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My
name
is
Rob,
and
I
will
be
your
conference
operator
today.
At
this
time,
I
would like
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
argenx
Fourth
Quarter
and
Full
Year
2021
Conference
Call.
All
lines
have
been
placed
on
mute
to
prevent
any
background
noise.
After
the
speakers'
remarks,
there
will
be
a
question-and-answer
session.
[Operator Instructions]
Thank
you.
Beth
DelGiacco,
Vice
President,
Investor
Relations
and
Corporate
Communications,
you
may
begin
your
conference.
Thank you,
operator.
A
press
release
was
issued
earlier
today
with
our
full
year
2021
financial
results
and
the
recent
business
update.
This
can
be
found
on
our
website
along
with
the
presentation
for
today's
webcast.
Before
we
begin,
I'd
like
to
remind
you
on
slide
2
that
forward-looking
statements
may
be
presented
during
this
call.
These
may
include
statements
about
our
future
expectations,
clinical
developments,
regulatory
timelines,
the
potential
success
of
our
product
candidates,
financial
projections
and
upcoming
milestones.
Actual
results
may
differ
materially
from
those
indicated
by
these
statements.
argenx
is
not
under
any
obligation
to
update
statements
regarding
the
future
or
to
conform
these
statements
in
relation
to
actual
results,
unless
required
by
a
law.
I'm
joined
on
the
call
today
by
Tim
Van
Hauwermeiren,
Chief
Executive
Officer;
Karl
Gubitz,
Chief
Financial
Officer;
and
Keith
Woods,
Chief
Operating
Officer.
I'll now turn the call over to Tim.
Good
morning
and
thank
you
for
joining
our
call
today.
We
had
a
truly
monumental
2021
and
ended
the
year
with
the
FDA
approval
of
VYVGART,
a
first
of
its
kind
FcRn
blocker
for
the
treatment
of
generalized
myasthenia
gravis
in
adult
patients
who
are
acetylcholine
receptor
antibody
positive.
It
was
a
milestone
we
have
been
working
towards
for
many
years,
and
we
were
so
gratified
to
be
able
to
honor
our
commitment
to
patients
by
bringing
them
a
new
treatment
option.
The
regulatory
momentum
continued
into
2022 with
the
subsequent
approval
of
VYVGART
in
Japan
just
34
days
later.
I
cannot
emphasize
enough
the
work
it
took
for
our
teams
to
make
this
happen
seamlessly.
I
want
to
start
our
call
today
talking
about
our
launch.
During
these
first
weeks,
we
have
focused
primarily
on
demand
generation
through
education
and
awareness
efforts.
Keith
will
share
some
metrics
later
in
the
call,
but
we
still
have
a
lot
to
learn
about
our
launch
trajectory
in
the
coming
quarters.
We
are
doing
our
best
to
characterize
the
state
of
the
launch
today,
though
it's
fair
to
say
it's
still
very
early.
And
these
are
not
necessarily
metrics
we
will
share
on
an
ongoing
basis,
especially
as
we
start
to
provide
revenues
during
our
Q1
earnings
call
in
May.
I
have had
the
privilege
of
being
on
the
road
with
many
members
of
our
field
team
since
the
start
of
the
launch.
At
a
high
level,
we
are
encouraged
by
the
initial
demand
in
our
launch.
We
know
that
it
is
still
early
days
and
that
we
face
the
same
challenges
that
we
described
at
approval.
COVID
restrictions,
the
lack
of
a
J
code,
the
need
for
physician
education
and
better
awareness,
but
eight
weeks
into
the
launch,
we
are
cautiously
optimistic
and
trending
well
against
our
plans.
I
have
also
been
encouraged
by
the
feedback
I'm
hearing
firsthand
from
our
physicians
all
of
which
is
consistent
with
many
of
the
messages
we
shared
leading
up
to
approval.
On
slide
4,
for
example,
the
unmet
needs
faced
by
gMG
patients
for
new
therapies
is
significant,
and
we've
seen
real
demand.
The
challenge
for
our
salesforce
has
been
demonstrating
a
sense
of
urgency
during
a
time
when
patients
do
not
see
their
doctors
regularly.
We
also
see
physicians
rethinking
how
to
treat
their
patients
based
on
the
efficacy
and
safety
profile
we
demonstrated
[ph]
in
adults. (00:04:42)
And
finally,
doctors
applaud
individualized
dosing
and the VYVGART
label,
which
allows
them
the
flexibility
to
dose
based
on
clinical
evaluation.
In
MG,
where
every
patient
is
unique
and
experienced
the
disease
course
differently,
an
individualized
approach
makes
sense
to
physicians.
We
believe
that
the
treatment
cycle
approach
will
accommodate
the
majority
of
our
patients.
We
also
want
to
consider
the
individual
needs
of
patients
that
may
require
alternative
or
more
continuous
dosing
and
to
have
data
should
we
get
questions
from
providers
on
this
topic.
We
started
a
Phase
3b
trial
called
ADAPT
NXT
to
evaluate
additional
dosing
schedules
that
physicians
could use
to
further
individualize
the
VYVGART
treatment
approach.
As
this
is
a
typical
Phase
3b
trial,
we
will
not be
providing
additional
updates
on
the
study
outside
of
an
upcoming
medical
meeting.
In
general,
we
want
to
have
the
most
complete
offering
for
patients
and
physicians,
whether
on
a
dosing
schedule
or
around
formulation,
IV
or
subcu.
We
continue
to
believe
that
having
both
an
IV
and
subcu
option
will
be
important
to
capture
variability
in
patients
and
physicians
preferences.
Slide
5.
Our
Phase
3
ADAPT
subcu
non-inferiority
trial
is
on
track
to
readout
this
month,
evaluating
subcu
efgartigimod
which
is
co-formulated
with
Halozyme's
validated
ENHANZE
technology.
In
this
trial,
we
aim
to
bridge
IV
to
subcu,
based
on
PD
effect,
specifically
IgG
reduction
at
day
29.
We
designed
our
innovative
bridging
trial,
based
on
a
few
key
points.
First,
we
observed
in
our
clinical
trials
a
linear
correlation
between
IgG
reduction
and
clinical
benefit
in
gMG.
We
also
see
a
consistent
PD
effect
with
efgartigimod
whether
in
healthy
volunteers
or
gMG
patients.
The
disease
biology
of
gMG
does
not
affect
PD,
and
actually,
we
have
seen
this
in
all
indications
we
have
studied
so
far.
And
finally,
in
our
Phase
1
study
of
subcu
efgartigimod,
we
observed
an
identical
PD
effect
with
a
fixed
dose
of
1,000
mg
subcu,
as
with
10
milligram
per
kilogram
IV.
Beyond
the
non-inferiority
primary
endpoint,
ADAPT
subcu
will
capture
additional
safety,
efficacy
and
PK-PD
data
in
the
secondary
endpoint
analysis,
which
will
be
important
for
our
commercial
team.
ADAPT
subcu
also
serves
to
satisfy
our
safety
database
requirements
For
subcu
efgartigimod.
We
enrolled
more
than
the
50
patients
required
for
the
primary
endpoint
analysis
and
allowed
ADAPT
open
label
extension
patients
to
roll
over
to
the
ADAPT
subcu
trial.
We
expect
to
be
able
to
give
you
an
update
on
timing
of
our
BLA
filing
when
we
report
top
line
results.
ADAPT
subcu
is
the
first
of
our
near
term
data
milestones.
We
also
are
on
track
to
share
results
in
the
second
quarter
from
the
advanced
trial,
evaluating
IV
efgartigimod
in
primary
immune
thrombocytopenia.
Slide
6.
We
designed
our
Phase
3
ADVANCE
trial
based
on
the
results
from
our
Phase
2
and
benchmarking
of
peer
ITP
trials.
In
our
Phase
2,
we
had
ambitiously
dosed
patients
for
just
four
weeks
while
monitoring
platelet
counts
out
to
21
weeks.
We
learned
from
this
trial
that
more
chronic
dosing
is
required
in
this
population,
even
with
the
limited
drug
exposure,
we
saw
responses
across
patient
types
in
a
very
refractory
ITP
population.
These
results
are
published
in
the
American
Journal
of
Hematology.
We
also
saw
a
high
placebo
response
in
our
Phase
2,
which
in
looking
at
these
trials
is
very
common
in
ITP
given
the
fluctuating
nature
of
platelets.
In
our
Phase
3,
we
are
dosing
patients
weekly
for
26
weeks
with
the
potential
to
push
the
cadence
to
biweekly
dosing
based
on
a
stable
platelet
count.
We
are
measuring
the
primary
end
point
between
weeks
19
and
24,
where
a
patient
has
to
have
a
stable
platelet
count,
meaning
over
50,000
platelets
per
microliter
in
at
least
four
of
those
six
visits.
By
managing
placebo
response
with
this
stringent
endpoint,
we
are
also
setting
the
efficacy
bar
high
for
our
treated
patients.
It
will
be
important
to focus
on
the
delta
between
response
in
the
active
and
placebo
groups.
The
secondary
endpoints
will
also
be
important
with the
advanced
readout
including
safety
and
tolerability,
cumulative
platelet
counts,
bleeding
events
and
quality
of
life
data.
This
will
show
a
more
complete
picture
of
where
efgartigimod
could
play
a
role
in
IgG.
We
hear from
physicians
that
there
remains
a
high
unmet
need
in
ITP
and
that
long-term
response
rates
are
not
satisfactory.
Patients
typically
cycle
through
treatment
options
including
through
multiple
TPOs
in
order
to
maintain
a
stable
platelet
count.
Our
hope
is
that
we
can
break
this
cycle
and
if
an
ITP
patient
fails
or
relapses
on
an
initial
TPO,
they
will
be
in
a
position
to
try
efgartigimod
before
his
second
or
third
TPO.
You
can
see
that
we have
a
catalyst
rich
first
half
of
the
year,
between
our
launch
progress,
and
these
two
data
readouts.
It's
a
busy
time,
but
also
a
very
exciting
time
to
finally
have
our
teams
in
the
field
engaging
with
physician
customers
and
serving
patients.
I'm
going
to
turn
the
call
to
Keith
who
will
provide
more
details
on
the
VYVGART
launch
in
the
US.
Thanks,
Tim.
Good
morning.
I'm
happy
to
provide
an
update
on
the
state
of
our
commercial
business.
Our
salesforce
has
been
in
the
field
for
eight
weeks
now.
So
we
are
still
in
the
very
early
stages.
But
overall,
we
are
seeing
encouraging
progress
in
engaging
with
our
key
stakeholders.
Slide
7,
please.
On
our
approval
call,
we
talked
about
our
strategic
imperatives
to
empower
patients,
to
provide
best-in-class
patient
support,
to
ensure
rapid
adoption
from
healthcare
professionals,
and
to
enable
appropriate
access.
I'm going
to
share
some
data
from
each
of
these.
First,
on
the patient,
we're
not
going
to
share
patient
numbers
today,
but
we
are
comfortable
sharing
that
we
are
currently
in
front
of
our
own
projections.
We
designed
our
Phase
3
ADAPT
study
to
enroll
a
broad
patient
population.
Some
patients
who
were
on mestinon
alone
and
very
early
in
their
disease,
while
others
were
much
more
severe
relapsed
refractory.
With
the
initial
scripts
coming
in,
we
see
a
breadth
of
patient
profiles
reflective
of
the
ADAPT
population.
In
the
first
weeks
of
launch,
we
have
also
seen
what
we
believe
is
pent-up
demand
for
a
new
therapy
in
patients
refractory
to
all
other
available
treatment
options.
It
is
too
early
to
know
whether
or
not
this
is
a
one-time
bolus
of
patients,
but
we
see
these
patients
contributing
to
our
initial
demand.
Slide
8,
please.
We
launched
our
unbranded
DTC
campaign
in
January
to
create
awareness
about
gMG.
The
impact
of
the
commercial
and
empowering
patients
is
clear.
The
commercial
was
encouraging
patients
to
learn
about
new
treatment
options,
including
VYVGART.
By
speaking
with
their
neurologist
or
downloading
resources
from
the
website
based
on
early
assessments,
approximately
25%
of
website
visits
and
50%
of
phone
call
inquiries
can
be
tracked
back
to
the
DTC campaign.
Slide
9,
please.
Our
patient
support
program
has
also
been
serving
our
patients
and
healthcare
professionals
very
well,
and
approximately
90%
of
our
scripts
have
come
in
through
My
VYVGART
Path.
We're
now
seeing
scripts
translate
into
infusions,
and
My
VYVGART
Path
has
been
crucial
to
this
effort.
Our
second
strategic
imperative
is
with
the
physician
community.
Slide
10,
please.
Our
salesforce
has
done
a
great
job
of
engaging
with
neurologists.
The
goal
was
to
focus
on
our
top
group
of
targets,
which
includes
about
1,000
neurologists.
These
neurologists
are
tiered
based
on
the
number
of
gMG
patients
that
they
treat,
their
likelihood
to
try
a
new
biologic,
and
their
influence
amongst
other
neurologists.
So
far,
our
sales
team
has
reached
about
60%
of
this
top
target
group.
Among
physicians,
we
have also
seen
impressive
breadth
and
depth
of
prescribers.
Groups
are
not
just
coming
in
from
our
physician
champions,
but
from
a
broad
group,
and
equally
from
academic
settings
as
well
as
the
community.
We have
also
seen
depth
amongst
physician
prescribers,
with
many
writing
scripts
for
two
or
more
patients.
About
60%
of
our
prescribers
have
been
from
the
top
1,000 neurologist
targets.
Our
peer-to-peer
marketing
efforts
launched
in
January,
and
so
far,
we
have
held
six
national
broadcasts
and
57
local
speaker
programs.
We
have
74
fully
trained
physician
speakers
in
these
first
crucial
quarters
to
launch
and
raise
awareness
and
increase
the
education
on
VYVGART.
Finally,
our
work
with
payers.
Slide
11,
please.
We
announced
at
approval
that
we
had
reached
agreements
in
principle
with
several
national
and
regional
payers
to
structure
a
value-based
agreement.
As
of
this
week,
VYVGART's
specific
policies
have
been
published
in
plans
covering
approximately
25%
of
US
commercial
lives.
We're
on
track
to
have
broad
coverage
in
place
by
the
end
of
the
second
quarter.
So
far,
almost
all
of the
policies
are
aligned
to
our
label.
Patients
can
gain
access
if
they
have
previously
been
treated
ineffectively
with
one
or
more
standard
of
care
options,
whether
it's
mestinon,
steroids
or
a
broad
immunosuppressant.
We
are
also
seeing
encouraging
prior
authorization
language
approving
for
6
to 12
months
of
treatment
at
a
time
rather
than
based
on
a
specific
cycle.
All-in-all,
we
are
optimistic
after
the
first
eight
weeks
of
launch,
but
it
is
still
too
early
for
us
to
understand
how
this
will
play
out
into
future
quarters.
We
look
forward
to
updating
you
again
during
our
first
quarter
earnings
call.
Before
I
turn
the
call
over
to
Karl,
I'd
like
to
quickly
discuss
our
global
launch
strategies.
Slide
12,
please.
The
upcoming
regulatory
milestones
are
covered
in
our
press
release.
With
Japan,
we
received
approval
in
January,
but
the
official
launch
will
not
start
until
we
have
a
price.
This
is
typically
listed
in
the
months
following
our
approval.
Our
sales
team
has
been
active
with
neurologists
talking
about
VYVGART
and
the
mechanism
of
action.
They
can
line
up
patients
before
we
have
a
price,
but
we
will
not
be
able
to
start
booking
revenues
until
after
the
official
launch.
In
Europe,
we
expect
approval
in
the
second
half
of
the
year.
And
of
course,
regulatory
approval
is
just
the
beginning.
For
the
most
part
outside
of
Germany,
we
will
not
be
able
to
start
our
promotional
efforts
until
we
have
secured
reimbursement
on
a
country
by
country
basis.
With
that,
I
will
turn
the
call
over
to
Karl.
Thank
you,
Keith.
Slide
13
please.
Our
2021
financial
results
are
detailed
in
your
press
release
from
this
morning.
So
I
will
only
highlight
some
of
the
key
points
here.
We
ended
the
year
with
cash,
cash
equivalents
and
current
financial
assets
at
$32.3
billion.
This
puts
us
in
a
very
strong
position
for
our
first
commercial
launch
and
to
execute
our
plan
in
2022.
Based
on
our
current
plans
to
fund
the
business,
and
assuming
successful
readouts
for
each
of
these
programs,
we
expect
to
utilize
up
to
half
of
our
all
available
cash
this
year.
From
a
utilization
perspective,
we
think
about
in
the
following
way.
First,
R&D
and
our
ongoing
clinical
trials,
we
will
be
in
10
efgartigimod
indications
by
the
end
of
the
year
and
do
two ARGX-117
indications.
So
our
development
continues
to
be
the
largest
proportion
of
our
spend.
Second,
our
inventory
build
and
supply
chain
to
support
our
global
launch
and
global
trials,
we
are
building
for
success
to
ensure
continuity
of
drug
supply
to
patients.
Third,
the
infrastructure
of
our
global
launch,
first
in
the
US,
then
Japan,
Europe
and
Canada.
And
finally,
our
continued
investment
in
our
discovery
engine
and
the
expansion
of
our
pipeline
through
our
immunology
innovation
program.
For
the
full
year
2021,
we
had
total
revenues
of
$497.3
million.
A
large
majority
of
this
was
due
to
income
from
collaboration's
primarily
– primarily
but
one-time
recognition
of
$315.1
million
following
the
termination
of
a
Janssen
collaboration
agreement,
and
our
cost sharing
and
milestone
payments
from
Zai
Lab
totaling
$177.5
million.
There
were
no
product
revenues
in
2021.
Other
operating
income
was
$42.1
million.
In
2021,
our
total
R&D
expenses
was
$580.5
million,
and
our
SG&A
expenses
was
$307.6
million.
As
I
mentioned
at
the
start,
you
can
find
additional
details
behind
these
numbers
in
the
press
release
we
issued
this
morning.
I'll now turn the call back to Tim.
Thanks,
Karl.
Before
I
conclude,
I'd
like
to
call
out
a
few
personal
updates.
You
saw
in
our
press
release
that
Yvonne
Greenstreet
will
be
leaving
our
board
following
her
promotion
to
CEO
at
Alnylam.
We
are
very
excited
for
Yvonne
and
want
to
express
our
gratitude
for
the
contributions
she
made
as
a
board
member.
We
also
announced
the
appointment
of
Malini
Moorthy,
the
General
Counsel
at
argenx.
This
was
a
planned
transition
and
aligns
closely
with
our
evolution
to
a
commercial
company.
Malini
has
worked
in
large
commercial
organizations
for
almost
two
decades
and
has
the
perfect
experience
to
help
us
navigate
this
new
stage
of
our
development.
And
finally,
we
are
nearing
April
the
1st
and
our
planned
CMO
transition
from
Wim
Parys
to
Luc
Truyen.
Wim
has
transformed
our
development
organization
over
the
past
three
years.
So
we
are
grateful
that
he
will
continue
with
argenx
as
an
advisor
on
our
board's
R&D
committee.
Luc
joined
argenx
six
months
ago
from
J&J
and
brings
significant
development
experience
in
the
neuromuscular
space.
We
are
excited
to
have
him
in
this
leadership
role.
Last
year
was a
remarkable
year
for
the
company
and
we're
off
to
a
great
start
in
2022.
Slide
14.
We
have
two
near-term
data
readouts,
first
ADAPT
subcu
this
month
and
then
ADVANCE
and
ITP
in
the
second
quarter.
By
the
end
of
the
first
quarter
of
2023,
we
also
expect
top
line
data
from
our
CIDP
trial
and
our
second
trial
in
ITP.
So
we're
not
short
of
upcoming
catalysts.
We
announced
in
our
press
release
this
morning
that
the
timing
of
the
top
line
data
from
the
pemphigus
trial
is
currently
under
review
in
light
of
the
geopolitical
situation
in
Ukraine.
While
exposure
is
limited
given
the
global
nature
of
the
trial,
we
cannot
reiterate
our
timelines
until
we
have
time
to
assess
the
situation
more
closely.
The BALLAD
trial
of
efgartigimod
and
BP
started
late
last
year
and
IQVIA in
myositis
will
start
imminently.
We
also
announced
four
new
efgartigimod
indications
that
we
will
start
evaluating
this
year,
including Sjogren's
and
COVID-19
mediated
parts
through
our
collaboration
with
IQVIA
and
membranous
nephropathy
and
lupus
nephritis
through
our
collaboration
with
Zai.
ARGX-117
is
now
in
our
first
patient
study
in
MMN,
and
we
are
excited
to
launch
a
trial
in
delayed
graft
function
later
this
year.
You
can
see
how
our
kidney
franchise
is
taking
shape.
Overall,
we
are
planning
for
success
and
building
up
commercial
franchises
that
will
enable
us
to
have
economies
of
scale
as
we
prepare
for
future
launches.
And
we
would not
be
argenx
if
we
did
not
continue
to
invest
in
our
science.
Slide
15.
We
will
be
advancing
ARGX-119
into
a
Phase
1
trial
after
our
CTAs
filed
later
this
year
and
through
our
IAP
there
are
more
programs
to
come.
Before
we
open
the
call
for
questions,
I
really
want
to
applaud
our
field
teams.
I
have
been
on
the
road
with
them
and
I'm
very
impressed.
It
is
thanks
to
their
teamwork
and
dedication
that
we
have
a
strong
start
to
our
launch,
[ph]
we
shared (00:24:05)
the
state
of
our
launch
in
these
early
days
and
we
look
forward
to
sharing
more
in
May.
Mostly,
I'm
excited
to
finally
be
reaching
patients
and
bringing
them
in
new
treatment
option.
This
is
honoring
a
commitment
we
have
long
made
to
the
gMG
community.
Thank
you
all
for
the
time
today.
We
will
now
take
your
questions.
[Operator Instructions]
Your
first
question
comes
from
the line
of
Derek
Archila
from
Wells
Fargo.
Your
line
is
open.
Hey,
good
morning,
guys,
and
congrats
on
the
progress.
Just
two
quick
questions
from
us,
I
guess, first,
based
on
what
you
guys
are
seeing
and
hearing
on
the
VYVGART
launch
and
myasthenia
gravis,
I
guess
are
you
still
pretty
comfortable
where
consensus
estimates
are
right
now?
And
then
just
a
quick
follow-up
on
the
ITP
study
that's
expected
in
the
second
quarter. Maybe
you
can
just
kind
of
frame
out
for
us
what
your
expectations
are
there
in
terms
of
the
primary
endpoint
and
where do
you
see
the
market
opportunity
for
efgartigimod
in
ITP?
Thanks.
Hello,
Derek.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
In
terms
of
revenue
projections,
we
are
not
going
to comment
on
the
revenue
projections
at
the
moment.
We
don't
we're
not
providing
our
own
forecast.
It
really
is
too
early
in
the
launch,
and
we
will
provide
guidance
later
on.
In
terms
of
analysts'
consensus,
as
you
know,
but
the
numbers
are
$97
million
for
the
full
year
for
US
revenues
and
$6
million
for
the
quarter.
Those
are
the
analysts'
consensus,
and
we
are
increasingly
comfortable
with
those
numbers.
So
on the
second
question,
Derek,
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
Remember
what
we
learned
in
the
Phase
2
clinical
trial,
but
also
what
we
could
see
in
other
ITP
trials
that
is
a
significant
placebo
effect
going
on
in
ITP
patients.
So
the
primary
endpoint
is
a
very
tough
endpoint.
It's an
endpoint
designed
to
completely
control
placebo,
having
in
four
out
of
six
consecutive
visits,
a
platelets
count
of
kind
of
50,000 platelets per
microliter
is
a
very
tall
bar.
So
the
primary
endpoint
is
really
designed
to
create
a
statistically
significant
delta
between
active
and
placebo.
The
full
color
on
the
qualities
of
the
molecule
in
ITP
and
its
potential
to
have
a
competitive
position
there
will
really
come
from
the
secondary
endpoints
where
we
will
study
things
like
cumulative
platelet
counts,
total
platelet
counts
of
the
period,
bleeding
effects,
quality
of
life
and
the
like.
And
that
should
basically
tell
us
where
we
could
fit
in
a
treatment
paradigm.
Maybe,
Keith,
you
can
comment
briefly
on
how
we
look
at
the
opportunity.
Yeah.
So,
Derek,
as
far
as
the
market
opportunity,
I
guess
I
would
call
out
the
TPO's
themselves
are
doing
more
than
$2
billion
in
revenue
a
year
globally.
And
really,
where
we
feel
the
opportunity
is,
is
we're
not going
to
displace
TPO.
We
would
like
to
play,
as
Tim
said
in
the
prepared
remarks,
right
after
the
first
TPO.
So
about
60%
of
patients
respond
to
TPO
and
about
50%
of
them
are
going
to
then
relapse.
That's
where
we
feel
that
efgartigimod
can
potentially
play
into
it
because
of
its
impact
on
the
disease
from
multiple
mechanisms
of
action.
So
it's
not
just
about
–
it's
not
just
about
creating
more
platelets.
It's
also
about
managing
the
clearance,
the
function
of
the
platelets.
So,
it
should
be
a
better
option
than
patients
rotating
for
one,
two
or
three
TPOs.
Got
it.
Thanks,
guys.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the line
of
Tazeen
Ahmad
from
Bank
of
America.
Your
line
is
open.
Hi, guys.
Good
morning.
Thanks
for
taking
my
question.
Just
a
clarification
one
for
the
upcoming
subcu
dataset
that's
due
this
quarter, assuming
that
the
data
shows
what
you
wanted
to
show,
can
you
just
walk
us
through
what
the
next
steps
would
be
in
terms
of
going
to
FDA?
And
when
you
think
you
could
file
for
what
I'm
assuming
would
be
an
FNDA?
Just
to
clarify
that.
Thank
you.
Or
an
FBLA?
Hi Tazeen,
this
is
Tim
speaking.
Thanks
for
joining
us
today
and
thank
you
for
your
question.
So,
in
the
United
States
specifically,
the
situation
with
the
FDA
is
that
the
subcu
product,
which
is
in
combination
with
the Halozyme's
ENHANZE technology,
is
considered
to
be
a
separate
product.
So,
this
is
not
going
to
be
an
FBLA.
It
will
be
its
own
BLA.
Therefore,
we
think
it's
also
its
own
distinct
product
presentation
we
will
be
able
to
position
in
the
marketplace.
Now,
that's
great
news
from
a
commercial
point
of
view.
From
a
workstream
point
of
view
to
its
submission,
we
still
anticipate
that
we
will
be
able
to
reuse
big
sections
of
the
IVBLA
really
into
that dedicated
subcu
BLA.
Thanks
for
the
question.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the line
of
Akash
Tewari
from
Jefferies.
Your
line
is
open.
Hey,
guys.
So,
a,
the
bolus
of
response
that
you
mentioned,
what
percent
of
early
scripts
have
been
these
ultra-refractory
patients
and
is
there
any
color you
can
give
us
on
sizing
up
that
market
opportunity?
Are
we
talking
about
a
1,000, 2,000 patients
here
or
something
more?
And
then
maybe
on
the
Principia
of
BTK,
which
misses
primary
and
secondary
endpoint
in
pemphigus,
Sanofi
hinted
that
was
due
to
the
high
placebo
response
given
the
placebo
arm
also
received
steroids?
Yeah,
I'll
take
the
first
question.
So,
Akash,
in
regard
to
what
we
referenced
in
the
prepared
remarks
–
did
we
lose?
No.
Okay.
Akash,
in
response
to
the
severe
relapse –
relapsed
refractory
that
we've
seen
start
in
so
far
in
this
first
eight
weeks,
I
think
it
was
a
little
bit
of
a
surprise.
These
are
patients
that
have
experienced
really
all
other
therapies
that
are
available,
including and up to
C5
and
they
have
not
responded.
And
so
they
have
come
on
to
VYVGART.
So
I
think
that
was
a
little
bit
of
pent-up
demand
that
was
a
surprise
to
us.
The
question
is,
is
this
just
going to
be
in
the
early
days
because
these
are
the
patients
that
have
had
no
success
with
any
other
therapy?
Okay.
Sorry.
Can
you guys
hear
me?
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sorry
about
that.
So
look
on
the
Sanofi,
the
BTK
failing
in
pemphigus.
Can
you
just
comment
on
in
the
primary
endpoint
patients
in
the
placebo
arm
got
tapered
down
to
minimal
steroids?
They
didn't
go
completely
off
the
drug. Do
you
feel
like
that's
a
risk
for
your
studies,
given
it
looks
like
steroids
in
combination
with
VYVGART
was
kind
of
driving
some of
the
complete
responses
in
your
Phase
2
data?
Thank
you.
Thank
you, Akash.
So
difficult
for
us
to
comment
on,
you
know,
why
the
Phase
3
trial
of
Principia
failed.
Mind
you,
they
failed
over
the
entire
line,
right?
Not
just
the
primary
endpoint,
but
also
the
secondary
endpoints.
I
think
we
did
our
homework
well.
When
we
designed
our
clinical
trial,
we
have
been
talking
to
typically
those
KOLs,
who
were
deeply
involved
in
pemphigus
trials,
including
the
Principia
trail and
rituximab
trial.
So
we
think
we
have
been
avoiding
some
of
the
classical
pitfalls in
clinical
trial
design
in
pemphigus.
We
are
in
a
steroid
taping
protocol
that
is
a
notoriously
difficult
protocol,
but
we're
on
top
of
it,
so
we
carefully
monitor
the
steroid
tapering.
So
that
goes
according
to
protocol.
Mind
you,
that
the
mode
of
action
between
the
BTK
inhibitor
and
efgartigimod
are
totally
different
right,
I
mean,
we're
not
impacting
a
B
cell
repertoire,
hoping
to
see
a
downstream
effect
on
allergies
and
disease
states.
We're
really
hitting
the
disease
biology
in
its
heart.
So
we
have
pretty
exciting
data
from
the
Phase
2
study
that
if
you
eliminate
these
pathogenic
IgGs,
you
can
put
patients
into
a
complete
remission,
actually,
a
number
of
them
very
durable
remissions.
And
stay
tuned,
I
think
at
the
upcoming
[ph]
SSID (00:32:31)
conference
later
this
year,
we
will
continue
to
show
very
strong
data
for
our
molecule
in
pemphigus.
Thanks
for
the
question.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the line
of
Yaron
Werber
from
Cowen.
Your
line
is
open.
Great,
thanks
for
taking
my
question.
I
got
an
inter-related
question
on
the
upcoming
data
for
ADAPT
subcu.
We're
getting
a
lot
of
questions
on
it.
Perhaps
the
first
one,
the
– you've
over
enrolled
that
study. So
could
you
– disclose
closed the
enrollment
with 111
patients
or
so,
you
only
needed
50
really
to
support
the
BLA
filing.
Are
all
111
going
to be
included
in
the
primary
and
the
secondary
endpoints?
That's
the
first
question
at
day
29,
and
IgG
reduction.
And
then
secondly,
for
the
secondary
endpoints
on
MG-ADL,
and
which
you're
looking
at
a
12
weeks,
are
you
going
to
–
do
you
think
you're
statistically
powered
now
with
111
patient
to show a
difference.
Thank
you.
Thanks,
Yaron.
I'm happy
we
can
clarify
this.
So
there
are
two
objectives
we
need
to
meet
right
in
this
study.
First
is
we
need
to
hit
the
primary
endpoint
which
is
all
about
demonstrating
non-inferiority
between
IV and
subcu
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
believe
that
with
50
patients
we
sufficiently
powered.
Now
the
second
objective
we
need
to
meet
is
to
basically
collect
the
minimum
database
size
which
we
require
for
this
separate
BLA
submission.
And
in
that
context,
you
need
to
see
what
you
called
it
all
recruitment
111
patients.
These
patients,
together
with
the
patients
to
be rolled
over
from
the
open
label
extension
study
from
IV
to
subcu
together
will
be
a
sufficient
number
of
patients
and
to
go
into
the
safety
database.
So
once
we
have
both
data
points,
the
primary
endpoint
and
the
safety
data
point,
we
will
be
able
to
go
into
submission.
On
the
secondary
endpoints
in
the
trial,
yes,
we
are
collecting
information
on
the
ADL
and
QMG,
but
this
will
be
more
qualitative
information
because
you're
right.
This
study
is
only
powered
to
hit
its
primary
endpoint.
We
are
collecting,
of
course,
further
color
and
evidence
from
both
the
ADL and
the
QMG
score,
but
it's
all
about
showing
a
non-inferior
IgG
reduction.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the line
of
Joon
Lee
from
Truist
Securities.
Your
line
is
open.
Hi.
Thanks
for
taking
our
questions
and
congrats
on
all
the
progress.
Is
ADDRESS
study
for
pemphigus
the
only
study
that's
exposed
to
Eastern
European
sites
including
Ukraine
or
your
other
studies
such
as ADVANCE
or
ADHERE
also
enroll
from
Ukrainian
sites,
but
maybe
not
impacted
due
to
the
broader
geographic
enrollment?
And
I
have
a
quick
follow-up.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Joon.
So
all of
our
trials,
by
definition,
are
global
trials.
So
these
are
all
rare
indications
that
all
spread
over
the
globe,
and
that
turns
out
to
be
a
strength.
When
things
hit
you
like
COVID,
a
COVID
pandemic
or
in
this
case,
a
geopolitical
issue,
so
exposure
is
always
going to
be
relatively
limited
to
whatever
study
you're
talking
about.
For pemphigus,
we're
in
a
slightly
different
position
because
our
incidence
and
prevalence
is
a
little
bit
tied
to
geography.
I
mean,
you
see
different
pockets
of
patients
and
therefore,
we
have
a
slightly
higher
exposure
in
Ukraine
and
Russia
and
that's
also
why
we
felt
compelled
to
give
you
a
heads
up
on
the
data
readout
for pemphigus.
In
the
ITP
subcu
and
the
CIDP
study,
exposure
is
minimal,
and
we
have
time
to
rebalance
without
having
to
change
anything
concerning
timelines.
For pemphigus, we
are
currently
going
through
the
risk
analysis,
and
we
will
be
able
to
give
you
an
update,
probably
in
the
next
quarterly
earnings
call.
Great.
Please,
your
second
question.
Yes,
you
have
a
lot
of
trials
underway,
which
is
obviously
reflected
in
your
R&D
spend.
Hopefully,
many
will
succeed,
but
it's
unlikely
that
all
will
succeed,
similar
to
what
happened
with
the
[indiscernible]
(00:36:42)
population.
So
do
you
have
any
plans
to
partner
with
an
AI
company
to
analyze
the
rich
clinical
dataset
that you're
generating
and
to
identify
certain
biological
signatures
to
improve
the
odds
of
your
clinical
success
and
we're
just
asking
because
we've
been
talking
to
a
lot
of
AI
companies
with
autoimmune
focus
and
reducing
clinical
risks
using
AI
seems
to
be
the
focus
of
many
companies
and
just
curious
your
thoughts
on
that,
since
you
have
a
lot
of
trials
ongoing.
Thank
you.
It's
a
great
question,
Joon
and
whilst
we're
not
deeply
engaged
within
AI,
we
are
following
similar
strategies.
So
first
of
all,
these
are
all
rare
diseases
and
there
are
not
too
many
precedent
trials
out
there
or
too
many
data
you
could
mine
in
an
intelligent
way.
That
is
a
challenge.
So
we
do
talk
to
experts
extensively
when
we
design
our
clinical
trials
trying
to
make
the
studies
as
diverse
as
possible
when
it
comes
to
inclusion
exclusion
criteria.
Also, when
it
comes
to
our
go/no-go
decision
points
somewhere
in
these
trials
where
you
have
the
ability,
for
example,
to
further
tweak
certain
aspects
of
the
registrational
part
of
the
studies.
Similar
to
what
we
did
in
CIDP,
we're
doing
that
in
BP
trial.
We're
doing
that
in
the
basket
trial
in
myositis.
So
I
think
we
find
our
ways
to
risk
mitigate
these
studies
in
an
intelligent
way.
Still
I
think
I'd
like
to
comment,
these
are
still
clinical
experiments,
which
all
have
their
own
intrinsic
risks
associated.
Thanks
for
the
question.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the line
of
Yatin
Suneja
from
Guggenheim
Partners.
Your
line
is
open.
Hey,
guys,
thank
you
for
taking
my
question.
So
question
is
on
the
patient
population,
so
when
you
talk
about
the
17,000
the
gMG
patients
that
you
are
targeting,
can
you
maybe
help
us
subcategories
these
patients.
It
is
our
understanding
that
there
are
different
categories
within
these
17,000,
and
some
might
be
more
or
might
be
easier
patient
to
get
early in
the
launch curve,
like
patients
who
are
on
chronic
IVIg,
maybe
Soliris
non-responder.
So
if
you
can
just
give
us
a
flavor
of
what
exactly
you
are
seeing
in
these
buckets,
how
big
are
these
buckets,
and
how
should
we
expect
some
of
these
buckets
that
are
maybe
first
to
come
to
your
therapy.
So
that's the
first
question.
And
the
second
one
and
last
right
now
is
on
the
J
code,
can
you
also
talk
about
what
a
limitation
it
might
be
having,
if
any,
at
this
point
and
how
that
dynamic
would
change
once
you
once
you
get
it
in
Q3,
so
two
questions
for
me.
Thanks.
Great.
Well,
thank
you for
the
question,
Yatin.
First
of
all,
what
I'd
say
is
the
patient
population
that
we
are
seeing
that
is
adapting
VYVGART
in
this
early
period,
this
first
eight
weeks
is
really
aligned
with
the
ADAPT
trial.
It
is
really
across
the
treatment
spectrum.
As
I
mentioned,
we
are
getting
some
relapsed
refractory
patients.
We've
also
had
some
from
IVIg.
But
typically
when
you
look
at
that
target
population
of 17,000,
these
are
patients
that
have
tried
[ph]
myasthenia
(00:39:56)
many
times
they've
had
a
steroid
added
and
many
of
them
have
also
gone
on
an
off
label
broad
IST.
And
we
have
seen
each
of
those
types
of
patients
experience
VYVGART
in
the
early
stages
of
the
launch.
As
far
as
your
second
question
on
the
J
code
and
the
limitations,
what
the J
code
basically
does,
it's
in
the
buy-and-bill
situation
and
it
is
putting
more
work
on
the
office
to
get
reimbursed.
It's
not
that
it
makes
it
where
it
cannot
be
reimbursed
because
we
are
having
product
reimbursed
in
buy-and-bill
setting.
It
just
may
add
an
extra
step
of
going
through
an
appeal
process,
and
it
puts
more
work
on
the
office
staff.
You
also
have
a
limited
number
of
offices
that
actually
elect
not
to
prescribe
a
product,
why
they
don't
have
a
J
code
because
they
don't
want
to put
the
extra
work
on
the
office.
I
think
the
last
thing
that
we
need
to
remember
is
unlike
an
oncology
setting,
your
buy-and-bill
market
in
neurology
is
smaller
than
what
you
see
in
[indiscernible]
(00:40:56) and
it's
really
in
that
buy-and-bill
where
you
see
the
J
code
impact.
But
we
expect
to
have
our
own
individualized
J
code
in
quarter
three.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the
line
of
James
Gordon
from
JPMorgan.
Your
line
is
open.
Hello,
James
Gordon, JPMorgan. Thanks
for
taking
the
questions.
The
first
question
was
just,
so
with
regard
to
MG.
How
important
do you
think
first
mover
status
is
and
formulation
relative
to
other FcRns
in
MG?
And
I
also
want
to
ask whether
UCB are going to present their roza FcRn
Phase
3
data
at
ALL
next
month.
And
they
talked
very
confidently about
how
they're going
to
present
data
that
shows
it's
very
competitive versus VYVGART.
So,
do
you
think
there
are
areas
where
they
could
actually be
competitive
or
given
the
first
mover
advantage
formulation
of
other
aspects,
et
cetera?
Other
areas
where
there
could
be
a
risk
factor?
How
are
you
feeling
about
that
? The
first
question.
I'll
ask
a
follow-up
now,
which
was
just
on
Russia-Ukraine
disruption,
and
I
think
the
comment
on
PV
and
potential
delays
there.
But
the
ITP
subcu
trial
looks like
it's
got
quite
a
lot of rush inside.
And
I
think
about
a
third of
the
sites
that
are
out
there
in
Russia.
So
is
there
a
risk
that
that
study
is
also
going
to
be
disrupted
and
delayed?
Or
is
it
more
of
an issue
if
it's
Ukraine
versus
Russia?
Yeah.
Let me
start with
the
second
question
first,
and
I'm
happy
to
hand
over
to
Keith
to
talk
about
our
competitive
position
in
the
MG
landscape.
It's
still
just
about
the
sites
which
you
can
see
on
clinicaltrials.gov,
but
it's
about
the
actual
number
of
patients
which
actually
have
been
enrolled
through
this
sites.
So,
when
we
look
at
the
real
situation,
which
is
actual
number
of
patients,
we
feel
that
the
subcu
study
for
efgartigimod
in
ITP
is
perfectly
under
control,
I
would
say
that
indeed
there
is
somewhat
more
exposure
in
the
pemphigus
trial.
So,
maybe
we
will
have
to
overcompensate that
in
some
of
the
sites
that
is
analysis
which
is
ongoing.
And
so,
I
don't
think
there's
any
reason
to
change
the
guidance
on
readouts
timing
for
the
ITP
subcu
custody
or
the
CIDP
subcu
custody.
Maybe
Keith
you
want
to
comment
on
how
we
look
at
our
competitive
position
in
the
MG
landscape.
Sure.
So
James,
first
of
all,
I
think
it's
premature
to
comment
anything
on
the
Phase
3
data
because
we
haven't
seen
any
specific
data
at
all.
As far
as
the first
mover advantage,
I
think
that the
opportunity
that
exists
with
VYVGART
is
based
on
the
data
itself.
Let
start
with the
efficacy.
Between
the
first
and
second
cycle
almost
8
out
of
every
10 patients
that
experienced
VYVGART
are
going
to
have
a
clinically
meaningful
response.
We
also
have
a
very
rapid
onset
of
action
with
84%
of
them
responding
within
the
first
two
weeks
and
the
minimal
symptom
expression,
sending
these
patients
to
where
they
have
no
symptoms
at
all.
Right
now,
it's
the
highest
number
that's
been
recorded
in
a
clinical
trial.
Secondly,
take
a
look
at
the
package
insert
that
we
have.
It
is
very
clean.
The
safety
profile,
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
we're
hearing
from
the
physicians
that
are
prescribing.
They're
impressed
about
this.
There's
no
premeditation.
There's
no
black
box
warning
and
the
safety
is
riding
up
through
all
of
our
studies.
The
last
thing
I
would
say
is
individualized
dosing.
We
are
providing
convenience
to
patients
when
they
can
take
advantage
of
the
individualized
dosing.
And
so
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is
we've
set
the
bar
high,
but
let's
wait
and
see
data.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the line
of
Matthew
Harrison
from
Morgan
Stanley.
Your
line
is
open.
Great.
Good
morning. Thanks
for
taking
the
questions.
I
guess
two
for
me.
One,
I don't
know
if
you're
willing,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
hear
what
you're
sort
of
seeing
on
a
month
over
month
basis?
Are
you
seeing
patients
accelerate
or
not?
Just
so
we
can
get
some
sense
of
how
you're
thinking
about
the
bolus.
And
then
second
question,
just
because
I
think
a
lot
of
us
haven't
seen
a
Japan
launch
before.
Can
you
give
us
some
sense
of
whether
or
not
you
think
Japan
can be
a
meaningful
contributor
this
year?
And
just
given
the
commentary
around
when
you
get
the
price,
but
the
fact
that
it
sounds
like
you
can
already
start
to
line
up
patients?
Thanks
very
much.
Yeah.
Hey,
Matthew.
Thanks,
thanks
very
much
for
the
question.
So
as
far
as
what
we're
seeing
on
a
month
over
month
basis,
we've
only
had
eight
weeks.
So
it's
really
tough
to
give
you
a
month
over
month
basis.
I
can
tell
you
that
we're
– what
we're
seeing
in
patient
demand,
it's
been
gradual,
and
it's
been
consistent.
I
think
that
we
have
prepared
well
in
ADVANCE
on
each
of
those
strategic
imperatives.
And
I
think
the
team
is
out
there
executing
on
each
of
the
areas,
whether
it's
the
patient
awareness,
the
healthcare
professionals
or
the
payers.
I'm
also
really
pleased
with
the
progress
that
we
have
through
My
VYVGART
Path,
because
when
you
have
a
brand
new
first
in
class
product
with
a
brand
new
mechanism
of
action,
there
does
take
some
pull
through
to
turn
demand
into
actual
infused
patients.
So
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
patient
trends
when
we
actually
get
to
a
first
quarter
earnings
call.
As
far
as your
second
question
about
the
Japan
launch,
again,
I'm
going to
advise
on
a
very
gradual,
consistent
growth
because
we
run
into
the
same
issue
that
exists
in
the
United
States
and
that
is
education
on
a
first
ever
mechanism
of
action.
And
also,
I
would
call
out
to
you
that
the
number
of
clinical
trial
sites
that
we
had
in
Japan
is
smaller
than
what
we
even
experienced
in
the
US.
So
I
wouldn't
think
of
you
have
a
bolus
of
patients
that
are
set
to
go.
Now
one
thing
that
we
do
have
different
in
Japan,
I
remind
you
that
in
the
approval
that
we
received
in
January,
the
Japan
label
will
include
zero
negative
patients.
Your
next
question
comes
from the
line
of
Allison
Bratzel
from
Piper
Sandler.
Your
line
is
open.
Hi,
good
morning.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
question.
So
just
one
on
the
source
of
the
[ph]
patients, (00:46:57)
having
sat through
some
of
the gMG
patient
webinars
about VYVGART.
It
seems
like
there's
definite
interest
not
just
in
switching
from
IVIg,
but
surprisingly
in
switching
from
Soliris
as
well,
so
I
know
it's
early
days,
but
does
that
match,
what
you're
seeing
in
the
field?
And
then
I
guess
just
to
the
extent
that
you
are
seeing
patients
having
an
interest
in
switching
from
Soliris
to
VYVGART,
what's
the
primary
driver
or
reason
behind
that
from
a
patient
and neurologist
point
of
view
and
just
how
do you
expect
that
dynamic
to
evolve
when
Ultomiris
gets
a
gMG
label
mid-year?
Thanks.
Yeah. So
thank
you
for
the
question,
Allison.
I
guess
the
first
thing
that
I
would
say
is
it's
too
early
to
predict
a
trend,
because
we're
talking
about
individual
patients.
And
as
you
know,
in
rare
disease,
every
single
patient
is
different.
And
we
also
know
just
from
the
data
that
you're
not
going
to
get
every
single
patient
to
respond
to
a
therapy.
You
can
go
back
and
look
at
the
REGAIN
study
or
the
data
that
was
released
on
Ultomiris.
So
regardless
of
what
product
the
patient
has
gone
on,
you're
going
to have
a
part
of
that
population
that
is
not
going
to
respond.
And
when
they
have
not
responded,
they're
going
to
look
for
other
options.
And
that's
what's
happened
with
VYVGART
becoming
another
tool
to
place
in
the
box
of
the
healthcare
professionals.
Your
next
question
comes
from the
line
of
Douglas
Tsao
from
H.C.
Wainwright.
Your
line
is
open.
Hi,
good
morning
and
thanks
for
taking
the
questions.
I'm
just
curious
on
the
ADAPT
NXT
trial,
did
you
start
that
sort
of
based
on
any
sort
of
questions
from
providers
to
provide
clarity
in
terms
of
the
sort
of
dosing
regimens
and
have
you
gotten
an
early
sense
about
how
physicians
are
going
to
implement
the
individualized
dosing
that
you
have
in
the
label?
Thank
you.
Yeah.
So
Douglas, we
have
been
working
with
a
group
of
KOLs
for
better
than
two
years
now.
It's
been
since
the
Phase
2
data
that
we
discuss
the
concept
of
individualized
dosing.
It
first
came
from
the
patients
when
we
shared
with
them
the
Phase
2
data,
and
they
love
the
idea
of
the
cycles,
and
they
love
the
idea
of
having
the
time
off
therapy.
We
then
went
and
discussed
this
with
the
KOLs,
and
they've
seen
the
data
and
they're
very
pleased
with
it.
The
question
that
they
had
is
what
if
I
require
somebody
that
might
need
a
little
bit
more
consistent
dosing?
And
what
we
always
aim
to
do
is
to
be
able
to
have
data
based
answers,
and
that's
basically
what
this
trial
has
been
set
up
for.
I
think
the
other
way
to
look
at
this
is,
look,
we
have
a
long
term
commitment
to
the
MG
space
and
what
we
want
to
offer
MG
patients
around
the
globe
is
the
most
complete
offering
and
the
way
you
have
to
understand
the
most
complete
offering
is
maximum
flexibility
from
a
dosing
point
of
view.
This
is
a
snowflake
disease.
Every
MG
patient
is
different.
You
cannot
basically
take
them
to
the
same
standard
approach.
And
we
also
want
to
have
flexibility
from
a
product
presentation
point
of
view.
There
are
different
preferences
and
needs
out there
in
the
market
for
both
an
IV
product
and
a
subcu
products.
So
look
at
it
through
this
lens.
Okay.
Great.
And
again,
one
follow-up.
Just
in
the
early
days,
have
you
had
any
sort
of
color
on
how
docs
are
implementing
with the
individualized
dosing?
Yeah. So
I
mean,
first
of
all,
they
like
the
idea
of
the
individualized
dosing.
They
like
the
idea
of
only
treating
a
patient
when
they
need
therapy.
They
also
like
the
idea
of
the
data
that
they've
seen
in
what
percentage
of
patients.
As
you
know,
during
the
launch,
we
shared
with
you
that
58%
of
patients
require
five
cycles
or
fewer.
The
questions
that
they've
had
is
how
should
they
start
the
patient
and
how
do I
figure
out,
how
to
get
the
individualized
dose
that
my
patient
needs?
And
a
lot
of
them
have
taken
a
look
at
how
they
utilizes
off-label
IVIG
to
treat
MG,
and
that
is
basically
let's
get
our
patient
into
response
and
get
that
patient
to
the
maximum
response
that
we
can
have.
And
then
as
we
have
the
patient
in
response
based
on
the
label,
it's
their
clinical
evaluation
and
their
discussion
with
the
patient
on
how
they
stretch
that
interval
out.
And
that's
what
we've
seen
happen
in
the
open
label
extension,
and
that's
what
we'll
see
happen
in
the
real
world.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the line
of
Danielle
Brill
from
Raymond
James.
Your
line
is
open.
Hi,
guys,
good
morning.
Congrats
on
the
progress
and
thanks
so
much
for
the
questions.
I
have
a
couple
on
ITP.
Can
you
mention
placebo
responses
are
common,
but
I
believe
the
placebo
response
rate
was
actually
pretty
low
in
[ph]
Rigel's (00:51:53)
program,
are
there
specific
differences
in
the
population
[ph]
they
enrolled
versus (00:51:57)
those
in
ADVANCE
that
might
explain
this?
And
then
in
their
Phase
3
publication
they
showed
efficacy
was
much
lower
in
patients
who
are
antibody
negative.
I'm
just
wondering
how
we
should
think
about
potential
risk
of
including
antibody
negative
patients
in
ADVANCE.
Thank
you.
Thank
you, Danielle. [Technical Difficulty] (00:52:15)
some
questions.
So
first
of
all,
the
reason
the
placebo
response
was
low
in
the
[ph] Rachel (00:52:19)
trial
is
because
they
basically
have
used
a
similar
endpoint
as
the
one
we're
using.
So
we
have
been
studying
that
trial
in
detail.
They
also
had
an
adjustable
platelet
response
requirement.
So
unlike
the
PPO
registration
trials
where
after a
certain period of
treatment,
it
was
sufficient
to
be
at
50,000
platelets
are
higher
on
a
specific
day.
They
built
in
the
durability
requirement,
and
you
can
indeed
see
how
effective
that
has
been
in
knocking
down
the
placebo.
I
think
in
one
trial
they
had
0%
response.
And
then
in
another
trial,
they
had
something
like
a
1%
response
in
placebo
and
basically
was
trying
to
achieve
similar
numbers
on
placebo
by
applying
similarly
stringent
endpoint.
Now
this
story
on
antibody
negative
patients,
I
don't
think
that
exists.
I
mean
all
ITP
patients.
Primary
ITP
patients
do
have
autoantibodies
styling
the
platelets.
The
issue
is
what
test
you
use
to
analyze
the
antibody
levels
and
what
the
sensitivity
is,
what
the
detection
limit
is
for
these
patients.
So
for
example,
in
our
Phase
2
trial,
we
use
a
more
sophisticated
method
where
we
basically
harvest
platelets,
we
strip
the
autoantibodies
from
the
platelets
and
then
we
semi
quantify
them,
100%
of
the
patients
actually
is
autoantibody
positive.
So
if
you
have
a
true
primary
ITP
patient,
that
patient
will
have
platelet
associated
autoantibodies.
Thank
you
for
the
questions.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the line
of
Jason
Butler
from
JMP
Securities.
Your
line
is
open.
Hi,
thanks
for
taking
the
question.
Just
one
from
me
on
reimbursement,
I'm
just
looking
forward
to
the
subcu
products,
given
that
that
products
in
VYVGART
will
be
distinct.
Will
the
value
based
agreements
in
place
for
VYVGART
expand
immediately
on
approval
for
the
subcu subgroup
product?
Or
do
you
need
to
go
through
another
process
because
they're
distinct
products?
And
then
same
question
essentially
for
the
J
code
part of
the
equation,
will
you
need
to
get
a
separate
J
code
for
the
subcu
products?
And
while
you
wait
for
it,
will
the
J
code
you
have
in
place
for
VYVGART
help
in
any
way?
Thanks.
Yeah,
Jason,
thank
you
for
the
questions.
So,
first
of
all,
you
know,
the
work
that
we
did
with
payers
in
ADVANCE
by
putting
them
under
CDA
prior
to
even
having
approval
of
VYVGART.
And
that's
when
we
discussed
all
of
the
data
with
them,
including
what
we
saw
on
the
distribution
on
the
number
of
cycles
per
year,
we
looked
at
the
patient
population.
We
know
that
the
IV
was
weight
based
dose.
And
so
we
really
discussed
them
what
would
make
sense
in
regard
to
a
value-based
agreement
with
them.
We
have
not
yet
made
the
decision
on
exactly
how
we
will
handle
as
we
have
the
approval
for
subcu
but
in
a
true
collaboration
goal
that
we've
had
with
our
IV
launch,
we
will
be
out
with
these
same
payers
in
ADVANCE
of
a
subcu
approval
to
determine
what
will
be
the
best
method
to
take
considering
it
will
be
a
separately
branded
product.
Secondly,
you
asked
the
question
about
the
J
code.
I
think
that
once
you
have
a
subcu
product
that
would
be
available
for
patients
to
give
themself
a
simple
single
injection
at
home,
you're
going
to
see
by
far
the
majority
of
that
subcu
product
acquired
through
specialty
pharmacy.
And
so
that's
not
going
to come
into
play
with
the
J
code
to
the
same
level
that
you're
seeing
with
a
buy
and
bill
infusion
IV
product.
Your
next
question
comes
from the
line
of
Joel
Beatty
from
Baird.
Your
line
is
open.
Hi. Thanks
for
taking
the
questions.
First
one
is,
can
you
describe
how
the
patient
experience
has
been
from
the
time
of
prescription
of
VYVGART
to
actually
starting
on
therapy
such
as
what
percent
of
prescriptions
are
being
filled
right
now
and
how
long
it
takes
to
start
on
drug
? Then
the
second
question
is
what
is
the
status
of
VYVGART
being
added
to
treatment
guidelines
for
gMG?
Yeah, so
first, let's
talk
about
the
experience
from
the
time
that
the
script
was
wrote
to
the
time
that
the
patient
is
infused
and
the
reality
of
it
is
you
have
a
brand
new
product
that's
out
and
available.
And
what
we're
– what
we're
seeing
is
on
a
patient
by
patient
basis.
It
completely
depends
upon
who
their
insurer
is.
What
we
do
know
as
we
don't
have
a
J
code,
as
you've
heard
in
the
prepared
remarks,
the
policies
that
are
being
prepared
by
the
payers,
we
have
about
25%
of
covered
lives
that
have
policies
in
place
right
now.
So
the
process
going
from
demand
to
actual
infusions
in
some
cases
is
longer.
We
expect
this
to
shorten
over
time.
But
I'm
really
proud
of
the
team
at
my
VYVGART
our
nurse
case
managers,
our
case
coordinators
and
our
field
reimbursement
managers
who
are
working
on
every
single
case
to
make
sure
that
we
can
shorten
the
time
to
the
best
of
our
ability.
So
what
was
the
second
question,
please?
VYVGART
being
incorporated into
treatment
guidelines
for
general.
We're
eight
weeks
into
this
initial
launch
and
really,
it's
too
early
to
say.
Right
now,
the
only
thing
I
can
say
is
the
treatment
guidelines
of
where
we
are
seeing
patients
that
are
being
prescribed.
VYVGART
is
aligned
with
ADAPT,
so
it's
not
necessarily
severe
relapsed
refractory.
In
some
cases,
it's
much
earlier
in
the
treatment
paradigm.
But
I'm
sure
we
will
see
more
treatment
guidelines
over
time
as
the
market
matures.
Your
next
question
comes
from
the line
of
Manos
Mastorakis
from
Deutsche
Bank.
Your
line
is
open.
Yes,
hello.
Thank you
for
the question.
So,
yeah,
you
alluded
to
that
already
very
briefly.
But
I
just
want
to
better
understand
your
latest
perspective
on
clinical
differentiation
to
competitors
such
as
[indiscernible]
(00:58:26)
may
be
coming
in
the
future,
as
well
as
competitive
risk
from
broader
use
C5
inhibitors
in
MG
if
Ultomiris
is
approved.
And
a
follow-up
question,
Is
what
would
your
expectations
be
for
the
Phase
3
ITP
data
and
the
clinical
positioning
as
well
in
ITP?
The
elements we
mentioned.
So
let's
start
with
the
biology,
right.
I
mean,
we're
a
science
based.
We
follow
biology.
Myasthenia
Gravis
is
truly
an
IgG
mediated
disease.
So
the
pathogenic
IgG
antibodies
are
very
well-known.
We
also
know
what
they
do
at
the
neuromuscular
junction
by
binding
acetylcholine
receptors
or
other
building
blocks
of
the
junction.
They
will
basically
prevent
signaling
through
the
acetylcholine
receptors.
They
will
basically
crosslink,
internalize
and
make
the
receptor
unavailable
for
signaling,
and
they
will
also
recruit
components.
So
definitely
complement
this
one
of
the
several
pathogenic
modes
of
action
of
these
autoantibodies.
And
by
nature
of
the
disease
biology,
if
you
clear
the
autoantibody,
you
will
of
course,
eliminate
complement
recruitment
to
the
junction.
But
you
will
also
effectively
take
care
of
the
older
pathogenic
modes
of
action
of
these
autoantibodies.
So
with
upstream
of
any
complement
blocker.
And
I
think
we
have
a
more
complete
blockade
of
the
disease
biology
in
the
pinnacle
of
data
support
that
has
got
taken
what
has
shown
the
highest
ever
clinical
efficacy
in
any
clinical
trial.
What
about
the
differentiation
within
the
FcRn
class?
I
think
it's
extremely
important.
You
guys
remember
that
not
all
FcRns
are
made
equal.
I
think
during
our
R&D
day
in
the
July,
session
last
year,
we
articulated
key
elements
of
differentiation.
This
is
not
just
a
high
affinity
monoclonal
antibody
targeting
a
target
like
FcRn,
this
is
a
uniquely
designed
ligand
of
FcRn
coming
with
its
own
unique
properties
in
complex
with
FcRn.
I
think
we
demonstrated
some
pretty
fundamental
biological
differentiation,
which
is
again
has
the
potential
to
translate
into
best-in-class
efficacy,
best-in-class
safety
and
convenience. So
as
Keith
said, let's
wait for
safety and
convenience. So
as
Keith
said,
let's
wait
for
the
data.
I
think
we've
put
the
bar
very
high
with
close
to
80%
response
rate
over
the
first
two
treatment
cycles.
And
by
the
way,
response
is
a
very
stringent
definition,
right,
in
four
consecutive
visits
having
a
total
of
two
points
or
more
on
the
ADL
scale.
I
think
if
you
look
at
a
safety
profile,
we
have
shown
unique
interaction
with
FcRn
and
therefore
also
probably
a
very
clean
safety
profile,
which
can
be
unique
and
differentiated.
And
then
on
the
topic
of
convenience,
the
individualized
dosing,
that's
where
we're
going
into
in
this
space.
Also,
the
offering
with
both
IV
and
subcu
I
think
is
giving
maximum
flexibility
to
patients.
So
I
think
we're
well-positioned
to
compete
in
the
FcRn
class.
With
regards to
ITP,
what
to
expect
the
way
we
talk
about
the
first
of
the
two
registration
trials
is
the
primary
endpoint
is
truly
designed
to
create
a
statistically
meaningful
difference
between
active
arm
and
placebo
arm.
There's
not
much
more
to
it
than
that,
but
we
have
gone
to
great
lengths
to
craft
secondary
endpoints,
which
will
give
the
full
opportunity
to
efgartigimod
to
shine
in
an
ITP
indication.
We
will
learn
a
lot
about
cumulative
platelet
counts
in
these
patients,
platelet
counts
over
the
entire
study
period,
the
resulting
bleeding
events,
quality
of
life,
do
not
forget
this
is
a
severe
autoimmune
disease,
it's
much
worse
than
just
a
platelet
count
of
bleeding
issue.
These
patients
suffer
from
debilitating
fatigue,
depression,
anxiety.
And
then,
of
course,
we
want
to
get
some
further
safety
information
on
efgartigimod
in
these
patients.
So
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
to
eat
out
in
this
trial,
but
the
primary
endpoint
is
all
about
hitting
statistically
significant
differentiation
from
placebo.
And
your
final
question
comes
from
the line
of
Charles
Pitman
from
Redburn.
Your
line
is
open.
Hi,
Charles
Pitman
from
Redburn.
Thank
you very much
for taking
my
questions
sneaking
in
the
end
here.
So
first
is
a
clarifying
question
for
Keith.
Could
you
provide
a
little
– a
little
more
detail
on
your
definition
of
broad
coverage
for
the
US
payers?
And
can
we
assume
this
could
mean
over
50%
of
covered
lives?
And
then
just
secondly,
a
question
for
Karl,
could
you
give
us
just
a
little
bit
more
guidance
on
how
you're
thinking
about
the
COGS
for
VYVGART
and
the
split
between
your
operating
expense
lines
for
2022?
Or
should
we
expect
guidance
to
be
provided
at
1Q
once
the
launch
has
progressed
a
little more?
Thanks.
Yeah,
Charles,
thanks for
the
question.
So
when
we
talk
about
broad
coverage,
remember
we
work
already
with
the
six
national
payers,
and
we
were
before
the
launch,
but
you
also
have
large
regional
papers
that
we're
working
with.
And
so
that's
why
we
said
by
end
of
Q2
because
the
team
is
out
working
with
the
regional
payers
on
the
policies
that
are
being
put
in
place
there.
So
quite
frankly,
giving
the
metric
this
early
of
25%
of
covered
lives,
covered
commercial
lives
at
eight
weeks
in
is
pretty
good.
So
when
I
think
of
broad
coverage,
I'm
not
prepared
to
give
you
a
target,
but
I
do
feel
safe
enough
to
say
I'm
talking
about
greater
than
50%
of
commercial
lives.
And
thank
you Charles
for
the
question.
In
terms
of
guidance,
we
do
not
plan
to
give
guidance
in
2022.
So
no –
don't
expect
anything
in
Q1.
In
terms
of
COGS,
we're
not
specific
on
the
COGS,
but
you
can
expect
it
to
be
the
same
as
a
typical
biologic.
And
in
terms
of
a
split
on
the
– our
expenses,
again,
we're
not
going
to
give
any
more
detail,
but
I
would
– but
we
– with
the
R&D
will
continue
to
be
the
bulk
of
our
spend
[indiscernible]
(01:04:45).
Thanks,
Charles.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
this
concludes
today's
conference
call.
Thank
you
for
your participation,
you
may
now
disconnect.