CD Projekt SA

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Earnings Call Transcript 2020-Q1

[Operator]

Dear ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the conference call of CD Projekt S.A. At our customers' request, this conference will be recorded. [Operator Instructions] May I now hand you over to Adam Kicinski, who will lead you through this conference. Please go ahead.

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

Good morning -- actually, good afternoon. Welcome to CD Projekt's Q1 2020 Results Conference Call. My name is Adam Kicinski, and I will run the presentation together with Piotr Nielubowicz. There is also Michal Nowakowski with us and he will join the discussion for the Q&A session that is planned after the presentation. The presentation is available on our webpage, cdprojekt.com.

What you can see on the cover slide of the presentation is not V, it's actually a Roman V to mark the fifth anniversary of the release of Witcher 3. And thanks to gamers, we've just got a birthday present.

Take a look at the second slide. Sales of the Witcher series have hit another sales milestone, totaling 50 million copies, with Witcher 3 accounting for almost 2/3 of that number. Piotr will tell you later a bit more about figures.

Let's go to Slide #3 and have a short update on COVID. We are still working from our homes and we have adapted to the situation. We are focused on the final phase of Cyberpunk and the whole development team will continue to work remotely till the end of August. We are also supporting local charities in the fight against the epidemic. Moving on to key business events of Q1. I would like to start with Thronebreaker's release on Nintendo Switch.

Please go to Slide #4. As you may know, Thronebreaker is our original take on [ CCG ] blended with graphic isometric RPG. It found its niche within -- which it is performing well.

Let's move on to Slide #5. At the end of Q1, we released GWENT on Android as planned. It's worth mentioning that just as on iOS, GWENT is highly scored on Android. On the next slide, Slide #5 (sic) [ 6 ], you can see our revenues for the first week after the release on each platform. For PC and consoles, as launched, we took the rerelease of GWENT, so-called homecoming that took place at the end of 2018. Now our CCG is available on all systems, but on PC, we've just extended accessibility by releasing GWENT on Steam earlier this month.

Let's jump to Slides #8 and 9. For the first time, media representatives and global opinion leaders will be able to try out Cyberpunk 2077 in June. This is an important milestone for us and we expect to collect initial feedback around mid-June. Also, we plan to run Night City Wire, which will take place on June 11. For now, we are not providing any detailed information regarding this event, but we wish to already invite everyone to tune in to our broadcast.

Let's move on to the financial part. Piotr, the floor is yours.

[Piotr Nielubowicz, executive]

Thank you, Adam. I'm proud to say that both in respect of sales and net profit, the first quarter of this year was the best first quarter we ever had in our history.

Let's jump directly to Page #11, CD Projekt Group profit and loss calculation. Our consolidated revenues reached nearly PLN 193 million, which is 2.4x more than a year ago. Both our segments posted increased sales. GOG grew newly by half and cdprojectred tripled its last year's results.

Where did the growth come from and what supported it? There is no simple answer. Looking at our products in Q1 this year, we saw excellent performance of Witcher 3, including the Switch addition, which wasn't released until last October. Other new products that added to this year and were not available in Q1 2019 are the ones Adam just mentioned a minute ago. GWENT released on iOS last Q4 and on Android at the end of March this year, and Thronebreaker released this year on Nintendo.

The above 4 new additions boosted our sales this year versus the first quarter of 2019, but we also experienced increased sales of our other products. We believe that there was more than one reason behind it. First, the Netflix series released at the end of 2019, which added to the recognition of the Witcher universe and the lockdowns implemented in many countries around the world due to the COVID pandemic.

Along with the increase of revenues, our costs quarter-on-quarter also grew. On the COGS level, the growth was 1.7x, which allowed the gross profit on sales to increase 2.8x. And on the operating cost level, the growth was 1.5x, which made the EBIT grow 4.8x versus last year.

Along with higher financial incomes and proportionally lower income tax, our net profit for the first 3 months of 2020 reached PLN 92 million, growing over 5x comparing to the first quarter of 2019.

To put this into some longer perspective, please have a look at the next page, Page #12. Revenue-wise, during the last 2 quarters, it seems like Christmas came twice. The next page presents our net profit versus sales. Both in the last Q4 and in the first quarter of this year, roughly 50% of our group sales stayed with us as net profit after taxation.

The next table, our balance sheet, Page #14, assets and fixed assets to start with. The main growth comes from expenditures on development projects, obviously mainly due to Cyberpunk 2077 development.

And again, to put this into some longer perspective, please have a look at the chart on the next page, our outgoing cash for expenditures and development projects. During the first 3 months of 2020, we spent a bit less on developing games and technologies than we did in the proceeding quarter. This is mainly due to the completion of the Witcher 3 Switch port and lower spend on external services mainly related to Cyberpunk due to getting closer to the accomplishment of the project.

Continuing with the balance sheet on the next page, within working assets to positions change. Our receivables decreased. This is natural since after the successful fourth quarter of 2019, we had relatively high open balance of receivables, and the nicest part, our cash position, including all bank deposits, grew by PLN 128 million. I will get to this in a moment.

Equity and liability. Equity grew, driven by our profits of the period.

And on the short-term liability side, the biggest change was reported in the deferred revenues line. The over PLN 22 million increase comes mainly from our royalties on continuously growing PC digital preorder sales of Cyberpunk.

Okay. And the most important changes in our cash position. Please flip to the next page. We started this year with PLN 482 million on our accounts. Our net profit for the period reached PLN 92 million. From the reduction of receivables, we got additional PLN 73 million in flows. The balance of all other adjustments added EUR 17 million, and the main positive driver here comes from inflows related to the deferred revenues on Cyberpunk of PLN 22 million. At the same time, we spent PLN 54 million on development, as I said a minute ago, slightly less than in Q4. All in all, we ended March with PLN 610 million of cash and deposits., that is PLN 128 million more than the opening balance for the year.

As many of you may know, a few weeks ago, we reported our plan to diversify the allocation of our cash assets. We would like to convert up to PLN 300 million into treasury bonds, split half-half between domestic and foreign T bonds. The foreign ones issued by the U.S.A., Germany and Switzerland. The FX exposure should be limited by respective hedging transactions. We are currently in the process of relocating the funds.

Thank you. That's all from my side. We can now start the Q&A session.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions]

And the first question is from Matthew Walker, Crédit Suisse.

[Matthew Walker, analyst]

I've only got one question, please. The first is -- well, the question really is around -- you said you wouldn't be giving much more details around the June 11 event. But could you say whether the June 11 event is a strong signal that you are indeed ready to launch the game in mid-September as you previously outlined?

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

This is Michal Nowakowski speaking. So June 11 event is not really related to a launch date in a way. I mean, this was supposed to be E3, and we were planning things for that time, no matter what, to be honest. So I'm saying that because it's really -- it's really just that. It's our -- it's in lieu of our E3, what we're doing. So Night City Wire is what we would have preferred for E3, course, in a different forum because we don't have the gathering of people in convention center, in L.A. is -- it's digital. So it's going to have a different format and so on. But it's predominantly really just that. Did I answer your questions?

[Matthew Walker, analyst]

No. That's fine, but is there anything that you've come across in terms of the home working or foreign translations or anything? Anything that would make you think now that you were not on track for the launch date?

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

No. I mean release is -- still continues to be scheduled for the September 17, and the whole team is working really hard to deliver that date. The final few months are always the biggest obstacle, the biggest hurdle. So these are always the most crucial months, for sure, and we know that from our past experience. We've been there a couple of times already in the past. And well, truth is, this is the first time we're doing that remotely. So we learn as we go. This is the first time for us. So I don't know. I guess that's as much as I can say, I mean, in terms of that. I'm not sure if this answers the question, but.

[Operator]

Your next question is from Omar Sheikh, Morgan Stanley.

[Omar Sheikh, analyst]

I just have a couple of questions, if I could. The first is on the Witcher. I mean first of all, did you -- I'm trying to look back to see when you went through the PLN 40 million-mark for sales at all platforms. I wonder whether you could just tell us approximately when that was, so we can get a sense of the cadence up to the current levels of total sales.

And then you mentioned in your prepared remarks that there were 2 impacts on demand for the Witcher, one being the Netflix series and the other being lockdown. I wonder whether you can maybe just talk about what the mix between those 2 sort of influences on demand have been, which one is more important. Obviously just given one would expect the Netflix effect to be ongoing. And obviously, the lockdown effect not to be. So some comments on that would be helpful. That's the first question.

And then secondly, we are kind of coming out of lockdowns in developed Europe, certainly and obviously in the markets where you're aiming to launch Cyberpunk into -- in September. So I'm just wondering whether you could make some comments about the demand environment that you currently anticipate for the launch? Because I guess there's one sort of thought that as the lockdown eased, you might have a bit less of a tailwind than you currently have in terms of consumer appetite to buy your products. So some comments there would be helpful.

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

Hello. Adam Kicinski. We announced PLN 40 million of Witcher together or -- at E3 last year, June 2019. So it took us less than a year to add 10 mil to this. And most of this 10 mil is, of course, Witcher 3. Piotr, will you continue?

[Piotr Nielubowicz, executive]

Yes. The question was what had bigger impact on our sales, whether it was the Netflix series or the COVID lockdown pandemic situation. Honestly speaking, we do not track users in their motivations. So we are unable to precisely answer the question. As I tried to state during my part of the presentation, there were several factors stimulating ourselves. So first of all, new products from our side; and secondly, the market situation plus the Netflix. I believe none of the factors would give such an impact if they were single, but combined, all of them together, allowed us to visibly increase the revenues. And yes, I think that's all I can say. It's really hard to measure what had a bigger impact, whether it was Netflix or COVID pandemic.

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

And I would add one more thing. Last year, revenues for Witcher 3 doubled the results of 2018. So it's not only about the first quarter of this year or the last quarter of 2019. The whole 2019 was great so Witcher is doing great. There's maybe one more factor, I mean we are heavily promoting Cyberpunk, but of course, the main campaign is still ahead of us, and there is this -- there is an obvious association between Cyberpunk and Witcher. I mean, we produce both. So it might be like with any past release that -- and again, release helps in sales of backed up each time. So maybe this time, the promotion of Cyberpunk is helping sales of Witcher as well.

[Omar Sheikh, analyst]

Okay. And then demand environment for September release?

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

Yes. So I'll take this one. This is Michal Nowakowski again. So we're in constant touch with all the markets because it's mostly -- your question has mostly -- is mostly relevant when it comes to physical markets, because in terms of digital, there's really -- there hasn't been really any barrier in terms of digital downloads from any of the storefronts globally. There has been, of course, quite a few barriers when it comes to physical purchases and stores being open all across the globe. So the situation, of course, as you probably know, varies depending on the -- on the territory, on the region of the world.

But it's increasingly optimistic almost globally, I would say. There's more and more store reopenings. And maybe except for Latin America, South America, where the situation is quite grim. But even there, at least when it comes to Brazil, there is expectation of things getting better towards September. I literally had chats about that with the partners 1.5 weeks ago so it's relatively fresh.

But when it comes to key markets like U.S., Europe, Asia, there is -- I don't want to say a huge optimism or anything or like that, but everybody believes things are going to go back to normal when it comes to sales, stores being open, customers being able to make purchases. So yes, that's pretty much how we see that situation. We do believe that things are definitely going to improve in terms of stores being available for the customers to shop. Those experience may vary. There may be some store pickups and so on. But basically, things should be relatively normal in September. That's what most of the markets seem to believe.

[Operator]

Your next question is from Mr. Ken Rumph, Jefferies.

[Kenneth Rumph, analyst]

Ken Rumph from Jefferies. I had 3 questions. One was just on staff and kind of how numbers are changing, apologies if I wasn't at the beginning, and we're kind of recruitment during this period.

Second one was regarding Cyberpunk and the processes of adapting the game for next-generation consoles and kind of whether the hardware and sort of work-from-home situation was affecting that.

And finally, I wanted to ask about your most important game, GWENT. Obviously not your most important game, but I'm interested because unlike sales of the Witcher, in a sense if people buy the Witcher today, there isn't a DLC to buy later in the year or next year, it's a kind of one-off benefit until another game in that universe arrives, which is a little while, I'm sure. Whereas GWENT is -- the more players, the more potential monetization, particularly on mobile. And also, it's kind of a test run for a live game. So just interested in the extent to which how the GWENT gone, how your experience with that is going.

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

Adam Kicinski. So I'll take the first one. In terms of recruitment, before outbreak happened, so last year, we decided to slow down the recruitment for 2020 because this is very natural. Every time when we release the game, we are focused solely on this. And we are not hiring that much. Of course, there are some open positions, but it's like, I would say, 10% or 20% of a normal recruitment activity.

So we are doing -- I mean, we are dealing with this without any bigger problems. Of course, I mean recruiting remotely is a bit tougher, but it's not actually -- it's not only -- I mean, recruiting is not that tough. Then on-boarding and first months are challenging. But as I said, the number of people joining us this year is very, very limited, and we don't see any threats in this regard.

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

And Michal Nowakowski again. And the second one was about next gen? And is that correct?

[Kenneth Rumph, analyst]

That's right, yes.

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

So we -- as you know, we're working on the game on -- currently on the PC, PS4 and Xbox One. We don't really have that much to comment on the next gens to be perfectly honest. The whole focus currently is into the diversions we have, we have announced, which is PC, PS4, Xbox One, and we also announced [indiscernible].

And the last question about GWENT. So could you just rephrase a little bit to make sure that we thought it?

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

Okay. And I will read -- one moment, I'll add one thing. But of course, we are going to release next gen. So we are not talking about this now because we are focused on the current gen, but as we said, that next-gen Cyberpunk will be released next year.

[Kenneth Rumph, analyst]

Okay. Understood. Okay. My grand question had 2 parts. Firstly, just your experience operating a live game because obviously you intend to have a Cyberpunk multiplayer live game in the future, which is disclosed. So I'm interested in kind of your experience of that. But also, in a sense, the sales that you make or new players that you bring in to GWENT can benefit you in future periods. Where in a sense, as I say, if someone buys a copy of Poseidon, The Witcher 3, there are no more DLCs, there's nothing more for me to spend money on, until another Witcher game comes out, which we anticipate will come. But as I say, it's kind of a one-off. So I'm interested in that potentially recurrent part of the business in GWENT.

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

So yes, I mean, of course, we have accumulated a great deal of experience from the past couple of years when it comes to operating a live game. This was the first one for us. So this has been a big experience. In theory, we knew quite a bit. But in practice, of course, turns out that you keep learning with every day as you make progress, and that was definitely the case with us.

When it comes to the learnings we've taken from GWENT to Cyberpunk, then yes, of course, there is going to be quite a few things that we will take out from that and apply to Cyberpunk multiplayer. Not to Cyberpunk single player, there's not going to be any micro transactions or anything of the kind in the CP single player, as we stated a number of times.

But I prefer to emphasize that every time because then things get caught in a weird way sometimes. But in the multiplayer, yes, I mean, multiplayer is something that we're planning not just to launch but, of course, to operate. So this is a long-term thing we're envisioning, and it's an operation that's going to have, you may imagine, kind of like GWENT has, a few smaller launches from the moment of its, let's say, big opening. So there's going to be additional content produced and launched on a regular and steady cadence. So that's definitely the plan for Cyberpunk. We want to be sure that people who will enjoy that kind of formal gameplay will be willing and happy to come back for new content as we keep developing that.

[Kenneth Rumph, analyst]

Thanks, Michal. I'm sure you're right to remind people about no monetization in Cyberpunk single player before Twitter melts. Can I just come back to Adam, and ask a question related on the point to staff. How do you feel about your experience of working from home and the potential for the future operations of the group, either in kind of, in a sense, Warsaw or Roßlau staff working from home, but also the potential for you to have a kind of distributed workforce because apparently, you can pretty effectively. People can work from home and home doesn't have to be Warsaw or Poland. Have you had any thoughts about the kind of longer-term pattern of work?

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

Yes. We have but we are not ready to share it yet. We are still discussing it, and we are not sure. I mean we'll see how we'll feel in September after next 3 months. And one thing I'm pretty sure about is that in a creative environment, being able to work in a group, in one place, adds value, adds value. That's why we try to do as much as possible in Warsaw. Of course, we have 2 teams out of Warsaw, but everything gravitates to Warsaw eventually. So the -- I'm a bit skeptical about long-term full-time remote work, I would say.

[Operator]

The next question is from Nick Dempsey, Barclays.

[Nick Dempsey, analyst]

I've got 2 follow-ups. First of all, Ubisoft, at their most recent call, they talked about issues around motion capture, some localization issues, voice recording, some of those things that need to be done physically, which they worried would delay perhaps one of their games or more. Is all of that done Cyberpunk, all the things that work in that kind of list that would be most difficult to do at home? Is that behind you in the project?

And the second question. I'm sure you must have been tracking the recent uptick in sales of games consoles globally during lockdown. Do you think that uptick is enough to make you more confident about the number of console units of Cyberpunk you can sell? Or does it normally move the needle enough?

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

All right. So it's Michal Nowakowski, again, I'll take this one. So when it comes to mocap and all, all these things, which created a lot of difficulties for some of the other studios are actually behind us, yes. So as I think we mentioned during the last conference, we -- the main biggest challenges in terms of like the raw production, I would say, were with some of the localizations, some of the recordings. And those challenges are actually slowly going away. I'm not saying they're completely gone, but they're minor. So we're not really worried about that. But when it comes to like physical mocap sessions and so on, I mean, we're good with that. So this is no longer a threat. We're more at a back fixing stage and polishing the final quality of the game than the stages that you described earlier.

Now when it comes to the number of consoles. We've been confident with the number of consoles before. So of course, the more consoles, the better for us from our perspective. It's very hard to draw a direct correlation between the number of potential units sold and the number of consoles sold, especially the ones that were sold at the end of the life cycle, because these are very often very casual consumers who may reach for a sports or racing game, but not necessarily for something like we're doing. So I don't think we're really attaching that great a value to that. I'm pretty sure there will be some consumers for us in that last cohort of new consumer owners. But I don't think we're really creating in our heads, large value around that, to be perfectly honest.

[Operator]

He seems like he is not anymore in the teleconference right now. And we have no further questions. [Operator Instructions]

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

All right. so the first question I see is from Mr. Szymon Nowak from BNP Paribas. "Do you plan more cooperation with NVIDIA, connecting sales of Cyberpunk where graphic cards or something else?"

So we can only talk about what is announced. So we have announced that there is a -- we have a marketing coop with NVIDIA, so there's quite a few things happening between us, which were announced beforehand. Most of them are announced and some few things may still come up. But we're not planning to bundle Cyberpunk keys with graphic cards, which is a very specific question and I can definitely respond. This is not in plan. It's currently the things that -- the things to come is more about certain PR activities around each other's brands, which is a normal activity in terms of marketing cooperation. But NVIDIA is a partner for sure and continues to be so for Cyberpunk.

[Operator]

We have another question by the telephone lines, is from Piot Lopaciuk.

[Piotr Lopaciuk, analyst]

Piotr Lopaciuk, PKO. I have a question. Just correct me if I'm wrong. But when we were talking like 3 months ago, we were talking about some time buffers. And maybe that it's a September date because maybe summer date would not be the best for sales or it could be even earlier. Now I think there's some -- a bit more focus on the fact that working from home makes some difficulties. Is this correct impression?

Or just any -- or just one thing, I mean, could you elaborate a bit on that? How sure in -- earlier you were talking about some time buffers. Now it looks that you can move -- can postpone the release. And -- but sure, I imagine you would still focus on doing that still on the current generation of consoles, yes?

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

So I think you're touching upon similar thing that was asked in the very beginning, I recall that question. I pretty much have not much to add there, to be honest. As mentioned, we're working towards the 17th work from home and closing the game from home is a first one for us, but that's pretty much it.

I mean -- and as I also mentioned in yet another question, yes, we're working towards the current gen consoles in PCs. And when it comes to next-gens, we're definitely going to be out on them. But we're going to announce when we have something to announce, which is unfortunately not now.

[Operator]

The next question is from Tomasz [indiscernible].

[Unknown Analyst]

Yes. Can you hear me now? Hello?

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

Yes.

[Unknown Analyst]

Yes. My first question was already answered. I wanted to ask about this localizations and how is the progress going. I remember that you were talking that this pandemic environment is slowing down. But I guess that you mostly got that through this.

And the second question is, yes, the company is getting bigger with regard to the capitalization, and I wonder if you have even considered dual listing on some other exchanges than Warsaw Stock Exchange and DCS. What kind of benefits would you like to see with this dual listing process?

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

All right. Adam Kicinski here. I'll take this one. Well, dual listing is something, something we might consider one day. But to be clear, CD Projekt is a Polish company, we are doing business in Poland and we are listed on Polish Stock Exchange and we are happy with this. I mean the only thing we might consider one day is to have an access to a broader audience of funds, but this is a matter of the rather distant future. So -- so for now, we are focused on delivering the game, and we are not considering any projects like this in the nearest future.

[Operator]

The next question is from Mr. [ Nowak ], IPOPEMA Securities [indiscernible].

[Unknown Analyst]

[ Patrick ] [indiscernible] on question. As a follow-up to one of the previous questions, it was said that the recruitment for 2020 was slowed down. Could you please provide then some update regarding your plans when exactly you expect the company to be able to work on 2 AAA titles at the same time with 2 full teams in full capacity? I am not thinking about the multiplayer but on triple base play titles.

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

Multiplayer is planned to be AAA. So multiplayer, it's definitely among them. And bear in mind that we don't need the same size of a team for the whole course of the production. So it's better to start with a smaller team like, I don't know, 70, 80 people, sometimes even 50 for the first year. And then you grow the team during the preproduction, and it grows rapidly when you enter the full production phase, so somewhere in the middle of the project. So we don't have to, and it's better not to have 2 big teams -- I mean teams, which are too big at the very beginning. So I believe that we are ready after Cyberpunk to start working on more than one time -- one thing at a time.

[Operator]

We have no further telephone questions. I would like to hand back to you, gentlemen.

[Piotr Nielubowicz, executive]

Yes. So if possible, I'd like to refer the question from Anna Kazaryan. The question is, "Could you please clarify your decision to allocate cash assets towards the purchase of treasury bonds?"

The decision is based on the idea of further diversification, how we allocate the cash. Historically, we kept all our cash in banks, and we decided that due to possible higher volatility of the market, it's better to spread it and not only to keep it in banks, but also to purchase some of the T bonds. And that's what we are arranging right now.

The second part of the question says, does it anyhow exclude potential dividends after the release of Cyberpunk? No, definitely not. I mean, the 2 events are not related one to another. I would rather say that the idea of diversification cash right now comes from the fact that we are not assuming any dividend for this year. So we know how much cash we have for now, and do we want to relocate or spread the funds that we currently have on hand.

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

All right. Then the question I have is from Mr. Philip [ Kuiridge ]. "Did you change your internal assumption regarding digital copy shares versus physical during the first month of the launch of Cyberpunk?"

So we do assume that there may be more copies sold in digital than we, let's say, planned, I don't know, in 2019, just because this year and the situation has been first experience of buying something digitally for a lot of people and probably some other people are going to convert maybe permanently or semi permanently.

At the same time, you have to remember that we actually have a very attractive physical offering in the units we're offering in the physical retail, which is highly unusual situation for a new game being launched. So what I'm saying here is probably there's going to be some consumers who will still want to have that physical copy, so we're not changing that share between -- internally. But share between digital and physical by a landslide, it's -- we do assume there may be some uptick, but not a huge major one. But it's a guessing game, to be honest.

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

Adam Kicinski. And I'll take the question from Szymon Nowak. And the question is, "What is the expected stable FPS rate on Xbox One?"

And I'm sorry, but this is to be announced in the future. So we are not revealing this kind of details as for now. So it will be -- you will be provided with this information closer to it.

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

And the next one, it's from Mr. Neil Campling from Mirabaud. "Do you have more details around the mid-June playable information for media in invited gamers? Are they signing NDAs? Is this for company-only feedback?"

So let me start from the end, maybe. The media invited into the hands-on, of course, signing NDAs, but there's an embargo. After that embargo passes, they will be able to reveal, well, their opinions on where they experienced publicly. So I guess that answers the latter part of your question. So it's not for company-only feedback. It's not more previous, it's not internal feedback. It's actually meant to be revealed publicly. And frankly speaking, this is as much as we can reveal here and now about the mid-June heads-on experience.

Yes. Okay. And the next question is from [ Mr. Konrad Krasuski ]. "Do you expect that elevated demand for games will be sustainable after lockdown and having in mind looming economic downturn? Or it will require much stimulus from studios to keep players of consoles, PCs, [indiscernible]?"

It's a very convoluted question, but let me put it like this. I -- we do strongly believe -- I believe that high-quality entertainment, in a form of a video game or a movie or anything else really, is going to be sustainable after lockdown ends. People will -- people are, of course, craving going out and outdoor activities. But knowing humanity, that probably is going to be satiated at some point as well. And people are going to go back to more normal behavior, so some sort of equal desire to have fun, both outside and indoors with a movie or a video game and whatnot.

So I do believe that if you create a compelling experience in a form of video game, a truly AAA epic thing for people to experience, yes, they will want to have that kind of experience. They want to enjoy that, because it's just another form of having fun, which humanity enjoys. So I don't think it will require any additional stimulus apart from creating that content and, of course, telling people by form of -- by means of marketing that the game is out and making sure the media write about that, so pretty much are ABC of what we're doing. So we do not expect to have any negative impact, if that's your question, on the Cyberpunk release in that form.

[Piotr Nielubowicz, executive]

Okay. Another question from Anna Kazaryan. "Could you please give us an update about customers' behavior in April, May? Do you still see an elevated demand for gaming? Or the customers are full of gaming and you see demand is cooling down?"

Basically, please let us report this second quarter first, and then we will be glad to comment it. But there is nothing spectacular that we are noticing right now as far as we see the sales in April and May. I mean gamers are definitely not bored by games, and we do not see a significant decrease or increase towards what we were expecting basing on previous months.

[Michal Nowakowski, executive]

The next question is from Gabriela Burdach. And the question is, "How long is embargo for reviews in June?"

So of course, I cannot comment exactly on that, and I won't. But I can tell you that typically, such embargoes are made to make sure that the journalists, that the whole group of journalists that have access to such portion of the game, have enough time to experience that and writes their opinions in forms of previews and so on. So -- so it's enough to give them that kind of time. And that's as much detail as I can share.

[Adam Kicinski, executive]

As we have no more questions, I would like to thank you, and let's see on here on the results on the conference on which we'll talk about the results for the first half of this year. See you then. Bye-bye.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your attendance. This call has been concluded, you may disconnect.