Legend Power Systems Inc

XTSX:LPS

Earnings Call Transcript 2023-Q1

[Operator]

Good morning. My name is Julie, and I will be your conference moderator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Legend Power Systems Q1 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Legend Power. You may begin your conference.

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Thank you. Welcome to Legend Power fiscal 2023 Q1 Investor Call. I'm Randall Buchamer, Legends' Chief Executive Officer. We're pleased to have you join us on the call today to discuss our corporate progress and financial results for the first quarter of fiscal 2023, which were the 3 months that ended December 31, 2022. Please note that certain statements in this call may be forward-looking in nature. These include statements involving known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from their expressed or implied in our forward-looking statements. For more information about Legend's forward-looking statements and risk factors, please see our MD&A, which was filed on SEDAR today under our company profile at sedar.com. I'm joined by Florence Tan, our CFO; Paul Moffat, our COO; Mark Petersen, VP of Engineering; and Mike Cioce, Sales and Marketing. Florence will provide a financial update and overview of Q1. Paul Moffat will update you on the key initiatives we have taken to address the core challenges we discussed during our last quarterly call. Mark Peterson will discuss how our new presales analysis and power impact report process is working and how well Gen3 is performing in the marketplace. Mike Cioce reported on the significant sales movement made over the last quarter and how positive the sales efforts continue to be. Our business is growing, and we're making significant progress. Gen3 is exceeding performance expectations and customer feedback is very positive. We have successfully made the shift from selling a product to implementing a collaborative consultative sales process, which provides our prostate with amazing visibility as to how effectively and efficiently their buildings are or are not operating. We clearly see our consolidated sales approach with insights and the power impact report, strongly resonating with our prospects and customers. We'd love to name some of the companies that we have either secured business with for and achieved significant progress with but due to confidentiality agreements, we cannot. I trust and hope that you've been able to mise based on the recent press releases that we have secured and negotiating deployment schedules for several multi-million-dollar multiyear commitments. More detail on these wins were made on a regular basis, and Mike will talk about some of them too. Inbound prospect inquiries are growing based on referrals and awareness of how well Gen3 is performing in the marketplace. Our order visibility is strong and numerous company-making deals are being conducted as we speak. Individual order discussions now can exceed tens and millions of dollars and have multiyear deployment plans. We have over $4 million in working capital and over $2.1 million in cash. We have about $1.8 million in paid inventory and work in progress, which creates about $3 million in additional cash contribution when shipped and collected. During last quarter's call, we discussed our key improvement areas, and Paul will provide details on what steps we've taken to ensure we achieve our improvement objectives. Just as a reminder, the key improvement areas, Calvin will continue to be to manage their cash and reduce operating costs. We've made recent reduction in costs over the last month or so. Improve our cash flow and particularly our cash collection times, cost of goods and supply chain challenges. Margin improvement is ongoing. Paul will talk about how we've implemented additional methods to improve our margins, and we see visibility on getting back to historical margins over the next while. Managing our installation costs and leading the quoting process improvements will also be discussed. On that note, Florence, if you please would provide the financial highlights for the quarter.

[Florence Tan, executive]

Thank you, Randy. So during this quarter, revenue recognized was $403,000 compared to $169,000 in Q1 FY '22, and Revenue recognized was based on 2 smart gate systems delivered and 3 completed installation compared to 2 systems delivered and no installations in the prior year. Sales and installation pipelines as well as sales bookings backlog are both healthy and we will see the transition of these revenue recognition over the coming months. Gross margin in the first quarter of fiscal '23 was 25% compared to 22% in Q1 FY '22. Given the company had taken action last year by increasing sales prices, we've seen a moderate increase in margin. We continue to closely monitor the inventory component pricing and supplier order fulfillment lead time to appropriately plan the scaling of legend sales. The company ended the quarter with $2.06 million in cash, no debt and $4.25 million in working capital. With this working capital, we continue to proactively focus on the items critical to attaining our growth projections, and we will continue to frequently manage our capital resources as we always have and squeeze the most out of every dollar provided by our shareholders. We're excited with what this new year will bring and are very optimistic about the future. Thank you. And now over to Paul Moffitt, Legend's COO.

[Paul Moffat, executive]

Thanks, Florence, and good morning, everyone. And as I reported last quarter, our business management system continues to evolve and improve, leading to our second quarterly operations and KPI review meeting next week. I'm seeing both improvement and predictability in sales order and production planning as well as a lot of turnaround time improvement in our installation and commissioning processes. On-time delivery has also improved, which in turn achieves the installation dates desired and targeted by our customers and speeds the time to customer benefit and to our income and cash. Again, our continuous improvement is certainly a journey, but we're now all fully committed and engaged and I only see improvement from here on. In addition to positive changes now realized in our customer payment terms, our delivery -- our improved delivery and turnaround times have shortened our cash cycle, again, strengthening our cash flow. Our evolved sales order process increases internal visibility and get everyone on the same page. And it really ensures all the critical requirements of those deals are met before committing the company's cash and resources. This process works with the end in mind. So we're targeting all of our customer installation dates and all internal processes that strive toward those dates. So a seemingly simple step, it aligns all of our efforts to one goal and improves overall lead times dramatically, and it's another win for our cash flow. We are still seeing supplier price increases, and there was 2 or 3 of them in the last quarter. But we have realized, as you've seen from Florence's update, a small margin improvement, largely due to implementation of our new price model. we will definitely see further improvement as there's been great strides on installation cost reduction and component cost initiatives. In fact, many of the deals we're signing now include these gains. As part of our efforts to increase capacity, a large portion of our subassembly is the simple ones, but those that really require significant workload overall are being put out to tender with our incumbent plus 3 other competitors, one of which is a candidate for system assembly and test. In addition, we are investigating near and offshore manufacturing as a primary source of capacity in the mid- to long term. Coupled with increasing our internal capacity this year, this dual outsourcing strategy will provide growth capacity, flexibility and delivery and cost alternatives. Combined, these efforts reduced our cost of goods sold while ensuring capacity does not constrain growing demand. At the same time, Legends is balancing the need for long lead time components, as I've discussed before. Although supply chains are improving somewhat as opposed to capacity, they will ultimately gate deliveries for the near future. We've now had a second U.S. contractor size installation for a large multi-residential smart gate opportunity, and we'll see those results in March, and we expect a significant improvement in installation costs as the contractor rates are much lower, but more importantly, our standard cost model has been deployed. Our installation partners are quickly realizing the win-win opportunity of getting in early with our insights meter installations than capitalizing on the volume of installations that will follow. Long lead time materials continue to arrive in support of our Gen3 backlog. We will be shipping a handful of systems over the coming weeks, and we have over the past several weeks and a set of 10 shortly after. Although supply chain is improving somewhat, we'd not be in this situation without the long lead time orders that we placed previously for critical components. Engineering development continues at a strong pace with functionality that will support both customer features and deployment optimization, all within our current Gen3 hardware platform. I'm excited to see these developments being tested and released now on our factory floor. And I know they will further improve operations down the road. I'm thrilled to see continuous improvement on all fronts and efforts to reduce costs, improve turnaround times and plan for business growth and flexibility, and I'm very excited by what I see ahead of all of us. Thank you. I'll now pass you over to Mark Peterson, our VP of Engineering.

[Mark Petersen, executive]

Thanks, Paul. I just want to speak briefly and provide an update about our customers' experience in deploying Gen3 and how we present the SmartGATE in the market. I want to start really with what has changed. Approximately a year ago, we spoke on some of these calls about validating our new approach and how historically we've presented a product to our customers that offered energy savings and was inherently somewhat one-dimensional. We knew we needed to increase our offering and value that the customers saw from us. And to that end, we created the Gen3 system and developed the technology to build upon our early success based in energy efficiency. And really with the goal of driving value from multiple angles with our customers, the technical advances we brought to the marketplace with Gen3 was really key to this new approach. The new features that we brought allowed us to define the active power management category, which we're absolutely a leader in and bring value to the customer from multiple angles, like I said, including energy, data aspects as well as power quality and really was a significant expansion to our offering. So a key aspect of that is this data-driven approach, and Randy mentioned this briefly, it's centered around a customized report on the power quality and current state of a facility that we use to identify and quantify the opportunity with every customer we look at in each of their buildings. Our Insight system and the analysis that's included with it that details the opportunity around their existing power quality is really a key component of our customer journey and is very central to our sales process and we spoke about this in the past, but this is a huge shift in how we presented the technology to customers and was one of the last remaining points that we felt that we really needed to validate our selling model. Why I wanted to speak with you today was just to emphasize with dozens of Gen3 systems now successfully deployed. We're closing a loop with our customers and the results and feedback on this front has been absolutely fantastic. We're seeing great results, both in terms of the alignment of the energy savings we're able to provide. But really, the new feedback is that the reliability and improvements they're seeing lifetime of equipment is having a meaningful impact on their facilities and their business. One particular example comes to mind that last week, we were speaking with a large multifamily property management company and long-time Legend Power customer. And during the project wrap-up meeting, they spoke to us about the tremendous value they see in deploying smart systems in their facilities. And they specifically referenced that our new data-driven reports that are generated from the Insight system, including the Power Quality report, both the pre and post SmartGATE was absolutely a key factor in their decision to continue to deploy Legend SmartGATE systems in the facilities and to look for further opportunities to deploy more SmartGATE throughout their portfolio. Really for us, I think this is the best feedback we can have. The customer's voice is always one we're trying to channel and follow up on. And for me, it just really put the exclamation point on the results we're seeing with our customers and in the market today. So I just wanted to share that, and I'll pass it over to Mike to talk -- provide an update on his end.

[Mike Cioce, executive]

Thanks, Mark. Appreciate that. And again, as Mark had mentioned, business is good. Things are very good, and it's getting better and better quarter-by-quarter. Orders are coming in, both large orders as well as some smaller orders. Our new payment terms are working out great, and it's resulting in more cash coming in earlier. And the systems that are being deployed are generating phenomenal results, as Mark had mentioned, and those results are driving even more results. For example, we were delivering the SmartGATE performance results for the largest order in our company's history. And the customers saw that not only did we exceed their energy savings expectations of 5%, but what they also saw was a dramatic decrease in maintenance repair costs that was saving them even more than they originally thought that they would. In fact, a very senior executive that not only did we exceed the ROI expectations, but the buildings just run better, and that's better for the people that depend on them, tenants, employees as well as investors. Those results right there prompted them to buy 10 more systems on the spot. And what's exciting is that this is not a one-off, another customer that have purchased a double-digit number of systems had the same reaction. Again, after seeing the energy savings being exceeded, they indicated that in the first few months of operating, they had already seen the entire first year's anticipated maintenance repair savings, stating that they had and how to replace a control board since they -- since the systems were installed. And that had been a monthly occurrence for them in the past. In this one category alone is saving them tens of thousands of dollars per year. Again, on the spot saying that they want more and identified another 10 buildings immediately. So these are examples of how the active power management approach is driving results for our customers and for Legend as a whole. And again, as we said before, that success continues to drive more success. As a result of that, we are now working with 4 new multifamily customers that are larger than either of these organizations based on the results that we're generating. When we combine this success with the success of the New York City systems and the hundreds of schools and other buildings they are electrifying, the opportunity there is for hundreds of systems over the coming years. These successes are continuing to drive results in other areas as well. One of our largest retail customers with a double-digit number of SmartGATES, is looking to expand deployments not only across North America, but other markets as well. And this one opportunity alone represents over $20 million in new pipeline with them alone. And another example of our success with our systems generating more success. We had a prospect that was somewhat skeptical for years. And once they heard about the results within the city, they actually did a 180 and asked us to assess over 20 million square feet of Class A office space in Manhattan for one of the most well-respected names in commercial real estate. So with that said alone, we are currently assessing over 75 million square feet of commercial office space in New York alone, again, representing opportunities for hundreds of SmartGATES. And we continue to be written into new ESCO deals and have more and more partners and resellers engaging every quarter. The results we are generating is helping to drive momentum with resellers across the board. So this trend is accelerating sales. It's resulting in portfolio-wide deployment planning results in the pipeline of hundreds and hundreds of markets. So at the end of the day that the orders are rolling in, both big and small, great results from the latest generation of systems being deployed, the largest pipeline we've ever seen and resellers growing, the future for Legend is brighter than ever. With that said, I'll pass it back to Randy.

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Thank you, Florence. Thank you, Mark. Paul and Mike. Hopefully, you're getting the message that we're very excited about the business and our progress. We've all been working hard for years to establish Legend Power Systems as a solution that is critical for business improvement tools and not just an energy saving solution. Alternate and energy growth and the increased problems with the grid and sure that Legend solutions have a huge marketplace, and that discontinues quarter-by-quarter. And there's a continued massive shift of corporate effort to climate environmental initiatives becoming top corporate objectives. And the world is seriously committed to take steps to positively impact climate change. In all of our markets, we see consistent and systemic change to make buildings less harmful to the environment, combined with improving efficiencies, reducing costs and making a better tenant experience.The U.S. government is committed to making it easier for corporations to adopt electrical energy saving technologies for commercial buildings and they continue to induce programs that support Legend solutions. To be clear, we are discussing numerous $10 million deals or greater and several have been secured and some are in the deployment planning state. Clearly, we are seeing the world looking for products like Legend SmartGATE active power management platform, and we're poised for significant growth. All of us have much to look forward to, and we expect to see continued confirmation that the time is now for Legend Power and our solutions. On that note, we would be delighted to take questions that you may have.

[Operator]

[OPerator Instructions] Your first question comes from Bill Chapman from Investor.

[Bill Chapman, analyst]

Randy, I was curious on the green proving ground. When do you anticipate you'll get the results from this.

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Well, we will be putting in systems over the May, June, [indiscernible] those will operate for 60, 90 days. And we'll sit down and look at with that. I mean that, to be clear, is a deployment plan strategy. We're not looking for results to prove the system works and looking to decide the deployment plan and schedule to the deploy with the equipment. So we're pretty excited about that.

[Bill Chapman, analyst]

Okay. Good. But let me ask you, too. You mentioned in several press releases ESCO in this press release on August call. You had 50-plus ESCOs or resellers interested in partnerships. Where are you at on -- can you tell us how many have actually engaged in a former relationship with you?

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Yes. I'm going to let Mike take that because he deals actively with them, and he can share some of his insight on that.

[Mike Cioce, executive]

Yes. We are currently actively writing business with 12 organizations, and we have another 6 that are actively under NDA and reviewing our partnership agreement.

[Bill Chapman, analyst]

Okay. Good. And last question. Your prior the Q4, you mentioned you had a $15 million objective in '23 for revenues. And now this press release said you anticipate that you'd be equal to your -- or exceed the target. Is that still what your target is $15 million in revenues in '23?

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Yes, it is, Bill. We've obviously fulfilling with the things we have and the timing of where the deals are that will be exceeded. That's the hope, but our stated goal is $15 million in booked business.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Jeff Cowel, private investor.

[Jeff Cowel, analyst]

Thanks for that update. I appreciate it. I've got a few questions for you. Randy, you mentioned a couple of things between the press release and the MDA sort of the paraphrase here. You say targets set towards operational goals and then another section, you say something about sales bookings pipeline is healthy and in line to exceeded expectations. Would both those points refer back to what you just reiterated in regards to $15 million in bookings for 2023? Or can you expand a little bit on that?

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Yes. I think what we're seeing, Jeff, is visibility on in excess of the target of $15 million. It's all down to timing and what's booked by what year, et cetera. But we're seeing now in discussions and planning multimillion-dollar deals over a multiyear, so that significantly exceed that goal. So I'd say it's really a timing thing, but it's going to catch up where a bunch of these are going to hit. I do expect that we will exceed that in fiscal in booked business. And I think that we'll see some significant growth commitments that will be multiyear that we can count on. That will help Paul with his ordering supply of production, and we can really get things more systemic than ad hoc. So lots of good news on that side, as Mike was talking about.

[Jeff Cowel, analyst]

Do you think when you get a multiyear sort of commitment that you'll be able to be more expressive, not necessarily with the entity, but maybe with a multiyear sort of revenue forecast or do you feel like it's just going to come sort of when it comes and pieces and you won't be able to provide visibility on a multiyear basis for one particular customer.

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Yes. It's probably just all of the above. I think what we're seeing now is we had some press releases that if you read them carefully, although some of them did mention names, we, for example, DCAS had their own press release and on their own website, talked about $4.5 billion budget for electrification of schools. And we put a release out without names, suggesting that we had a commitment to be spec in as a standard offering on new facilities. We know there's over 110 of those planned over the next 3 years. So we're starting to -- our best way that we can dispel and share some of the good news with the marketplace that's the first answer I would give. Secondly is what you're going to start seeing is either names or without a name, talking about a commitment for the calendar or fiscal year, but also mention that there is further business in multiyears because what we're finding is when you're doing -- if you're doing 100 buildings, et cetera, people aren't doing that in 3 months. It's not the way the business works. People shut the buildings down. They have particular times each year where they shut buildings down and do maintenance work and put a new switch gear or whatever they might do. So we get pretty well on a scheduled basis and also with electric contractor resources when they can do things. So we can schedule out quite well, and I think we can communicate on that basis yet. I think what happens is we get the pipeline -- it's been growing significantly. But as we can communicate progress on that, I think what shareholders will understand is that we do have a significant flow of orders. And probably, I think people were able to figure out pretty clearly it's multiyear and the deals are a significant size. So the answer is still but what I said at the beginning, it's all the things you mentioned. It just depends on the customer and the market and the commitment.

[Jeff Cowel, analyst]

One more for me for now. Can you update us on your cash and working capital position since the end of December?

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Yes. We did on the call. We have about 2.1 net cash as we speak, about $4 million in working capital about $1.8 million in paid inventory. It's about $1.4 million in inventory. It's about $250 million in work in process and about $130 million in subassembly ready to go. So that $1.8 million inventory at a 40% markup, which is what we're going out the door as of -- on a go-forward basis, creates about $3 million of additional cash contribution without any liability or payable against it. We only have about 90,000 to 100,000 in payables.

[Jeff Cowel, analyst]

So based on your cash and working capital, Randy, how do you view your capital requirements moving forward? And in particular, I mean, I know it's kind of a boilerplate statement, but in the MDA, there is a -- in Paragraph 2, there's -- on Page 13 that says something to the effect that you will need to raise additional capital. Can you comment a little bit about that? And usually when investors see that, they assume that it's going to be equity, but I would hope that, in your case, that may be that that is a possibility here on the strength of these entities that are giving you these POs.

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Yes. Well, I guess there's a few questions there. Firstly, is that we don't have any debt currently. And the question about Page 13 on the MDA about raising money. At some point, we'll have to do that for the growth we have. We're going to have very quickly carrying tens of millions of dollars of work in process and receivables, et cetera. And we currently don't have the balance sheet for that. However, what we have done, if you look back several months, our 2 quarterly calls ago, we said that we were going to more effectively communicate our progress to the market. So the market would appreciate and we believe we would have an appreciation in our valuation, our currency. So we've seen sort of $0.15, pushing $0.40 so there's been some good progress there. If we had taken money, for example, at $0.15, it would have been far more cost than if we were doing that today, which we're not. So what is our goal? Our goal is we can use instruments like the government has some different programs. We haven't been successful with those to date, but we are in dialogue with it. There are banks that will factor paper with the significant names of the clients we're dealing with, that will factor the paper for you. There's different alternatives available to us that we are looking at now. One of the huge changes we've had right before the end of the quarter, we had bookings of a little over $1 million in the last week of Christmas and that came with about $350 million of cash upfront on the 25% with order. So Jeff, it doesn't take much for a couple of these orders we have to secure the 25% down with the order, and we have significant upfront cash. That pushes out the question about working capital. But the goal as a CEO that I have is not to dilute shareholders it's to create the currency that we have additional value and at the appropriate time when it makes sense and it works for the organization and shareholders is to increase the capital base. But there's no plan at this point to do that in any immediate basis. And we will continue to manage our cash as we have. And the last thing I'd say, Jeff, is we took this approach, I think, now 5 quarters ago, we made the call that we felt the market would be more difficult. We were going to reduce our costs. We took $1 million out. We've continued to do that, increase margins, reduce our staffing and we took out another $15,000 a month last month in costs. So we'll continue to watch the costs. We'll continue to get more cash contribution on the inventories, it goes out the door since it's 1.8 in prepaid. [Indiscernible] is $3 million in cash when it comes in. We'll continue to use alternative methods to factor paper that are available in coal vehicles. And it's not our plan in the immediate future to do anything that would be dilutive to the organization. Jeff Thanks for your support.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Rob Weir from GabrataCappt.

[Rob Weir, analyst]

Yes. Thanks. Warta Capital. Guys, I appreciate your comments around the macro. The decarbonization is very enticing and your customer base obviously has a mandate to execute on this. And I guess, I've monitored these developments for 18 to 24 months. And I'm just trying to reconcile the Q1 '23 results with 2 Shift 3 installed with the revenue guidance and talking towards hundreds, if not thousands, being sold. And I just can't get my or I can't reconcile the quarter with the operating highlights section, coupled with your comments on the call. It just -- it seems like the longest sales cycle in history. So I'm just wondering like why does it take so long for these various customers, the various resellers to actually sign on the dotted line.

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Yes. Thanks, Rob. There's a couple of different avenues there on the ESCO side or partner side and the direct side. So let me break it into 2 pieces or 2 components. I'll start with the direct side. The deployment of our product, the sales cycle is longer than a lot of different products. It's not something like we -- you order a calculator or a phone on Friday and you get it Friday night. So we get commitments from people that are looking for a year out. They perhaps may not have budget until 2024, but they'll give us a commitment to proceed. They may not have a shutdown period for equipment to go in, so it can't be rev rec and significantly over the last year. I mean one thing I did was I ordered a boat 19 months before I got it, and it was waiting for electronic components for 7 months, and I got it last year at the end of the summer in November, which is really appreciated. So we're seeing that in the marketplace. It's the same with us. I mean control logic boards, things like that. I used the analogy in the Board meeting yesterday. It's like having 100 cars ready to be sold, Rob, but you don't have breaks and you don't have a spring wheel, everything is held up until you can do that. Also, we have very strict rev rec parameters that we must meet. And until we complete all those, the rev rec isn't appreciated. So it's going to catch up. You're going to see a little bit of a snowball as you see a lot of these systems get delivered. We've said in the fiscal when we started out that the number of rev rec will be small but the order backlog and growth will be significant. And I don't see that changing for 12 to 18 months. The second part of your question is the ESCOs a lot of times what they'll do is they'll write deals and Mike can back more detail on this, but they'll put a proposal in as an offering with other competitors to a client to look after their buildings and provide energy management services and products. Once they secure or the client says, you're our chosen partner the ESCO or partner has to tighten up the offer and go to a stage where they commit to exact dollars and things rather than more directional. That process could take 18 to 24 months. And then the answer was deployment of profits [indiscernible]. So on that premise, what you're going to see is business drop in because we've gone through that process with the ESCOs and partners. And it does take the time. It's kind of like a big bulge in the hole, but the only way you get around that is you get a lot of business going and then it continues to drop in. So hopefully, it answers a little bit of the answer to your question. It's a little bit with supply and supply chain delays on specific components and being able to rec rec our revenue. It's the sales cycle. It's also the time that our partners take on large deals because remember, we're a small component. Some of these ESCO deals are hundreds of millions of dollars over 10, 15, 20 years. We're a small component, and we are at the premise that our product goes out when they've got a secure deal. Is there anything else you'd add on that, Mike or have I covered that.

[Mike Cioce, executive]

No, Randy, you hit the nail on the head. Again, just with the cycles of the ESCO market and the performance contracting market, as Randy said, after a vendor selection is made, then we have a very -- they have a very robust third-party energy analysis where they go through and they validate everything. And then once that's done, then they move into funding. And then once funding is done, they move into contract and then they actually move into execution. So those -- the ESCO deals definitely have a tail on them. And again, what you're looking at when you see our rev rec numbers are exactly that, our revenues based on [indiscernible] said a revicpolicy. So Randy nailed.

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

I would add one other thing, Rob, to your question is because we're starting to see the significant size of orders, what will catch up soon during the year and going into 2024 will be more -- will be much more clear on backlog and timing to cash and orders, better visibility because we are in the process of developing the deployment plans. I mean the City of New York is a perfect example where they announced $4.5 billion to electrify the schools, just the schools, and they're doing that between now and 2030. So as that gets more definitive for us, we can share that to the marketplace. And I think you'll see that roll into more predictable rev rec because we can predict the install dates and things like that. So hopefully, we're getting through the ugly period, but that's how I'd answer the question, Rob.

[Operator]

Presenters, there are no further questions at this time. Please proceed with your closing remarks.

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Just want to give it the last chance. If anybody has a question, maybe just give it 15 seconds, if there is a question. No questions Operator?

[Operator]

There are no questions at this time.

[Randall Buchamer, executive]

Great. Well, listen, we appreciate everyone's time. We've got a committed and talented team, and we're getting stronger. We've got, we believe, an absolutely outstanding active power management platform. We all know that the markets have high energy costs, they have power challenges, there's ESG and climate change objectives and our partners and our customers and our prospects are seeking innovative ways to reduce their energy costs, but also improve the quality of their buildings' energy. We believe the future looks very good for Legend Power and our stakeholders. We're very excited about the progress we've made. And we think as more and more we can share the progress with you, you'll be very excited about the progress of the business. We believe the time is now for Legend, and we want to wish everyone a fantastic 2023, and thank you for your support and everyone, have a great legendary day.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.