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Earnings Call Transcript
2023-Q2

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Sebastian Rudolph
executive

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our press call on the half year figures of Porsche AG. This is Sebastian, and with me are Oliver and Lutz. Already mentioned, glad to have you here and glad to have you all on the call.

Today, we would like to give you a brief insight to our business performance so far this year. Oli will start with a quick look at the most recent developments, the challenges that we are currently facing. Afterwards, Lutz will explain our figures for the first half year to you in detail, and he will also give you an outlook for the second half of the year. After that, we will be happy to take any questions.

And with this introduction, the floor is yours, Oliver.

Oliver Blume
executive

Yes. Thank you very much, Sebastian. Good morning and welcome, everyone, also from my side. Thank you for being with us today. As you all know, we are celebrating 75 years of Porsche sports cars this year. And we continue to inspire our customers, not only with the current product lineup, but also with exciting new additions.

The past quarter saw the launch of the new Cayenne. Furthermore, we successfully held our first Annual General Meeting since the IPO only a few weeks ago. However, the global economic situation remains challenging with an impact on us, too, of course. But we can also say we are showing a very solid performance under these difficult and challenging conditions.

Financial results turned out accordingly. Group revenue in the first half year was EUR 20.4 billion. This is an increase of 14% compared to the previous year. Group operating profit was EUR 3.9 billion. This is an increase of 11%, reflecting higher group sales with a stable price penetration but also the challenges from the supply chain. Group operating return on sales in the first half of this year was 18.9% and 19.5% in the second quarter. Lutz will give you more details on the financials later.

Given the economic situation and the ongoing supply chain challenges, these are strong results that give us a strong foundation for the full year. We are, therefore, confirming our full year 2023 outlook statements. At the same time, we're expecting the macroeconomic and supply chain challenges to persist in the second half of the year.

Our deliveries on customers in the first 6 months of 2023 were up by 15% compared to the previous year despite model cycle changes and ongoing supply restrictions. This is a very pleasing result so far. We posted gains in every sales region, which is proof that our products are in a high demand around the world. We are benefiting from a well-balanced share between the regions: 25% in North America; 32% in Europe; 26% in China; and 17% in overseas.

The launch of the new Cayenne has been very satisfying so far. We have posted over [ 330,000 ] orders since its presentation in April, even though the car has not even reached the showrooms of our worldwide auto centers yet. And the order mix demonstrates that our customers are making good use of the opportunity to individualize their vehicles. Deliveries to customers have started in several markets. Introduction to China is planned for September.

We are benefiting from a recovery of the supply chain for our commodities, chips and commodity parts. Major challenges remain in terms of availability and price inflation for many of the components that are differentiating our product and parts that are in high demand from our customers. Therefore, we still have to be very flexible in our day-to-day business and production planning. This is reflected accordingly in waiting times, unit sales and costs, and we expect these challenges to persist in the future.

Once again, to be clear, it's about the special parts that are differentiating our products, not the commodity side of the supply chain. Regardless of these challenges, we keep investing extensively in our development, in innovations and in our Porsche ecosystem so that we can continue to offer our customers the products and services they expect from us.

We have taken the next step in the way to tailor-made high-performance battery sales. Since May, we have been the sole shareholder of Cellforce Group. The aim is to scale up the cell manufacturing process in the medium term, if necessary, also at other locations. And we are prepared for the entry of new investors.

So let me summarize. The situation is challenging, but we have a clear plan for the future of Porsche, and we keep putting it into action consistently. For further details, I now hand over to Lutz Meschke.

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes. Thank you, Oli. Good morning, and welcome also from my side, everyone. In the next couple of minutes, I will share the major milestones we've achieved in the first half of 2023 with you. Overall demand for personalized, well-equipped Porsche cars remain satisfying and cancellations are low. This is reflected in the number and the mix of incoming customer orders in the first half of the year.

Unchanged, the 911 has the largest order book, strong mix and longest waiting time around the year and average across all derivatives. In the first 2 quarters of 2023, we posted very satisfying wholesales and deliveries to customers. This success is a great team accomplishment of procurement, production and sales. All of them are dealing with significant challenges on a continuous basis.

Deliveries to customers increased by 15%. Germany, Europe, as well as the area overseas and emerging markets are growing over proportionately, making our regional mix more balanced. The sales increase was led by all product lines at Taycan, where we continuously face significant supply disruptions.

In consequence, the BEV share was 10.8% in the first half year. From now on, we expect Taycan sales to benefit from improving parts availability and higher supply. However, achieving our BEV target of more than 12% for 2023 will be challenging.

The first half of 2023, at the group level, we achieved a revenue of EUR 20.4 billion. This represents an increase of 14% compared to the same period last year and is mainly due to higher group sales with a stable price penetration. The group operating profit increased by EUR 372 million to EUR 3.9 billion in the first half of 2023. This translated into an operating return on sales of 18.9%.

In the first half, we had to digest higher costs compared to last year, resulting from an inflationary environment as well as intensified sales activities, digitalization and increased motor sport engagement. The earnings per preferred share amounted to EUR 3.04.

At EUR 3.7 billion, the Automotive segment's operating profit in the first half of 2023 exceeded the prior year figure by EUR 392 million. This accomplishment was a result of higher sales with stable pricing and continued beneficial product mix, slightly offset by higher costs as well as spending and investments into our product and innovation portfolio.

With automotive sales revenue of EUR 18.9 billion, the operating return on sales for automotive was 19.3%. Automotive EBITDA rose by EUR 488 million to EUR 4.8 billion, corresponding to an Automotive EBITDA margin of 25.6%. For the first 6 months, we were able to produce more vehicles than in the same period of last year.

In this context, let me comment on our balance sheet and the increase in inventories and finished cars. At Porsche, this is a normal course of business as our production shuts down for the summer holidays. Furthermore, the vehicles and transfer of the new Cayenne to our dealers also had an impact.

Despite our high level of investment activity into product, innovation, plants and our ecosystem, we achieved a net cash flow in our automotive business of EUR 2.2 billion in the first half of 2023. The net cash flow margin for automotive was 11.7%. Please note that we also had seasonally higher cash outflows in the second quarter for bonus payments and a pro rata delayed tax payment in addition to the increased inventory and investments.

Revenue from the Financial Services segment increased to EUR 1.7 billion. The operating profit in the Financial Services segment amounted to EUR 174 million in the first half of 2023. The result was impacted by a valuation of interest rate hedges and derivatives outside of hedge accounting. This is a part of regular refinancing activities. Financial Services penetration in the first 6 months was 40.8%, which was more than 200 basis points lower than at the end of 2022. This development reflects that we pass on the market terms in our offers.

As of June 30, our automotive net liquidity decreased by EUR 1.9 billion to EUR 6.4 billion compared to the end of the fiscal year. This is a result of the positive contribution of net cash flow and, on the other hand, of the cash outflow of the last payment in context of the profit and loss agreement and domination agreement with VW, which were terminated in the meantime.

Investing in product innovation to better serve our customers is one of our key priorities. Thus, in the first half of 2023, we spent EUR 1.5 billion on research and development, 18% more compared to last year. Most R&D expenses in the reporting period were due to the conversion of the product range towards electromobility. The R&D ratio was 8.2%.

Own work capitalized amounted to EUR 1.2 billion in the first 6 months of 2023. The increase is due to the rising expenditure for ongoing projects, which are close to being ready for series production. Depreciation and amortization of capitalized development costs amounted to EUR 427 million.

Let's move on to the outlook for 2023. Porsche AG Group continues to be confronted with a challenging macroeconomic environment, challenges in securing supply chains and parts supply as well as generally rising cost levels and various geopolitical tensions. At the same time, the Porsche AG Group is investing extensively in its development, innovations and the entire Porsche ecosystem of future products and services.

Despite a challenging overall global situation, the Porsche AG Group confirms its forecast for the full year 2023, published in the combined management report also regarding the conditions, provided that the global and supply situation does not deteriorate significantly. Based on these above-mentioned assumptions, the Porsche AG Group expects an operating return on sales for 2023 in the range of 17% to 19%. This forecast includes assumed group sales revenues in the corridor of around EUR 40 billion to EUR 42 billion.

Our forecast for the Automotive segment is a net cash flow margin between 10% and 12% and an Automotive EBITDA margin between 25% and 27%. As part of the 2023 sales forecast, the company expects fully electrified vehicles to account for up to 12% to 14% of total new vehicles delivered to customers. However, this target requires a far better supply situation for Taycan in the second half of 2023.

Thank you very much for your attention. We are very much looking forward to answering your questions now.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Sebastian Rudolph
executive

Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, we have now about 30 minutes, and we'll start right away into the questions. And we start with [ F-Assets ], [ Christian Miskins ], please.

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Unknown Analyst

I hope you can hear me. I have 2 questions. You talked a lot about the macroeconomic environment. And the question is, we've seen quite some effects in the volume segment of the Volkswagen Group. Do you see orders go down in the Porsche business, too? Or do you see -- do you see effects on your order income from the economics -- from the economic situation?

And the second is you have ongoing problems with differentiating parts in the supply chain. Could you please give some examples? What were those differentiating parts that you are -- that you don't have enough from? I guess it's mainly about the Taycan.

Oliver Blume
executive

Okay, [ Christian Miskins ]. And may I start with the macroeconomic situation, and that's different in between the regions. In short term, especially in Europe, we see a slowed down growth dynamic. And when we look to China, China is still very volatile. And the recovery of the market isn't still there, as expected.

And so we are balancing in between our regions. And the positive aspect of Porsche is that our business is based on 4 pillars: in North America, Europe, China and overseas. We were able to develop our market regions during the last 10 years to strengthen China and overseas, and this gives us a well-balanced situation.

To your second question, it's about differentiating parts. Especially when it comes to the Taycan, we have, for example, the high-voltage heater is one of these components. But also, when it comes to very special items from small suppliers, there, we come to a limit because of the high demand of our specialized light cars. And there are several parts of this. But mainly important for us, especially in the ramp-up of electrification, is a high-voltage heater.

Sebastian Rudolph
executive

Okay. Then we go to Reuters, Victoria Waldersee, please. Now, we can hear you.

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Victoria Waldersee

Sorry. I was just saying because you expand on your plan for Cellforce, you said you were looking for new investors. What kind of investors are you looking for? And what kind of time line are you expecting there? And is it correct that you took over as sole shareholder in mid-May?

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes. Thank you for these questions, Ms. Waldersee. Yes, we have a clear plan for the Cellforce Group in the upcoming years. We want to accelerate towards [ Reutlingen ] factory. We plan capacity for 10 to 20 gigawatts in the upcoming years. And therefore, we are looking for strategic and finance investors in order to support our strategy in this direction.

We have to take into account that 20 gigawatts factory will require an investment between EUR 2 billion and EUR 3 billion. And therefore, it's necessary to have strong partners onboard. We are in very good and promising talks with finance and strategic investors with regard to this development. And we are quite confident that we can give you further details at the end of this year.

Oliver Blume
executive

And adding, for example, to the location criteria. When we will go there, it will be very important for us, for example, the energy pricing. And now, currently, we have very positive experiences from North America, and it will be important.

We are sticking to Germany. Very clearly, most of our cars are produced in Germany. Most of our people work in Germany. And we invested for a 1.3-gigawatt hours factory in Baden-Wuerttemberg. But for location, it is important to have a positive calculation for all our factory.

And so energy cost play a role in North America. We see good efforts with tax credits, for example, low bureaucracy in the decision processes and so that will be important for our decision process. Where we will locate it in future, this factory, isn't decided yet, but it's a competition in between the different locations.

Lutz Meschke
executive

We will have a beauty contest between the European countries and the U.S. and maybe also Canada. And at the end, it's very important to get very promising energy cost guaranteed. A difference of EUR 0.01 energy cost makes a difference in cost by EUR 100 million per year, and that's a very important argument for the location decision.

Sebastian Rudolph
executive

Now we go to dpa-AFX, Marco Engemann.

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Marco Engemann

In regards a possible guidance upgrade for the margin. As I understand, there are price increases that will really kick in, in the second half of the year. And in the first 6 months, you already have been at the upper end of the margin guidance. So will cost increases erase the effect from the higher prices in the second half? What's stopping you from upgrading the guidance?

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes, a very challenging macroeconomic environment. We mentioned it first of all, in China, the market is quite weak at this point in time. We have inflationary impacts due to the entire range of raw materials, components and so on. We see cost increases regarding [ pages ]. We will have the new labor tariff in place in Germany starting in June with the effect of 5.3%.

And of course, we still have supply issues. We have already mentioned the problems in the supply chain, for instance, with the high-voltage heater for the Taycan. And of course, we have to invest heavily in new models in our development and on our innovation process and in our entire ecosystem also around the car. And therefore, yes, we have to be careful with an adoption of our targets. And therefore, we feel quite confident with our corridor of 17% to 19% also for the entire year 2023.

Sebastian Rudolph
executive

Now we go to Bloomberg, Monica Raymunt.

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Monica Raymunt

Yes. I was wondering if you could provide a little more insight, first of all, on the supply chain issues, not just specifically on the Taycan, but also more broadly. And the bigger question sort of more broadly on the macroeconomic situation in Germany, if you could offer your insights into how you see the current economic climate, specifically in Germany.

Oliver Blume
executive

May I start, Monica, with the supply chain situation? As you know, we struggled heavily with the supply of semis during the last years. And there [indiscernible] we have a more stable situation right now. But we see still a lot of uncertainties also because of geopolitical crisis or economic crisis around the world.

And there's no week where we haven't no supply chain issue. And therefore, we have to be very flexible in terms of production planning. And I think we will see this situation also in the future. And therefore, we have a very close contact to our partners, but we have to be aware.

And especially as we mentioned before, in [ differentiating ] parts, where we have generally smaller partners or suppliers. And on the other side, having a high demand, and that's positive for Porsche. That our customers going more and more to individualization, what brings us to better profit margins. But on the other side, there, we talked about thousands or millions different parts we have to steer and, therefore, we need a high flexibility.

Coming to the second part of your question in terms of the German market. And we have had a very strong growth in Germany in terms of sales. But we are expecting a slowdown in the market. We already can mention it in the volume segment or, for example, we are convinced that the luxury market are less affected and more resilient against these economic downturns in general.

But we have to watch it deeply how the market will develop. There are inflation effect. And so we are still in a very strong situation, especially while we are positioned in the luxury market, but we have to be aware.

Lutz Meschke
executive

We have a very high order intake across our model lines in Germany, and therefore, we are very confident to reach our targets in Germany for the entire year 2023.

Sebastian Rudolph
executive

Now we go to [ this side ], [ Max Ziegler ]. Max, the floor is yours.

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Unknown Analyst

What could you say regarding the margin of best vehicles, especially the Taycan, compared to your traditional ICE cars, and the ongoing questions since years and what's the update?

The second question is, we have an ongoing discussion in Germany, especially in Germany about how to stimulate the demand of that. As you mentioned, the demand is in plan, but you have to be aware. But is there anything you suggest, or we would say how Germany, how the European Union could stimulate the market, the whole market at all?

And third short question, Lutz, you mentioned the effects of new labor regulation starting in June had some effects to Porsche. I didn't get this point. Probably please, could you repeat?

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes. Let me start with your first question regarding the margin of the Taycan compared to our combustion engine cars. As I have already mentioned in our last call, we still have a gap between combustion engine cars and the Taycan, but we expect to close the gap with our upcoming platform synergies.

And I already mentioned that we rely in the future when it comes to BEV transition just on 2 platforms, 1 for the 2 cars starting with the new e-718 then later on followed by the 911. And the other platform will be for all the older cars starting with the K1 and then also used by Cayenne, Panamera and also Taycan. And that will have a lot to generate synergies within the Porsche Group.

And we can also benefit from synergies with the VW brand. And that gives us huge potential in future to close the gap between combustion engine cars and so BEV cars. And we have, yes, a certain proof of concept in place with Taycan that our customers accept an even higher price premium for the BEV cars compared to the combustion engine cars. And it gives us the confidence that we will have a good approach also for the further transition towards electromobility.

Oliver Blume
executive

Max, maybe I will come to the second part of your question about stimulation of the BEV market. And let me approach from 2 sides. First of all, there are 3 criteria important for a strong BEV ramp-up. The first is the right product. It's our responsibility to excite our customers. And there, we have a very good feeling at Porsche with a very successful Taycan.

Now with upcoming Macan then the fully electric 718, a Cayenne, which is planned and a luxurious SUV in the upcoming years, then the charging infrastructure. And let's say, shared responsibility in between the automotive industry, energy suppliers, for example, the mineral industry, but also the communities to invest and build the charging infrastructure, especially in towns and cities.

There, I think we have to speed up heavily. We can see the positive example in China, where they invested during the last years very heavily and that you can mention in as a strong demand in the market last year, 25% of new sales this year are already 1/3.

And thirdly, renewable energy. The electrification only makes sense when you have the right energy mix. And there, I think we still have to invest heavily, especially in Germany and Europe. Second part is to support industrial investments in Germany, for example. With Swiss models like takes credits, we talked before about energy pricing and also the processes releasing projects. So the support can come from different sides. But from our side, important is charging infrastructure and supporting industrial investments.

Lutz Meschke
executive

Maybe one additional comment regarding a stimulus from the political side. I think it's absolutely necessary. If Germany wants to have a climate change -- a clear climate change, and it's necessary to change also the subsidy politics. We have to cut the subsidies for diesel, and we have to count on the electrified business.

That means we need to have a stimulus regarding the acquisition of BEV. And we have to support also green energy solutions. That means also our activities regarding [ e-fuels ] should be supported by a clear political support. And this is necessary. We have to mention it very often, otherwise, it will not work.

We still rely on subsidies for the old combustion engine cars, and it doesn't make sense if you want to have a change towards electrification, then you need also to change your politics regarding subsidies. It's not only an issue for Germany, but especially in Germany, we have to address it heavily.

And your third question regarding the labor tariff increase. We will see a labor tariff increase in June, or we have already seen it in June, started in June, by 5.2%. The unions agreed with the employees, this increase of 5.2%, due to the inflationary environment, and we will see a further increase in the first half of 2024 and the impact of the first increase is about EUR 100 million per year for Porsche.

Sebastian Rudolph
executive

I would close the list having 3 journalists on the agenda. So we start with Patricia Nilsson, then go to [ Lutz Meyer ] and finally close with [ Michael Gastar. ]

Patricia, Financial Times.

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Patricia Nilsson

Two quick ones. One, again, on being slightly difficult-to-reach BEV target this year. Can you give a little bit more detail as to what pertains to issues in the supply chain and lack of parts? And what are you seeing in terms of demand for these vehicles? Is that also dropping?

And the second question is on the -- your battery company. And I am wondering what is the future potential synergies between [ PowerCup ] and your own battery company? And are you not bubbling up a little bit there?

Oliver Blume
executive

Got it. As you know, the Taycan is very successful in the market, and we are still in a strong, strong, strong demand. And we are struggling still with supply chain issues, as I mentioned before. For example, the high-voltage feature. And so our expectation is to be in between 12% and 13% BEV this year. Currently, we are in a situation of 11% BEV and 11% tuck-in hybrids. So in total, it's 22% electrified [ battery ] cost.

And then for the next years with a very strong product offensive with Macan, 718, Cayenne and the luxury SUV. Our ramp-up curve is based on this product strategy. So it will lead us to our expectation to sell over 80% BEV by 2030. So for the upcoming months, everything depends a bit on the supply chain, but we think that we can achieve at the end. This range we have announced in between 12% and 14% BEV.

Lutz Meschke
executive

And regarding the battery cell development and production, yes, maybe I should take you a little bit on our strategy regarding battery cell development and production. We have a 3-pillar strategy for Porsche. We will rely in the future on [indiscernible] suppliers like LG or also [indiscernible] as we did in the past, and we have the possibility to work together with the Cellforce Group and put together just our core, sorry. And the other joint venture partners of the VW and for our performance cells, we will rely on our own development and production within the Cellforce Group.

That means we will have a wide range of battery cell production within the Porsche Group. And we will have synergies between the Cellforce Goup and the PowerCo when it comes to raw material sourcing. And also when it comes to the know-how regarding the industrialization that means the entire factory process.

It's very important to have a wide range of opportunities when it comes to battery cells since -- due to the heavy ramp-up towards electrification for all OEMs. We need to be very flexible in order to get the right capacity in place and we need this capacity within Porsche.

And therefore, our clear strategy to rely on external suppliers, to rely also on PowerCo, VW Group and to have our own Cellforce battery cell development production within the Porsche-owned Cellforce Group.

Oliver Blume
executive

In terms of raw material, we are benefiting from our industrial corporation. We do have with the Volkswagen Group when it comes, for example, to cobalt, lithium and nickel. There, you need a strong investments, which are able with the Volkswagen Group. And so we are sharing these raw materials together with them.

Sebastian Rudolph
executive

This the second to last question for [ Lutz Meyer ], [ Capital Group ].

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Unknown Analyst

It's a more general one, if I may, I'd like to ask you to elaborate a little bit on the luxury strategy and also on its development. As far as I understood, maybe 10 years ago, you would have heavily refused to be called luxury and even more the stated being performance as sports cars manufacturer. So how was it development and how it's developing currently?

Oliver just mentioned that the luxury market was less affected by economic slowdown than other markets. So maybe you can also give a little outlook on what you expect from the luxury market? And what does it mean for your product range and product [indiscernible] in general?

Oliver Blume
executive

Yes, Mr. [ Meyer ]. First of all, we are positioned -- in a unique positioning in the worldwide automotive market. On the one hand side, the very high pricing level like luxury niche manufacturers, on the other side, with scale effects in between our group by selling over 300,000 units or benefiting from the industrial corporation from Volkswagen.

And so it brings us in a very positive cost positioning, while we are able to get the pricing level as others in the luxury segment. And on the other side, building luxury strategy even more is to build our customer touch points, especially in big cities of the world, where we have special concept to get them where we have also digital concept.

And on the other side, what is very important, the level of [ individualization ] of our products, our special items we are offering. And there, we are expanding heavily, especially with our exclusive manufacturer. We do have inter-Porsche or a special program we call Sonderwunsch program where we fulfill every dream of our customers. And that brings us in this unique positioning in the luxury segment.

Lutz Meschke
executive

It's a very important aspect that luxury means not only having a luxurious product, it's also beyond the car. It's a customer experience beyond the car. We have to take with us the customer regarding their entire life journey. And as Oliver mentioned, it's important to offer unique experiences around the car, special customer events when it comes to cultural or sporty activities, for instance. Then we have to offer and we do offer the activities across all our Porsche experience centers that makes us unique. We are the only OEM which can offer this special experience.

And it's also very important to offer a digital product in the future, which delivers unique experiences. And also very important is the convenience regarding charging services beyond our activities within [indiscernible]. We decided to have our own fast charging infrastructure. Starting now in Germany, we see the first location. And that will give us -- will give our customers a completely luxurious experience also around the car.

And yes, it's important not just to count on the car itself. We have to improve the awareness for our brands and our brand stands for luxury activities in all different customer segments. And therefore, we have to invest heavily in this direction.

And you mentioned 10 years ago, Porsche internally, at least, was more a sports car manufacturing, down -- manufacturer very down to earth. But of course, our customers have seen Porsche always as a luxurious product and it's more an internal issue to develop all these activities and skills in this direction that we cover all the necessary segments in order to deliver the best experience for our customers.

And then to point -- and we are a luxury company, but it's not necessary to talk about this from our side. It's important that the customer has the perception that Porsche is luxury, and that's exactly the point. That's important.

Sebastian Rudolph
executive

The last question for this media call goes to [indiscernible], [ Mike Agasta ].

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Unknown Analyst

Yes, I have 2 questions concerning the electric Macan you're introducing next year. The first one is, are you still on schedule? And how confident are you to have a stable and running software when the car will hit the markets next year?

And the second one, it's the first model to really replace an ICE model, and there are more to come. So with BEV numbers slowing down, especially in Europe, and cost for batteries still remaining high, I mean, how long will be the ICE Macan run alongside the BEV? And do you have plans to extend the life cycle of the ICE Macan beyond your initial plans if customer demand is still high for this version of the car?

Oliver Blume
executive

Yes, Mr. [ Agasta ], 2 quick. Quick answers. First of all, we confirm the market introduction next year, and we are in the final testing phase, and I'm very patient being able to test the car especially as driving abilities and the infotainment we will offer, but we will bring the car to our customers when we are 100% clear that the car, in terms of quality, is perfect.

In terms of -- so lapping in between ICE and BEV, we are calculating between 2 years, depends on the regions. And that's our strategy for the future, having this flexibility for all the other new fully electric cars, where we'll have a [indiscernible] in between the existing ICE and the new BEV because the different regions of the world are developing with a different speed and therefore, we need the flexibility.

Sebastian Rudolph
executive

And with this, I say thank you to Oliver and Lutz and to all of you for asking your questions and the fruitful exchange. We will make a very short break and come back after you with my colleague, Björn Scheib, and the Investors Call. Thanks. Take care. Bye-bye.

[Break]

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome, and thank you for joining the analyst and investor call regarding the Porsche AG H1 2022 results. This call will be hosted by Oliver Blume, Chairman of the Board; and Lutz Meschke, Deputy Chairman and member of the Executive Board for Finance and IT. All materials such as the investor deck or interim report are available in the Investors section under the Porsche website.

Before we begin, let me remind you that all forward-looking statements to be made during today's call are subject to the risks and uncertainties mentioned in the safe harbor statement, including the Porsche materials. This call will be governed in this language. [Operator Instructions]

And now I would like to hand over to Björn Scheib, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Björn Scheib
executive

Good morning to all of you. And we fully understand you all have a quite busy morning in Europe with the reporting of a couple of other companies, including ours. So from that point of view, we try to make this now to be as efficient as possible so that you have the chance also to join the other conference calls thereafter.

I'm Björn, I'm the Head of Investor Relations here at Porsche, and I'm being accompanied by our CEO, Oliver; and our CFO, Lutz, who will be very happy to answer your questions thereafter. We will quickly start with an intro summarizing the operating performance this quarter to give you better insight. And last but not least, then we will continue with the Q&A session that will follow.

Oli, the floor is yours.

Oliver Blume
executive

Yes. Thank you very much, Björn. Good morning, and welcome, everyone, also from my side. Thank you for being with us today. As you all know, we are celebrating 75 years of Porsche sports cars this year. And we continue to inspire our customers, not only with the current product lineup but also with exciting new additions.

Past quarter saw the launch of the new Cayenne. Furthermore, we successfully held our first Annual General Meeting since the IPO only a few weeks ago. However, the global economic situation remains challenging, with an impact on us, too, of course. But we can also say we are showing a very solid performance [ under ] these difficult and challenging conditions.

Financial results turned out accordingly. Group revenue in the first half year was EUR 20.4 billion. This is an increase of 14% compared to the previous year. Group operating profit was EUR 3.9 billion. This is an increase of 11%, reflecting higher group sales with a stable pricing penetration but also the challenges from the supply chain. Group operating return on sales in the first half of this year was 18.9% and 19.5% in the second quarter. Lutz will give you more details on the financials later.

Given the economic situation and the ongoing supply chain challenges, these are strong results that give us a strong foundation for the full year. We are, therefore, confirming our full year 2023 outlook statements. At the same time, we are expecting the macroeconomic and supply chain challenges to persist in the second half of the year.

Our deliveries to customers in the first 6 months of 2023 were up by 15% compared to the previous year despite model cycle changes and ongoing supply restrictions. This is a very pleasing result so far. We posted gains in every sales region, which is proof that our products in a high demand around the world. We are benefiting from a well-balanced share between the regions: 25% in North America, 32% in Europe, 26% in China and 17% in overseas.

The launch of the new Cayenne has been very satisfying so far. We have posted over 30,000 orders since its presentation in April, even though the car has not even reached the showrooms of our worldwide Porsche centers yet. And the order mix demonstrates that our customers are making good use of the opportunity to individualize their vehicles. Deliveries to customers have started in several markets. Introduction to China is planned for September.

We are benefiting from a recovery of the supply chain for commodities, chips and commodity parts. Major challenges remain in terms of availability and price inflation for many of the components that are differentiating our products and parts that are in high demand from our customers.

Therefore, we still have to be very flexible in our day-to-day business and production planning. This is reflected accordingly in waiting times, unit sales and costs, and we expect these challenges to persist in the future. Once again, to be clear, it's about the special parts that are differentiating our products, not the commodity side of supply chain.

Regardless of these challenges, we keep investing intensively in our development, in innovations and in our Porsche ecosystem so that we can continue to offer our customers the products and services they expect from us. We have taken the next step on the way to tailor-made high-performance battery sales. Since May, we have been the sole shareholder of Cellforce Group. The aim is to scale up the cell manufacturing process in the medium term, if necessary, also at other locations, and we are prepared for the entry of new investors.

So let me summarize. The situation is challenging, but we have a clear plan for the future of Porsche, and we keep putting it into action consistently. For further details, I now hand over to my colleague, Lutz Meschke.

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes. Thank you, Oli. Good morning, and welcome also from my side, everyone. In the next couple of minutes, I will share the major milestones we have achieved in the first half of 2023 with you.

Overall demand for personalized, well-equipped Porsche cars remain satisfying and cancellations are low. This reflected in the number and the mix of incoming customer orders in the first half of the year. Unchanged, the 911 is the largest order book, strong mix and longest waiting time around the year by average across all derivatives.

The first 2 quarters of 2023, we posted very satisfying wholesales and deliveries to customers. This success is a great team accomplishment of procurement, production and sales. All of them are dealing with significant challenges on a continuous basis. Deliveries to customers increased by 15%. Germany, Europe as well as the area overseas and emerging markets are growing over proportionally making our regional mix more balanced.

The sales increase was led by all product lines at Taycan, where we continuously face significant supply disruptions. In consequence, the BEV share was 10.8% in the first half year. From now on, we expect Taycan sales to benefit from improving parts availability and higher supply. However, achieving our BEV target of more than 12% for 2023, will be challenging.

In the first half of 2023 at the group level, we achieved a revenue of EUR 20.4 million. This represents an increase of 14% compared to the same period last year and is mainly due to higher group sales with a stable price penetration. The group operating profit increased by EUR 372 million to EUR 3.9 billion in the first half of 2023. This translated into an operating return on sales of 18.9%.

In the first half, we had to digest higher costs compared to last year, resulting from an inflationary environment as well as intensified sales activities, digitalization and increased motor sport engagement. The earnings per preferred share amounted to EUR 3.04.

At EUR 3.7 billion, the Automotive segment's operating profit in the first half of 2023 exceeded the prior year figure by EUR 392 million. This accomplishment was the result of higher sales with stable pricing and continued beneficial product mix, slightly offset by higher costs as well as spending and investments into our product and innovation portfolio.

With automotive sales revenue of EUR 18.9 billion, the operating return on sales for automotive was 19.3%. Automotive EBITDA rose by EUR 488 million to EUR 4.8 billion, corresponding to an Automotive EBITDA margin of 25.6%. In the first 6 months, we were able to produce more vehicles than in the same period of last year. In this context, let me comment on our balance sheet and the increase in inventories and finished cars.

At Porsche, this is a normal course of business as our production shuts down for the summer holidays. Furthermore, the vehicles and transfer of the new Cayenne to our dealers also had an impact. Despite our high level of investment activity into product, innovation, plants and our ecosystem, we achieved a net cash flow in our automotive business of EUR 2.2 billion in the first half of 2023.

Net cash flow margin for automotive was 11.7%. Please note that we also had seasonally higher cash outflows in the second quarter for bonus payments and the pro rata delayed tax payment in addition to the increased inventory and investments.

Revenue from the Financial Services segment increased to EUR 1.7 billion. The operating profit in the Financial Services segment amounted to EUR 174 million in the first half of 2023. The result was impacted by valuation of interest rate hedges and derivatives outside of hedge accounting. This is a part of regular refinancing activities.

Our Financial Services penetration in the first 6 months was 40.8%, which was more than 200 basis points lower than at the end of 2022. This development reflects that we pass on the market terms in our offers.

As of June 30, our automotive net liquidity decreased by EUR 1.9 billion to EUR 6.4 billion compared to the end of the fiscal year. This is a result of the positive contribution of net cash flow and, on the other hand, of the cash outflow of the last payment in context of the profit and loss agreement and domination agreement with VW, which were terminated in the meantime.

Investing in product innovation to better serve our customers is one of our key priorities. Thus, in the first half of 2023, we spent EUR 1.5 million on research and development, 18% more compared to last year.

Most R&D expenses in the reporting period were due to the conversion of the product range towards electromobility. The R&D ratio was 8.2%. Own work capitalized amounted to EUR 1.2 billion in the first 6 months of 2023. The increase is due to the rising expenditure for ongoing projects, which are close to being ready for series production. Depreciation and amortization of capitalized development costs amounted to EUR 427 million.

Let's move on to the outlook for 2023. The Porsche AG Group continues to be confronted with a challenging macroeconomic environment. Challenges in securing supply chains and parts supply as well as generally rising cost levels and various geopolitical tensions.

At the same time, the Porsche AG Group is investing extensively in its development, innovations and the entire Porsche ecosystem for future products and services. Despite a challenging overall global situation, the Porsche AG Group confirms its forecast for the full year 2023, published in the combined management report also regarding the conditions, provided that the global and supply situation does not deteriorate significantly.

Based on these above-mentioned assumptions, the Porsche AG Group expects an operating return on sales of 2023 in the range of 17% to 19%. This forecast includes assumed group sales revenues in the corridor of around EUR 40 billion to EUR 42 billion.

Our forecast for the Automotive segment is a net cash flow margin between 10% and 12% and an Automotive EBITDA margin between 25% and 27%. As part of the 2023 sales forecast, the company expects fully electrified vehicles to account for up to 12% to 14% of total new vehicles delivered to customers. However, this target requires a far better supply situation of Taycan in the second half of 2023.

Thank you very much for your attention. We are very much looking forward to answering your questions now.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Björn Scheib
executive

So thank you very much for the introduction. Oli, Lutz, thank you very much for the intro. As you can see that we have quite strong interest on the call, and we have quite limited time this morning. As said by the operator, please be so kind to limit yourself to 1 question in order to give everybody the chance to be part of this Q&A session.

And with this, we start. And with Tim of Deutsche Bank, then we take George of Goldman's and thereafter, it's José of JPMorgan.

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Tim Rokossa
analyst

This is probably then for Oli. You emphasized a lot on the luxury element of your story, rightfully so when we look at the ASP surplus. But listening to the press call just now and also your remarks at the beginning, you talk a lot about negative points. There's cost headwinds, supply chain, macro challenges.

Some of the luxury names that already presented like LVMH, for example, reported great numbers. They didn't talk about macro challenges at all. Can you contextualize this for us a bit? Why are you making it such a key pillar of your communication today given you just made 20% margin, you could also just be happy with that?

Do you indeed see softer demands from your clients on pricing and orders and also on the logistics and supply chain side? Can you help us understand just how the supply chain issues are bothering you? Is that limiting your growth? Or is it just costing you more money?

Oliver Blume
executive

Yes, Tim. I think our figures represent how strong we are. And so the luxury segment isn't affected so strong. But we see, for example, a volatile Chinese market, where the recuperation still isn't here as expected. And so we mentioned these points that we have to watch the situation in the different regions of the world. But by now, with the strong figures we are presenting, we are not so affected for being so strongly positioned in the luxury market.

But we are not alone in the world and so that is being aware what's happening there and then taking the right decisions, having the right flexibility in terms of product. And we are still in a very strong demand from our customer side, to be very clear.

Lutz Meschke
executive

Absolutely. And I think it's also more a proactive reaction on a potential question from your side. Is it not possible to increase our forecast figures? This is the potential question. And therefore, we addressed very clearly that despite a very promising order bank situation and satisfying order intakes, we have also some aspects we have to consider regarding our forecast figures.

And we already mentioned that we will increase our prices for the new model year, started now in June by about 5%. And of course, this is not reflected now in the first half year figures. But on the other hand, we will have these inflationary effects. And therefore, we feel quite comfortable with our existing forecast. And therefore, we will stay with our forecast figures when it comes to revenue and when it comes to operating income.

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Tim Rokossa
analyst

Okay. That's very interesting. If I may just follow up on that then. Sorry, Björn. But judging from the comments that I got from investors during your press call already, this is more [indiscernible] to your point, you're explaining why you're not increasing your guidance. Because a lot of investors actually interpreted your very negative remarks earlier today as a preparation for a very weak Q3.

You were suffering from an inventory problem, potentially dealer compensation payments in Q4. There's a few discussions about that in China. Quarter-on-quarter margins being down in the second half, and these type of things. It's more explaining why it's not much better rather than preparing us for it getting substantially worse.

Lutz Meschke
executive

Absolutely. No, the -- you know it very well. We are very clear in our positioning, and we are very confident to see also a very strong second half year in 2023. We can be very confident because we have a very strong order bank. We see very satisfying order intakes. And therefore, there is no need to have a fear regarding the second half of the year.

But nevertheless, we are very, very, yes, a conservative company when it comes to our forecast regarding income sales and also net cash flow. And therefore, besides all the opportunities we have, we have to address also the negative aspect when it comes to the inflationary environment.

Oliver Blume
executive

Porsche always keen to deliver, and we will keep this position in the future.

Björn Scheib
executive

The next one in the row then would be George. Thereafter, we have José. And thereafter, it's Henning of Barclays.

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George Galliers-Pratt
analyst

The first question I had was just with respect to the supply chain constraints and how much that's holding you back. So I think you've been clear in your communication that you haven't been able to fulfill the orders with respect to paint sample some high-end models due to carbon fiber shortages.

And we're also seeing other constraints around lighting options, et cetera. How much higher could the revenue per unit have been and also the auto return on sales if you had not faced these disruptions? Can you give us any kind of indication of the magnitude of what is being left on the table at this point?

The second question I had was just with respect to the news flow around Audi, leveraging a psych ] platform, which perhaps we'll learn more about tomorrow, but does suggest that there's potentially a delay to one of the Volkswagen Group-developed battery electric vehicle platforms? Does this pose any risk to Porsche's product plans and the timing of the introduction of Porsche's vehicles based off SSP in coming years.

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes, starting maybe with your first question, George. Unfortunately, that's a theoretical question. But it shows the huge potential we have in the upcoming months since we will be able to catch up when it comes to our supply chain constraints.

And that gives us the potential to further increase, yes, our product mix in the upcoming months. And please understand that we cannot give any more information about the additional potential. It's theoretical, but we can deliver more if we catch up regarding our supply chain constraints. That gives us the confidence also for the upcoming months and the next year.

Oliver Blume
executive

And may I come to the second part of your question, the product operation from Audi, Vespa sites. It's one part of the China -- in China-for-China strategy of Volkswagen Group. And that does not affect any product development we are doing together in the group. It does not affect any time [ affection ]. And so it's a single issue how it is doing in China, which does not interfere in the Porsche business.

Björn Scheib
executive

Thank you. So the next one then will be José, then it's Henning. And thereafter, it's Stephen of Societe Generale.

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Jose Asumendi
analyst

José from JPMorgan. Oli and Lutz, just one question, please. Capitalized R&D, can you comment what happened in the second quarter? And how should we think about this for the remaining of the year?

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes. Thank you, José, for this question. Yes, the expensed R&D and depreciation on capitalized R&D, combined, remained with about 3.9% of revenue. And that's comparable to quarter 1 as well as first half of 2022. That means it's a very stable situation when it comes to the impact for our profit and loss statements.

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Jose Asumendi
analyst

Which should remain stable into the second half of the year, I'm guessing.

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes, absolutely. It will also be in the second half of this year.

Björn Scheib
executive

So the next one then will be Henning and it's Stephen. And thereafter, it will be Michael of Kepler.

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Henning Cosman
analyst

Can we please talk about the composition of further revenue growth between specifically volume, price and mix? And I very much appreciate you're looking at this 4% to 8% price increase coming through in the second half now. But so far, revenue has still been quite volume-driven.

And I'm not so much interested in the second half, but perhaps more conceptually, I think at the IPO stage, we talked more about a pivot of revenue growth more towards price and mix. Of course, you had a very tough comp in Q2 last year. So we weren't maybe expecting so much for this quarter alone.

But just going forward, also in the context of this luxury company proposition. Can you give us a bit of comfort that we are about to see this pivot now towards price mix and your perhaps consolidating volumes more at the current level if we were to annualize the H1 volume, for example. Could you talk a bit in that direction?

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes. No, absolutely right. That volume is not our target. But at the end, the volume growth is -- at the end is a consequence of our brand strength, of our product range and of our unique customer experience. And of course, we also plan to moderate volume growth for the upcoming years.

And what's more important, we will exploit further price potential. We are striving for a better product mix and higher individualization rates. That's very important. That is the focus of our strategy. And we will have a lot of additional growth drivers in future.

We see very strong new markets, first of all, in the overseas and emerging markets region: Asia, Middle East and also South America. And we have, of course, also new target groups, it's revenues it's a higher share of [ females ], we have to strive for, and that gives us a huge potential for the future to grow not only volume-wise, but first of all, grow significantly when it comes to our operating profit margin.

And I have to underline that we have seen already a very strong second quarter. This year, we reached an operating margin above 19%. And I think these are excellent figures. And that means we are very good on the path towards our road to a 20% operating margin.

And [indiscernible] is core of our luxury strategy. And we see a very high demand especially for our special editions like the 911 Dakar or the GT3 RS. And we can mention it with a strong increased mix of the 2-door sports cars.

We have a very strong pillar in the SUV segment. And the Panamera accounted for 10% of sales, sales volume, so especially in the higher segments. And we are preparing ourselves with our exclusive manufacturer programs Sonderwunsch, where we fulfill all the dreams of our customers, and on the other side, with a very high profit margin.

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Henning Cosman
analyst

Just to reconfirm, when we think of that midterm 7% to 8% revenue growth that we talked about at the IPO stage, it's still true that clearly less than half of that is meant to come from volume and the bulk of it is meant to come from price mix, right, within the 7% to 8% midterm revenue growth.

Lutz Meschke
executive

So major part will come from price and better product mix and higher individualization rates.

Björn Scheib
executive

Very thank you. Up then will be Stephen, then it's Michael. And thereafter, its Horst of Bank of America. And by the way, please note that we unfortunately had to close now the list of questions. So after Horst, it will be Mike of HSBC, Daniel of Bernstein and Daniel of Stifel. And after this, we are unable to accept any further questions.

S
Stephen Reitman
analyst

Stephen Reitman here from Societe General. I understand that you introduced the Paint to Sample option on the Cayenne with a price under EUR 10,000. And I understand that the response has been very, very strong on this. Could you talk more a little bit about this?

And do you think it's been underpriced relative to the demand you're seeing on this? And because obviously, this speaks to the ability to personalize more and customization, which is obviously part of the whole luxury story.

Oliver Blume
executive

Yes. The Paint to Sample, it was a very important initiative during the last, last years. And we see a very, very strong, strong demand in all our model ranges and also in the Cayenne, what we established in Bratislava. And I think there might be still potential for pricing in the future. But we see this Paint to Sample is one important part of our individualization strategy. Because with Paint to Sample, they are coming more individualization issues to the cars. And so we have potential for pricing in the future.

Björn Scheib
executive

Very good. We want to give everybody the chance for questions. So let's speed up next, Michael and Horst, and then Michael of HSBC.

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Michael Raab
analyst

Mike from Kepler Cheuvreux here. I have a very simple and quick question. To which extent is the supply of componentry for the forthcoming Macan BEV subject to constraints? And if so, do they endanger the planned timing of the ramp-up of the model the way you can foresee it right now?

Oliver Blume
executive

No very, very quick answer to your question. We are in the final testing phase of the Macan. I am personally very passionate driving the car. And I'm very convinced what we will offer in terms of driving abilities and infotainment, for example. So we can confirm that we will be in the market in 2024 as we promised before.

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Michael Raab
analyst

Now 24 consists of 12 months as any year does. So you can still shift inside that year on the time line, if you wanted to. So back to my question, are you currently seeing any concrete signs of a supply shortage of key componentry for the Macan BEV, please?

Oliver Blume
executive

No.

Lutz Meschke
executive

There are no specific supply chain issues for the Macan.

Oliver Blume
executive

It's a software issue, if you know, and we want to be 100% perfect when we come into the market. And so to do the market introduction, it's a process. It's not only one date. We will start with our dealer partner, partner events and then going step by step in the regions. And that will happen in 2024, as we said during the last year.

Lutz Meschke
executive

It is crucial to solve all the software bugs before the car goes to the customer.

Björn Scheib
executive

So then it's Horst, Michael of HSBC, Daniel of Bernstein and then Daniel of Stifel.

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Horst Schneider
analyst

Yes. Can you hear me?

Björn Scheib
executive

Yes.

H
Horst Schneider
analyst

Yes. Okay. Just one brief one for Lutz maybe, it's on foreign exchange effects. I remember at the IPO, you were saying that operating margin gets boosted by FX effect by something like 2%. We have seen quite strong depreciation of the renminbi in H1. I want to understand what is now the impact of the FX effects going forward, but also what has it been in H1?

So is there potentially a negative margin effect from that or has been already a potential negative effect? And maybe you can explain on that. The last one, if I can sneak that in, it's for Oliver. I just want to understand your view on Formula One. You're still seeing Formula One belongs to Audi or it should be better placed at Porsche?

Lutz Meschke
executive

Thank you, Horst, for this question. You're right. The last year was affected by about 200 basis points due to the strong FX situation. Unfortunately, we see a similar situation also in 2023. And we see also -- or we forecast also a similar impact or effect for 2022 -- 2024 due to our long-term oriented FX hedging policy.

And therefore, we will be -- will be not seriously affected by the weakening renminbi because we have seen a long-term oriented hedging policy in place also for the entire year 2023. And therefore, we expect a similar impact. That means also a boost of about 200 basis points in our margin, same situation as last year.

Oliver Blume
executive

Yes coming to your F1 question. As you know, we check opportunities to get into the Formula One together with a Red Bull cooperation. And for us, it was very important not being only engine supplier but also having an important part of shares of the racing team at -- in the later process, Red Bull decided not to sell shares, which is totally okay for us, up to them. But that was important for our deal. And so we decided not to get into. And up to now, there are no further activities in F1. And the Audi engagement, together with Southwest, totally separated from the activities we have had in Porsche.

Björn Scheib
executive

Now let's rush on in order to get this finished that we can jump on the other call. This is now Michael of HSBC, Daniel of Bernstein and Daniel of Stifel and then we finish.

M
Michael Tyndall
analyst

A quick one from me. I just want to go back to R&D capitalization because I'm not sure I understood the answer. I've got R&D capitalization sitting at around about 84% in Q2 versus 71% in Q3. And you state in the report that it was related to the launch of new models or the new models going into production phase. I just wonder if you could elaborate. I mean we've got a fair idea on what's in the pipeline. Is it related to products we know? Is it different products? Any color you could give on that front would be helpful.

Lutz Meschke
executive

Yes. Michael, it's very important to know that the capitalization rate is highly depending on the life cycle of our products. And now we have a lot of products in place which are very close to series production, and therefore, we will see a higher capitalization rate. But what's very important for us is that we have a stable situation when it comes to expense R&D and the depreciation as a sum because it's very important that we have a stable situation when it comes to our P&L impact.

And that's about 3.9% of revenue, and that's absolutely comparable to the first quarter as well as the first half of 2022. And as I have mentioned before, we will see also a stable situation in the upcoming months. That means in the second half of this year and also in the upcoming years. And therefore, yes, it's a stable situation.

M
Michael Tyndall
analyst

Can I just -- I know time is of the essence, but is the delay of the Macan an impact because, effectively, it's somewhat concatenated the launch schedule? It's put everything together a bit more than it would have been normally.

Lutz Meschke
executive

No. The overall situation is not heavily impacted or affected by the Macan delay because all the hardware issues are already so far, we are in the final testing phase, and therefore, there is no significant impact from this side.

Björn Scheib
executive

Daniel?

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Daniel Roeska
analyst

Daniel from Bernstein. Could you give us some details on the exciting Taycan refresh that's coming up? Just wondering about the changes to drivetrain technology, battery software. Maybe specifically, will the next Taycan kind of benefit from the Macan's 1.2 software? And on the range in the Taycan, will you kind of be able to get close to or match your key competitors' range on that refresh?

Oliver Blume
executive

Okay. Daniel, I think you have to be a bit patient before we open all the details for the new Taycan. But it's clearly that we will improve the car in terms of driving abilities, in terms of range, in terms of charging. There's a lot to come, but quite too early to talk about in detail about it.

Björn Scheib
executive

So the last one then will be of Daniel from Stifel. Daniel, are you still there? Okay. So thank you very much to all of you. Thank you very much for joining. We fully understand that we kept you today with all the disclosures pretty busy. Still, Investor Relations stays at your disposal.

For all of you who are already on holidays or about to travel on holidays, take the time off, recharge the batteries, and we all look forward to see you after the summer break. And for the ones of you waiting for our cars, also to make you very happy Porsche owners. Thank you, and bye-bye.

Oliver Blume
executive

Thank you to all.

Lutz Meschke
executive

Thank you.

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