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Earnings Call Transcript
2020-Q1

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. My name is Brian Robbins, and as Executive Chairman of the Board, I welcome you to this Annual Meeting of the Shareholders of Exco Technologies. I also welcome those listening to our broadcast through the Internet.I should also mention that we will be taking questions from our webcast as well as from the floor and telephone. If those listening on this webcast have any questions, please submit them at any time during the presentation using the question box on the webcast console. Those listening on the telephone will be muted until the end of the formal presentations, and then questions will be taken. We reserve the right to limit questions either in the Internet or of time or content.I also want to draw your attention to the cautionary statement on the slide. During the course of our presentation and subsequent questions-and-answers session, forward-looking statements will most likely be made. I won't read the entire cautionary statement, but for those listening by phone or Internet, it is substantially identical to that appearing at Pages 4 and 5 in our 2019 annual report.I'll now proceed with the agenda for today's meeting. In accordance with the company's bylaws, I will serve as Chairman of the meeting, and Matt Posno, Chief Financial Officer of the corporation, will act as secretary of the meeting with your approval. I will ask TSX Trust Company represented by Ms. Rosa Garofalo to act as scrutineer.Pursuant to the notice and access regulations, notice of the meeting was mailed to the shareholders on December 27, 2019, and we have received an affidavit of the corporation's transfer agent as to its mailing. Unless someone wishes to have it read, I will ask for a motion to dispense from the reading of the notice.

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Unknown Attendee

I move that the notice calling the meeting be taken as read and approved.

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Unknown Attendee

I second the motion.

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Thank you, [ Lorena ]. You've heard the motion, all in favor?[Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Contrary, if any? [Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Carried. I direct that a copy of the notice, together with the affidavit of mailing, be kept with the records of this meeting.I've received a preliminary report of attendance from the scrutineer, which indicates that a quorum is present. Since we have a quorum, I declare that the meeting has been duly called and is properly constituted to transact any business appearing on the agenda.The secretary has tabled the minutes of the annual and special meeting of shareholders held on January 30, 2019. Unless someone wishes to have them read, I will ask for a motion to approve the minutes and to dispense with their reading.

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Unknown Attendee

I move that the minutes of the annual and special meeting of shareholders held on January 30, 2019, be approved and that the reading of the minutes be dispensed with.

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Unknown Attendee

I second the motion.

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Thank you. You've heard the motion. All in favor?[Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Contrary? [Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Carried. The next item of business is the presentation of the consolidated financial statements of the corporation and its subsidiaries as at and for the year ended September 30, 2019, and the auditor's report thereon. Mr. Blake Langill, a partner with the firm of Ernst & Young, the corporation's auditors, is here today and has advised me that he knows of no points which should be raised with the shareholders at the meeting.The annual report containing the financial statements and the auditor's report was made available to shareholders under the notice and access regulations at our SEDAR website and our transfer agent website. Copies are also available here today. I would ask that you hold any questions until the end of the meeting, at which time we'll be pleased to respond.The secretary has tabled the financial statements and the auditor's report thereon, and I direct that a copy be kept within the records of the meeting.I propose to proceed with the votes on each of the election of the directors and the appointment of the auditors by way of a show of hands as the proxies received from (sic) [ show ] overwhelming support for management's recommendations.It is now in order to proceed with the election of directors at today's meeting, 7 directors are to be elected. All 7 of the 7 nominees are being renominated, and information regarding each of them is set out in the information circular, which, again, was made available at our SEDAR website and our transfer agent's website. Copies are also available here today.

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Unknown Attendee

Mr. Chairman, I have the pleasure of nominating Edward H. Kernaghan, Darren M. Kirk, Robert B. Magee, Colleen McMorrow, Paul E. Riganelli, Brian A. Robbins and Anne Marie Turnbull, all of whom are Canadian citizens as directors of the corporation to hold office until the next annual meeting of shareholders or until their successors are duly elected or appointed.

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

As no further nominations were received by the corporation within the time limit set out in the corporation's advanced notice bylaw, which was adopted by shareholders at last year's annual meeting, I declare the nominations to be closed.We have 7 persons nominated for the 7 positions of director. May I have a motion to elect the 7 nominees?

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Unknown Attendee

I move that the 7 persons nominated be elected as directors of the corporation to hold office until the next annual meeting of shareholders or until their successors are elected or appointed, subject to the provisions of the corporation's bylaws.

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Unknown Attendee

I second the motion.

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Thank you. All in favor, please raise your hands.[Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Contrary, if any?[Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Carried. I now declare that Edward Kernaghan, Darren Kirk, Robert Magee, Colleen McMorrow, Paul Riganelli, Brian Robbins and Anne Marie Turnbull have been duly elected directors of the corporation to hold office until the next annual meeting of shareholders or until their successors are duly elected or appointed.We'll now proceed with the appointment of the auditors and the authorization of the directors to fix their remuneration.

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Unknown Attendee

I move that Ernst & Young be appointed auditor of the corporation to hold office until the next annual meeting of shareholders and that the directors of the corporation be authorized to fix its remuneration.

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Unknown Attendee

I second the motion.

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

You heard the motion. All in favor? [Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Contrary, if any?[Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Carried.I now call upon Mr. Darren Kirk, our President and CEO, to comment on the corporation's performance.

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

Thank you, Brian. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I'll use my first few slides to touch on market fundamentals in the strategy of our businesses, then I'll dig into the operational aspects of our first quarter of fiscal 2020 before I then hand things over to Matthew to discuss our Q1 financial highlights.So I guess, I'll start on a somber note, but I really think our outlook is very bright. Looking at the macro environment, it's clear, our general market conditions have softened over the past year. In fact, I would say the automotive industry in both North America and Europe are effectively in a recession. Vehicle production volumes in these regions were modestly lower again in 2019 and are widely expected to be flat to slightly down this year.While we obviously can't do much about this backdrop, we continue to focus our efforts on market niches where there are undercurrents of growth. These include: one, the trend of OEMs to make their vehicles more appealing and profitable through accessorizing and help trimming the vehicle interiors; two, increasing consumer demand for larger vehicles that have more cargo and cabin space; and three, growing acceptance of the European automakers that Morocco is a low-cost and dependable supply base. By pursuing these themes, our parts businesses have achieved growth well above industry volume levels, and we fully expect this will continue. Of course, in this segment of our business, we are also agnostic to drivetrain architecture, meaning that we have equal opportunity whether the vehicle is powered by gas, battery or whatever the propulsion mechanism is.Meanwhile, as it relates to our tooling businesses, there are also segments of growth that we are very well positioned to capitalize on regardless of economic conditions. This is particularly true within the automotive industry where an acute focus on vehicle light weighting is driving the higher use of aluminum in all vehicles, especially those with electric powertrains. We have been upgrading our manufacturing processes and capabilities to fully take advantage of these trends for many years now, while staying strongly focused on innovation to drive sales and lower costs. Our large mold division clearly demonstrates all of these traits, particularly with the way that they have embraced additive manufacturing.We are now regularly incorporating 3D-printed components into the design of our molds, which greatly enhances the overall quality and performance of the die-cast process. The use of additive manufacturing in this regard is still quite nascent but growing strongly. And we have a clear lead, evidenced by our recent receipt of the Automotive News prestigious PACE Award.We are also making significant capital investments that will provide future growth opportunities in new markets. In fiscal 2019, we added to our stable of greenfield operations with the construction of our sixth extrusion tooling plant. This facility located in Mexico to service the domestic market began commercial production halfway through the year, and we have been very pleased with our early results.The success of our newest facility clearly speaks to the benefit of our standardized manufacturing processes, which provide increased flexibility and unmatched efficiency across our multiplant footprint.Elsewhere in our tooling business, Castool further expanded its main plant in Uxbridge to provide additional capacity and keep up with strong expected demand growth. And this month, Castool has acquired land for a new facility in Morocco to better penetrate the European market. We expect Castool's new plant will be operational in mid-fiscal 2021.On to Slide 9, I'll move over to the social aspect of our operations. It is clear our labor rates have increased over the last couple of years. This was particularly evident in Mexico last year when an unprecedented federal policy change doubled the minimum wage, contributing to a significant wage increases and large bonus payments to production staff. This suppressed our profits through much of fiscal 2019. However, I am pleased to report that we have concluded this year's negotiations without disruption and with compensation arrangements much closer to historical norms. Consequently, our results will benefit from a reduction in bonus payments this year relative to last year. Now it is true that wages have gone up over the last few years in Mexico and elsewhere, which has adversely impacted profits for current programs, and these higher costs will continue to hamper our financial performance through the remaining life of these programs. However, I would point out that our automotive parts programs have about 2 years remaining at any given point in time, and we are certainly incorporating higher cost into new program quotations.This is not to say that we aren't also focused on achieving continuous productivity gains and pursuing new opportunities to protect our margins. These elements are core requirements because higher prices can never solely be the answer. In this regard, we are very fortunate to have such a diverse and dedicated group of employees around the globe. I want to thank all of our employees for their hard work and commitment to working safely, which is paramount for our continued success.Turning to our capital allocation strategy on Slide 10, I would emphasize that we are generating significant free cash flow while making these substantial investments. In fiscal 2019, we generated free cash flow of $0.89 per share and returned a record $26.9 million or $0.65 per share to shareholders even as we improved our balance sheet, ending the year in a net cash position.For 2020, our capital spending will remain healthy in support of organic growth agenda, but we still expect to produce free cash flow well in excess of our dividend payment. Acquisitions continue to remain of interest, however, as I've indicated, we see lots of opportunity to grow organically, which is our current focus. Absent any acquisition activity, we expect to use our cash flow after dividends to further strengthen our balance sheet and continue to reduce our share count.I will now turn to the first quarter of 2020. On Slide 12, I'll start with our Automotive Solutions segment. Overall, industry-light vehicle production in North America was lower by about 9%, while production in Europe was down by a little less than that. Nonetheless, segment sales, excluding foreign exchange rate movements and contributions from ALC last year, were essentially flat. Segment sales in the quarter were supported by a number of program launches, particularly at Polydesign and AFX. Profitability within the segment, however, was adversely impacted by unfavorable product mix and foreign exchange rate swings, while loss contributions and uneven production associated with the GM strike added to the challenges this quarter. Ongoing inefficiencies continued in the quarter from recent program launches and a delay in some new programs being launched. Nonetheless, we continue to make progress on this front, although at a pace below our expectations.Looking at business conditions, new quoting activity has certainly slowed in the last few quarters, particularly in Europe. This is tied to softer vehicle production volumes and incremental capacity of certain automotive suppliers. In North America, quoting activity remains fairly decent, and we did have some key program wins during the quarter. We continue to see prospects for top line growth in both Europe and North America in fiscal 2020, supported by previous program wins and a reduction in the number of programs reaching completion relative to fiscal '19. Perhaps more importantly, we expect a reduction in our cost, particularly as bonus payments to production staff in Mexico will be materially lower this year.Moving on to the Casting and Extrusion segment on Slide 13 and starting with our large mold group, sales there were stable year-over-year. Quoting activity, however, remains very robust with several opportunities being pursued with both new and existing customers. Foreign exchange adjusted profitability within the group was also relatively stable year-over-year. Progress with our various efficiency initiatives is ongoing as we continue to take all kinds of hours out of jobs and further reduce lead times. This progress, however, was offset in the quarter by reduced overhead absorption at one of the group's locations due to lower volumes associated with customer timing requirements.With regards to our additive operations, demand remains strong, and we see tremendous amount of opportunity. In fact, demand has been so great that we ordered our third 3D printer near the end of the quarter.At Castool, the group's innovative portfolio of products remains very well positioned, and it is clearly an industry leader that is gaining share in both die-cast and extrusion tooling. Nonetheless, group revenues and profits were modestly lower during the quarter as market conditions softened for both consumable and capital equipment goods, particularly in the North American extrusion industry. Castool's operations in Thailand, however, did see a nice rebound as they have begun to lap weaker quarters.Looking forward, Castool's plant expansion in Uxbridge is now complete, and all equipment has been repositioned with minimal disruption. As well, Castool's third plant in Morocco continues to move ahead. Castool 90, as we call it, is now a legal entity, and the land for our new site has been acquired. We are now moving forward with building, planning and construction and expect to be operational and up and running by around mid-fiscal 2021.As discussed in recent quarters, Castool 90 will enable the group to better penetrate European customers where Castool is currently at a disadvantage given that it lacks proximity to that market.In our extrusion tooling operations, we saw North American market conditions continuing to remain weak in the quarter driven by a slowdown in the building and construction end markets. The group's overall sales were up modestly, helped by initial top line contributions from our new tooling facility in Mexico, which began commercial production on April 1. Group profitability, however, was negatively impacted by reduced overhead absorption at our mature facilities as well as start-up losses in Mexico. While it is difficult to say how long the market slowdown will persist, we remain focused on further improving our efficiency and expect start-up losses in Mexico will quickly decline as we ramp that plant up.In summary, overall market conditions remain a challenge. But we are winning more than our share of new business, and we continue to expect some relief on the cost in the quarters ahead. Meanwhile, we are making significant investments to both better position and grow our businesses for future success even while returning meaningful cash to shareholders and maintaining our exceptional financial strength.With that, it concludes my operations overview. I will now pass the discussion to Matthew to discuss the financial highlights of the quarter.

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Matthew James Posno
CFO, VP of Finance & Secretary

Thank you, Darren. Good afternoon. My comments will cover Slides 17 to 22 of the presentation. Consolidated sales for the first quarter ended December 31, 2019, were $120.4 million compared to $142 million in the same quarter last year, a decrease of $21.7 million or 15%. After adjusting for ALC sales of $19.8 million in Q1 last year because that business has been closed and the Canadian dollar strengthening in the current quarter, reducing our first quarter sales this year by $2 million, sales were essentially flat in the quarter.Consolidated EBITDA for Q1 of $15.4 million was down $3.2 million or 17% compared to last year. Over half, $1.8 million of this decline was due to a stronger Canadian dollar. The Casting Extrusion segment EBITDA was up $100,000 after adjusting for FX, and the Automotive Solutions segment EBITDA was down $1.6 million.Consolidated net income for the first quarter was $8.1 million or earnings of $0.20 per share compared to $3.8 million or $0.09 per share in the same quarter last year, an increase in net income of 111%. Excluding a net expense of $6.1 million or $0.15 a share related to ALC in the prior year period, adjusted net income was lower by 19% year-over-year.The company generated $3 million in free cash flow in the quarter. This is compared to a negative $4 million last year, after investing $6.5 million in fixed assets and $3.8 million in working capital. We used $2.7 million to purchase shares with the normal course issuer bid and $3.6 million to pay out dividends. The balance sheet, net cash balance at December 31 is $5.5 million.Walking revenue from fiscal '19 to fiscal '20, ALC and foreign exchange rate changes reduced sales of $21.8 million. After adjusting for these items, the sales from the segments remained flat, notwithstanding global weaknesses and reduced output in automotive and extrusion markets.Consolidated pretax profit before interest for Q1 was $10 million compared to $7.7 million a year ago. After adjusting for ALC's -- last year's ALC write-down and the foreign exchange impact this quarter, pretax profit was $2 million lower than the prior year. The automotive segment pretax profit was down $1.6 million, and the Casting and Extrusion segment was $300,000 lower.Turning to the automotive segment, revenue was stable after adjusting for ALC and foreign exchange. Segment EBITDA margins improved from 12.8% to 14.5%. But overall EBITDA declined $1.6 million due to the higher costs associated with labor, foreign exchange and launch costs compared to the prior year.The Casting and Extrusion segment revenue was down 1% compared to Q1 2019. EBITDA margin was down 140 basis points, and EBITDA dropped $800,000. After adjusting for Canadian dollar strengthening, sales and EBITDA were consistent with the prior year quarters -- prior year's quarter. Large mold sales were relatively stable and healthy quoting activity continues with both current and potential customers. Extrusion group sales were modestly higher during the quarter as sales for the New Mexico facility were partially offset by lower sales in North America due to softer overall market conditions.At Castool, the group's revenue was moderately lower as market conditions softened for both consumable and capital equipment goods in the quarter, particularly with the extrusion industry.On Slide 22, Exco's leverage and liquidity remains very strong. Our net cash position of $5.5 million and our revolving credit facility has $38 million available as of December 31. Exco consistently generates cash from operations, and this will be used to invest in new capital. An example would be the Castool Morocco facility, new additive technology that Darren just mentioned and other strategic capital assets, dividends and then the share buyback. This provides us with considerable flexibility to support future growth as opportunities arise.That concludes my comments. I would like to invite Brian Robbins back to the podium.

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

This is the quickest annual meeting I've ever been to. Well, thanks, Matt.Today, it's my pleasure to announce that we will again be raising the dividend by $0.05 per quarter or $0.02 on an annual basis, bringing the dividend to $0.095 per quarter or $0.38 per year. This is the 14th time we've raised the dividend since initiating it in 2006, at which time it was $0.05 per year. The only year we didn't increase the dividend was 2009, and we all remember that eventful year. I think our shareholders are happy with this performance as the company remains debt-free even after employing capital to repurchase shares.As already said, we've repurchased about 2.5 million shares over the past 2 years, reducing the float -- excuse me, reducing the share count by about 6% and at a cost of about $22 million, and we still have $5.5 million in the bank.I'll now turn the meeting back to Darren.

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

Thank you, Brian. So before we move on to a question-and-answer segment, it is with great pleasure that I can announce this year's President Award Winner. And this year's winner is Wes Byleveld. For those of you who don't know Wes, he has been the champion behind our additive manufacturing business, which was started from scratch just a few years ago and is now an unquestioned leader with several million dollars in annual sales. Wes has worked at Exco in die-cast tooling and engineering for more than 15 years, including the last 5 years in which he has led our additive manufacturing business. He has spent time at machine builders, universities and die-casters around the globe. Wes is a rare talent who has been instrumental in both the technical and commercial aspects of the business. He has designed and delivered some of the world's largest and most complex additively produced tooling for the high-pressure die-cast industry. So Wes has truly accomplished a great deal of success, but we know he is only just getting started.In fact, as I mentioned earlier, we just purchased our third 3D printer to keep up with the demand that Wes has created. And I'm pretty sure Wes will be looking for more of these machines in the very near future. I should also point out that Wes is no stranger to winning. I was with Wes last year when he received the prestigious North American News PACE Award. And for anyone not familiar with that achievement, I assure you, it is a huge deal. So come on up, Wes. Congratulations. I know you're going to have many more wins in the future, and keep up the great work.With that, you can transition the meeting to a question-and-answer session. So I'll take questions from the floor if there's any first.

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

[ Gabriel ]?

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Unknown Attendee

Earlier you mentioned that your automated tax facility more and more in Morocco in terms of the automotive part manufacturers. Can you maybe talk about -- can we say dynamic work in Mexico as you're one of the pioneers in moving to Morocco. It's been a great facility. But if more manufacturers go there, is there a pressure on labor, and we have a similar margin issue? Or is that actually a good news for you in terms of them sourcing more and more from you?

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

Thanks for the question, [ Gabriel ]. Morocco is different than Mexico, Mexico's labor market is much tighter. The demographic that we seek to hire in Morocco. Morocco, there's much greater levels of unemployment. And we have not seen the wage pressures in Morocco to date. Now obviously, as industry activity has picked up in Morocco, as the German OEMs have recognized that higher costs have occurred in Eastern Europe and look for a lower cost, dependable supplier, more businesses have moved in, and so there is more competition, but there's also more OEM plants moving to Morocco. So I think that just general levels of activity have picked up in Morocco, but no, we have not seen the wage pressures there that we have seen in Mexico.Any other questions from the floor? [ David ]?

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Unknown Attendee

Yes. You added, I think, two 5-axis machinery in the last year. I was just wondering how the throughput is on that. And is the learning curve similar to the 3 previous machines?

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

So we have ordered the machines last year in part because the lead time to get these machines is so long. In fact, we've not yet received them yet. And we won't receive them until probably July or August time frame. But no, the learning curve will not be steep at all relative to what we experienced in the past. Those inefficiencies have, for the most part, been ironed out, and we don't expect to incur them with the new machines.

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Unknown Attendee

And kind of just shifting gears to Automotive Solutions. We're always trying to throw a dart on the board in terms of the margins. It seems like it was pretty strong this quarter at 14.5%. When I factor in the onetime costs, it's probably a bit higher than that. Is that a good trend going forward? Or should we expect it to continue to grind higher?

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

I think you should expect it to continue to grind higher. The bonus payments really did start to hit in Q2 of last year. So from a year-over-year standpoint, we should see improvement. But we should also see continued improvement on a sequential basis.Any other questions? [ Ben ]?

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Unknown Attendee

I wanted to ask a question about AFX. I think in the last couple of quarters, there were -- and I think in addition to the cost problem, there were some year-over-year declines there. But it seems like this quarter has been better. Can you just sort of elaborate on the dynamics in this business?

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

Sure. Well, we did have sales contraction at AFX through much of fiscal '19. As you know, we had a number of programs that we're ending, and there's some period of time before the new programs that replace them had started to ramp up. Last quarter, we did see an improvement in the sales line at AFX, and that's been driven by the new programs that are now ramping up, and we continue to see that occur again this quarter.

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Unknown Attendee

Just a quick question on that. In terms of the mix at AFX between SUVs and sedans, in the past, it was very skewed to sedans, can you give us a ballpark, high-level number where that may be now?

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

I would guess sedans might be around 40% now at AFX versus 25% for the market. That gap is closed in part because the market has forced the adjustment but also as AFX has been continuing to diversify.

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Unknown Shareholder

I'm [ David Peters ]. I'm a shareholder. I was wondering, has the trade wars or the uncertainty related to NAFTA have any impact on your results in the past year or 2? And what might we expect going forward?

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

I would say that there's no clear impact on the Automotive Solutions side of the business, from the trade wars. Now that the USMCA has been signed at least by Mexico and the U.S. and presumably in short order by Canada, that -- any potential challenges are put to bed. But on the tooling side of the business, there was perhaps some demand destruction because of all the tariffs on steel and aluminum. And some of that still goes on. The demand within the aluminum market in North America is weak. It still may be a function of those tariffs, but it's hard to quantify any direct linkage.Any other questions from the floor? Any questions from the phone or...

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We have a question from Michael Doumet.

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Michael Doumet
Analyst

So Darren, I think you talked about this a little bit, but I just want to get a little bit more granular. So I'm trying to put together your comments as it relates to the increased wages in Mexico and the higher prices on the renewed contracts as a pass-through. I mean given we're in the second year of this, if we exclude the one-time bonus payments, like are margins trending up or down?

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

Well, margins, I mean, I guess, they've been pressured over the last couple of years, really. But I would think, at this point, we've hit the trough. And with the bonus payments reducing year-over-year in fiscal '20 versus '19, we will start to see some improvement on the cost side. But then also new programs that we have been placing some of this higher pricing in are now going to be starting up in short order, and that will improve things as well. So things will start to grind higher from here is our expectation.

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Michael Doumet
Analyst

Okay. And just given the contracts last 3 to 5 years, presumably, that's the time line we should think to get to sort of the previous margins that you guys had?

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

Yes. I think it is going to take kind of that period of time to fully get back to where we were. But you'll start to see things pick up in the next quarter or 2.

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Michael Doumet
Analyst

Okay. Well, that's good to hear. And just maybe 1 other question. You talked about ample opportunity in Polydesign and AFX. But if I heard you correctly, a little bit less in Europe as it relates to Automotive Solutions. So macro is softening both. So I'm just wondering what's driving the larger opportunity set in North America.

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

I think it's -- Polydesign is in a pretty unique position, given that they are very well established in Morocco. And they are the go-to company for wrapping all kinds of components. They have expanded their capabilities to other products in the past several years, and they continue to do that. So to the extent that there's been a shift in demand from Eastern Europe to Morocco, Polydesign has taken a disproportionate amount and, therefore, growing faster than the market.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

I think that was just instructions.If that was a question, we are unable to understand it. If you could repeat the question, please?

Operator

I'm showing no questions.

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Darren Michael Kirk
President, CEO & Director

Okay. Any questions from the web? Okay.With that, I'm going to pass the mic back to Brian.

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Well, 35 minutes, that's not bad, eh? This stuff is pretty dry. As there is no further business to be brought before the meeting, I ask for a motion to terminate.

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Unknown Attendee

I move that the meeting terminate.

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Unknown Attendee

I second the motion.

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

You've heard the motion. All those in favor?[Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Contrary?[Voting]

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Brian Andrew Robbins
Executive Chairman of the Board

Carried.I now declare the meeting terminated. Thank you for coming out today, ladies and gentlemen.