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Earnings Call Transcript
2022-Q4

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L
Lidia Marcinkowska
executive

Ladies and gentlemen, it is a great honor to welcome you to our quarterly results conference of KGHM. We'll talk about the results for the 4th quarter for 2022. We have the management board Tomasz Zdzikot, the President of the Board, Mateusz Wodejko, Vice President of the Board for Finance; and Marek Swider, Vice President for Production; Miroslaw Kidon, Vice President for Foreign Assets; Marek Pietrzak, Vice President for Corporate Affairs. We also have here the Head of Investor Relations, Mr. Janusz Krystosiak.

To begin with let me give the floor to Tomasz Zdzikot, the president of the Management Board.

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Tomasz Zdzikot
executive

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, first of all, welcome to Lubin. It is not without a reason we are meeting here. As you know our company is global player. We operate globally, we are global leader in copper and silver production and we are susceptible to global factors that affect our performance. Here in Poland, we are very long [indiscernible] with strong links with the local community. This is the beating heart of KGHM,-- and thank you for convening here. The results that we want to present today that have been published, and they are available on our website. The results are positive or satisfactory. They are the effect of hard and responsible work of our staff. And to begin with, I would like to thank every single 1 of them in Poland and in our international assets. For obvious reasons, it would be difficult to invite you to a conference in Chile or in Nevada, but Lubin is good enough, I believe, and we will speak about the results.

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We are proud to say that in 2022, we invested over EUR 4 billion across the capital group in 2020. And in our program of ensuring access to deposits in GG-1 and GG-2 shaft. So these are very important investments for us. So I already thanked our employees, our staff. We are doing all we can to ensure -- to secure a safe working conditions. I'm sure President Swider and Kidon will talk about this as well. But last year, we had the best performance ever in terms of accident rate. The figure on the slide is our historical low in 2022, we dramatically reduced the number of accidents at work. We are very happy about this because the safety of our people in this demanding work is a paramount importance.

Now macroeconomic factors that have affected our results. Well, I'm sure you're perfectly aware of it, but why not have a look 1 more time. So the prices of our core products are volatile. Our core product, copper, is very important in energy transformation. The prospects are good. There will be no power transformation without copper. And we believe that this growing trend is quite stable. It may not be linear, but it will still be going up. So there have been no major fluctuations in copper prices as shown on the slide.

You may recall that in 2020, copper prices plunged after the outbreak of the pandemic to a level of $4,500 per tonne in 2022. In the first quarter, the price went up to $11,000 per tonne and then went down again. So in average, the prices in 2022 were 6% lower than in 2021. The same goes for silver, which is our second most important commodity. Conversely, the foreign exchange -- the exchange rate of the dollar were favorable for us. The dollar is getting stronger, and this has had a positive effect on our operating results. We are very happy of our EBITDA that's nearly PLN 9 billion.

I already mentioned and my colleagues will tell you more about this, but there are many more factors that affect our performance. So things like energy prices after the Russia's invasion on Ukraine, energy prices sold in 2022. This chart shows the changes in copper prices, both in dollars and in Polish zloty and this is a combination of factors. So copper prices and dollar exchange rate so this is the reason behind our ultimate performance. So our results once again is satisfactory.

Now our strategy. During our previous conferences, we told you that we are reviewing our strategy. Right now, we are proactive in this regard. But the strategy that has been adopted and communicated to you is still valid. It's still in progress. This slide shows you a number of key factors in our strategy. Our key milestones, so to speak, in 2022. So these are our milestones on our road to 2030. As you will notice, we have very good performance in terms of domestic copper production, which is very close to the levels we hoped for in 2030. We also have more recycling of copper, and this is the direction we want to follow.

We invest heavily, especially in our plant in Legnica. We will continue these efforts. And in 2022, we demonstrated that we are quite successful in doing this. Profitability of the working capital is going up. I mentioned low accident rate and when I was introducing my colleagues from the Board, I mentioned the companies within our capital group, they have been doing very well too. You can see that we have more contracts signed externally outside the capital group, and we are happy that our group companies can attract clients from outside the parent company.

Now production, President Swider will give you the details. But in general, the production in the Polish copper went up and is stable with a growth trend payable copper, 733,000 tons. That looks promising. Also in international assets, as we communicated before, that depends on -- well, in Sierra Gorda, it depends on the deposit. We are working in right now. So currently, the core -- the copper or concentration is lower. And my colleague will surely give you more details about this.

And last but not least, and before I give the floor over to my colleagues, the operating result, nearly PLN 9 billion and net result, nearly PLN 4.8 billion. This morning, I read some media commentary that nearly PLN 5 billion in the macroeconomic situation dictated by the pandemic and the Chinese COVID policy. And then the war outside the Polish border. So in that context, this is a promising result. It gives us a solid foundation for the future. We can build more value. We can do more investments both in Poland and in our international assets. So that's it. By way of introduction, let me give the floor to my colleagues.

L
Lidia Marcinkowska
executive

Thank you very much. President Marek Swider, Vice President of the Board for production.

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Marek Swider
executive

Good morning or good afternoon. As President Zdzikot said, Employee safety is a strategic priority for the KGHM Group. You will notice on the slide that our accident rates are low. They went down by 10.3% last year. that's LTIFR. And 2022 was the safest year on record in KGHM. We do have an ISO certificate for health and safety. And once again, we received the so-called gold card for the leader of workplace safety. Payable copper in Capital Group, 733,000 tonnes that split into 2 segments: Polish assets and international assets. I will concentrate on the Polish assets only.

Production results of KGHM Poland, or extraction, 30.5 dry weight with 145 copper grade in ore, year-on-year, that's up by 1.7%. And production of copper and concentrate, 392,000 tonnes and copper content in concentrate is 22.4%. And that's again up by 0.3% year-on-year. Electrolytic copper in Polish assets, that's 586,000 tons and from own concentrate, we produced 382,000 tons, up by 1.4% year-on-year. Silver, 1,298 tonnes of silver, metallic silver that is. So year-on-year, we had a decline of 2.6%, but you will notice the fourth quarter of 2022.

In the last 3 months of the previous year, we had some repair works in our precious metals plants. That's why our production was a bit smaller. All these results are way above the budget.

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Lidia Marcinkowska
executive

Thank you very much. And now Mateusz Wodejko, Vice President of Finance.

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Mateusz Wodejko
executive

Good afternoon. Before I give you the details, I would like to emphasize on -- emphasize what the President said, namely we are very happy with our 2022 performance because when we look at the budget and we look at the long-term perspective, 2022 was one of the best years ever. Of course, in financial report and in the presentation here, we make comparisons to 2021, which was a unique exceptional year. But 2022, if you look deeper into the details, you will notice that there are good reasons to be happy. And I would like to focus on sales alone.

When we look at the sales of KGHM parent company and the capital group, the sales were just a little bit lower than in 2021. If you look at the net results, the consolidated net result on sales, it was PLN 4.3 billion versus PLN 4.7 billion in 2021. So it's roughly PLN 0.3 billion lower. Also, the net profit PLN 3.9 billion versus PLN 4.04 billion in 2021, and that's despite unfavorable macroeconomic setting.

Now let's move on to the group sales revenue. So nearly 14% growth from contract with clients change in sales volumes of basic products, plus PLN 51 million we had a slight decrease in international assets, change in prices of basic products that went down and exchange rate up PLN 4.390 billion and another positive trend was adjustment of revenues due to derivatives in 2021, there was minus PLN 1.5 billion, now it's minus PLN 182 million, and that was recognized in the first 2 quarters. The second part of the year was much better. And then we have other factors, and that's mostly Polish -- the parent company and Polish companies, who had more revenues from other products other than copper and gold and silver.

The fourth quarter of 2022 was very positive up compared to the third quarter PLN 8.865 billion, so that's positive. The C1 unit cost for the capital group, up by 12%, for KGHM up by 5%, International up by 7%. So C1 growing up by 5% or 7%, that's not a lot when you look at macroeconomic factors that created great pressure in our industry. The cost pressure was caused by energy prices, gas prices and prices of derivative materials that we use in our industry. And the underlying reason were the prices of gas and energy.

For the parent company, we are grateful to the Polish government for reducing the tax on mined products for KGHM International. This growth is attributable to a lower output in the Robinson plant in Sierra Gorda. My colleague will comment on the environmental and technological situation in Sierra Gorda. We had some technological aspects that caused the growth of C1 unit cost.

And this slide is a comment on energy prices. If you look at the chart, you will notice that the second half of 2022 was a period of very high energy prices.

For instance, the cost -- the growth of KGHM costs, the cost of sales, sold product and sold materials and overheads, it grew by 17.6% year-on-year, whereas the cost of energy and materials went up by nearly 33%. And this includes third-party charge material and the main growth factor behind the prices was the prices of energy, which was over 45%. So in such a setting, we had to carry on in 2022.

Now the operating results of our group and also our Sierra Gorda joint venture. So as for KGHM Polska Miedz for accumulated EBITDA changes low so down from PLN 5.704 billion to PLN 5.4 billion. So a higher drop in KGHM International and Sierra Gorda, which were also impacted by higher prices of energy and materials and also a lower recovery of copper from ore.

And now financial results. Well, we can see there is an interesting trend here, which I mentioned when we talked about sales. So change in revenues, from contracts with customers and core operations is similar, more or less. The main factor, which affected the draw pay in the net result was mainly the difference at the level of our engagement in the joint venture, PLN 1.419 billion at consolidated level. But in 2021, we reversed a provision for future 1 for PLN 1 billion, more than PLN 1 billion and also reversal on the provision on amortized cost of lending more than this year.

So in 2022, the situation was similar to 2021 at operating level. But the main factor impacting net result were the reversals of the write-downs from 2021 and cash flows. Well, it's also quite optimistic here. So when you look at our operations, so what we have from our consolidated cash flow, so PLN 2.643 billion plus the cost of extraction task almost PLN 3 billion and the change in working capital, then you see the results showing our potential.

But when you take into account this PLN 2.464 billion from operations and the spending on the acquisition of property, plant and equipment and intangible assets of PLN 4.119 billion is important with minus because it shows that we're spending more and more of these investments, and we're thinking about the future repayment of loans with those granted to joint venture, joint venture, PLN [ 789 ] million and proceeds from the disposal of property, plant and equipment, that's the oxide of Sierra Gorda and also disposals of subsidiaries, mainly Franke mine, [ Interferie companies ].

Dividends paid minus 600. and more loans that were taken on debt at a consolidated level. So cash decreased to PLN 1.200 billion. And at the unconsolidated level to PLN [ 990 ] million, but we should also see an increase in working capital in stock and increasing investments is we're not worried about the level of cash. So we're investing and we're engaging more and more of our working capital.

Now the debt of KGHM. So the structure of our equity and liabilities on the balance sheet has been improving. So total assets increased by 11% to more than PLN 500 billion. The increase was due to working capital 18.5% and the total long-term liabilities and provisions increased by 2% only. So it shows us that the group is more safe and structural in terms of the structure of its balance sheet. But if you look at that in zloty and in dollars, the debt is increasing compared with 2022 EBITDA. So debt-to-EBITDA was between 0.6 and 0.8.

What's also worth mentioning here is that our -- in terms of plans for 2023, we're basically planning to invest more. So this debt-to-EBITDA ratio is to increase, but probably, we believe it will remain safe and record-breaking investment projects that planning for CapEx and property, plant and equity -- property, plant and equipment, so PLN 3.2 billion and PLN 2 billion. Other CapEx is going to be significant. But I think that comparing with 2022, looking at the macroeconomic situation, the right response is to invest significantly, especially in development.

And now emissions and the share of renewables. So in 2022 and in 2023. And in our plans for future years, we are going to invest in renewables. So we focus on renewables and low emissions, so imports [indiscernible] and also in our energy company. So we also focus on that at Sierra Gorda, for example, were 100% of electricity is sourced from renewables.

So talking about renewables, these are PV farms, which we are developing and we would like to step up our PV development we're thinking about acquisitions there. What we also are doing is working in the area offshore wind with [indiscernible] energy, with our partner, and we're thinking about this month for low emissions, 0 emissions approach. And we're continuing our efforts now it's certain R&D stage prior to the investment stage but we're already thinking about the future where we can offer our offtake because we are the -- with -- more than 3 terawatt hours. We are a major Poland's consumer of electricity off-taker and an interesting partner to those companies that would be ready to supply these technologies to us.

L
Lidia Marcinkowska
executive

Thank you Mr. President. Now we have a presentation about our foreign assets. Let me give the floor to Miroslaw Kidon, Vice President of the Board for Foreign Assets.

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Miroslaw Kidon
executive

So I'm wearing 2 hats today. So let me begin with my development presentation. So let me emphasize that 2022 was a very successful year. We achieved or even exceeded our investment level PLN [ 2.877 ] billion compared with a budget of PLN 2.835 billion. Most of that is focused on mining and smelting, our core businesses. So we are focusing on our efforts to maintain and increase our production capacities as well as improving safety because the money we spent is also aimed at increasing the safety and we consult our departments and include health and safety aspects.

And this is why we have been so successful and have had such a good safety record at our company. What you asked previously was a -- well, the outcome of what we were doing in terms of providing access to the ore. And this slide shows deep Glogow industrial and you see the 8% ore extraction dry weight, increase amount of copper in ore is also up by 7% year-on-year. And silver at the bottom is up by 6%.

As for the breakdown of our capital expenditures. Now let me emphasize that we're focusing on our core business of our deposit access program, GG-1, GG-2 and Retkow shaft where we're focusing strongly on the smooth developments so that we won't have any problems or any delay to be on time and also the exchange of machinery that we will continue this year. All of these efforts will improve the availability and efficiency of our machines and the comfort and safety of our staff.

Oh, and environmental investment projects. So this is the breakdown of these projects are -- we are spending more than PLN 250 million on these projects, including water management and the protection of the air quality and waste management.

Now foreign assets. But first, let me -- please allow me to go back to the slide -- safety slide that Marek Swider has shown. So we have all emphasized the role of safety. So LTIFR was 0.35 for foreign assets. And this is a world-class result. So anything below 0.5 is accepted by mining bodies, authorities. And this is frequently a KPI of many businesses, but we have been improving every year and we have achieved a lot in 2022 for Sierra Gorda, it was 0.17. And this year, after 3 months only, we going towards our 0 harm goal to have no loss of time accidents. So lost time injuries. So you see the average at Sierra Gorda, the result is better than in the North of America and we're also paying attention to that, and we will be moving and using these good practices, applying them also in other assets to roll them out across our business.

Okay. So we have 2 bars, 2021, 104.4 million payable copper and 2022, [ 90.8 thousand] so very briefly comment on that. So how we managed to achieve these results. I'm very proud of that together with the Board. 2021 was a record-breaking year for payable copper production in sierra Gorda for 2 reasons. In 2021, we recorded the highest head grade for the whole decade and an almost 30% increase in throughput and delivery of minerals from our open pit mine. So looking back in my memory 2014, 2015 to 2017, our throughputs ranged from 80,000 to 100,000 daily. And Sierra Gorda project assumptions, theoretically, allowed us to achieve 110,000. In 2021, we achieved 129,000 of throughput.

We are the only mine in Chile to exceed its design parameters. And it was something that our competitors noted as well as the government of Chile because the government is interested in providing access of deposit -- to deposits with lower head grade to attract possible investors. And we are an example of a company which knows how to use and successfully mine low head grade deposits, which is a very important development because we're running -- slowly running out of high head grade deposits globally. So most leaders in the mining industry will have to change the strategy, and we are 1 step ahead of our competitors with these results.

So now briefly, how did we achieve 130,000? We started with a defragmentation, the mine -- so the explosives are cheaper compared with mechanical processing, and that's the best way to improve production results, but you need to strike a balance between mine stability and safety and the strength and the impact of the explosion and the timings in between the explosions. So -- but what did you saying that 7 inches, we increased an excellent improvement in efficiency from 110,000 tonnes to 160,000 tonnes on the crusher and our Sierra Gorda project, which we own but the FLSmidth is the maker of the crusher machine.

So we also modernize this conical crushers and the hydraulic press is highly efficient. We achieved 3,000 tonnes of hourly throughput and we increased the pressure significantly to up to 150 bar. These were very significant achievements. We changed the pumps, hydrocyclones, mills and achieved the ultimate result of 130,000. So if you were looking at those results without the optimization, they would be 30% lower. They would have been 30% lower.

So we have this reversed stream flowing from -- to Sierra Gorda to KGHM, but without those achievements, it wouldn't have been possible given the result -- the head grades and the results in 2015, 2016. So given the parameters the head grades in 2022 and 2023, we would not have been able to achieve that. So we are now capable of operating and mining low head grade ores. And we are -- we achieved 3x the Guinness record.

So we have an operated -- excavation machine operator, mechanical mine operator who achieved 200,000 tonnes daily. So it's almost what KGHM uses in all shafts daily. I have never shared his name, but I want to conceal his name so that he would not be taken over by our competitors that mechanical mine operator is [indiscernible] that he achieved 200,000 tonnes daily. And we achieved all of that with a high improved health and safety, which is well perceived by the government, the authorities there.

So we also extended -- could extend the TSF or we received a permit. To do so, it's not easy to get such a permit from the authorities. But we work closely with the authorities and local communities and the government of Chile and were successful in those terms. And so this reduced our LOM CapEx. So despite 2023 being the year with the lowest head grade for copper for the whole decade, we will make money operations-wise anyway and will remain a profitable mine.

Now KGHM International and our production results. So here, we have a 22% decline in copper, and this is attributable to the lack of production in the Franke mine, which we sold, and we had lower output in Robinson, down by 7,000. We had a 13% less recovery. Robinson is quite complicated, but we can see the potential and the challenge. And we believe that the same bottlenecking projects that we had in Sierra Gorda will allow us to identify bottlenecks and find the right balance, the compromise of the potential, so more throughput with less CapEx and ultimately higher output. So we need a project like that. In Robinson, I spoke to the Board, and we will go in that direction. We want to stabilize the situation in the mine today in Robinson weather is unfavorable.

As you heard during the Oscar ceremony there was a lot of rain and up to over 2,000 meters above sea level rains are even harsher and right now, we are penetrating into an intermediate layer with high zinc content, which prevents us from ensuring high-quality concentrate. We also have a lot of acid soluble copper, which reduces the kinetic performance of our machinery because it increases viscosity. And as a result, those fines edges will not go up to the surface. But we have a team that will be working on it. We will determine our targets for this year and a time line for the project that will allow us to reach those targets.

Now let me go back to something I already discussed. The cash flows in 2022. This wouldn't be possible without the upgrading and optimization projects in the previous year. A lot of people were involved both in Poland and in Chile. Our team there is just fantastic. And I'm talking about our Chilean colleagues, our South American engineers. We have our own development department. We have our bottlenecking project. We have some Kaizen projects as well. We communicate our results to our staff. The working atmosphere is fantastic. People are motivated and involved. I do hope that all these positive trends will be extrapolated to North America and make some improvements.

If I said that everything is great in Sierra Gorda then my boss would fire me because there wouldn't be anything for me to do. So we're not perfect, but we're getting there. We are very ambitious, much more ambitious than 3 years ago. And Sierra Gorda has a lot of potential, we want to take advantage of. I'm talking about further explorations about using the concessions we have received. I'm talking about further increase of our throughput and further efforts towards optimization of our mining plans in Chile. Thank you very much.

L
Lidia Marcinkowska
executive

Thank you. Mr. President. Today, we are attended by the Board. And 1 of the members is Mr. Marek Pietrzak, President for Corporate Affairs. He will be available for Q&A. And now before we move on to the Q&A, Mr. President of the Board will make some final remarks.

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Tomasz Zdzikot
executive

Thank you very much. I'll be very brief. We are talking about difficult times and good results. So these results are good. They are beyond promising in these harsh times. Our result is affected by many external factors beyond our control. So things like copper price changes, silver price changes cost pressure as discussed by President [indiscernible] in the context of energy prices, this is extremely important to us. We are the second largest off-taker of energy in Poland, and it's quite obvious that the cost pressure both for KGHM directly and for our business partners.

What this is -- this has a strong bearing on our performance. So Mr. President rightly noted that our C1 unit cost is going up, but it's still well below inflation. And we are at a time when inflation in the Eurozone is in the range of 10% and in some Central European countries, such as Hungary, it's in the range of 25%. So external circumstances have a strong influence on what we do. And our results do not just happen. We have to achieve it. And we are very happy with what we achieved.

Before we move on to your questions, I will answer questions we often hear about our energy projects. These projects are very important for us. We are a large consumer of electricity that's why we believe it's only reasonable and only natural to have our own power generation capacity. But gas and steam units are not always as efficient because of changing gas prices. But we are active in many different aspects of the power industry. So that's both PV projects whether built by ourselves or acquired. We are also present in offshore wind projects.

We have our nuclear project. It's the most interesting for the media. We have an American partner who is moving down the certification pathway in the U.S. and we are a partner of that company. And we are not talking about something that will be built next year. We are talking about something that is in an R&D stage. But ultimately, we want to secure our own energy resources with stable prices.

The results we have just presented to you are optimistic. They are optimistic enough. And you may wonder whether we've been contemplating some layoffs. No, we haven't. Our employment level, our headcount is stable. We believe it is a great asset of ours that our people, both here in Lubin and across our Group are strongly connected with us. Usually, they're workers for a lifetime. So they are patriots of us of ours, and we respect that and our performance is actually the effect of their hard work.

As the Board, we are responsible for ensuring stable operations irrespectively of copper prices. So whether copper prices were below $5,000 or above $10,000, no matter what, no matter what energy prices would be, no matter what our costs would be, we are a stable operating company, and our operating results are very good. We had nearly PLN 5 billion of net profit, and that's a profit in a very difficult time. So in this context, we are very happy with these results.

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Lidia Marcinkowska
executive

Thank you very much, Mr. President, all Mr. Presidents. And now the second part of the conference, Q&A questions from you, ladies and gentlemen, present locally here and from financial market analysts who are also here with us. You can submit your questions to IR, investorrelations@kghm.com. This conference is streamed live online. We have 25 minutes for Q&A. We have over 15 media represented here. So thank you for coming. Even when we do conferences in Warsaw, the number is usually lower than 15. So now I will give the floor to Janusz Krystosiak. We will start with questions submitted by analysts.

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Janusz Krystosiak
executive

Thank you very much, and I will take the liberty to take a look into our mailbox, Investor Relations mailbox. We have 2 questions there. And the first 1 is about our investments in the power mix. And Mr. President of the Board actually answered that question before it was asked. He spoke about our investments in this regard. So if I could ask President Wodejko to give us a little bit more details? And then there is another part of the question which -- that's in English, but let me translate that into Polish. So the mining capital due to high cost power investments, should that capital be used for financing such project? Essentially, that's a question about the nuclear power plants. So I guess the question is about what CapEx will be used for the nuclear projects.

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Mateusz Wodejko
executive

So let me start by saying that we, as KGHM, we are thinking broadly, we are thinking about low emission sources such as gas or nuclear and renewables. But ultimately, it's the megawatt hour price and CapEx that is decisive. These are key factors for energy projects. So in PV projects, we are at a stage where we can take investment decisions. We can submit offers to farm developers. But in nuclear projects, the time line for contracting investments or contracting power that will be generated by third-party investors, well, that's a more distant future. When we consider nuclear energy sources, we just want to stay on board. We believe that MSR energy will be competitive in terms of prices and the kilowatt-hour prices will be attractive enough and that's key. But we can't tell you today that this will happen that this will be economically reasonable. But I think that nuclear power in Poland is essential.

J
Janusz Krystosiak
executive

And another question. The other question also related to the power industry. It came from Jason Fairclough from Bank of America. So what is your power contract book today? Did you sign any power supply agreements when the power prices were at the peak?

M
Mateusz Wodejko
executive

When it comes to contracting energy or gas, well, we have a certain mix. As KGHM, we are both the generator and the off-taker and the grid operator. So we have a lot of room of maneuver in the power industry. So we have a mix of contracts that hedge or secure our prices. And we also do a lot of sports transactions or CFD contracts. So we want to ensure a mix that best reflects the average market prices. Of course, if you have the average price, then you may win or you may lose but from today's perspective, we can never guess what the prices will be in December. So we don't know if our strategy is optimized or not, but it's surely reasonable.

J
Janusz Krystosiak
executive

Thank you very much in expectation of more questions that keep coming in by e-mail, let me give the floor to the journalists here. Before you ask your questions, please introduce yourself and the medium you represent.

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Unknown Analyst

[indiscernible], Radio Plus. I have a question about a question as follows. With such an ambitious level of investments in 2023, will you share the profits with the shareholders? I'm not asking for specific recommendations. I'm asking about the dividend policy in general. And the second question is about Sierra Gorda.

J
Janusz Krystosiak
executive

So if we may, let's first answer the first question, and then we'll move on to the second question.

M
Mateusz Wodejko
executive

Okay. So let me answer -- let me take that question. As you know that we don't have a recommendation yet. And from the perspective of the Board, well, our decision will be a resultant of many factors. What is of key importance is our long-term strategy, and we talk about long-term investments, and we want to fuel those investments with cash. If you want to have a stable, sustainable company, you have to keep investing. On the other hand, we look at our investors and the expectations of the market and our final recommendation after the analysis will be the result of these variables. And the other question?

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Unknown Analyst

Right, yes. The other question is about Sierra Gorda with less copper, silver and moly production and growing C1 cost. Is this temporary? Is it that today the deposits are poorer or is it going to be permanent?

M
Mateusz Wodejko
executive

As I explained, in my presentation before, in 2023, the head grade is the lowest -- is the poorest head grade over the last decade, but we are ready for that in terms of our technology. And this is temporary. Open pit mining when we have block caving projects -- well, in such projects, the fluctuation in head grade are much higher than in deep mining, such as we do in Poland. Of course, these fluctuations are predictable. We know what we can expect. We do deep boreholes. We update our 5-year plans, and we try to be ready to be prepared. And answering your question directly, the years to come will surely be better. The head grade quality will improve. We can expect better production results and automatically better financial performance in Sierra Gorda. In combination with our improvement and optimization projects, we expect positive results in the next 5 years when it comes to our block model and forecasting of our resources and production plans.

One more question, right?

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Unknown Analyst

Yes, 1 more question. In 1 of the slides in the presentation you showed 100% -- a planned 100% growth of scrap copper production by 2030. Will it require additional investments? Or perhaps the current capacity of the refining furnace and the logistics is sufficient to increase your scrap copper production by 100%?

M
Marek Swider
executive

When it comes to this particular area, we are in a project stage. The project will involve reconstruction of our furnace in our Legnica smelting plant, but the decisions are still to come.

Any other questions?

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Unknown Analyst

[indiscernible]. So, as among [indiscernible]. That's my question. And given the process you have with new scale, we learned about the location this year.

M
Mateusz Wodejko
executive

Well, this is an important question. Thank you for that. Now the entity that is the repairing the report is working on proposed optimal theoretical sites for all the future SMR plant. And we will certainly be provided with this report this year, but it's hard to tell what the location, the site will be approved for us this year because it depends on the large nuclear program and other things. And this is about not duplicating our locations or overlapping with large nuclear projects. So when we know when the final location of the site for large nuclear is selected, we will be able to accelerate our work on sighting our SMR plant. But the potential sites that would be interesting. These are already known. We know which sites are -- could be beneficial, but we would like to choose the optimal location. And we will try to speed up our work on selecting the location, but there are also other factors which come into play. And we are part of an ecosystem of the future of nuclear energy in Poland.

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Janusz Krystosiak
executive

And Tomasz Zdzikot?

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Tomasz Zdzikot
executive

So we have different divisions and just add about nuclear and scrap. Scrap processing project, especially for low-grade scrap is considered to be highly promising and important for both the Legnica smelting plant and also our subsidiaries, including [indiscernible]. And it's a promising market offering an increase in production of our Legnica smelting plant. It will obviously require further investment, but it is a forward-looking project for both our company and the smelting plant and also the whole company. And you can expect us to report on further milestones in the future and we're ready to invest in that.

As for SMRs, as Mr. Wodejko has mentioned, there are a number of nuclear projects ongoing in our country because this is about our strategic energy security. This is not a race. We're not raising against other products because we have the common goal of all parties involved to ensure energy security of Poland. In our case, this is crucial for KGHM, the company itself. And the energy security of KGHM is Poland's energy security because if we are the second largest consumer or off-taker of electricity in Poland, if we energy secured for us, it means that, to a large extent, energy is secured for Poland and the launch products out there, including the Korean and U.S. project.

And I believe the Korean project has already chosen the location, but we are analyzing the situation. And of course, it's linked to the large ongoing projects and also the legal aspects because we have a lot of regulations and laws about where we can build a nuclear plant and where we must not build it. And there are a number of laws limiting the number of possible locations. We have to take that into account. We are part of that process. We have a partner helping us. So that is a professional partner. And I believe we will be able to receive that report this year.

Okay. So we can have 2 or 3 questions from the media. But let me first give the floor to Director Krystosiak. So these will be Investor Relations mailbox questions.

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Janusz Krystosiak
executive

Thank you question from Pawel Puchalski from Santander. And I will answer 1 of them. What are the budget plans for the average annual prices of copper, silver and dollar for 2023?

Well, I can reply by saying that we are not revealing these data in accordance with our disclosure policy and also our budgets show volumes for segments and the total unit cost for electrolytic copper production in Poland. What we're also showing is the planned CapEx. So the price path or assumptions, plans concerning currencies and exchange rates. So these are not published. We're not disclosing that.

And Pawel is asking, when will you revise the volumes for 2023 regarding KGHM International? And another question from Pawel about the foreign assets. But the President has already replied. So the question was about the operations and results of KGHM International and Sierra Gorda, but if Mr. Kidon would like to add an anything? If and when could you revise international volumes plans?

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Miroslaw Kidon
executive

The main project and most important mining plant in terms of that volume is our Robinson mine. I've just come back from Nevada. Well, I came back from the -- last week. And I visited that mine and had many working meeting to evaluate the plant. And it was also because of the difficult weather conditions and geological situation, the block model. So the high soluble copper content and zinc content have an adverse -- significant adverse impact on our throughput of the weather itself with a heavy snow fall and rainfall.

So statistics show them to be the highest over the last 130 years. These have significantly impacted our asset efficiency and availability of mining machines. So we adopted a plan to mitigate the effects of these weather conditions. And we've initiated our measures, and we will be waiting for the results. It's too early today to tell you what it will yield and too early to talk about the revisions of our budgets.

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Janusz Krystosiak
executive

I have a question from a mailbox, if I may. What measures are you undertaking to optimize your portfolio of assets?

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Miroslaw Kidon
executive

I understand this is a question in the context of optimizing the group, the wider group, including also our servicing companies. So this question goes to Marek Pietrzak.

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Marek Pietrzak
executive

So optimization or streamlining of our assets portfolio is what we're doing every day as part of our supervision department meeting with managements of those companies, Boards and also on our Board, in our day-to-day work, looking for possibilities to optimize the way in which our assets are used. So we've had these large projects last year in quarter 1 of 2022. We sold the hotels to Polski Holding for PLN 200 billion. The money is in the accounts waiting to be used for investments in the second part of our business, which is health. What we also did was to reorganize the structure of our funds we moved assets from health resource to [indiscernible] operating company.

So these were moved last year. And so it was about exiting from the fund structure in December last year, we liquidated Season 7, which was struck off the register and we worked with a third-party consulting company with a transparent proposal, we could select company bidder who acquired a portfolio of these investment funds from us. We're thinking about how to optimize and streamline operations and processes every day.

And from the energy perspective, if I may add, we're also investing in our Energetica company. So we increased the share capital to really change the sources. So in terms of the gas-fired plant in Legnica to reduce emissions. So this is about our responsibility also for lowering the emissions.

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Janusz Krystosiak
executive

Thank you. If I may, I'm just scanning my mailbox. Some of these questions are repetitions of what we've already said. So the budget goes for 2023. And also questions prices and expectations of the commodity prices, currencies, the budget for 2023. So it would really take too much time if I was to show you all the budget lines for 2023.

So we have that in our report and our budget, which is published, and you can find a list of our objectives in our budget with reference to the alliance first-time investor question.

And the second question, the strategic direction of KGHM business model. Can KGHM become a more diversified mine as BHP [indiscernible] or is KGHM looking towards [ flip out ]? So that's a question about the strategic business model of the company.

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Tomasz Zdzikot
executive

Now we're working hard on a review of our strategy. This strategy involves the entire organizational structure of our company. I've had experience -- some experience with such strategies and revisions in many companies. So -- well, it's generally said that a strategy should be formed as a grassroots effort and the bottom to top approach. So we are engaging all the managers of our company to be involved in this review of our strategy to revise the strategy as necessary. This revision is very important to us.

But as I've told you many times, and I would like this to be so really, we would like to focus on our core business, which is not only mining but also smelting which includes the low-grade scrap and the project we have at the Legnica smelting plant. We are a production company. We also have goals, which are about increasing the chain of our products. So there are many things we can boast about in relation to energy, low losses, low emissions, it can be an interesting product on that market. And also focusing on our core business, KGHM is and will not -- it's not and will not be an energy company.

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Janusz Krystosiak
executive

And there are many questions. I think too many questions are asked about the energy projects. We do have and will have energy projects. We're not withdrawing from any of them because we are a large consumer of energy. But our business ambitions lie in the field of mining and smelting. I've read all the questions here on my part.

And there will be a transcript after the conference with questions that were asked and also the answers that were provided by the Board to questions about the budget. I will include the full text of the report, together with the budget and the objectives for 2023, in accordance with our disclosure policy, but I will have to remind you that you will not find any answers on our pricing plans.

So we're nearly there. We have to stick to our time limit because of the broadcast. So this will be the last question officially. And when the official part is finished, Board members will be available, so we can talk to them individually.

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Unknown Analyst

My name is [indiscernible]. In this room, when we heard from the previous Board members about SMR projects for the first time, they said that in 2027 or 2028, electricity could be generated for the first time. So when? I know it's not a race, but it's an important sector of Polish economy.

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Mateusz Wodejko
executive

Yes, it's not a race. It's true because it has to be optimal. These plants have to provide optimal prices and be based on optimal technologies. But we are dependent on the technological progress abroad that is in -- behind the Atlantic and also in the West. When work is ongoing on SMR technologies, and it is being postponed because of the complex work that is involved and certification that is necessary in the U.S., Canada, the U.K. or France.

And also the date for the commissioning of the first plant in the U.S. or Canada, are delayed, where there is the highest progress. What -- I understand the question about the first SMR plant, when it's going to be commissioned in Poland. So I think it should be in the first half of the third decade and we hope that SMR technology is going to be developed. It is the future of energy in Poland.

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Janusz Krystosiak
executive

If I may, this role because I also talk to you about our projects. I'm not sure if we declared 2027 so that we could really speak of any delay here. 2029 optimistic scenarios, maybe these dates maybe were mentioned somewhere. But in the first report showed 2029 as the first model date. So just in addition to what Mr. President said.

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Lidia Marcinkowska
executive

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. So let me close the official part. The Board of KGHM Polska Miedz will be available now for individual interviews and also let me thank all the Board members today. Thank you.