PSP Swiss Property AG

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Earnings Call Transcript 2020-Q1

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the PSP Swiss Property Q1 Results 2020 Conference Call. I'm Maira, the Chorus Call operator. [Operator Instructions] And the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast.At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Mr. Giacomo Balzarini, CEO of PSP Swiss Property. Please go ahead, sir.

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

Thank you, and good morning to everybody to this presentation of our first quarter results of 2020. I will give you a quick rundown on certain slides of the presentation we released this morning. And in this, I would also elaborate on political and economic discussions on the COVID-19 situation. But I will do it rather quickly in order to allow time for questions, which obviously arise in this environment.If you may go down to Slide 4 of the presentation on the current environment, what we can say at the outset is that we went very well positioned into this crisis, which occurred at the end of the first quarter in the sense of a quite stable and rather strong letting market in our areas with -- as you have seen, a record low vacancy rate and with all financings done for the year and more importantly, with an organization, which we see now and how we developed over the last 7, 8 weeks, which works, which is operationally effective. I think we see that it's an advantage, at least from our side, to have all people in the company, that's including also the property managers, and I will come to that point later.On the market, and as we are writing, until the outbreak, clearly, we were in a rather strong letting market in Zurich CBD and Zurich West, and we saw good and healthy demand in Geneva. With regard to the letting market, we came not to a full stop. We came, but, however, to a temporary stop, driven predominantly by also the uncertainty from the tenants, but also, I would say, by other priorities of the tenants and also by the sheer fact that's impossible, at least for a while, it was impossible to show spaces. However, with a vacancy rate of 3.5% or 3.2%, there's also, we have to say, not much to show, and I will come later to this point. But we believe this is a temporary stop. We expect that the demand for good offices at prime locations will reestablish as soon as the lockdown is resolved. And I come later also at this point what the steps are from the federal government to really bring back the economy to up to a level we had beforehand.On the investment market, what we hear from the participants is that the demand for assets with good earnings visibility, with a good location, with a good profile is intact. And we see it ourselves as we are in a process where we are disposing 2 assets that the demand is very healthy. And so this point, I will later elaborate. So I think also the investment market is expected to come back for the good assets in good locations.If we move into really the P&L of the Q1, they will come then to the COVID implication on Slide 8. We see that the rental income, as expected, came up by 2.2% to CHF 74 million, with no impact from the COVID crisis driven predominantly by vacancy reduction and by the letting successes of the development projects, being it also in Lausanne, be it in Basel, but be it also in Zurich. The comparison on the negative development of the operating income of 30% is driven by 2 factors, which occurred last year. The one is that last year, we had a valuation gain on a single property, we ask to be revalued in Rue du Marché and by revaluation gains from the acquisitions in Bern we have undertaken. I will come on the valuation side on what happened this year and this quarter on the valuations. And the second effect we had last year was the property sales gains, which occurred due to the Bernerstrasse and due to Fribourg of CHF 14.9 million, which was not happening this year. So from a pure operating point of view, we have a top line increase, and the rest was driven by factors we had last year.On the cost side, Page 9, you see that operating expenses came down by 6.7%. On the one hand, driven by lower vacancies means that the property operating expenses came in lower due to less lower letting expenses, but also due to further reduction of ancillary expenses, which are typically borne by the landlord. And since years, we are repeating that if you are able to reduce clearly our vacancy rate these are also implications on the property operating expenses. The property maintenance, renovation expenses these are effective cost. They came down by 11%. This is in Franc wise, not a big amount, CHF 400,000, but you will hear later that we expect for the full year, lower maintenance/renovation expenses as we quite at the beginning of the outbreak of the crisis, looked at all of our projects and reviewed which ones are time-critical and which one can we postpone, and so a bit support the P&L for 2020.Quite a stable development on personnel expenses on slightly lower general admin expenses, but this is almost neglectable at lower IT expense. But overall, it translates to lower total operating expense, as mentioned, of 6.7%, and you should see that also across the other 3 quarters of the year.On Slide 10, we can see, again, a further reduction of the net financial expenses of almost CHF 1.2 million or by 23.7%. This is clearly driven by the bond issuance of last year, but also on the bond issuance of beginning of this year. We were very lucky to be able to really issue debt at low or even negative rates, which had an impact on Q1 and which will have an impact on the full 2020. The tax line is an ordinary tax line, average tax rate of 18.5%. Q1 2020 is clean of any effects we had in the previous years from the tax review. So from that point of view, pretty clear tax view. And if you look at then the net income, excluding the valuation gains, a slight reduction of 4.8% or CHF 48.1 million for the quarter.If we move to Slide 14 first and then 15 is clearly that we have delivered a record low vacancy rate with 3.2%. This shows that the efforts and the initiatives we have started to take 2017, '18 really materially had an impact on our vacancy rate and then translated also in the top line. If you look at the single vacancy rates on Page 15, clearly, now with this transparency, we see basically every vacancy contribution, these are contributions of 10 to 30 basis points to the vacancy rate. On all these spaces, we are working on letting activities. The reason why we slightly increased the guidance on the vacancy rate from below 3.5% to around 3.5% is predominantly due to Uraniastrasse 9, where we were close of signing a lease agreement, pre-corona. The discussions have been stopped. And there is a certain uncertainty. If we are able to sign this lease by year-end or not, clearly, we will aim to lease it. But in case not, this is, I would say, one of the swing factors of our guidance. However, Uraniastrasse is a very central location, and we are positive that we are able to really be able to let this space in due course. As also in San François, we have a lease agreement outstanding and expect feedback on these discussions. So also on the Grosspeter Tower. So on all these elements, clearly, in today's environment, a bit more difficult to discuss. It's a bit -- it takes more time, potential tenants take time to review their expansion plans but we have to admit we are working on a very low base now with 3.2%, 3.5% vacancies.On Slide 16, you see the expiry profile. And if you look at it and comparing our full year presentation in February, already there, we said that 85% of the maturities are solved and relet. With -- this figure has not changed over the last quarter. It's predominantly because this 15% of expires renew that they're moving out, and it's difficult now and it was difficult really to have this reletting discussions, but we have quite a good visibility on the 15%, plus then also on the 2021, which we have to say that the largest ones we have already relet and that the other ones, we don't have really a big single expiry, where we would have seen this as a dominant effect. Please keep in mind that with the leasing profile or rental contracts of 5-year plus, 2 5-year options, we always have 15% to 20% of maturities a year. So this is pretty a standard picture for us.If we move to Slide 17 on the changes in fair value. I would like to start first to outline, again on how we proceed with value in our portfolio. By the regulation of the Swiss Stock Exchange, we have to value our portfolio twice the year fully by an external value in our case Wüest Partner. It's started in the full year, and it started in the half year. In the first and in the third quarter, we run an analysis ourselves. Based on the single assets with regard to new lettings, with regard to vacancy development, with regard to market rent assumptions and also, with regard to investments in the property, besides what is clearly an evident, besides single transactions. If in this internal analysis, we come to the conclusion that on a single property point of view, we have a deviation or a potential deviation of a value of CHF 5 million on the assets, plus or minus, we have to go back to the valuer and ask him for a revaluation. So happened last year, Q1 2019, Rue du Marché where we signed a lease agreement, on the retail side, which we thought this could have an impact on the valuation, and it triggered a revaluation gain on Rue du Marché. Going through this process, we have identified no case where we think on a single asset basis, we have to revalue this asset.Anyhow, in considering the market, we asked the valuer explicitly to do a forward -- roll forward valuation of our portfolio in order to have also the valuer's view, which should then somehow foster or be contrary of our assumptions. The valuer looked at portfolio of PSP based on starting point 31st of December, looked at all the agreements which have been closed so far, looked at the 11 regions split by office, retail, looked at the vacancy rates, looked at the single largest assets and took some assumptions on structural vacancy on potential market rent adjustments on structural vacancies and also on yields based on the market evidence they have now, and they came to the conclusion that there is no material evidence for a substantial increase or decrease of the valuation. So said, based on what they know today, based on what we close in our portfolio and based on what they see in the market, they may come to the conclusion as per June 30, 2020, the valuation should be plus/minus 0.Clearly, they added a disclaimer that this statement is based on an increased uncertainty given the overall COVID crisis. So with this in mind of running our process as we do it every first and third quarter and the assessment of the valuer, we came to the conclusion that we have not to value the portfolio in the quarter, and we will revalue the portfolio in the ordinary course of business mid-year of this year. The slight revaluation loss of a bit more than CHF 200,000 is due to the fact that we acquired a building with a piece of land in Zurich, the valuer valued it at market at what we paid for it but we have to activate our costs. So this is basically activated on services. We charge the building. But the value was even valued by the valuation company, CHF 100,000 higher than what we bought it for.This leads me now to the capital structure on Slide 20. As mentioned, we were able to do 2 bond issuance beginning of 2020 in the amount of CHF 250 million. And we were even more, I would say, lucky to renew a loan facility which was maturing in October of this year in advance. We did a forward loan maturity renewal for 10 years starting in February at an all-in cost of 23 basis points. What we did also at the same time, we reduced a bit our committed lines, we had committed lines of more than CHF 1 billion and reduced the committed lines by this CHF 350 million. And in this sense saved on average, about 15 to 20 bps of commitment fees. So our net expense for this new loan is roughly 3 to 5 basis points. And with that, we have no loan bond matures in 2020. We have a little bond maturity early '21 and one end of '21. And we are today, we are having a CHF 770 million unused credit lines and therefore, CHF 620 million committed lines, which gives us plenty of headroom to do our developments and to clearly renew also our '21 and then potentially our '22 maturities, which leads me to Slide 21.I would say, a basically unchanged picture of our capital structure with a loan-to-value of 32.8% of an increased duration to 5.9 years, which is rather high for PSP. This clearly driven by the significant amount of bond issues we have done last year and the beginning of this year and a passing cost of debt, which is below 60 bps. There, keep in mind that we did a negative bond in the first quarter. So this will clearly help this year to have the financial expense even lower if we then have to renew this negative bond, we will have a compensating element, but we see average passing cost of debt to be around 60 bps by the end of the year.This would lead me to a really, a snapshot on the development pipelines. And here, I will only go into what has changed basically since we spoke end of February. Page 24, Parco Lago, we have a delay of roughly 3 months. We had lockdowns and partial lockdowns in the region. A big challenge by our operating people in-house and on the ground and a big thank you to all involved parties. I think everybody does his best. This is a very nice project. It will just suffer a bit of delay in the delivery of the apartments. Clearly, also difficult to sell new apartments in a phase where you have lockdowns, but we are convinced about the project. And we are positive that as soon as we can really start, again, with the developments and the -- showing the flats that we will keep pick up with the sales. I will come later to this. We compensate the delay of this project and delayed earnings from this project with another disposal but I come later to this point. The second project, which was hit by the lockdown is the Rue du Marché development or redevelopment in Geneva on Slide 25.Here, we expect the opening in August, contrary to what we thought originally to be a June opening. We have very constructive discussions with the operating company and with our developer. So we're all working in strength on this new deadline without any penalties incurring. So here, clearly, everybody works together on this new time line, and this is positive, look forward to this opening. Here clearly, we will have a delay of opening, and this will also clearly have an impact on the top line, as I mentioned at the beginning. The project in Zurich, so far, ATMOS are working according to plan, with clearly the securities and sanity and health measures, which led to selective delays. But as we are very well in our time line, this has no impact on our original time line and also the discussions with the tenants which signed. This is 100% now pre-let are positive, and we expect the completion to occur, as we mentioned beginning of '21. So also for the development in the Bahnhofplatz, Slide 27 and 28. Everything is running according to plan. And we have here no major impact, which would have an impact on the 2020 results.Slide 29. It's the acquisition in Bern, Bärenplatz next to the parliament. You see in the back, the Swiss parliament building and in front, the buildings we acquired. You will see that we have pre-let now 30% of the building to a gastronomy operator, and we are in advanced discussions to pre-let the office and also service apartments. And we have slightly higher costs in this repositioning as we -- clearly, when we did the underwriting, we were aware this is a historically protected building. Once you touch it and you start seeing really what is behind the walls, behind the floors, we might have slightly higher costs. On the other hand, Bärenplatz also today, I think, what a beautiful location this is and how attractive this is for potential tenants. So on this overall context and situations. We are not worried for the slight increase on the costs, but we disclosed it pretty transparently.Slide 30, the Baufeld C. We have submitted the construction permit. Due to COVID-19, there's a slight delay in the approval process. We expect that we can start mid-2020. We have pre-let 50% to Swisscom. I think here, this will be a nice addition to our area around the main station of Basel, there's nothing additional to add. That would lead me to our latest acquisition, Slide 31. It is a piece of land with a former building from biopharmaceutical, which we are tearing down, doing new development. It's a 50% office and 50% slight light industrial area, where we additionally will invest roughly CHF 35 million. We are already in discussions with potential tenants from a variety of sectors, and we expect a gross yield of roughly 4.1%, 4.2% based on what we see today. And this leads me to the end of this development overview on Slide 32, where you see, as in the past, all the projects, the committed CapEx from those projects and the committed CapEx from the investment portfolio and also pre-let status, which demonstrate a very high visibility on the future rental income, with, I would say, a rather limited additional committed CapEx to come.With this, I would end the Q1, and I would ask you kindly to go quickly to Slide 37, where I -- before we go then into the Q&A, would give you our view on COVID-19 implications. First of all, we have seen a partial lockdown starting beginning of March by the Federal Council, which affected the nonfood retailers, restaurants, leisure facilities and schools. We have as per today and since the 27th of April, certain retailers open and the remaining retail stores, the restaurants, the schools, the travel office and port facilities will open next Monday. So there will be a strong release of those activities starting next Monday, and then the last wave expected to be open on June 8 are the zoos, the theaters, the cinemas. But the ones which are relevant for us, opened on the 27th of April and will open next Monday.Clearly, this is all subject of a judgment by the Federal Council. We have to say the measures they have taken to support the economy and the speed of those measures, in our view, were extraordinary. They supported the small midsized companies clearly with liquidity injections, being it by helping them on the payments of their various bills, but also by providing them credits on a 5 to 8 years maturity at 0 cost, which was what we hear very well and strongly absorbed in the market. So from that end, I would say strong interventions by the government.There is a current discussion on the way, and there is a political, we say, various political initiatives, not to say, activism to try to get in between the discussions, tenants have with landlords. As you know, as a property company, it's our daily business to have the interactions with our landlords. And there's the obvious question is the rent due to be paid if a tenant cannot access the surface, we have done various reviews. We have a legal opinion from a very strong law firm, and we are convinced that the rent is due. However, we are in strong interactions with the tenants, and we are of the opinion and convinced that the landlord should deal it bilaterally with the tenants itself as we have a history with those tenants, and we expect those to have a future with those tenants.Nevertheless, there is a proposal in the parliament that tenants, which pay less than CHF 5,000, a month, so that means CHF 5,000 per month should get a complete reduction of this rent for 2 months. This discussion has been taken yesterday in an extraordinary session in the Council of State, where it has been approved by 24 to 19 votes. It will be discussed today in the National Council. If the National Council is in this agreement, it will go back to the Counsel State. If the National Council supports this, then it will go to the Federal Council, whereby the Federal Council said now twice that they don't want that the politics interfere with a certain -- or interfere in the discussion between the landlords and the tenants. What does it mean for PSP? Clearly, in reviewing our guidances for the year, we took a variety of scenarios into account. So we look at and observe what the politicians do, and we hope that they come to a reasonable assessment to let the economic players act with their daily activities. Clearly, we are in discussions with our tenants, and you see it on Slide 38.We have, in our view, a rather limited exposure to these lockdown affected areas. We have received roughly 300 requests for rent holidays reductions. We have, in April, provided rent holidays in the amount of CHF 3.5 million to 170 tenants. And we are -- from those, we have intensive discussions of basically verbal agreements in the amount of 10%, and we start those discussions mid-end of last week. Now why did we start only mid-end of last week, it's pretty simple because as long as you don't know when the store, the shop, the activities reopens, you don't have a visibility on what you're talking about.So we have instructed our property managers, asset managers, and this was excellently done by our Chief Investment Officer, Reto Grunder, which took of advantage of this 6-week period to do really a profound assessment of it to start the discussions. They are discussing with all the tenants on the lease agreements, and we are convinced that we found time -- the majority of the cases and agreement. But clearly, this is our daily business. We have cases where we have a history and that's the reason also why we need and we have to look also at having the appropriate legal support.With regard to the rent collection. On the April end, the overall rent collection was slightly above 70%. For the affected tenants, rent collection was around 25%. But clearly, the measures put in place by the Federal Council to allow the tenant or to put in the fact that the landlord cannot terminate a contract now within 30 days but needs 90 days basically allowed also them not to pay the rents because we clearly cannot enforce rent collation. We are clearly monitoring. We are asking on a written basis for these rent payments. We are giving notice but the legal notice cannot be given in advance in 90 days. So that means also there is quite a strong incentive by the affected tenants to not pay the rent. So we're not so surprised by the rather low rent collection of the affected tenants.In a summary, clearly, our aim is to collect the rent. But also to have constructive and prospective discussions with our tenants because clearly, we are aware that we have also future with them, which leads me to my final slide, 39. Again, what are -- in our view the implications for the P&L 2020. From the construction side, as mentioned, it's Parco Lago in Paradiso with the percentage of completion recognized gains plus the loss of rental income due to the delay in Rue du Marché. That's the P&L.The remaining projects work according to plan. The second is whatever is then the bottom line impact from the discussion negotiations with our tenants. We have also luckily around a moderate turnover component in the overall portfolio of roughly 1%. Here in our projections, we assumed a significant reduction of it. We tried to compensate these negative effects by reviewing all the projects and renovations within the portfolio also to reduce traffic in the building, but also which are really not timely critical.And so we're able, in our view, and are able to optimize the cost base. And what we did is to compensate for the delay of Residenza Parco Lago, we anticipate a project sale in Zurlindenstrasse, in Zurich. That's similar to the project we saw at last year in Uster. You know that our portfolio is based on highest best use. We identified buildings we think can be converted in residential. We also in Zurlinden since about 18 months are working on the project on how this could be converted and then always take the decision is this something we should do or we can sell as a project, considering the current positive market environment for residential, we decide to dispose it. We are currently in the discussions, and we here see that there is quite a strong appetite for it. So this will be a compensating element for the Parco Lago, which will then come as expected, '21 and '22.On the capital structure summary, I think we are well capitalized, enough committed credit lines. Nothing to be refinanced this year, so we can really focus on 2 points: on the tenant discussions, on our development projects and even more important, so on the health of our employees and the relationship with our partners, which at the end is for us, the most important.Outlook, 41, in summary, we reduced a bit our EBITDA guidance from above CHF 260 million to around CHF 260 million. This takes account of the various effects I already mentioned and a slight expectation of a higher vacancy rate instead of below 3.9% to around 3.5%, but we are still convinced that these are a solid outlook from what we know today. So clearly, these are guidances based on our today's knowledge, our best efforts. If anything material would change in our view, we clearly would announce it.That would end my presentation on Q1 and my outlies on the COVID-19, and I'm happy to take questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Pascal Furger from Vontobel.

[Pascal Furger, Former Analyst]

So a couple of questions on the impact on your P&L from coronavirus. So the first one is on the proposal in the parliament that the tenants basically paying less than CHF 5,000 a month should get this complete reduction for 2 months of rental income. And how much would that be at PSP? That will be my first question.

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

I think if you run through the portfolio, I think you come to a conclusion. It's not a significant amount. It's part of our guidances, it's a significant contribution to something we should be able to discuss with our tenants per se. But it's part of our guidance. We have embedded certain of those elements. But I hope you understand that we are not able to make specific numbers, which I think are not appropriate here. But it's you can imagine you know a bit our tenant base. You saw how many tenant requests we have received and you know that we have predominantly larger tenants.

[Pascal Furger, Former Analyst]

In terms of your guidance, can you just share with us a bit your assumptions you took in terms of rental income?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

I cannot give you the assumptions on the single sectors. I would say, we expect a similar top line as 2019 and not the increase we expected for '20 as we outlined the original guidance. So top line should be around from what we know today, '19. And this is various elements. It has a reduction of the turnover component. It has a delay of Rue du Marché. It has a delay of clearly, for instance, Steinentorberg Strasse in a minor event, and then it has the discussions and potential interventions. I think here, it's something which is also going too much into detail to really then your comment on it.

[Pascal Furger, Former Analyst]

Okay. And just maybe a bit of a numerical question. So based on your slide or on Page, I think, 38. So I derived like CHF 25 million rental income in April and thereof, you collected CHF 80 million, which leaves basically CHF 7 million open. But then you stated that 21% of your tenants already affected by coronavirus, which indicates CHF 5 million rental income, whereas you collected CHF 1.5 million, leaving CHF 4 million open. So I was just wondering where this additional CHF 3 million were coming from? I mean which other segments were impacted or in which other segments do you see basically additional risk?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

I wouldn't say additional risks. But in this environment, you have then always some tenants which are supposed to pay a rent and then perhaps say, well, in this environment, I don't pay the rent. And then we have our usual discussions on rent arrears. There's no specific one which I would say, I would highlight on the overall portfolio. But the whole discussion on rent collection, rent arrears is something we have every month. And in this situation, it's needless to say that sometimes you have also an office tenant, which says, well, I try and I don't pay the rent, and then we see on where we get. But I would say there's nothing which I would say has to be highlighted with a worry for us.

[Operator]

The next question is from Ken Kagerer from ZKB.

[Ken Kagerer, Research Analyst]

Yes. I have a question on the expiry profile on Slide 16. Next year, as you mentioned, there are some expiries. And you also said that currently, it's difficult to relet office space. What is your expectation with all the current knowledge for the vacancy rate next year? Or did some of the tenants come back to you already, that they would not renew any contract next year or the year after? That's the first one.

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

Well, I think we give typically a vacancy rate guidance in the year where we have to report it. I think what we see today is we don't have indications now that tenants are really already saying, I'm not renewing for next year. The discussions are starting. As I mentioned beforehand, is a rather tenants which pay rents of CHF 1 million to CHF 2 million a year. So on average, a bit smaller ones. It's not a big chunk on a single building. So we are not so worried about our vacancy outlook. But this is something really which is at the heart of our business for the next 6, 9 months, for sure. And I'm pretty sure I can say more about it, I would say, during Q3, with regard to 2021.

[Ken Kagerer, Research Analyst]

Okay. The other one is more on the credit lines. I mean, firstly, you mentioned the committed credit lines. Could you give us a bit of an update here on the pricing? And then what you see generally in terms of credit pricing in the market out there?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

Well, I think on the pricing, nothing has changed on the credit lines. We have committed credit lines. That means that for us, when we draw the credit line, we pay the same spreads as before, COVID. We have put in place noncommitted credit lines at conditions, which is below our committed lines. So we have a bit of room to maneuver.What we observed, obviously, if you would have had to go to the capital market that spreads went up. So if historically, we paid spreads of 40 bps or 50 bps that is difficult first to get indications, but that one would suggest that the spreads are almost doubled or went to 80, 90 bps. Now we didn't have to tap the market. And we will do so once we think those spreads are back on a reasonable level. But -- so from that end, for us, no impact on spread levels for our portfolio.

[Ken Kagerer, Research Analyst]

Okay. And maybe a third and last one. Parco Lago, as you've mentioned it. It has not been the easiest project to sell now with the current situation and the general market conditions in Ticino, it's going to be even probably hard. Is there any plan B? Or what do you expect? Could you even imagine to lower the pricing or how long do you think it will take that this project will be finally sold?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

We have seen pretty well during Q4 and beginning of the year that as soon as we had a showroom, a show flat, that the interest was very high. We wouldn't overvalue now this transition phase, which came into COVID, which put clearly Ticino in an extreme situation, and I think we are in a position, and we should, as an investor, be in a position also to say and be patient on it.I think for us, most important is that we can go back to work that all the employees on the ground are protected. And if -- and once we have then finished those apartments, we are pretty convinced that we will be able to sell. What the additional measures are we would have to take, I think this is something we will judge when we get there. But for the moment, we are still pretty positive on the product, quality wise, and also pricing-wise, we think we are not so far away from reality as we have sold them also in Q4.

[Operator]

The next question is from Pascal Boll from MainFirst.

[Pascal Boll, Analyst]

Yes. I have just a quick question concerning your tenants in the retail space. Do you see there any chances that some of them will not survive the current crisis or yes, such issues? And further do you have already signed -- found agreements with larger tenants like Hermès, who probably approached you for lower rents in this period?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

Well I hope that you understand that I'm not providing any details on single tenants. What I can say is based on our tenants profiles, I don't have, at the moment, indications of any default risks. Clearly, we have also here and there smaller tenants which might, since years have had issues. But I would say this is -- in volume-wise, not company-wise, volume-wise, neglectable. So for the moment, we have no indications of an increased default risk. We are in discussions, as I mentioned, with tenants, and we are not disclosing single agreements.As I mentioned, about 10% of the discussions we had so far. We have a verbal agreement, and we are now in exchange of lease agreements. Perhaps just bear in mind that these are still quite complex discussions because you have a lease agreement. You discussed about rent. You have to do a maintenance to your lease agreement you might have options in this lease agreements. And then when you find an agreement, you have also to exchange those lease agreements, and then typically, both sides get lawyers to look at those lease agreements. So this takes also a bit time. But I think we are working full speed on it. And as I mentioned, we have very positive and constructive discussions in the majority of the cases.

[Operator]

The next question is from Andreas von Arx from Baader-Helvea.

[Andreas von Arx, Analyst]

I have 3. First one, again, thank you for the update on the COVID-19 effects and the implications for valuations at the half year. My impression is that this update and your updated guidance basically covers the lockdown period. I mean, with given your experience do you think there could be then additional effects from an economic slowdown/recession coming later on? Or do you think this is reflected in the guidance? Or how big is the risk that we're now going to see, again, a guidance reduction later this year? That's the first question.Second question is on the retail segment. I mean, some people think that with the lockdown behaviors are changing structurally. Is that something that you would share that the retail segment now is in a completely different stage as compared to before COVID? Thank you for your views here.And then my last question is with regards to the office market in Zurich North, respectively, around the Geneva airport. Do you see here any additional risks given what's going on with companies related to the airline industry coming to the -- also to the office market, let's say, around Zurich North or around the Geneva airport?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

Thank you. On the first question on the guidance, it's clearly the guidance which we give based on our knowledge of today. But it's a 2020 guidance which we believe if there is not a material intervention or change that we should be able to deliver it. Clearly, it's a guidance which should also demonstrate with our strength to be able to react. In case anything will happen, we would adjust then in the course of the quarter or in the half year or in the third quarter. But for the time being, it's clearly the view we have. Clearly, also the view from the valuer space and what he knows today. And one has clearly to observe what the midterm economic implications are. When everybody goes back to business on how transactions happen on the market and how really turnovers develops in the various segments.What we always said, if this lockdown is rather short, and we talk about these 2, 3 months, I think there is a pretty good base to believe that we go back to normal because people want to go back to work. They want to go back to consume, spend to the restaurants and I think this is something which we think will then bring back to normal state, especially, in our view, for central locations. And for central locations for perhaps, rather smaller buildings. So to your question, guidance is 2020, clearly, it is based on what we know today. But it is, in our view, a quite -- has quite a good visibility.On the retail segment, clearly, this lockdown triggered the belief that e-commerce has is stands and will continue to expand. On the other hand, the retail we have on central location is also a lot of event-driven. It's a lot of entertainment driven, is product driven. And what we hear from our tenants in that areas that they believe in those locations. So one has really to see on which retail segment one talks about, but it will have an implication on retail demand and how it operates. As it also will have probably a bit on office, I think that everybody realized working from home is possible now. The ones we talk also within the company, everybody would like to go back to the office, because it's okay to work from home, but not everybody has a single office at home and he's really acquired in everything. So -- but clearly, this ability to work from home will have an impact on office, on the other hand, it will also have an impact on how you structure the landlord, your office and on your per square meter availabilities for employees with regard to generic measures, sanity measures that you will probably start thinking of providing a bit more space to employees. And this might be a compensating factor.And this leads me to your third point, the office area in Zurich North and the airport of Geneva, which we luckily are not exposed. In Zurich North, we have a few assets in Wallisellen. But clearly, those will suffer even more. There is, in Geneva, especially, more supply coming into the market. And one thing we are a bit debating internally, is really also the impact on larger buildings, on larger floor place and are really employees willing to work on larger floor place and can landlord really force people to work in a closed environment with such a high frequency. So this will have, in our view, an implication. And clearly, the one linked to these sectors will be even more affected in the short term. Having said that, we are luckily less so exposed there and did not invest in the past years in those areas.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Rolf Frey from Maerki Baumann.

[Rolf Frey, Head of Indirect Real Estate Investments]

I was just thinking about valuation. I mean you gave us what could happen in corona. And maybe there will be some follow-ups, and we are in a recession. And the next valuation, do you think there will be on the downside? Or is it too early? And we'll see a downside just at the end of the year. What is your -- and there are implications anyway, so what is your feeling about that? I know that you don't make the valuation, but what is your feeling? Or do you have as much reserves to the market that it won't have an impact?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

I think I made it pretty clear that we asked this department to do a roll forward valuation of our portfolio as per June 30. Based on what they see, based on what they know and based on what they expect from the today's world, and they come to the conclusion with all the caveats of uncertainty that the valuation is pretty much in line with what we had. And I also mentioned what kind of assumptions they took. I think I cannot add more to it. And I cannot give a forward guidance on valuations on year-end because the valuations are based on closed rental agreements and on transactional evidence. And I would leave it here to the valuer, which clearly said there's an increased uncertainty in this COVID environment, but also stated to us, there are compensating factors, which will lead to this outcome. And this is, as I mentioned, roll forward as per June 30.

[Operator]

The next question is from Andres Toome from Green Street Advisors.

[Andres Toome, Research Associate]

My question is regarding the rent deferrals. I was just curious whether you can add some color in terms of what's the proportion of office tenants that have asked for rent deferrals or fall into the bucket where you haven't collected rents?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

Yes. It is value-wise a smaller amount of office requests, I would say, which in the overall contacts are not really relevant. But I think in so extreme situations and depending on certain regions, you get requests from all over. I think these are operating companies and tenants, and they try to optimize on their end, and then they come with their requests. I think this is -- we disclosed it, we say it, but it's amount-wise, not in our view, significant. Plus, it has no base for arguments.

[Andres Toome, Research Associate]

Fair enough. And then I was just wondering if you already have some indication about May collections, for the month of May? Or is it too early to say anything about that?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

No, it's too early. I think we typically run the collection starting May 10. And then when you run it, you get the collection cut off somewhere May 6, 7. And yes, I think here, we will have to wait, I would say, for another 10 days to get a first indication. I think from our end, as I mentioned beforehand, on the rent collection for the lockdown tenants.We are, I think, not with regard to the liquidity. So for us, it's not a liquidity event if they don't pay. And they got all the incentives from the federal government not to pay. So from that end, independently, if they pay or not, we will have to have our discussions tenant by tenant on the case. And then if you had opinion that 100% is -- owns to us, we will try to enforce the collection.And if you come to the conclusion that we find another agreement, we will find another agreement. But for a rent collection point of view, liquidity-wise is something which is important for us, but it's not so relevant. It's more really the case-by-case assessment of the situation.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Nicolas Di Maggio from Swiss Finance & Property.

[Nicolas Di Maggio;Swiss Finance & Property;Head of Asset Management]

And perhaps one question regarding the transaction market. Do you see perhaps any more opportunity to invest in some assets in the coming months? Or the transaction markets stay quite stable, and it's still really difficult for you to find opportunities?

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

Well, thank you, Nicolas. It's -- clearly, it's something we look at. We don't see distressed sellers at the moment, especially not in the areas where we have our focus. By the way, we don't want to move away from our CBD focus on these 5 areas. We have to see a bit on what happens on the asset allocation side of the institutional investors, if someone want to -- a bit reallocate their portfolios and this might trigger a disposal. In one case, we are discussing with one, on an asset-swapped basis, which we might find good grounds to swap 2 assets. But clearly, also here in evaluating potential opportunities, we will be very careful and look at what potential future scenarios could come in place. I think there's no hurry from us to now jump on opportunities. What we see is that from the usual big institutional investors, the demand for cash flow visibility for earnings is still very high.

[Operator]

There no more questions at this time.

[Giacomo Balzarini, CEO, CFO & Member of the Executive Board]

Well, thank you to everybody from our side on your interest. And as always, if you have any follow-up questions, don't hesitate to shoot us an e-mail or call us. And we wish you all best of health and best of luck in the next coming months. Thank you.

[Operator]

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