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Earnings Call Transcript 2018-Q1

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to AIXTRON's Q1 and 2018 Results Conference Call. Please note that today's call is being recorded. Let me now hand you over to Mr. Guido Pickert, VP of IR and Corporate Communications at AIXTRON for opening remarks and introductions.

[Guido Pickert]

Thank you, operator. Let me start by welcoming you all to AIXTRON's Q1 2018 results conference call. I'd like to welcome our Executive Board, represented by Dr. Felix Grawert; and a Dr. Bernd Schulte; as well as our VP of Finance and Administration, Charles Russell. As the operator indicated, this call is being recorded by AIXTRON and is considered copyright material. As such, it cannot be recorded or rebroadcast without expressed permission. Your participation in this call implies your consent to this recording. Please note that our Safe Harbor statement on Page of 2 our result presentation applies throughout this conference call. You may also wish to have a look at our latest IR presentation, which includes the additional information on AIXTRON's markets and its technologies and is available on our website. We will place an audio file up for recording or a transcript on our website at some point after the call. I would now like to hand you over to Dr. Bernd Schulte for opening remarks. Bernd?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Many thanks, Guido, and welcome from my side as well. Let me start by taking you an overview of the key developments in Q1 before handing over to Charles, who will lead you through the financials. This will then be followed by Felix who will discuss how we managed the operational challenge today and ahead of us. I will then do a wrap-up before handing over to you all for Q&A. Let me start by saying that we have a strong first quarter. As a result, we can certainly confirm the 2018 full-year guidance we gave at the end of February. And I will give you more details about this guidance at the end of the call. We have a strong foundation of the robust line of products as well as resilient cost-effective and flexible business model, which enabled us to benefit from the current strong market environment that Felix will explain to you later.Secondly, we have gone through a successful reorientation of our technology portfolio, and now have a durable and focused product portfolio in growth areas, such as specialty LEDs, lasers and power electronics. Certainly, we have a comprehensive technology and product development road map, in which we continue to improve the performance of our optoelectronics and MOCVD systems. And secondly, we are currently enhancing our silicon carbide power offerings to make the most productive solutions in the market for volume manufacturing. And finally, we are developing disruptive technologies in the OLED area as well as next-generation carbon materials such as graphene, all of which have significant end market opportunities and will support our growth in the medium and longer term.Let's now return to Q1, which was our strongest start to the since of 2011. Our business enjoys a positive momentum with strong interest for our full range of products but in particular for our manufacturing solutions for the production of lasers such as vertical cavity surface emitting lasers for 3D sensing and optical datacom applications. This is reflected in the higher than originally expected order intake in Q1, which at EUR 79 million was 27% ahead of the same quarter last year and 20% ahead of the previous quarter. The quarter was strong in terms of revenues, which came in at roughly EUR 62 million, which was 16% ahead of the same quarter last year. In terms of profitability, we were both EBIT and net income positive in the first quarter. With EBIT of close to EUR 8 million and net profit of slightly above EUR 12 million. Both were, of course, ahead of the same quarter last year, when AIXTRON was loss-making. This earnings increase is largely a reflection of an improved product mix and the very strong gross margin performance, which reached 43% in the quarter, supported to a certain degree by lower U.S. dollar-denominated revenues. This was above the 39% we achieved in the previous quarter, and the 25% we achieved in Q1 2017. As the product mix varies quarter-to-quarter and order behavior can be lumpy, this gross margin profile will also fluctuate going forward. At this point, let me hand now you over to Charles for more detailed overview of the Q1 2018 numbers.

[Charles Russell, Chief Accounting Officer]

Thanks, Bernd, and hello to everyone. Turning to Slide 4, Q1 represented a very good start to the year with order intake at EUR 79 million, up 20% on the previous quarter and 27% on the EUR 62 million we generated in the first quarter last year. Consequently, we ended the quarter with an equipment backlog of EUR 115 million, up 6% on the year-end backlog and 31% ahead of the year ago figure. This gives us a good visibility for the remainder of the year. We were profitable in both the first quarter as new business net income level, and this was largely driven by the increased sales and good product mix producing the 43% gross margins. EBIT for the quarter was EUR 8 million compared to the loss of EUR 13 million in the comparable period in 2017. Net income for the first quarter was EUR 12 million, an increase of EBIT being because we recognized EUR 5 million of deferred tax assets. Moving onto the next slide. Let me go into more depth on the income statement. Total revenues recorded in the first quarter was EUR 62 million, up from the EUR 54 million in both Q4 and Q1 2017. Compared with previous quarters, the mix of sales was much higher in Europe. 38% of our sales were in Europe this quarter compared with 8% in the year ago period and 13% in Q4 2017. We also had a favorable product mix. Gross margin improved from 25% in Q1 last year to 43% in this quarter, which reflects the sales mix and the absence of the [ GaN-on-SIC ] sales, which we had in Q1 2017. Operating expenses of EUR 19 million were less than EUR 26 million in the same quarter last year. Selling and admin expenses are more or less in line with the normal run rate in previous quarters. The major change is in the R&D expense, which is lower because of last year's sales in the memory business and the few of new developments in TFOS. We are now clearly focused on development of opto power and LED. As a result of the increased sales volumes, increased margins and lower operating expense, EBIT from the first quarter was a profit of EUR 8 million, a significant improvement over Q1 2017. Because of the transition from last year's profitability, we have capitalized EUR 5 million of deferred tax assets, giving an overall tax credit in the quarter of EUR 4 million. Obviously, that's transition effect only. Consequently, the net results for Q1 was EUR 12 million profit. Moving to Slide 6, which shows our cash flow statement. As expected, last year, because of an agreed payment related to the sales of our ALD/CVD product line, we were cash flow negative in the first quarter. Receivables DSO, also increased from 33 to 43 days, which is a short-term timing effect related to the high level of sales in the month of March. Operating cash flow was minus EUR 21 million in contrast to the previous periods, where cash flow was strongly positive. We do expect the operating cash flow will be positive for the year. Cash equivalent was EUR 223 million compared with EUR 246 million at year-end. Turning to the next slide, our balance sheet. The principal changes in AIXTRON's balance sheet since last year reflect the increased levels of business. Inventories have increased because of increased orders, receivables have increased in line with sales, equity has increased because of the profits. And as expected liabilities reduced because of payments related to the memory business sale. Now let me hand you over to Felix, who will give you some operational insights.

[Felix J. Grawert, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Thank you, Charles. In the last earnings conference call, we have provided you a comprehensive perspective on the market and on our strategy in a core areas, opto and power. This time, we would like to discuss some operational topics that are important to us. Our numbers and guidance reflect a strong uptake in revenue and orders in the MOCVD business. Our manufacturing model is very well capable of digesting this uptick. It is based largely on outsourced and deliveries and preassembly from our supplier. It focuses the in-house work, mainly on production planning, orchestration of the assembly on our shop floor, and test of the assembled tools. In fact, we are not running into any capacity constraints with respect to our own stock. However, we have to manage an overall tightening of supplies and parts availability along the semiconductor equipment supply chain. In order to do so, we monitor this very closely, and when needed, we preorder [ long lead ] items ahead of time to be able to serve customer demand and to avoid running into limitation for our output. We do not expect to risks regarding our inventory level, as this had a small effect compared with the inventory attributable to tools, which are built to customer orders. With that, we think, we are well set to deliver the tools according to our customers' demand. Furthermore, we will need to install a significantly larger number of tools with our customers in the field, especially in the second half of 2018. Our service team has been sized to cope with the installation level of 2017, such that the increased output cost for additional installation capacity this year. As we do not want to provide this only via an increased headcount, [ some may need it ], we have started a service and installation efficiency program targeted at reducing the installation time per tool. Efficiency gains are a more elegant way to boost output, especially in lead time that we are seeing now. Finally, the growing number of customers in the power electronics and automotive industry as well as some of the laser customers ask for different and higher quality standards. We also address this topic with the dedicated quality initiative. In summary, we think we are well equipped to manage the above-mentioned operational topic, as we have the right manufacturing model and a set of initiatives in place to address them. Let me also briefly comment on our OLED business at APEVA, which addresses the $50 billion end market opportunity by 2021 with their OLED display technology. The project is progressing as announced in the February earnings call. Our Gen2 has been set up and tested and [ shipped ] in Asia and will be soon be installed at the customer facility in order to qualify the technology for mass production. Discussions with a joint venture partner intensely ongoing but has not been concluded yet. With that, let me hand you back to Bernd for a wrap-up.

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Thank you, Felix. Before we finish the presentation, let me summarize the main operational points we presented to you today, and then give you our perspective on the broader business issues we are addressing in the months ahead.In summary, Q1 was solid with strong revenues, higher than expected orders, and margins which gives us increasing confidence for this year. We are addressing the operational topics coming along with strong business, and therefore we do not see limitations to deliver as desired. Based on these results, we confirm our 2018 full year guidance given in February 2018 shown on Slide 8. We expect revenues and order intakes in the range of EUR 230 million to EUR 260 million and EBIT margin between 5% and 10% of revenues. However, due to the positive developments of the business, we expect revenues and EBIT margin to be close to the top end of their guided ranges. Gross margin is expected to be between 35% to 40%. A positive operating cash flow between the years is also expected. With that, I'll toss you back to Guido, and we are now happy to take your questions.

[Guido Pickert]

Thank you, Bernd, Felix and Charles. Operator, we'll now take the questions, please.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] And the first questioner is from Uwe Schupp from Deutsche Bank.

[Uwe Schupp, Small and Mid]

Two questions please from my side. Firstly, again on the guidance and the, well basically implied EUR 50 million-or-so that you are implicitly guiding for the second quarter. Question would be whether why you saw these EUR 50 million as your, kind of, core scenario from today's perspective? Or are you just trying to be conservative as possible in order to start rebuilding a track record of what is really behind, in other words, are you expecting a serious slowdown in the VCSEL demand because of current nervousness of the market versus potential build-out scenario for 2019 devices coming to the market? Secondly, on the gross margin, could you help us understand a little bit better what the thinking behind your gross margins scenario really is? We heard you saying that you're expecting sales and also EBIT being at the upper end. Why wouldn't that necessarily be the case for the gross margin? And I heard you saying, Bernd that, you indicate that there will be always some fluctuation, but if there would be fluctuation in the coming quarters, wouldn't that also imply that given the higher end of the EBIT margin guidance that there is some relief on the OpEx line as well? So just some background around that would be appreciated.

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Yes, Mr. Schupp, thank you for questions. Coming to the EUR 50 million calculated order intake, which is missing to hit exactly the EUR 260 million. We have to see certainly EUR 50 million is -- this is the order intake, which is shippable this year. And we're seeing definitely a continued interest in terms of requests of various kinds of applications, not just mixes but also others MOCVD equipment applications. So I think it's a fair and, I think, reasonable and realistic statement to say that we are really close to the upper end of the guidance. And we have also to see what's -- what is doable in terms of our production, and what customers really also are able to take with their facilities within this year. So this is -- this led us to stay with the guidance, however, to refine it to come to the upper end. Second to your question about gross margin, I think we had a very good -- with 43%, we had been higher than the guided gross margins. We -- and Q1 was certainly a very strong quarter coming with the several effects. One, I think we mentioned, Charles mentioned that we had at a relatively high sale into euro-based orders. So we had a less effect from the exchange rate. But secondly, also, we had significantly high mix into higher margin products. But this varies because going forward, we expect more orders to be shipped, which have more related to the LED business, which, by nature, have a lower gross margin due to the competitive environment. So that leaves us really to say we are between 35% and 40% of gross margin in the average for the entire year.

[Uwe Schupp, Small and Mid]

Yes, that's very clear. And just to kind of follow-up on your -- the first point. So the EUR 50 million is basically not your basic core guidance in terms of Q2 orders, but basically, the number of orders that would be shippable for this year and the rest would potentially be -- and already for next year?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Yes, exactly. And you should also mean this is only equipment. In the chart where we've explained this bit, we had EUR 2 million, typically assuming like EUR 10 million for after sales, which would be then on top of this for the order intake.

[Operator]

The next questioner Veysel Taze is from ODDO.

[Veysel Taze, Analyst]

The first one would be basically, if you look at the Q1. You have -- the opto part was very strong but the rest of the business was weak. You indicated in the LED space, particularly that it will not be another year like last year. However, can you explain a little bit on the power and the LED part, the trajectory between the quarters, what we can expect for the rest of the year because Q1 seems to be very, very weak on LED and power part?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Let me comment on the LED part. Typically, orders for LEDs are typically quite lumpy. Typically, these orders come from China and are typically coming in the amount of 5, 10, sometimes in more systems per order. And as such then we're seeing quite high fluctuation from quarter-to-quarter for the different application. So as you've quite rightly seen that effect for Q1 was low, doesn't mean it will not be different in the future. And for power electronics, I mean that market, certainly, is still a very -- it's a growing market, on the moment, relatively low level. So most of our customers are in the phase of sampling to their customers, and we are not in the phase where customers are really -- are strongly ramping into high-volume manufacturing. I think this is not to be expected for system shipments earlier this year. So we expect this something, the growth really comes maybe in next year or beyond.

[Veysel Taze, Analyst]

Okay. On the...

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Can you hear us?

[Veysel Taze, Analyst]

Yes, sorry, there was something in the line. So on the -- just follow-up on Mr. Schupp's question. On the order momentum in Q2, I mean we are now end of April so would you say that you could already see in April a slowdown, or would you say, okay, the pace has been still okay? And also considering from the semiconductor companies what we heard up to now in the early season was okay, no preproduction in Q2, so for the iPhone X 3D sensing modules. So it looks like there will be still capacities for Q2 needed, or yes, would are color around the VCSEL laser momentum and on the order momentum into Q2, in general, would be very helpful.

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

We are not guiding on precise guidance on next quarter's order intake, however, let me say that we're seeing a very healthy continued request from the markets for systems and our testing is very active. But please also keep in mind, that we're not selling VCSEL tools. We have broad range of products in different applications. And seeing that Q1 was very strong for laser doesn't mean that our order intake in the next quarter has to come down. Even though that there are rumors and gossips in the market that there is obviously, some slowdown in VCSEL demand for certain end applications.

[Veysel Taze, Analyst]

And then another one. One of your customers last year, on the LED side, OSRAM. It's a company I am not following. But I was thinking that they might invest in new capacities here in Germany as well. I mean, I don't know if you could comment on OSRAM, but did this not happen? That was kind of expectations also for first half to see some LED demand coming from this customer. I mean, what happened on the side?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

I mean, you're quite right, we're not able to comment on specific customers. So please, please accept that we cannot make a statement. But I would suggest you may ask OSRAM directly.

[Veysel Taze, Analyst]

Okay, yes, fair enough. On the service business, Q1, I think it was EUR 12 million quarterly revenues. Is that a reasonable level for the rest of the year? Because it's a stable business or were there some extra one-offs or something?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Well, we have typically in the range between EUR 10 million to EUR 12 million after-sales businesses. This is a very typical range, yes.

[Operator]

And next up is Andrew Gardiner from Barclays.

[Andrew Michael Gardiner, Director]

I was interested in some of the comments you made, Felix, regarding the supply chain and the potential tightness for certain components across the semi equipment chain. And just sort of comparing that to how you're referring to 2018 guidance. Are you guys suggesting now that EUR 260 million, the top end of that range, regardless of where orders may be in the next 3 months or so, that really is a sort of a physical limit? Not perhaps so from your manufacturing standpoint, but just in terms of sourcing of components so therefore, it wouldn't be prudent for us to be thinking of revenue beyond that and just from sourcing point of view?

[Felix J. Grawert, President & Member of the Executive Board]

No, that was not quite the message. So the message was, first of all, that we would be close to the top of the guidance. That was the first message. And the message I was giving regarding the operational topics was that we do not have limitations with respect to output, neither with respect to our manufacturing capabilities nor with respect to our supply base. But rather, that we are managing very carefully in order to be able to deliver according to the guidance that we had given. And we have we this on our radar and therefore we are able to ship despite the strongly increased output. That is the message.

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Maybe, Andrew, let me add to you on this. I think Felix's presentation was just to say the opposite of what you just [ listing ]. We have been -- as of where our limits are and please keep in mind that 6, 7 years ago when we had the LED boom, we were shipping 100 to 150 reactors per quarter. And so the capability of our flexible, very flexible manufacturing strategy in concert, I think allow us to ramp and [indiscernible] to the market. Of course, there are challenges and that's, I think, also to give a credit to our operational team. We are able to manage those challenges.

[Andrew Michael Gardiner, Director]

Understood. I certainly appreciate on your side, your people, you clearly have that capacity, as you suggested, you've demonstrated that in the past I was just interested in the tightness in the supply chain and how much, sort of, room for flexibility you have, if you guys are catering to some interesting markets at the moment. If orders indeed were there over the next quarter so, what is the theoretical revenue number for this year that you could deliver?

[Felix J. Grawert, President & Member of the Executive Board]

It is being monitored. It is being managed. So the message to you is that whatever orders come, the orders will be shipped.

[Andrew Michael Gardiner, Director]

Okay. Fair enough. Another one and just on opto. One of your lead customers, IQE have been pretty clear about their sort of ordering and installation patterns, so I think we can assume that they have taken a reasonable number of sort of revenue you guys are recognizing in the quarter. I was just wondering beyond that, sort of elsewhere within the opto space, can you give us a sense as to sort of regionally, where the shipments are. There's a lot of noise about Taiwanese or Chinese customers trying to ramp their own capabilities in this area, perhaps initially R&D, but ultimately for commercial volumes. Can you give us just sort of a comment on the breadth of demand that you're seeing there?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Yes, this is -- thank you for the questions. For opto electronics application. We have a very, from regional perspective, a very broad spread. So we're seen orders, request, et cetera and sales into Europe. You mentioned one customer but certainly also the United States, but also into Taiwan, as well as China. And certainly, they are on different levels. And so as far as we can see, different level of qualifications with end customers. But definitely, the interest of our business goes in these very broad and regional split.

[Operator]

And the next questioner is Janardan Menon from Liberum.

[Janardan Nedyam Menon, Technology Analyst]

Just to go back to your potential peak revenues for the year, again, maybe I ask it or one last time in a different way. If theoretically you were to take orders of, let's say, another EUR 70 million of equipment orders in Q2. Would it -- is it theoretically possible that you would exceed EUR 260 million of the revenue for the full year this year?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

I think in principle, I think Felix tried to mention this. From what is -- from what we see in terms of order, which is a reasonable assumption, we have no concerns that we can serve these orders and shipments this year.

[Janardan Nedyam Menon, Technology Analyst]

Understood. And then just moving on to your OLED business, can you just give us an update? You did give us quite a bit of an update at your Capital Markets Day recently, but are we still on track that if the customer is happy with the way the Gen2 system is going, we're looking in order for a larger development system by the end of the year? And if so, would that also be included in your order trend or because it's a development system, will you keep it out of that?

[Felix J. Grawert, President & Member of the Executive Board]

As mentioned the others, that is unchanged, yet making good progress since we last met since over the last earnings call in February, which is the Gen2 has been set up and tested. And we expect this tool to be used in the customer facility and then, as you know, it's about the tool to pass the qualification. It will be thoroughly tested. Based on those tests, we will then -- the customer will make its decision.

[Janardan Nedyam Menon, Technology Analyst]

And if it is a decision for another system, would that be included in your order book in the second half year if it comes in the second half?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

I think we are -- have not considered the order in our order forecast of 230, 260 for order system, whatever size it might be.

[Janardan Nedyam Menon, Technology Analyst]

Understood. And lastly, can you give us on guidance for tax rate going forward? You took a tax benefit in the quarter, but what should we modeling as an ongoing tax rate for the business?

[Charles Russell, Chief Accounting Officer]

I think it's an ongoing tax rate for the business. We should be modeling somewhere in the range 15% to 20%. Because we have tax to pay in some of the other countries apart from Germany, as well, we also tax pay in Germany. And so 15% to 20%, mainly at the lower end of that range.

[Operator]

And next up is Juergen Wagner from MainFirst Bank.

[Jürgen Wagner, Director]

A follow-up on OLED. And -- I mean, you have [ 2 ] discussions on with your customer that you said is progressing well. And the second one is with your potential joint venture partner, and how is this going? And when should we expect a decision?

[Felix J. Grawert, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Yes. This discussion is also progressing, progressing well. But not concluded yet. Such joint venture discussions need to cover many aspects. And these aspects, if you really want to discuss it out, it simply takes some time. So this is going to continue but also again, this one we do not want to give a forecast now when it is concluded. It will be done when both sides have achieved a good or an excellent win-win result that makes this business together successful.

[Jürgen Wagner, Director]

But you could serve this follow-up R&D order with your customer without having concluded joint venture talks, is that right? Or do you have a Plan B saying, then you do it on your own or...

[Felix J. Grawert, President & Member of the Executive Board]

There is no dependency on the operational follow-on order on having concluded by then the joint venture discussion, yes. However, for the longer term, the objective is to close the joint venture and come together with a partner. But that is not a limiting factor for anything in the near term.

[Jürgen Wagner, Director]

Okay, and the second question on, as you mentioned in your prepared remarks, VCSEL is driving sales closer to EUR 260 million this year. How much of that revenue number will be VCSEL equipment?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Certainly, we did not specify this in detail. I think what we have said is that we have a very, very good sales in Q1. And with this, I think, we have the confidence in having particular strong order intake in Q1, which was dominated by laser applications. We are having now this confidence that we will be closer to the upper end of the guidance. But we do not give, now a breakdown of the applications. We spare this for the end year results in February next year.

[Operator]

And the next questioner is Guenther Hollfelder from Baader-Helvea.

[Guenther Hollfelder, Analyst]

Yes, just some follow-up questions, actually. One on the -- what you just said dominated by opto, the order intake. You disclosed that the sales opto accounted for around 70% so it's -- in the first quarter it was similar than also the order intake level that was what you were indicating?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Sorry, can you get it again? I haven't catched your exact question, sir you said.

[Guenther Hollfelder, Analyst]

You said, you disclosed that opto accounted for 70% of sales, and so I was asking in over there a similar level, it's also reflected in your order intake in the first quarter from opto?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Yes. Yes. It's not far away.

[Guenther Hollfelder, Analyst]

Okay, great. And given the size of the orders and the number of tools, can you comment on what was the largest order you had in the first quarter and then how many tools it was to get an idea how this structure is behind this large order number?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Yes. We mentioned before in previous call, in laser, you have a different orders behavior than in LED. Laser, typically customers order smaller single digit amounted orders. Some clients order one-by-one, other, maybe up to 5, this is the maximum we have seen so far in terms of individual order.

[Guenther Hollfelder, Analyst]

Then one follow-up on the -- on your comments on the gross margin and second quarter. I mean the -- if you're saying this high share of opto also in the order intake, I mean, shouldn't this probably then impact on the gross margin continued than in the second quarter or other shipment sales more in the second half of the year?

[Bernd Schulte, President & Member of the Executive Board]

The point what I try to make is that we will see fluctuations quarter-to-quarter. It depends where is the majority of shipments into what application are going. And as Q1 was strongly influenced by shipments into the lasers business, we had a very favorable product mix. And therefore, in a very low -- with 43% clearly above our guided range. Nevertheless, by saying we're still tight range, you can then assume that there will be quarters which will be less than the first quarter. And that's all we want to say. So don't expect 43% for the rest of the year. There will be quarters where we will be below that.

[Guenther Hollfelder, Analyst]

Yes. and the last question on the OLED follow-up question. What's your visibility regarding the timing of the OLED tool being moved to customer's facility? Is it what's -- is there a technology trigger or is it more timing?

[Felix J. Grawert, President & Member of the Executive Board]

It is essentially technology trigger, as I mentioned in the February earnings call. The tool is being set up and tested, and it's tested together with our customer together, that also we mentioned before. And then when test and modifications reach a certain maturity level, that is then the trigger point, technical trigger point for the tool to move into the customer's facility.

[Operator]

And now we come to the next questioner, it is Malte Schaumann from Warburg Research.

[Malte Schaumann, Equity Analyst]

My questions have been answered. Thanks.

[Felix J. Grawert, President & Member of the Executive Board]

Thank you.

[Guido Pickert]

So as there are no more questions in the line, this would conclude our Q1 2010 results conference call. And we are looking forward welcoming again on July 26, to our next result conference call for H1. Thank you very much. Bye.