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Summary
Q3-2023

CoolCo Delivers Solid Growth Amid Market Adjustments

In the third quarter, CoolCo maintained strong financial metrics though they saw fewer vessels used for storage and limited East-West arbitrage due to high gas prices and late winter. Net income reached $39.2 million, EBITDA increased to $62.8 million, and a dividend payout of $0.41 per share was confirmed. They preserved a $1.5 billion backlog with an average of approximately 4.8 years per vessel. With TFDE rates settling above historic norms despite falling off peak levels, the company's TCE rate sequentially increased to $82,400 per day. Market trends look positive for 2023, with an 8% growth in Chinese LNG demand and logistical constraints due to Panama Canal limitations. Moreover, financing for newbuild vessels with competitive interest rates below 6% was secured, enhancing future capacity. However, a net quarterly cash use of $157 million was noted, largely due to newbuild payments and upgrades.

Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2023-Q3

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Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the CoolCo Q3 2023 Business Update Call. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded on Tuesday, November 28, 2023.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Richard Tyrrell. Please go ahead, sir.

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

Good afternoon to those in Europe or the East, and good morning to those in the West, and thank you, Laura. Welcome to CoolCo's third quarter results presentation, where I'll take you through the highlights and comment on how we see the current market before handing over to John, who will go through the numbers in more detail. Please take note of the forward-looking statements on Page 2 before turning to Page 3, which provides a snapshot of the quarter, and we'll get into what's behind these numbers as we move through the presentation. Please note that the net income of $39.2 million for the quarter includes a mark-to-market gain on our interest rate swaps. It equates to an adjusted EPS of $0.52. And on this basis, I'm pleased to confirm another $0.41 per share dividend for the quarter and an outlook that continues to be positive even though winter has come late, and we're not expecting to see the exceptional conditions of last year.

Both CoolCo's backlog of almost $1.5 billion and the upside from chartering vessels on low legacy rates are in focus. As I mentioned, while winter was late and coming, the price of gas has held firm in the third quarter of this year because of strikes and geopolitical events. This reduced the opportunity for contango trades going into the winter, and we've seen our ships being used less for storage than this time last year. High gas prices also reduced the opportunity for East-West arbitrage and the number of long-haul cargoes.

While these factors will likely stop the market reaching last year's peak, the value of cargoes holding up the $50 million mark is positive for shipping and Panama Canal limitations are starting to soak up capacity. Such logistical challenges create tailwinds for shipping with longer voyage times and the need for more vessels. The liquidity of the charter market has been on the low side in the run-up to the winter, but that is now starting to change.

While the reported rates have been strong, spot vessels have needed to be modern and well positioned to secure employment. CoolCo's success at attractive employment for the 1 vessel it currently has in the spot market often at the expense of older steam turbine vessels that are increasingly struggling for employment once-off contract. CoolCo doesn't own any steam vessels and we see their departure from the market is helping to balance the shipping demand and supply going forward. Now if you may turn to Page 4. In the third quarter, we benefited from strong operational performance, a seasonal uplift on our variable rate contract and the fleet's fixed rate, medium- and long-term charter coverage. Additionally, we took measured exposure to the charter market in the form of 1 vessel that we chose to deploy directly in the spot market while waiting for the right term opportunity. The net result was a sequentially higher time charter equivalent level of $82,400 per day for the quarter, which compares with $81,100 per day in the second quarter. EBITDA also increased to $62.8 million from $59.9 million in the second quarter. The average term on our backlog of almost $1.5 million is around 4 years, with our longest charter extending out to 2033. Page #5 is titled TFDE rates are leveling off at profitable levels, if below those reached at the height of the Ukraine conflict's impact on LNG markets. We're not currently reaching the level C in the months following the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, rates in the early fourth quarter have settled at levels above historic norms for both the industry and for the CoolCo fleet. The Kool Husky, our vessel that is trading in the spot market and the cool blizzard, our variable rate vessels are set to benefit from seasonal rates in the fourth quarter, while we actively seek long-term employment for these vessels.

As you see from the 12-month TFDE rates in the right-hand chart, the Husky won't make the $140,000 a day it made previously. But with the market leveling out, it should achieve a reasonable rate by historic standards. If the Husky achieves today's reported rates, the lower level will be mostly offset by higher rates on Kelvin, a vessel that was forward fixed earlier this year. Such upside on legacy contracts provide scope to maintain TCE performance as they renew. It is important to keep in mind that current levels while off their peaks are highly profitable versus our cash breakeven of just over $60,000 per day.

Page #6 shows the trends that we see influencing LNG shipping in 2024. We're closely watching these factors in particular, and we believe that they will have a strong bearing on the demand for shipping and that bearing will be positive. Firstly, price elasticity of demand especially with respect to new LNG supply should see more LNG heading to the more distant East. While Japan and Korea are large mature markets, where the use of nuclear has the biggest impact on demand, China is a real growth market where there's a high potential for coal to gas substitution. Chinese demand is set to increase by 8% in 2023 after falling last year and the scope for the higher levels of growth seen historically. India has the capacity to take large volumes of LNG and the same can be said of other markets such as those elsewhere on the subcontinent and in Southeast Asia, that now have LNG infrastructure and the ability to take more volumes.

Europe is set to take slightly more LNG in 2023 than 2022. But the increase is relatively small when you consider the additional [indiscernible] capacity that has been installed.

The second point that I'd highlight is that the Panama Canal has severe water shortages that's starting to make it a real bottleneck and cargoes are being sent around the Cape of Good Hope as a result. And you can see what that means in terms of number of charter days in the diagram. The limits on the transit through the canal are expected to remain in place until the start of the rainy season in May at the earliest and the El Nino effect could interfere with that timing still further.

Voyages from the U.S. to the Northern China around the Cape of Good Hope, take around 41 days compared to 28 days via Panama. That requires an additional ship per million tonnes of LNG from the U.S. to Asia, and that's a route that already requires an additional ship compared to deliveries to Europe. And if you remember back to what I started off this section with more volumes are going to be heading in that direction, which require additional shipping. The last factor that we're looking at is Russian LNG, and it's expected to have an impact in 2024 because of the new volumes from Arctic LNG 2. These volumes are likely to mirror shipments of oil, which, if so, would be positive for shipping because of the distances involved. CoolCo isn't carrying Russian volumes, but they soak up ships from the market nonetheless.

Now let me turn to steam turbine vessels on Page 7. This shows how many vessels will deliver over the next few years, and it shows how steam turbines are expected to help balance the market, having provided extra capacity during Ukraine war and bridged the arrival of new builds. The growth in LNG supply and shipping distances are expected to partly absorb new vessel deliveries. Our steam turbine vessels are set to balance the market as they struggle for employment on both commercial and regulatory grounds after reaching the end of their charters. An added catalyst for the steam turbines leaving the market is expensive dry docks at 25 -- at 20 and 25 years of age. These can cost up to $10 million and little, if any of that can be funded with debt on a vessel of such age.

While I've concentrated on the existing fleet so far, Slide 8 turns its attention to new builds. It's been a quiet quarter for new build fixtures, but I'm pleased to say that the last 2 new builds in the market from independent owners that deliver ahead of CoolCo 2024 deliveries have now secured long-term employment. This positions our newbuilds as both the next in line and some of the only uncommitted newbuilds currently available before 2026. We were beaten on price at $95,000 a day for 15 years at the start of the quarter and more recently by a vessel that delivered earlier than ours and had better timing for the requirement. That particular requirement was a 5-year charter set to have been secured at just over $100,000 per day. And these prices are where we see the market today, and it's what we expect to achieve on our vessels.

What is setting these prices? Well, at today's average newbuild price of over $260 million and assuming financing costs in the 7% plus range, and a skinny 10% cost of equity, skinny for us at least, the industry needs rates approaching $100,000 per day. CoolCo paid less for its new builds and financed them a competitive rate below 6%. These resulted in a $69,000 per day cash breakeven that provides ample scope to fix them at attractive returns. We continue to face competition from sublets on these vessels in that they allow charterers to relax and put off making longer-term commitments but remain confident that they will be fixed well in advance of their deliveries at the end of the third quarter and fourth quarter 2024, respectively. I'm now going to hand over to Johannes on Page 9. Johannes, please take it from here.

J
Johannes Boots
executive

Thank you, Richard. Good morning and good afternoon. Today, I will present an overview of our third quarter financial performance followed by some insights into our expectations for the fourth quarter. So turning to Slide 9. This slide highlights our contracted backlog through the end of '24, which corresponds to 20% -- 22% of available days as being open days, increasing to 34% by the end of '25. While this open day percentage will obviously increase over time, the time charter equivalent rate from our backlog is approximately $77,000 per day. And on average, we maintained roughly 4.8 years of backlog per vessel. This includes all our options exercised to the maximum extent, but excludes our new builds. I would also note that some vessels that will be coming open in the coming years are typically those currently on rates agreed before the invasion of Ukraine. And as such, would represent opportunities for us to reprice at improved rates. Of particular significance on the chart to the right is that the cash flow generated by our backlog calculated as contractual revenue backlog minus direct operating expenses surpasses our net debt. This underscores a robust level of coverage.

Turning to Slide 10, where I will recap our third quarter income statement results. In our press release earlier today, we reported another robust quarter with time and voyage charter revenues, reaching approximately $84.5 million, resulting in an average TCE rate of $82,400 per day across our fleet for the quarter. This improvement over the last quarter is primarily attributed to a higher floating rate on 1 of our vessels. When comparing our results to the previous quarters in 2023, it's important to consider the opportunistic sale of the seal towards the end of the first quarter. Therefore, the second and third quarters in 2023 are more comparable.

Third quarter revenues inclusive of noncash amortization of net intangible liabilities amounting to $4.5 million and approximately $3.9 million from third-party vessel management revenues generated $92.9 million. This is above the guidance range provided during our second quarter earnings call in late August.

Year-to-date revenues for '23 nearly doubled compared to the same period in the prior year, mainly due to the higher renewal rates and the addition of 4 acquired vessels to our fleet in November '22.

Operating income for the quarter reached $48.3 million, inclusive of $18.5 million in vessel operating expenses, similar to our OpEx level in the second quarter. Operating income also included $18.9 million in depreciation and amortization, along with $5.9 million in administrative expenses which is a combination of third-party vessel management expenses and routine corporate overhead.

Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter of '23 as a result, was $62.8 million compared to $59.9 million for the second quarter. Reported net income in the third quarter was $39.2 million compared to $44.6 million in the second quarter, a decrease mainly due to lower unrealized mark-to-market gains on our interest rate swaps driven by lower interest rates in the market at the end of the third quarter. This was somewhat offset by higher revenues in the third quarter. Turning to Slide 11, with the net income bridge. This net income bridge illustrates the transition from Q2 to Q3, the difference being mainly a reduction in the unrealized swap gains. Moving to the chart on the right, adjusted for recurring noncash elements, our third quarter net income equaled $28.1 million. The noncash amortization of net intangible assets and liabilities is associated with the revaluation of charter agreements due to the purchase price adjustments related to the ex cola vessels and the subsequent 4 acquired vessels in November last year. Excluding such noncash items, the dividend of $0.41 per share represents approximately a 78% payout of third quarter net income.

Turning to Slide 12, the cash flow bridge. The cash flow bridge for the third quarter represents a starting and ending cash, resulting in a net use of $157 million. This is primarily driven by the payment for the exercise of the new build option, $114 million, plus a subsequent milestone payment to the shipyard for $22 million, which equals to $136 million on the chart, an advanced payment for the previously announced LNGe upgrades of $10 million and the payment of the second quarter dividend. The free cash flow to equity generation was approximately $28 million in the circled area. This was somewhat offset by negative working capital mainly the result of certain customer collections that were received prior to June 30 instead of July 1. Excluding working capital area, the circle area in the first half represents the free cash flow to equity.

So looking ahead, the ex dividend date is set for December 6 with the record date set for December 7. The dividend will be distributed to DTC registered shareholders on or around December 15, followed by Norwegian registered shareholders approximately 3 trading days later on or around December 20.

Turning to Slide 13. As previously reported, our debt maturities are well spread out. And with the recent addition of newbuild financing, we now have an average debt maturity of around 5.5 years. Our first debt maturity is in the first quarter of 2025 for which we're actively pursuing steps to refinance this debt with delayed drawdown terms. We've also successfully secured attractive fixed interest rates for about 85% of our net debt. Proactively managing these debt maturities and fixing interest rates at favorable levels aligns well with our robust fixed rate revenue backlog and our dividends.

The table at the bottom shows the split between realized and unrealized mark-to-market gains and losses, which on our income statement are combined in 1 line item. The cumulative realized swap results since inception of our swap program in July '22, we're well in the money with $8 million in net gains. The unrealized gains as of September 30 were approximately $21 million. Obviously, it's dependent on the interest rate environment, whether these unrealized swap gains can be converted in realized gains over time. So for those of you modeling CoolCo's net income quarter-to-quarter be aware of this significant and largely unrealized mark-to-market element in our earnings reporting.

Our dual listing in both Oslo and New York has facilitated share transfers to the U.S. with 72% now listed in the U.S. and the remainder in Oslo. We reiterate that for Oslo shareholders, aiming to shift their shares to the U.S., a process is outlined in the FAQ section on our website under the Investors tab. We also like to reiterate and request our investors to subscribe to our e-mail alerts for earnings calls, et cetera.

Turning to the next slide, Slide 14, where we highlight some other relevant information. We announced the closing of our newbuild financing in mid-October. In this slide, we shared a little bit more detail on the financing arrangement. The base loan-to-value advance rate is 80% of the shipyard price, but there is an opportunity to increase this percentage to 92.5 which is contingent upon a minimum TCE rate, charter duration and counterparty credit risk. Upon delivery, in September and December 2024, we'll have a tenure of 10 years, while the sale and leaseback financing also includes predelivery debt funding for these 2 newbuilds. The implied interest rate is just under 6%.

The chart on the right shows our current cash breakeven for the existing 11 vessels, taking into account OpEx, G&A, debt service adjusted for interest income. This compares very favorably with our recently reported average TCE rates.

Then turning to Slide 15, some selected guidance for the fourth quarter. Here, we provide some insights in the fourth quarter revenue, which is guided to be slightly higher than Q3. Among our fleet of 11 vessels, then are secured under medium- to long-term charters, of which 1 vessel is under the floating rate. The remaining vessel is engaged in spot voyages for now. For 2024, we plan 3 dry docks, 1 in Q2 and 2 in Q3, resulting in some unpaid dry docking time. In addition to Kool Husky will also undergo upgrades with a sub cooler and an air lubrication system to enhance performance and reduce emissions.

So with the financial overview concluded, I'll hand the call back to Richard.

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

Thanks, Johannes, and that takes us to Page 16. We're quite excited about CoolCo and its potential. And I think this page summarizes it nicely. I won't go through it in detail because it's more targeted at people who are new to the company, and it will be well known to those who have listened through this call.

So I'll stop here and hand over to Q&A. Thank you for listening.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Frode Morkedal from Clarksons Securities.

F
Frode Morkedal
analyst

Maybe first question, could you provide an update on the, let's say, recent trading performance for the Kool Husky in the spot market in the quarter to date?

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

The trading of the Husky has been broadly in line with where you see brokers for the quarter. And of course, you fix a vessel on 1 day, and that rate applies for the length of the voyage, which can be anything from 10 days through to a month. But I think if you add everything in, the levels that have been reported will give you a good guide further. Does that answer the question?

F
Frode Morkedal
analyst

Yes. So we can look at the benchmarks basically. Yes. Sounds good. Yes, looking at next year 2024, you have a few other ships coming open, and you also had it in the chart that 1-year time charter rates have come down to around $80,000 per day. Is that a level you would look favorable upon basically for those open ships? Or are you more optimistic about the spot market going forward?

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

It depends very much on the kind of term you're talking. If someone is willing to enter into a, call it, a 3-year at those kinds of levels, I think that is interesting. I think for shorter-term business, the market has, in fact, come off rather than a lot and has upside.

F
Frode Morkedal
analyst

Okay. Maybe you could talk about your expectations for next year then in terms of supply and demand. You mentioned the Panama Canal and Cape of Good Hope. Just curious if you know given the price differentials between Asia and Europe on natural gas, are those price differentials wide enough to, let's say, go the long haul?

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

I would look at it more in terms of the volume of LNG that needs to find a home, Frode. So I think if you look at Europe now, it is adequately served between the pipeline gas that it still gets from places like Norway and Algeria and the LNG that it can source on the global markets. So if you take that as Europe being adequately supplied, then the natural question is, well, okay, where do the next incremental volumes of LNG go, of which there's quite a big forecast growth next year. And the natural home for that will be in Asia. And of course, as more supply comes online, you'll see pressure on LNG price. I'm sure there'll be quite some elasticity to demand that we'll see Asia pull in those volumes. And hence, my points around the high likelihood of the market as a whole, requiring quite considerably more shipping next year.

F
Frode Morkedal
analyst

Okay. Sounds good. Final question I had is on the newbuild financing. Could you provide more detail on, let's say, the tender or the length of the contracts that give you the 92.5% loan-to-value?

J
Johannes Boots
executive

So the minimum rate is $80,000. The tenor that the finance years ideally are looking for is a minimum of 10 years, and then there's certain counterparty that are specific -- counterparties that are specifically named. But as you know how these things work or may work and this is not any different. If we get a 7-year deal at a rate, obviously, well above 80%. Then there's a high chance that we'll -- certainly we're going to go back to Voxya, and I think there would be a high chance that will look at a higher leverage if we want that.

Operator

We have our next question coming from the line of Liam Burke from B. Riley.

L
Liam Burke
analyst

Richard, how do you factor in the possibility that some of these larger LNG projects not come online on time. I'm not suggesting they'll be canceled, but delayed. And how does that fit into your overall supply equation of the global fleet? And when you're looking at chartering your 2 new builds?

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

Sure. It's definitely 1 of the factors. And I think if you look at the levers, you've got where the volumes are going to go to. That will be a big driver of the number of ships. You, of course, then got the amount of supply that's coming, which is sensitive to delays on these projects. So we absolutely do look at that, and we factor that into our thinking.

My view is that there is a lot of volume coming, which will soak up these new builds which are coming into the market because of the extra distances involved. I think to the extent that things are delayed, we may see some continued competition from sublets, which -- that's not new. We've seen that in the past year or so also. And ultimately, the -- it will be the steam turbines that balance things out.

L
Liam Burke
analyst

Okay. On the steam turbines, though, I mean, there -- a few of them are coming off recharter now. How do they factor in? I would figure the smaller, less efficient, they would be coming off the fleet as we have a fair amount of new builds coming online.

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

Yes, this is exactly the point. The steam turbine vessels, they're coming off contract. So they're not a sunk cost from a charter's point of view. They try and compete in the market. And of course, in a very robust market where all capacity finds employment, they find employment. But in a market where there isn't such a need, it's those vessels that sort of fall down the merit order to the point that they don't find employment anymore.

Operator

We have our next question coming from the line of Peter Hogan from ABG.

U
Unknown Analyst

Yes. Going back to the 6 years of the new builds. We -- at least myself, speaking for myself, I was expecting those to be fixed by now. And now there are not. So I'm wondering to what extent is it now becomes an opportunity to fix them short term and probably then with the fixture not to be expected until sort of the summer of 2024. Is that an option at all? Or are you still more or less solely looking at the opportunity to fix long term?

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

No. I mean we'd look at short term and long term. It's sort of a matter of rates. I mean the nice thing that about CoolCo is that we have some flexibility there. We're not dependent on long-term contracts in the same way that certain infrastructure players are. And that can enable us to do something a little bit shorter term at better levels. So we're absolutely looking at both. As I commented on, there was a short-term deal, a 5-year deal, that didn't quite fit our delivery schedule. But we could end up quite easily doing that kind of deal. But equally, there are still longer-term deals out there. It has been a bit quieter than I might have expected. But as I said, we are next up for anyone needing a ship basically between now and the end of 2025.

U
Unknown Analyst

Understood. But my question was not so much thinking about 5 years as short term, I'm more thinking that you could now -- or perhaps you could wait until the summer of 2024 and then take it to 1 year. So I'm trying to understand to what extent we should now expect the ships to be fixed sort of this winter season or not?

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

Yes. I think that would be a very viable plan B. It's -- the only thing I'd say though about that market is that you would be competing against sublets potentially that are allocated to projects that are a little bit delayed. And you might not get the sort of premium you might expect for the shorter-term charter in that market.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. So the plan still would be to fix them sooner rather than later, understood. And finally on the Panama Canal. I'm trying to get my head around what will actually happen if it goes as low as 18 transits per day as the Canal authorities has guided for. So in the case of coming into February with less than 20 transits per day, I presume that some of the LNG ships that would normally do the Panama routes would need to find alternatives. Do you see yourself concrete examples of voyages planned for the start of next year, which could end up doing that? And in any case, do you have any view on how that, in particular, is going to impact quantitatively the market as such?

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

Sure. We are seeing examples of ships going around the Cape of Good Hope when they're looking to go from the Atlantic Basin into the Pacific Basin, I'd go as far as saying that is the norm today. However, we are still seeing a market where you have a lot of the U.S. volumes going to Europe, call it, 70% or so. And then the Pacific volumes obviously stay in the Pacific Basin. So the number of long hauls is relatively limited. But for those people who want to go from the Atlantic Basin to Pacific Basin, they are, as of now, getting around the Cape of Good Hope as Plan A. And what does that mean in terms of shipping? Well, it effectively means you need an extra ship per million tons of LNG. If you can go through Panama, you maybe need 2 ships per million tonnes, if you want to go around or have to go around the Cape, you need to 3.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Yes. Understood. But to my knowledge, there are still substantial amounts of LNG going through the Canal. So my thinking was, well, if it's already so that all ships that would need to go around Cape, already do that. So that would mean less sort of upside than for the scenario in which we would need to reduce the transits through Panama even more. But well, yes, I totally follow you that this is currently already in effect, but the question is from my side, to what extent we should expect the next, say, 2 to 3 months to accelerate the number of long hauls from the fact that it's only container ships left in the Panama Canal?

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

It is quite a recent phenomenon. It's not like we've seen this all the way through the quarter. This is something we've started to see over the last few weeks.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We have our next question coming from the line of Richard Diamond from Castlewood Capital.

U
Unknown Analyst

I'd like you to help me with my math. If I order a new ship today, it would cost roughly $268 million, and it would deliver in '27, '28. This is a little bit long, but I'd ask your patience. Based on analyst opinions, CoolCo's NAV is $1,850, and at today's premarket price, I can buy a share of CoolCo at a 35% discount to the steel with a sustainable dividend of over 12%. And -- do you think my math is correct? And do you think I'm missing anything?

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

I think your math is correct, Richard. I mean, of course, you have to make a few adjustments for the generation of ship and so on and so forth. However, if you're starting off with a ship, which costs well over $260 million, you need $100,000 a day to cover your cost of capital. Fundamentally, that's what the page in the presentation shows. And that's if you have a relatively low cost of capital.

And you can then deduct from that number, the delta that you typically see between a new 2 stroke and our TFDEs, if you're talking about those vessels, we do have some 2 strikes as well, but the TFDEs, you have to adjust. But the delta is about $20,000 a day. So that gets you to 80%. If you look at the contracts we have on these vessels and take a number like that in the tail, you get to an NAV which is substantially above what we're trading.

U
Unknown Analyst

Thank you very much because the NAV is projecting a very negative outlook. The discount to NAV is projecting a very negative outlook based on everything that I read, it's not warranted. Thank you.

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

Thank you for the question, Richard.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There seems to be no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Tyrrell for any final closing comments.

R
Richard Tyrrell
executive

Thank you, Laura, and thank you, everybody, for joining the call. I'm sure we'll be in touch with updates before the next quarterly call. But if you miss those or if not, I wish everybody happy holidays and we'll be looking to get these ships fixed and reporting back as soon as they are. Many thanks.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a lovely day.

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