Vecima Networks Inc

TSX:VCM

Earnings Call Analysis

Vecima Networks Sees Strong Start with 33% Revenue Growth and Promising Outlook

In the first quarter of fiscal 2025, Vecima Networks achieved impressive revenue of $81.9 million, a 33% year-over-year increase. The Video and Broadband Solutions segment drove this growth, particularly through a 76% rise in DAA sales. Although the Content Delivery and Storage segment saw a 54% decline due to project delays, strong services sales provided support. Operating income rose 69% to $4.5 million, and cash flow from operations jumped to $24.4 million. Looking ahead, the company expects momentum to build in the second half, supported by new product rollouts and ongoing demand from government funding initiatives.

Impressive Start to Fiscal 2025

Vecima Networks kicked off its fiscal year 2025 on a strong note, showcasing a year-over-year revenue growth of 33%, reaching $81.9 million in the first quarter. While this is notably below the $87 million record set in the previous quarter, this performance still marks the second-best quarterly revenue in the company's history.

Segment Performance Insights

The Video and Broadband Solutions (VBS) segment was a primary contributor, generating $72.9 million, a striking 65% increase year-over-year, driven largely by the successful rollout of the new EN9000 GAP node, which saw a remarkable 76% growth in sales. However, commercial video products faced a decline of 15% year-over-year and 23% quarter-over-quarter due to customers transitioning to next-generation platforms.

Content Delivery and Storage Segment Fluctuations

In stark contrast, the Content Delivery and Storage (CDS) segment experienced significant revenue fluctuations, with sales dropping to $7.2 million, representing a 54% decrease compared to last year. This decrease stemmed from delays in IPTV deployment projects. While the first quarter was disappointing, the company expects a solid recovery in Q2 as these projects ramp up.

Telematics Segment Shows Growth

The Telematics segment performed well, with revenues increasing by 5% year-over-year to $1.7 million. The demand for movable asset tracking services continues to grow, indicating a positive outlook for this area.

Margins and Operating Expenses

Gross profit rose by 14% year-over-year to $34.2 million, though gross margin declined to 41.7% compared to 48.8% in the previous year. This margin contraction is attributed to a product mix shift favoring the lower-margin EN9000 GAP platform and reduced high-margin CDS sales. Operating expenses were carefully managed, totaling $29.6 million, reflecting a decrease as a percentage of sales from 44% in the previous year to 36%. Although R&D spending increased, it accounted for a smaller proportion of total revenues.

Strong Cash Flow and Debt Reduction

Cash flow from operations surged to $24.4 million, up from $8.4 million the previous year. This substantial increase facilitated a $15.8 million reduction in the company’s revolving line of credit, which stood at $36 million at the end of the quarter, showcasing effective management of financial resources.

Future Growth Drivers and Guidance

Looking ahead, Vecima is optimistic about fiscal 2025. The company anticipates stronger demand from its various segments as it rolls out new technologies like Falcon V solutions and ramps up deployments of the vCMTS platform. While Videma has tempered its expectations regarding the U.S. BEAD program for this year, it remains hopeful for significant growth from this future initiative, alongside existing fiber access funding programs. The full-year guidance suggests that gross margins may be below the targeted range of 45% to 49%, primarily due to product mix but expects to see a stronger exit rate by fiscal year-end driven by higher contributions from EntraOptical and the introduction of the vCMTS.

Dividend Announcement

Furthermore, the Board of Directors has approved a quarterly dividend of $0.055 per share, payable on December 16, 2024, underscoring the company's commitment to returning value to its shareholders.

Conclusion

In summary, Vecima Networks demonstrated a strong performance in Q1 of fiscal 2025, despite some challenges in select segments. The company’s strategic developments, robust cash flow, and disciplined management indicate a positive trajectory towards growth, making it an intriguing prospect for investors.

Earnings Call Transcript 2025-Q1

[Operator]

Hello, this is the Chorus Call conference operator. Welcome to Vecima Networks' First Quarter Fiscal 2025 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions]

Presenting today on behalf of Vecima Networks are Sumit Kumar, President and CEO; and Jud Schmid, Chief Financial Officer.

Today's call will begin with executive commentary on Vecima's financial and operational performance for the first quarter fiscal 2025 results. Lastly, the call will finish with a question-and-answer period for analysts and institutional investors. The press release announcing the Company's first quarter fiscal 2025 results, as well as detailed supplemental investor information are posted on Vecima's website at www.vecima.com, under the Investor Relations heading.

The highlights provided in this call should be understood in conjunction with the Company's unaudited interim consolidated financial statements and accompanying notes for the 3 months ended September 30, 2024 and 2023.

Certain statements in this conference call and webcast may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable security laws, from which Vecima's actual results could differ. Consequently, attendees should not place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. All statements other than the statements of historical facts are forward-looking statements. These statements include, but are not limited, to statements regarding management's intentions, beliefs or current expectations with respect to market and general economic conditions, future sales and revenue expectations, future costs, and operating performance. These statements are not a guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict and/or are beyond our control. Vecima disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law.

Please review the cautionary language in the Company's first quarter earnings report and press release for fiscal 2025, as well as its annual information form dated September 19, 2024, regarding the various factors, assumptions, and risks that could cause actual results to differ. These documents are available on Vecima's website at www.vecima.com under the Investor Relations heading and on SEDAR at www.sedarplus.ca.

At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Kumar, to proceed with his remarks. Please go ahead.

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

Thank you. Good morning and welcome, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Our 2025 fiscal year got off to a busy start with a number of strategic developments in our VBS and CDS segments.

I'm going to start today with an overview of these, and other highlights. Jud will follow with details on our first quarter financial performance, and then I'll return to talk about our outlook going forward.

Starting with our Video and Broadband Solutions segments. On October 11, we announced our tuck-in acquisition of Falcon V Systems, which brought us 2 important new technologies. The first is called Principal Core, a platform virtual orchestration technology that Falcon has been developing over the past 5 years. It helps operators move towards their vision of convergence across multiple access platforms, cable and fiber access, and even mobile going forward. Meanwhile, it enables smooth multivendor and multicore interoperability.

The second is Falcon's Test Suite Solution. This is an end-to-end test platform that lets operators significantly speed up and scale their DAA software upgrades, particularly in multivendor, multicore environments. The Access Test Suite drives substantially faster iteration, verification, and deployment for operator projects rolling out to millions of homes and subscribers.

Noting again that DAA represents the first time that the industry is distributing software, compute, and intelligence out and into the network itself, and in so doing unlocking materially higher capacity and performance. It's distributed access architecture in name and in function.

Both technologies are critical for operators pursuing network convergence strategies, which aim to integrate different types of access networks and traffic into a single network and broadband services infrastructure in order to simplify management, speed deployments, and reduce costs.

Simply stated, they're highly valuable technologies for operators. They're also an excellent fit for Vecima. As you know, flexibility and interoperability are key product differentiators for Vecima, and we expect Principal Core and Test Suite will become important components of our overall and wide-reaching set of cable and fiber access solutions.

That in turn accelerates the roadmap and expansion plans we have for our entry of cloud platform overall, including vPON and our newly launched Virtual Cable Modem Termination System or vCMTS. I should also point out that the lead customer for the Falcon V software platforms is Charter, also the lead customer for many of our own Entra DAA solutions. So this combination will advance convergence of the provisioning and orchestration layer, across Charter's access ecosystem, and right out of the gate it gives us a multiyear rollout agreement for our newly acquired products.

In terms of other developments in the VBS segment, we're near completion of additional field trials for Entra EXS1610 All-PON Shelf, as we prepare for broader deployments going forward. This is another innovative Entra solution that provides maximum flexibility for customers, by enabling them to cost effectively deploy fiber-to-the-premises in any market or hub deployment, particularly in footprints where their fiber access networks are higher in density.

We also increased customer engagement for our new vCMTS platform during the quarter, as we progressed lab trials with our lead Tier 1 customer, and initiated new lab trials with additional Tier 2s and 3s. We continue to set our sights on initial revenue contribution from vCMTS software, possibly as soon as the latter part of this fiscal year.

Q1 also brought us further some advances for our next generation DOCSIS 4.0 technology, as we demonstrated the interoperability of our DOCSIS 4.0 Remote-PHY device against third-party cores, and at the SCTE TechExpo, we also showcased our new Unified 4.0 platform with Cox Communications.

In our Content Delivery and Storage segment, we made significant strides with both our Open CDN and Dynamic Ad Insertion technologies. Earlier this week, we announced implementation of a first phase of Dynamic Ad Insertion with Hotwire Communications in preparation for their full adoption of a dynamic targeting down the road.

And in another key development, we announced an exclusive global agreement with Digital Harmonic yesterday, to market its KeyFrame Media Optimization product. This is a very high value solution that substantially optimizes video quality and reduces bit rates, while reducing costs for operators significantly.

We'll begin offering it as a part of our comprehensive MediaScale suite of products starting immediately. So a number of key technology developments in both VBS and CDS, as we started our new fiscal year, and each one builds on our industry leading portfolio of DAA and IPTV products.

In terms of operating results, sales in Q1 of $81.9 million represented the second highest quarterly sales in Vecima's history, and were up 33% year-over-year. Our VBS segment drove the lion's share of this, led of course by next generation Entra sales. To add a bit of historical context, again, 4 years ago Entra contributed just $5.2 million to our Q1 sales. This quarter that's grown to $68.3 million, an over 13-fold increase that underscores both the success and importance of our Entra DAA portfolio.

Looking at some Entra highlights more closely, it was another strong quarter for ERM3 Remote PHY deliveries to Charter as part of their hybrid fiber coax upgrade initiative. As we mentioned previously, Charter intends to use our solution for a substantial portion of their footprint wide cable access network upgrade to DAA, and as such it represents a major multiyear revenue opportunity for Vecima, and one that's still in the initial phases of its rollout.

Q1 also brought the first volume shipping of our new EN9000 Gap node platform and deliveries are progressing well. The EN9000 is a powerful and future proof solution that enables customers to easily transition to 10-gig, 10G, and DOCSIS 4.0 technologies, while protecting their current network investments.

Our EntraOptical 10-gig fiber access products, were also a significant contributor to Q1 results, but not quite to the same extent as we've seen in previous quarters. This relates to the somewhat slower starting timeline for the USD 42.5 billion federal BEAD program than initially expected.

While our customers are still actively progressing their funded rural broadband fiber expansions, for the most part they're doing so today with support from the existing Rural Digital Opportunity Fund.

Looking at other parts of our VBS segment, you'll recall we've been anticipating a slowdown in our commercial video sales for some time now. Customers are shifting to next-gen technologies like Terrace IQ, and these products are also increasingly accounted for under DAA categories. We saw that slowdown materialize in Q1, with a decrease in commercial video sales both year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter. Overall however, it was a solid start to the year for our VBS segment with ongoing strength from Entra.

Turning to our CDS segment, as we've discussed previously, sales in this segment tend to be more lumpy with timing of large projects able to produce significant quarterly swings. That was the case in Q1, as we experienced delays related to customer IPTV deployment projects and expansions. We expect to see those projects get underway again in Q2, helping to strengthen CDS results.

Despite the project delays, the CDS segment did achieve very robust services sales in Q1, which underscores the strong and increasing support components of the business, as the number and the size of deployed systems in the market continues to grow.

Our Telematics segment also had another good quarter, as we continue to attract new customers for our very successful asset tracking business. We're now monitoring over 72,000 assets for over 200 customers. So overall, a busy start to the year with key technology developments setting the stage for Vecima's future and ongoing growth.

I'll be back to talk more about our outlook in just a few minutes, but first I'll turn the call over to Jud to review our financial results. Jud?

[Judson Schmid, executive]

Thanks, Sumit. Good morning, good afternoon to everyone. Today I'll be reviewing our first quarter fiscal '25 financial performance in more detail. And for purposes of this call, I'll assume that everyone has seen our Q1 fiscal 2025 news release, MD&A, and financial statements posted on Vecima's website.

As Sumit indicated, we achieved a solid start to the year with our second-best quarterly revenue of $81.9 million, that was up 33% year-over-year, although 6% below the all-time record performance we achieved in Q4.

Our Video and Broadband Solutions segment contributed first quarter sales of $72.9 million with revenues growing 65% year-over-year. As we expected, Entra DAA sales were the key driver, supported by the volume rollouts of our new EN9000 GAP node. Our Q1 DAA sales grew 76% year-over-year.

On a sequential quarterly basis, VBS segment sales were down 2% reflecting an essentially flat quarter for Entra together with the anticipated decrease in commercial video sales. At $4.5 million, commercial video products were 15% lower year-over-year and 23% lower quarter-over-quarter, as customers transition to next generation platforms.

In our Content Delivery and Storage segment, we experienced a significant quarterly revenue fluctuation with Q1 sales of $7.2 million, decreasing 54% year-over-year and 35% quarter-over-quarter. As Sumit noted, lumpiness is normal for this segment, but we expect to see a solid recovery in Q2.

Turning to Telematics, this segment turned in another solid quarter with sales of $1.7 million increasing 5% year-over-year, as we achieved gains with our movable asset solution strategies.

Gross Profit for the first quarter, increased 14% year-over-year to $34.2 million reflecting higher sales, partially offset by lower gross margin of 41.7%, as compared to 48.8% last year. The shift in our gross margin, is mostly product mix related and reflects the rollout of our new EN9000 GAP platform, which carries a lower margin profile. As well, the reduction in high margin CDS product sales impacted our Q1 margins.

I also want to note that starting in fiscal '25 that in order to report more comparably to our competitors, we've changed the way we've recorded our sales commissions, which are now being reported for the most part in operating expenses, instead of cost of goods sold. This change has been reflected for all prior periods being reported, and increased our gross margins between 1.5 and 2 percentage points in those prior periods.

Our first quarter operating expenses including share-based comp and acquisition related expenses, increased $2.3 million to $29.6 million, but as a percentage of sales, OpEx decreased 36% from 44% in Q1 of last year.

The notable changes year-over-year were as follows: R&D expenses increased by $1.6 million to $11.9 million, reflecting higher salary and wage costs, as we continue to invest in future product development. Investing in R&D is what keeps Vecima a leader in our space.

Adjusting for deferrals, amortization of deferred development costs and income tax credits, our actual cash R&D investment increased to $15.1 million from $13.4 million, but as a percentage of revenues also decreased to 18% from 22% of revenues in Q1 of last year.

First quarter sales and marketing expenses, were $1 million higher at $9.4 million, mostly due to higher variable compensation, as well as additional expenses aimed at supporting future sales. As a percentage of revenue, our sales and marketing expenses decreased to 12% from 14% year-over-year.

First quarter G&A expenses decreased by $700,000 to $7.5 million. This reflects a decrease in depreciation and amortization partially offset by higher staffing costs and professional fees. As a percentage of sales, G&A expenses decreased to 9% from 13%.

Taken as a whole, we maintained continued tight control of our operating expenses in Q1. We consider this to be a positive trend and continue to spend only where necessary, to support the future growth of the company.

Looking at our bottom line results, first quarter operating income was up 69% year-over-year to $4.5 million. This primarily reflects the higher VBS sales, and partially offset by lower CDS sales despite overall lower consolidated gross margin percentages.

We recorded a foreign exchange gain of a $0.5 million in the first quarter, which compares to a foreign exchange loss of $600,000 in the same period last year. A strengthening Canadian dollar positively impacted the translation of monetary liabilities, resulting in that FX gain.

As a result, we achieved Q1 net income of $2.1 million or $0.09 per share, which was up from $1.7 million or $0.07 per share in the same quarter of fiscal '24. Year-over-year revenue growth, together with stabilization of operating expenses helped us increase our adjusted EBITDA to $11.6 million in Q1. That was 43% higher than in the same period last year, where we saw $8.1 million of adjusted EBITDA.

Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the fourth quarter with $2.2 million in cash, as compares to -- compared to $2.1 million last quarter to end fiscal '24. Working capital of $83.5 million, decreased slightly from the $84.9 million at the end of last quarter. Still solid, but we continue -- but we plan to continue to drive sales of existing on hand inventories in order to further monetize this working capital component.

Lastly, cash flow provided by operations for the first quarter increased to $24.4 million from $8.4 million during the same period last year. As a result of this $16 million increase in cash flow from operating activities, we were able to paydown our revolving line of credit by $15.8 million in the first quarter.

Our quarter end draw on our line of credit was sitting at $36 million, and as noted in our year end call, our draw on our line of credit peaked at $81.7 million at the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2024. So continued progress in paying down this line.

On a final note, the Board of Directors approved a quarterly dividend of $0.055 per common share payable on December 16, 2024, to shareholders of record as of November 22, 2024. It's important to note that this dividend will be designated as an eligible dividend for Canadian income tax purposes.

Overall, despite a slight downturn in quarter-over-quarter revenues, and a change in product mix affecting gross margins, we had a solid start to the year. Our robust year-over-year sales growth and continued tight control of our operating expenses, helped us once again achieve strong bottom line performance.

Now back to Sumit, to discuss our outlook update for the rest of the fiscal year.

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

Thank you, Jud. As we move forward, we see fiscal 2025 as a solid growth year for Vecima, with momentum building more strongly in the second half. On the DAA side, volume deployments of our platforms are continuing to ramp up, including the EN9000 GAP node.

By the second half we expect to be layering in EXS1610 All-PON Shelf deliveries together with another remote OLT variant introducing this year. And our new Falcon V solutions will also provide additional revenue opportunities as the year progresses.

As I mentioned earlier, we've tempered our expectations of what we'll see from the U.S. BEAD program for this year, but over time we expect this USD 42.5 billion rural broadband funding program to be a significant growth driver and opportunity for our fiber access portfolio. In the interim, we're continuing to see strong demand from operators accessing funding from the existing Rural Digital Opportunity Fund.

Looking further ahead, our entry into the vCMTS market provides another significant growth driver opportunity for Vecima. All told, our multiple product rollouts and recent developments are creating a strong foundation for VBS growth in fiscal 2025 and beyond.

Turning to our Content Delivery and Storage segment, we anticipate a stronger second quarter as IPTV projects that were delayed in Q1, start to get underway. And we continue to see full year segment growth supported by existing and new customers, IPTV upgrades and expansions, as well as the continued rollout of our new dynamic ad insertion products.

Open CDN is also expected to start providing some contribution in fiscal 2025, with our first deployments expected in coming quarters. Added to this, we expect to realize opportunities for our new partnership with Digital Harmonic. The new KeyFrame technology offers massive savings and capacity increases for operators, and is poised for wide scale adoption. This also provides access to new customers, creating opportunities to grow other lines, of our MediaScale business in turn.

Longer term, we continue to see robust future growth potential as IPTV and OTT streaming services markets continue to expand, and the open caching and dynamic advertising growth engines we have developed mature.

Finally, in our Telematics business, we expect continued profitable growth, as demand for our newer movable asset tracking services grows, and as additional subscriptions come in from the fleet tracking market. On a consolidated basis, we expect our product mix to deliver a gross margin slightly below our target range of 45% to 49% for the full year in fiscal '25, reflecting our product mix for the year as Jud discussed.

However, by year's end, we anticipate a significantly stronger exit run rate from gross margins, driven by increasing contributions from EntraOptical and our introduction of Entra vCMTS later in the year.

In summary, we remain confident in the overall expansion of the business in fiscal '25. The convergence of opportunities in our VBS and CDS segments, combined with our expectation of continued profitable growth in the Telematics segment, has created a foundation for strong full year growth in fiscal '25, and a remarkable runway for Vecima's longer term success.

That concludes our formal comments today. We'd now be happy to take questions. Operator?

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Steven Li with Raymond James.

[Steven Li, analyst]

My first question, Sumit, is on Charter. When they reported, they said their CapEx for the year came in lower than expected. They spoke of software certification and integration. Does that impact your ramp with them in any way?

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

Steven, yes, so, I think as you said, Charter kind of provides some color around where they're standing today. And as we've always said, they're conducting a major upgrade program. A major tier one operator like this has to do significant qualification verification efforts on a system level basis that includes not only Vecima's Remote PHY products,

but the virtual CMTS all the way downstream to the modems and upstream on the provisioning and billing systems. So that takes -- they have to -- they have to work through a significant process of verification on the complete software integration. Now, as we've talked about for a long time, I mean, Vecima excels at that integration effort and the interoperability.

So we're in good bet in that regard. But on a system basis, it is taking them the requisite time to launch that program. The good news is that this phase that's attached to this overall cable access upgrade, the stage to move to DAA for the first time, is anticipated to get underway as we go forward.

[Steven Li, analyst]

And then on the press release on Digital Harmonic, can you give us some more colors, Sumit, like are you expecting this partnership to drive revenues in fiscal '25?

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

We are. I mean, there's a lot of built-up demand and the customer said, we've got global exclusivity in media and telecom. And the solution stands apart for its capability to reduce bitrates and increase quality, by leveraging things like generative AI and machine learning. And that's what very attractive to a very broad set of potential customers, including operators and streamers and content providers.

So this is incremental savings and bitrates, incremental improvements in quality from anything they're doing with encoding and transcoding today. And it's -- based on patented technology on the AI side, and the signal analysis and what's happening there. So it's very unique, it's very attractive and there's a lot of opportunity in the funnel. So we are expecting contribution to build into the picture this year.

[Steven Li, analyst]

And so is there a start-up phase or even in Q2, we start to see contribution?

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

Q2 is probably a little bit quick on that side. Of course, conversations and engagements have been ongoing even before we announce the agreement. So that's continuing to develop. So somewhere in this fiscal year, we're expecting to see things, come into the overall consolidation in the CDS segment from KeyFrame.

[Steven Li, analyst]

And then my last question, Sumit, is the commentary on BEAD delays. Do you have any BEAD revenues in your fiscal 2025 forecast at this point or not really?

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

At this point, I think, we've looked at it very realistically, with respect to BEAD, I think, about 55 or 56 states and territories have gone through this Volume 2 or Phase 2 of the initial application process. Now they're moving to the final proposal phase, where they select ISPs and submit all the details of their plans.

They have up to a year to do that, after they complete that Phase 2 of the application. So we're seeing things as continuing to develop. But in the context of the timeframe of fiscal 2025, I think our forecast is more driven by the existing rural RDOF program.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Ryan Koontz with Needham.

[Ryan Koontz, analyst]

And I hear your commentary, Sumit, on gross margin down on product mix of the Entra nodes versus RPDs. And I wonder if you can comment on how you think about that mix going forward, relative to your gross margin commentary for the year. And is there a different procurement process for those 2 different products from your major customers?

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

Ryan, yes, I think that when we talk about the influence of the mix, and the distinction between the EN9000 GAP platform and things like the RPD module. We've said the RPD module is, of course, where largely the software is implemented, and that carries a higher margin profile for us. On the other hand, the EN9000 GAP Node, while it may be a lower margin product in the sense it continues to offer this very strong result for the end customer in the sense of the modularity, and the future proofing of the network it affords. And what we can do is once you have that footprint of things like the EN9000 GAP platform strong into the cable plan, you can upgrade the software modules with that time-and-time again within it. So it's the blending of those that we look at overall.

With respect to how it influences the margin profile within fiscal '25. There is this, especially with respect to Tier 1 operators, this opportunity to buy the module separately from the platform. And we've implemented a lot of uptake for the RPD modules already and getting ready for this upgrade. And now we're in the phase where they're matching those up with the GAP platform.

So that's going to be a continued influence in the mix for us, especially in the first half of fiscal '25, leading into Q2. So we're expecting that uptake of the GAP platform to be a bit of a headwind in our mix overall in VBS for Q2. But once we get into the second half, then that starts to even out a bit more.

The optical products come into the picture, as a higher proportion of our VBS segment, again with RDOF and the fiber-of-the-home programs there. So we've had a little bit of this Tier 1 timing aspect, where there's modules preceding platforms, and ultimately the 2 are deployed together.

[Ryan Koontz, analyst]

I mean, are you seeing -– follow-up there? Are you seeing customers like buy the GAP Node, maybe only partially configured and be able to add more modular capacity as time goes forward?

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

Yes, very much so. So when a Tier 1, for example, is buying a GAP platform standalone, today they may have some inventory of 3.1 RPDs to match and populate within it. Of course, as we go to 4.0, we even have fiber access modules in the roadmap for the GAP platform. So there is this opportunity set, of course, to fill in with modules separately from the platform.

[Ryan Koontz, analyst]

And then a quick follow-up on your Falcon Test product. Sounds like some good traction there. Are you seeing some traction there with this subscription type pricing model for that or Tier 1s are still requiring more of a license type model?

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

Yes, I think, especially in that set of technologies and orchestration and verification, the favored model is still in the view of license capacity on that basis. But there's a significant amount of traffic over time, to add to the license picture in terms of how much capacity is flowing through those products. So yes, while it's not necessarily subscription basis, it does tie quite directly to how much they're leveraging the solution.

[Ryan Koontz, analyst]

And then just the last one on the product side, a lot of talk about evolution to smart amps and different ways to implement the different features there. Are there requirements in your Node and GAP type products that you have to implement to support these new different approaches to smart amps at all, or how does that affect your product line, I guess, is my question?

[Sumit Kumar, executive]

Yes, I mean big picture, of course, when you're looking at the 4.0 generally, especially Unified 4.0, there's still how you lower down segment that between Extended Spectrum and FDX. So I think, I'm trying -- I'll try to distinguish those 2 categories. So when you're doing Extended Spectrum, of course, you're going to 1.8 gigahertz. And smart amps aren't really a factor in that equation.

And when we talk about our engaged customer set, we continue to see, of course, everything is the Unified technology. But in terms of, instantiation of that, we see a little bit more preference for Extended Spectrum. Of course, you know, as any of our potential customers move towards an FDX, and they're thinking, then the interop with the -- with the smart amps will be a factor.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] As there appears to be no further questions, this concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.