HMS Networks AB

STO:HMS

Earnings Call Transcript 2021-Q1

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to HMS Networks' Q1 Report for 2021. [Operator Instructions] Today, I am pleased to present Staffan Dahlstrom, CEO; and Joakim Nideborn, CFO. Please begin your meeting.

[Staffan Dahlstrom, Co]

Thank you. Good morning, everybody, Staffan Dahlstrom here. So the agenda for today is a short summary and introduction of HMS, I will take a small business update and then leave over to Joakim for a more detailed financial update, and we end the call today with a Q&A. So just take a quick look on the financial summary for quarter 1. We are super happy. It's springtime outside, but also springtime for HMS, good growth. Net sales growth at 26% despite some headwinds on currency, but we had a fantastic order intake, growing with 41% compared to quarter 1 last year, which was a quite okay quarter for us before the pandemic hit us in 2020. So with this, we also have a stable gross margin. We are keep on improvement on the -- we keep on improving our gross margins. We have a good stable OpEx control. We have partly lower cost due to continued lower activities in trade shows, limited travels, et cetera. And this gives us a fantastic EBIT of SEK 114 million, new record level for HMS and an EBIT margin of 25%, way over our target of 20%. Of course, this is driven by a very good revenue and stable gross margin. It's also very nice to see that we have a very good cash flow, which is noteworthy when we have a good growth. At the same time, we managed to get the cash flow from operations of SEK 132 million, more than doubling from last year. And EPS stands at SEK 1.93. So a very good quarter. We are super happy with this. And I think I leave the 12 months, you see on the right side, and move over to other things, and Joakim will come back on the numbers. If you are new to HMS, we are connecting devices. We work with industrial ICT, industrial Information and Communication Technology. We have 4 major brands, Anybus, Ewon, Intesis, Ixxat. They are all market leaders in their verticals and their niches in the industrial communications business. We have also 2 recent acquisitions or fairly recent acquisitions, German WEBfactory and Dutch Procentec which is not fully integrated, and we run this as separate businesses, also contributing to our growth in a good way. And if you look at the company, we have been in business for quite many years. We are well established in our industry. We have more than 7 million devices installed around the world, and we are quite proud to have over 300,000 machines connected in our cloud systems. So we are the clear leader of this industrial IoT business, and we are well positioned here. We are a technology company. We work a lot with new technology: 5G, wireless, AI and these kind of things. But we also work with fairly conservative customers, industrial applications, such as steel plants and paper mills and these kind of things. And of course, they like technology, but they also want to have a long life cycle of the existing technology. So this is our -- we're used to handling this kind of new technology, but also very long product life cycles. We are over 700 great employees around the world in our 16 countries, where we have subsidiaries that we operate through partners. So in total we have business in over 50 countries. And we are headquartered here in Halmstad, Sweden, maybe not the central universe, but a very nice place to be in a crisp spring day like this. And if you have the opportunity to be in the neighborhood, let us know and stop by here. It's a great place. Our target, 2025, I'll be back on them. And I move over to our 2 major customer groups. We work with users of automation systems. They will normally target this market through distributors, system integrators, so it's an indirect go to market. This is 25% of our revenue. A larger portion is our makers of industrial equipments, makers of devices and machines. They will normally go to market directly, or in some cases, through selected partners, and this is 75% of our business. We just released -- the end of last year, we released our 2025 goals. We have 3 major progress areas. The environment, where we have high ambition. We would like to become a net positive company when it comes to CO2 emissions by -- already by 2025. We believe that happy and high-performing employees generate loyal customers. So this is how we work with our teams and our customers. And we would like to continue our growth and profitability in the coming years. The details of these targets are focusing on environmental aspects of the internal operations we do. What kind of energy we use? How we can become more sustainable? But we also focus on external impact through our suppliers, but also how we help our customers to minimize their impact on the environment. When it comes to our data customers, we focus on Net Promoter Scores, and our target is to be beyond 25, both from employee NPS and customer NPS. And as engineers, we are saying that our revenue should keep on growing beyond SEK 5 billion, more than SEK 3.14 billion in 2025. We would like to maintain our good EBIT margin of 20%. As I mentioned, we are way over this target, quarter 1 here. And we have a dividend policy of 30% to 50% of EPS. So with this, let me move into a short business update. I know you're all keen of hearing more about this interesting quarter. We see a broad recovery in the market, and it's really broad. All our main brands grow order intake, more than 35%. So everything is growing in a fantastic pace. The main driver to this is continue -- well, come back, I would say, of investments in manufacturing industry. We see a strong automotive sector after a couple of weak years. I guess this is driven by that they have now formed their plans for the future when it comes to electric cars and more sustainable approach, so they invest again in their supply chains and manufacturing. We, obviously, have a very good business through our robot manufacturers in Europe and Japan, mainly. Also, partly related to automotive, but we also see a strong pickup of robotic use in other industries. And we have been a bit concerned about the development in building automation. We work there with our indices brands in large scaling implementations in airports, shopping malls, hotels. And of course, these are industries that are in a tough time at the moment. But actually, this market has been quite good. Same level as last year. And this is driven by energy focus and the way how we help our customers to reduce their OpEx and energy savings in their buildings. As part of this broad recovery is also some smaller one-time effects, stocking effects, we estimate this to be SEK 60 million, SEK 70 million quarter 1. It's a combination of customers stocking up due to risk of component shortages in the industry. So people are concerned about this. Our customers stock more than normal, but also there's some increased demand. So customers are increasing their stock level to cope with the rapid changes in the industry we see from being contraction last year to expansion here. So this is giving us some short-term effect as well. But we believe that this will continue. So our outlook for the rest of the year is positive. Of course, there's some onetime effect here in quarter 1, but we see a good investment climate, if we continue for the coming quarters here. To go back and they look on our 2025 goals. How is that going? And just a few snapshots of activities we do on the environmental side, where we have the ambition to be net positive on CO2 emissions. We just hired a new sustainability manager, very important that we get more structure around this. And we have a lot of ideas and initiatives, but we need to drive this in a more structured way going forward. Already our bigger sites are on green energy, and we're taking now the remaining sites. We just converted our French office through green energy. And we are now looking also more on our transportation through HMS but also to our customers. Our biggest partner here is DHL, and we just signed up the Go Green initiative, which is a way to, I would say, limit or reduce the CO2 impact, but it's not the final solution here. We need to work on this, but it's an initiative we are starting to start a reduction here, but we need to do more things when it comes to the transportation. For staff and customers, we are doing some changes or improvements in China. We are starting a new office in Shanghai area in China. We are doing some changes and improvements and expansions in Singapore. So we do things there. And we are also continuing the work-from-home policy here. We're not sure how the pandemic will look for the next couple of months and quarters, but we are sure that we'll continue to part-time, at least, work-from-home. It's been working better than we expected. For growth and profitability, we have an ambition that half of the growth to reach the SEK 5 billion in 2025 will come from organic growth and PAT from M&A. So we just recruited our new M&A manager. Same thing here: we need more structure, we need a bigger pipeline, and we do more activities here. So the former team of myself and Joakim who was in the M&A team is now also improved by a new M&A manager. This will help us. It's also interesting to note that we see good effect from the gross margin improvement projects we did last year. So we see that this is now in full swing, helping us on the profitability side. So with this, I would like to hand over to Joakim for a financial update.

[Joakim Nideborn, Chief Financial Officer]

All right. Thank you, Staffan. And we will start with the order intake. And as you've already seen, it's a very nice number with SEK 565 million, plus 41% or 38% organics. And it's really a combination of all markets being strong. Very good to see that our biggest market, Europe, really important, with more than 60% of the sales is up 37% organically. And this is a must for us to be able to perform strong on the order intake side. And we can also note that Asia continues on a very good track, plus 67% and then versus a pretty nice comparable, actually, in Q1 last year. And we can also see that China continues to a new level for us. In 2019, our Chinese business was about SEK 50 million. Last year, it improved a lot, and I think this year, we might be heading towards the SEK 150 million. So it's -- we're taking us to a new level, and that's also why we are expanding with the new office in China to take care of that potential. On the product side on the offering side, as already seen, all our brands are performing strongly. And what's worth mentioning is that Anybus and Ixxat has been having, I guess, a period of some lower growth, are now really coming back with the investments that are being made across the industries. We see more or less all verticals are being strong for us, and we see good growth in all of them for Anybus and Ixxat. I think Ewon is tracking on more on the same track as before. We've been seeing a steady growth within Ewon for a long time and that just continues. And then for Intesis, we're moving sideways from the last part of 2020, but Q1 was a weak quarter for Intesis, and that's why you see a high-growth number. So Staffan already comment on the situation in building automation, which is a bit more challenging than in the industry as such. We also want to mention Procentec that's been also continuing on a very good track. And the main drivers of the growth in Procentec is that we've managed to close some new key accounts during last part of 2020 that helped us a bit in Q4 and now even more in Q1, so the pace is scaling up, very good there. There is a bit of stocking effect also in Procentec but even so, the SEK 61 million in Procentec is much better than we had expected. And I think we have to revise expectations a bit upwards for 4% to 12%. Also, when I mentioned that the -- you probably see that already in the bridge, down to the left, that the FX situation was a bit special in Q1 2020. And so that's why we have minus 13% from the currency effects with the Swedish krone in the early corona pandemic days were traded very low against the euro and the dollar. Let's go over to the sales. Also, this SEK 455 million, a very nice number. Of course, it's not converting as fast as the order intake when business is now going upwards, but we're very positive how this will develop going forward, given the fact that we're now building also our backlog with a nice order intake. So we're up 26%; organically, 19%. The picture looks a bit differently across the brands. I guess, that will even out in Q2 and going forward. All brands will be on a higher number. Now the main driver in terms of money will be the remote access or most data offering with Ewon that is growing by 22%. So that's, of course, a very nice number for that business. We also want to mention that we see -- we write this in the report as well, we see that the component lead times are getting longer. They are already very long. And for some components, we're talking more than a year lead time. And so far, we've been able to deliver as planned, more or less. We guess there might be some disturbance going forward. Difficult to say exactly how much. We see that for some price, we will have to prolong our lead time a little bit. But we're working hard on the supply team and software. I think we've been doing a great job in offsetting the impact. There are a lot of firefighting and daily operational challenges that they're dealing with. But so far in a very good way. So we're not too concerned going forward, but we want to flag that it is a tough situation out there. Then after have a look at the sales per region, pretty much as it normally looks. We have Americas by 21%, where the U.S. is, by far, the main part. EMEA, 62%, where Germany is 35%. And then you have APAC 17%, that we think will grow going forward as well, where China is now becoming a really big part of the APAC business, which is fun to see. And then let's move over to our EBIT or the result, which is, as you know, already very strong with SEK 140 million. It's a first-time for us being over SEK 100 million. So that's a bit of a milestone. Good to see. And the margin of 25% is, of course, an effect of the really good volume in combination with gross margin that I think is also on a record level with 64%. And then low OpEx, given the situation in large. What's the impact in the gross margin? We're up about 2 percentage points in relation to the full year 2020. And the main thing is the gross margin project work that we did last year with the price increases across our range in some -- for some parts are offering a bit more, but some are bit less and also with the good improvements we made in our supply chain. So we're now, for the first time, I think, seeing the full impact of this. We saw some improvements already in Q4, but it is not the full impact. I think, even if we have a bit of FX downside, for us now this evens out by the volume that's on a nice level. So given the situation with this volume and the currency levels as it is right now, we don't really see why we shouldn't be able to meet those 64% at least in the short-range going forward. What I want to flag also by having that said is that we started to see also slightly price increases on the component side. The picture varies a lot on some components we see big price increases and others, they are smaller. I think all in all, this could do somewhere between 0.5 to 1 percentage points going forward. I guess that is the main risk factor that could challenge the 64% going forward. But I think we're taking a step from the 62% that we've been on now for 2020, for sure. So somewhere between that 62% to 64%, we think will be feasible going forward. Then talking about the OpEx. Not a lot to say. It's pretty much the same level as Q1 last year. We have an organic increase by SEK 11 million, but then we also have some net R&D effects. And what I mean by that is that we're capitalizing a bit less than we did last year. We had some projects that were finalized by end of 2020. And also, we amortize a little bit more than we did last year. So the net effect of R&D of SEK 10 million is pretty much behind the organic OpEx increase. What I also want to mention regarding OpEx going forward is that we are now on a low level. We don't do a lot of traveling. We don't do any trade shows. We don't have any short-term work anymore. So that's other picture, but it's still on a low level. And we are now ramping up with a lot of growth initiatives, and we expect that maybe Q2 and Q3 will be slightly up in relation to the current levels, and Q4 will be, I guess, more substantially up maybe 10% to 15% up compared to the current level. And well, I guess, in Q3, it's a bit of an effect that we have the vacation impact that is -- that makes that we only have a small increase because we're starting to add more resources now, which, of course, also will put pressure on the EBIT margins. So I don't think we can expect these high margins going forward. Earnings per share, SEK 1.93. I don't have a lot of comments, given that we basically don't have any debt. The net financials are low. We actually even have a positive impact from some reevaluation of internal loans. But otherwise, this looks very promising with a nice growth of 91% on the earnings per share. Let's then also have a look at the cash flow. And also this point, of course, a record level for us with SEK 132 million, despite the fact that we have a working capital impact of minus SEK 19 million, which in itself is not very strange. We're ramping up our receivables a lot given the higher sales growth. Even so, we're keeping the working capital in relation to sales on a decent level, 9.5%. I normally say that we expect to be around 10%, I don't see a difference this time is where we expect to be plus/minus a little bit. Maybe what we were mistaken a bit in Q4, we said that we expected higher inventory since we're taking on some more components. And I guess we expected that, but what we didn't put into the equation is that the demand has been so high. So we are making our safety stocks becoming smaller and smaller, and our finished goods stocks are getting smaller as well. So I think all in all, we pretty much expect to roll forward on the levels around SEK 150 million in inventory. But it's very nice to see that we are able to convert this nice -- with cash flow SEK 132 million, given that we have such a strong growth. So final slide. That is not so interesting anymore. The net debt because we basically don't have anything left I guess that puts a little bit pressure on us on the M&A side. We have a very strong balance sheet now to go after the targets we like. We've been working now with our strength and M&A team to get even better pipeline. So we think we have a better long list, a better short list, and I hope there will be an interesting time ahead on the M&A side for us. And with that, I think we can open up for questions. So I'll leave over to operator.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] We have a question from the line of Ramil Koria from SEB.

[Ramil Koria, Analyst]

Congrats on a great report. A few questions from my side. First off, I think you've touched upon most of my questions, but perhaps to iterate and go a bit -- dig a bit deeper into basically all of them, but starting off on the OpEx side? I mean you've been somewhat restrictive with certain investments in the last, let's say, 18 months, and now you're indicating a slight step up, especially Q4 versus Q1. Could you shed some light as to how much of the OpEx step up comes from, call it, back to the old way of doing business, i.e., prepandemic? And how much is sort of new forward leaning investments and perhaps what the latter group relates to more specifically?

[Joakim Nideborn, Chief Financial Officer]

All right. Let's take that one first. I mean, -- so the first part of your question, how much is step-up from, well, I guess, before the pandemic? That's not a lot. I think that might be a few percentage points of it, maybe, let's say, 1/3 of the step-up we will see, and that is related to going back to more traveling, some trade shows and so on. And then we're having a bunch of growth initiatives. We are going to speed up the investment pace in some of our business units to shorten time to market on newer investments, new developments. We're doing a lot of things in Asia. As we commented on China, for instance, we're going to strengthen the team in Singapore to cover Southeast Asia. I think there will also be selective add-ons on all the other markets, maybe not as broad as we've done before, but we will have selected verticals that we'll go after. We're doing some initiatives now where we're looking at some specific verticals that we think that we can have a stronger position going forward. So some of those selected initiatives will be.

[Ramil Koria, Analyst]

That's very clear. And then the potential impact from more expensive semiconductors? You're indicating 50 to 100 basis points negative impact on the gross margin potentially. Does that entail any component wherein you push out the price increases to your customers? Or do you assume you'll take full charge of the price hikes here?

[Joakim Nideborn, Chief Financial Officer]

I think what we did going into this year, and that's why also you see the nice impact in Q1 as many of the initiatives we did last year. Went live, so to say, first of January. So we've been doing quite aggressive price increases towards our customers. So I think we feel at the moment, it would be a bit difficult to come again and push this out to them as well. I think we'll probably be -- maybe built into the yearly revisions for next year, since we think that this could be here for some time. And I guess, we'll be visible first when going to 2022 in that way.

[Ramil Koria, Analyst]

So very clear. And on the Procentec performance, I mean, stellar performance, as you also indicate. Could you perhaps provide us with some additional flavor as to how much of this is revenue synergies, i.e., upselling on the existing customer base, on the HMS customer base? And how much is sort of new external customers that perhaps were in the pipe going into the execution of the acquisition?

[Staffan Dahlstrom, Co]

Yes. I think it's a good question, Ramil. I think we -- what we see so far is that we are starting a cooperation on some HMS sales areas with Procentec, but that hasn't really materialized yet. But I think all this growth here is something they've done themselves and through negotiations and new contracts with existing customer base. So we can't really take any HMS credit for it. We just were a bit lucky when we bought them. They had a fantastic pipeline that they've been able to materialize.

[Ramil Koria, Analyst]

Yes. Luck is deserved. And finally, on the M&A part, perhaps if you -- I mean, it seems like it's strong. And now with the M&A manager in place, I think a cadence will increase or sort of you will be more forward leaning. Could you shed some flavor as to what the most imminent targets would mean? Which verticals are you adding bolt-on acquisitions to which regions? Is it Southeast Asia, China, et cetera, et cetera?

[Staffan Dahlstrom, Co]

Maybe I can -- I think what we see here is that on 1 hand, we would like to do -- we would like to be more active in both U.S. and Asia. This -- we haven't done acquisitions there before. But we also did we see very high multiples, and we have some deals there where we've walked away due to that. We felt it was insane what they ask for. So I think we have a solid base in Europe. I think we can do more there. But we are -- we would love to do more in Asia and the U.S., but we haven't really found the right target there yet. So I think it will take more time, but we need to expand on these market through M&As, but it's been more difficult than we expected. And maybe this -- we have more also of relationships on the European market. This is our home ground and -- where we have a lot of contact. So we are working on it, but it's -- that's much more work to do before we can present a lot of hot things for -- in Asia and U.S. I think that is the vertical.We are also looking on the structure on some verticals like a little bit of water, wastewater and some of these verticals where we believe there's a nice future business that comes more of quality concerns. And water is also a scarce resource going forward in many countries. We also believe that there are more things to do. And we also have some good markets in Europe, like in Netherlands, who are quite far ahead when it comes to water treatment and this kind of water regulations. So we need to work with it. That's an interesting topic. I think we also look on how we can develop something more related to when we talk about 5G and the mobile machines and these kind of things. So we have quite a broad viewpoint when we look on these companies.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Joachim Gunell from DNB Markets.

[Joachim Gunell, Junior Analyst]

Glad that you are enjoying the spring in Halmstad, Joakim and Staffan. So 2 questions for me. Just in terms of -- I mean, if you can discuss a bit of the growth drivers here going forward in terms of your visibility, which segment, I mean it was very broad-based here in Q1 and obviously, stellar results, but which segments will be the most important here to drive the bulk of the growth for -- going into 2021, and perhaps you can elaborate a bit on what revenue mix effect that could pose to profitability in 2021?

[Joakim Nideborn, Chief Financial Officer]

Okay. Let's start to talk a little bit about the verticals. I think, first of all, it's -- we've been trying to understand is better when we've been talking to our business managers as well. I mean I guess the challenge is that everything is going really well. I think that the main drivers, if we have to say something, is the fact that automotive is back, which is maybe our largest vertical. We think that we are pretty spread across many verticals, but maybe automotive is the largest one with some 15%, 20% of revenues. So the fact that, that is back investing in the electric car plants is being great for Anybus and Ixxat. That's certainly 1 driver. And we also commented, I think, in Q4 the fact that we won some nice customers in wind power in China that is continuing to developing in nicely. I guess those are maybe the most outstanding that we'd like to mention. As you know, we don't also have full transparency in exactly what verticals or components will go into in all the cases since we sell to the OEMs. So if we sell to robot manufacturer, for instance, we don't necessarily know exactly where that business will go to. So that makes it a bit of a difficult question for us to answer. But I think what I have said is probably the best perspective.When it comes to the mix and profitability going forward, we think that the mix as such will not necessarily impact the profitability too much. I think we have about the same margins on all our offerings. What we do see in the short-term is, of course, that we will have high EBIT margins because we even if we had a high activity level now in ramping up our resources, that will take some time. So that's also why I said that we won't see a big difference in Q2, Q3. It will be slightly higher than Q1 in terms of cost. And with a nice backlog, the nice backlog that we have, we will have nice sales levels at least in Q2, and we also expect that Q3 will be decent. So I think that the margins will be -- I will be surprised if we are above our target for 2021, I mean, about 20%. Going forward, I think we are aiming to make the initial investments, meaning that we think in the longer run, 20% is still the realistic target given the growth ambition that we have.

[Joachim Gunell, Junior Analyst]

Very clear, Joakim. And just a follow-up then on -- I mean, the stellar order intake. And if we can just talk a bit about, given that you highlight, I mean, a looming risk here for increased delivery times. Will that in any way affect or impact how you expect orders to translate into sales going into Q2? Or should it follow, call it, normal patterns?

[Joakim Nideborn, Chief Financial Officer]

So I think what we've seen so far when we're looking at our order book, it still keeps the same pattern as it normally presents. There is no big deviation in that sense. But what I -- I guess, my point was that there might be some delays in deliveries, meaning that there might be some disturbances in between the quarters. So the sales should be a bit lower in one quarter and a bit higher in other one. I think we don't really know how that will hit. We're just going to slide the fact that it could be a bit bumpy on how the sales convert. But the way the order book presents itself is pretty much as normal.

[Staffan Dahlstrom, Co]

And Joachim just 1 comment from me. We talked about the EBIT margin for the year here. I just want to note also that keep in mind that on 2025, our ambition is 20% EBIT, but the growth is coming from half organic and half M&A, and we know that the M&As we look at, they should be profitable, but we don't see that all of them have 20% EBIT. So when we do more M&As, that can be a little bit of pressure on the margins as well, just we keep that in mind going forward.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Fredrik Stenkil from Nordea.

[Fredrik Stenkil, Research Analyst]

I think there's been plenty of questions. So I only have 1, integrity one, but on this SEK 60 million to SEK 70 million boost in order intake, that's a bit temporary, you talked in the positive profit warning about partly inventory buildup after having had very lean inventory at the customers, but also safety stocking to protect themselves against component shortage. So I was just wondering, those SEK 60 million to SEK 70 million, is that both of those? Or is it only kind of the safety stocking part, and I understand it's very tough to know which is which?

[Joakim Nideborn, Chief Financial Officer]

Well, yes, I guess, you're right. In fact, it's difficult to know. I think we -- it's a combination of the 2. Exactly what percentage, which we don't really know, to be quite honest. But -- yes, it's certainly a combination of both.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] We have a question from the line of Viktor Högberg from Danske Bank.

[Viktor Högberg, Analyst]

Just 1 question. So in terms of your own safety stocks in terms of own equipment and inventory. How long is that now in terms of months? How much can you cover? Just so we get a feeling for the potential delivery hiccups during the year.

[Joakim Nideborn, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. So I think it varies depending on components, also the lead time varies a lot. So it's difficult to give a straight answer. I think we are eating at it that's for sure. And -- but on the other hand, we also placed orders in Q4 that we will be seeing coming in gradually now going forward. So I think the only thing we can say is that when we do the math, we don't right now see any big hiccups in Q2. But in the same way, the demand is still on a high level. So it's -- they might -- we can't exclude the fact that there might be hiccups going forward. But right now, we are rather comfortable that we managed to deliver as planned.

[Viktor Högberg, Analyst]

Okay. Just a final question on the order intake in Q1. I would assume it was mainly driven in March. So did you convert any of the extraordinary order intake into revenues already in Q1? And just to make sure that I understood your comments earlier correctly on the duration of the order book, were there any orders that are planned for delivery after Q2? Or would this be mainly a Q2 order book?

[Joakim Nideborn, Chief Financial Officer]

I think the -- of course, there are some deliveries being made in Q1 already of the order intake. Maybe I can answer it like this it to make it easier for you. If we say that we stand the 1st of January, looking at our order book, we will have 65% of the sales that we expect to do in January in the backlog, 1st of January. We will have 40% for February, and we will have 20% for March. And all in all, the order book has a value approximately equal to 2 months of sales. So it means that, I mean, outside of 3 months, there are just, I mean, a few million per month, longer than 3 months. So most of it will be delivered in the coming quarter.

[Operator]

There are no further questions registered. So I hand back to the speakers for any closing remarks.

[Staffan Dahlstrom, Co]

All right. Thank you. Thanks for good questions, and thanks for joining us on this call. We are, as you are quite happy with quarter 1, and we also feel that this momentum will continue for quarter 2 as well. Things look very good. And we are just focused now on keep making sure that we can mitigate any supply problems, but also have a look on the future. So we need to do the things we need to come to our 2025 goals. So we are not relaxing and enjoying the nice order book right now. We need to work hard to make sure we reach our 2025 targets, but it's very nice to get a good start here. So with this, I would like to say goodbye, and thanks Joakim as well, a very good presentation here. And thanks for joining, and have a fantastic spring day today. Thank you.