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Good morning, and welcome to the First Quarter 2024 Presentation for Bonheur. My name is Anette Olsen, and I'm the CEO of Bonheur. I have with me here, as you know well, Richard Olav Aa, our CFO, and he will present the main figures. We also have, as usual, our CEOs for the different subsidiaries of Bonheur, and they will take their turn in presenting to you.Today, we have 3 relatively new CEOs that will present for you. It is Sofie Olsen Jebsen, responsible for Fred. Olsen Renewables; Per Arvid Holth, responsible for Fred. Olsen 1848; and Haakon Magne Ore, responsible for Fred. Olsen Windcarrier. In addition, Lars Bender will, of course, present Fred. Olsen Seawind for you.So with that, I will give the word to Richard.
Yes. Thank you, Anette. And also hearty welcome to this conference call from me. I think before I go into the numbers, I would like to give you a little bit of the market backdrop of the main markets Bonheur is present in. I think if you look at the first quarter results, these market trends give a very good description of what were the backdrop of the results. First of all, the energy markets, we see that steep decline in natural gas prices, coupled with high inventory of natural gas has driven the cost of electricity down in Europe to a large extent. And that also impact electricity prices in all our main markets as you see coming through in the results.So we see a weaker power price market than we have been used for the last few years. On the other hand, we see a quite buoyant market for our installation business with a lot of delays and movements in the schedule in the short run and also a strong pipeline building up in the long run. And also the Cruise market is quite buoyant as we see coming through in the booking numbers. So that's the market backdrop of the results. When it come to the operational backdrop of the results, we have quite good operations underlying this quarter. However, we have, especially in the Wind Service segment, 1 vessel, Brave Tern in yard in Spain out of service and 1 vessel, Blue Tern has been in transit between 2 projects impacting the result this quarter.Also Cruise, we had some special operational issues this quarter due to the geopolitical situation in the Middle East, where we have to change our plans and reroute vessels in the quarter with additional costs impacting the Cruise. So that is a little bit of the macro sentiment, the market backdrop and what are the main things impacting the result, which is a good backdrop when we go into the numbers.Starting out with Renewable Energy, we see that EBITDA is down from slightly short of NOK 800 million, down to NOK 476 million, a drop of NOK 288 million (sic) [ NOK 287 million ], mainly related to lower prices, which is on average 39% lower than first quarter last year. Sofie will come back to the main market drivers in her presentation. On the offshore wind, we are progressing both the Codling and Scoping projects, and Lars will come back to that in his presentation, the main focus there now are on the consent applications.When it comes to Wind Service, despite 1 vessel in yard Brave Tern in Spain and Blue Tern in transit between Scotland and the Baltics, we still delivered an EBITDA of NOK 174 million, down from NOK 206 million first quarter last year. Backlog is strong, EUR 514 million for the Tern vessels and EUR 105 million for the Blue Wind vessel. I also commented on the Brave Tern at the yard, Haakon Magne Ore will come back to that later in his presentation.On the Cruise, we have an EBITDA of NOK 2 million, which is more or less on par of first quarter last year. Occupancy is slightly up. Net ticket income prices slightly down, and I'll cover more details on the Cruise at the end of the presentation. On the strong side, we see that the booking numbers are coming in strong compared to last year. Other Investments, EBITDA more or less on the same level, largely overhead costs and investments into 1848 and a small EBITDA loss in NHST. Per Arvid will come back to the investments and the technology based in Fred. Olsen 1848.I will cover the consolidated results on the next slide, but just a quick note on the parent company, stands still at an equity ratio of close to 70% and cash in parent NOK 3.5 billion at the end of first quarter.So the consolidated summary, revenues of close to NOK 3 billion, same level as first quarter last year. You may ask why can you have revenues at the same level with the steep drop in the power prices? Well, the explanation is really related to the Blue Wind vessel, where we have higher revenues this quarter and also higher revenues in the Cruise Lines, also driven by straightening of the pound. That we see on the OpEx as well that OpEx is going up with NOK 304 million. That's also mainly related to taking in also the OpEx on the Blue Wind vessel from Shimizu and somewhat higher also OpEx in Cruise. So EBITDA is down with NOK 330 million, mainly driven by lower power prices.Depreciation corrected for currency is more or less at the same level at NOK 279 million. Net finance this quarter is very positive. Normally, you would expect a negative figure on net finance. This quarter was a positive NOK 114 million. It was also positive first quarter last year. This is mainly unrealized effects in currencies and also the interest rate swaps in renewable, had a positive value development in the first quarter this year and the same as first quarter [ '23 ]. So earnings before tax came in at NOK 425 million. And the tax cost, we pay largely tax in the U.K. on the renewables side and also in the operations for Windcarrier in Taiwan. So tax cost at NOK 122 million and the net results of NOK 304 million, which is NOK 262 million down from first quarter last year and again, mainly driven by lower power prices.One small note maybe worth mentioning is on the net interest-bearing debt. We had a good development in working capital this quarter. So the net interest-bearing debt on a consolidated level is down by close to NOK 500 million year-on-year on a consolidated basis. Yes, the revenue side, again, stable revenues. And you see here a more detailed breakdown why we have stable revenues. Renewable Energy, down at NOK 446 million, mainly related to power prices. When we look at generation, generation is also lower than P50, but also somewhat compensated by curtailment. So our generation is not a big explanation this quarter, net of curtailment. It's really the process.On the Wind Service side, we have the Shimizu vessel, but also a strong start of the year on the revenue side in Global Wind Service compared to last year. Cruise, higher occupancy, but also currency effects driving up the revenue. Then on EBITDA. Renewable Energy, down NOK 288 million. You would expect with this steep revenue decline that the drop in EBITDA will be even higher than NOK 288 million. The main explanation for that is not coming even harder to in the results is that in first quarter '23, we booked more than NOK 100 million in OpEx in the EGL tax in the U.K., which is a tax system, the U.K. government introduced under the very high electricity prices.So first quarter last year, it was a record high. So we booked -- accrued a tax then in the first quarter that later turned out to be too high of an accrual since the drop of the energy prices for the rest of the year, and the tax is calculated on a yearly basis, actually took down -- the tax level down to a very minimal level. And obviously, we don't have that sort of tax expense in first quarter this year. So without that tax, the change would have been more than NOK 400 million on pricing alone. Wind Service, down with NOK 32 million, actually quite strong, in my opinion, considering that Brave is -- has been at the yard and that we have grew in transit between 2 projects.Cruise Lines down on EBITDA. I would say we would have expected more from Cruise Lines this quarter, but due to the geopolitical situation that we had to reroute sailing routes and destinations, also incurring higher banking costs for having to sail, what do I say, around Africa instead of through the Suez. That has impacted the cost of Cruise Lines quite a bit this quarter. And Other, NHST, Fred. Olsen 1848 and overhead is more or less as expected.On to the balance sheet by first quarter, I mentioned that we had quite a positive development in working capital, and also, we had some yes, quite good cash flow in the first quarter. So we see that Renewable Energy, starting from the top, the 100% controlled entity, sits with more than NOK 300 million in cash. Wind Service actually now have more cash than they have external debt in their banking facilities for Brave and Bold. Cruise Lines, we got the payment from Braemar and also good working capital development in Cruise Lines on the back of strong bookings, so close to NOK 600 million in cash compared to a quite small external debt, mainly related to the sellers credit with Carnival. And then Bonheur ASA and some minor subsidiaries sitting with the NOK 3.6 billion in cash compared to the bond debt of NOK 2.9 billion. So 100% controlled entity, has a very solid cash position of NOK 5.2 billion compared to a debt level of NOK 3.7 billion,.Down in the joint ventures and where we don't control 100%, we see the Renewable Energy largely than the wind farms in Scandinavia and Scotland have a cash position of NOK 706 million compared to an external debt of NOK 5.5 million (sic) NOK 5.5 billion, which is a good capitalization of all the wind farms. Wind Service, NOK 452 million in cash compared to an external debt of close to NOK 1 billion. So the main debt is down in the joint venture, according with the policy and the Green Finance Framework of Bonheur.Yes. So that takes me to the end of my presentation, Anette.
Good. Sofie Olsen Jebsen now responsible for Fred. Olsen Renewables.
Thank you very much. So for Fred. Olsen Renewables, the results this quarter are influenced by mostly lower power prices, but also some winter conditions, where the icing and strong winds makes the turbine stop and the strong winds makes it take longer for the turbines to have adequate conditions to start up again.So moving on, we have a full cycle business model, where we develop projects cradle-to-grave. And we believe we create better projects this way because we can then deliver Renewable Energy better and contribute to the green transition. And actually, this business model gives us quite a lot of credibility in the local community as well because we can say that we will be here to operate the project. Actually, the last or the latest -- some of the latest 2 projects that have come to us in the U.K. have been added by local land owners coming to us, having been approached by others, but wanting us to develop the project instead. So being responsible actually creates business opportunities for us. I will talk about some project examples today, but first, some comments on the markets.So moving on. The generation is slightly lower than expected, as you see on the top left-hand side with regards to the power prices, on the top right-hand side, you see how closely linked the European power prices are to the gas prices. And as Richard has mentioned, as gas storage level are seasonally healthy on the back of a mild winter and strong supply, the power prices have stabilized at a lower level. So we also see there is a lower-than-normal demand for heating and that there is quite a lot of import of LNG. And as you see then on the lower left graph, these factors influences -- influence the power prices in our core markets. So they have stabilized at a lower level.Moving on. I would like to show you 2 example projects today. The first one is Verkanliden, which is one of our development projects in Northern Sweden. And Verkanliden received consent in Q1 for an increase in tip height from 210 meters to 250 meters. This will improve the yield and is, of course, very good news for us.Moving on again. The second example I would like to mention is the Lees Hill Renewable Energy Park, which is actually one of Scotland's first greenfield multi-technology hybrid project, if not the first. And what is special about this project are very interesting as well is that we are developing both wind, solar and battery together. So the project has been submitted or the application has been submitted to the authorities, which is very interesting.Moving on then, I would like to show a film, and this is from our Lista wind farm in Norway, where one of the technicians there called [indiscernible], will share some of his insights. So please play the film.[Presentation]Moving on then. I would like to round off with a picture from our Verkanliden wind farm in Sweden, which consists of 25 turbines with a maximum tip height of 200 meters. Thank you.
Good. Thank you, Sofie. Next in line is Lars Bender, Fred. Olsen Seawind.
Thanks, Anette. Yes, and also welcome to Fred. Olsen Seawind's presentation. I will today walk you through the highlights of Q1 in Fred. Olsen Seawind in each of our core markets. And starting off, I'll give you a bit of the highlights before going into further the details. We've seen overall good performance on our main projects, both in Ireland with the Codling Wind Park and the Muir Mhor project. Secondly, we have unfortunately seen a postponement of the [indiscernible], yet another postponement in Norway for that project. And then thirdly, and positively, we have expanded our cooperation with EDF in Ireland. All of these 3 things, I'll come back to in the presentation in more detail.If we move on to Ireland, we have, over this quarter, seen positive development in our project. We are, as Richard mentioned at the beginning, very much focused on the consent application and preparing the project for the final consent application. That entails that we've had focus in this quarter on public consultations. We've had really good engagement with local communities and local stakeholders. And in that relation, also had really positive feedback on our project. In addition, we have over some time now, worked on developing the project parameters with a more flexible development envelope. That means that we are now targeting FID between '25 and '27 with the intent to cater for the consent received in Ireland.Currently, we will be one of the first projects to apply for consent in Ireland, and it will be one of the first offshore wind projects in Ireland to be consented. That gives some uncertainty around the timing of that consent and how the government will deliver the final dissent application. In order to cater for that uncertainty, we have now designed a robust development package for the project where we can take an early FID but also later FID depending on the outcome. In addition to that, it has been important for us also to be flexible around development to grab future opportunities. We currently see an offshore wind market with a lot of opportunities. We see technology advancements, we see new capacity coming into the market, and we also see new entrants on the supply chain side. In order to enhance shareholder value, we see some of these opportunities being relevant for our project and having a flexible approach to the development gives us the opportunity to grab some of these opportunities down the line.Moving on to the news I alluded to in the beginning. We have entered into a partnership with EDF around Ireland Phase 2. Ireland Phase 2 is the next step after the first auction, which will contain around 2 gigawatt of total capacity. It has been natural for us to expand the good cooperation with EDF from Codling. We have significant synergies together for Phase 2. So we want to build on that and of course, strengthen our presence in Ireland together. Currently, the time line for Phase 2 is end of '24, maybe early '25. And we are now awaiting clarity on some terms and conditions. And based on that, we will, of course, evaluate these opportunities together with EDF.Moving on to Scotland. We have, in the last quarter, actually opened a new project office together with Vattenfall. And that is obviously a testament to the project strength and the common belief we have together with Vattenfall in the project we are developing. We've seen the team over the last 2 years deliver and develop the project really well. We have delivered on the milestones we've set out in relation to gathering data on site in relation to preparing for consent. And therefore, it's been natural for us to strengthen the presence, and we are now looking towards a consent application in this year for the Muir Mhor project.If we move on to Norway. And as I alluded to in the beginning, we have unfortunately seen yet another delay in Norway. It's been a lot of delays over '23. And now we have an indefinite delay of [indiscernible]. And naturally, that is not positive. And this adds to a picture in Norway with [ one line attacks ] on onshore, where it's probably fair to say that the investor confidence and the developer confidence in Norway is at a low. However, if we take a step back, we still, as a company, have strong belief in the Norwegian market. There is a strong wind resource. There's a strong supply chain. There is a power demand over time. So the potential is great in Norway. But naturally, that potential will only be realized if we have a stable and robust framework. And that is very much what we are waiting and also hoping for going forward.So to round off this quarter, 3 main news. First of all, stable development and progress in our projects in Scotland and Ireland. Secondly, bad news in Norway, unfortunately, with the postponement of [indiscernible], but then thirdly, I think, very positively and the expansion of our good cooperation with EDF in Ireland.And with that, I will hand over back to you, Anette.
Thank you. We will come back to questions at the end of the session. Next, Per Arvid Holth, Fred. Olsen 1848.
Thank you. Sorry. So I will go through 3 of the solutions that we are currently working on, starting with Brunel. Then this being my first presentation, I thought I'd go a bit back to the basics on Brunel. Brunel is Fred. Olsen 1848's response to how to produce as many floating wind turbines as possible in the shortest possible time. And we're doing that by leveraging the monopile fabrication technologies that has been developed while through the development of bottom-fixed wind. Furthermore, as the bottom-fixed wind is developing and installing larger and larger turbines, we see an opportunity for Brunel in that some of the monopile fabrication capacity will be left behind as it cannot supply that -- those bigger turbines.And that's an opportunity for supplying Brunel, which we're quite excited about. Brunel is currently in its final stages in achieving DNV certificate for basic design that leaves us at the TRL level of 6. And that means that we are now technically mature enough to start discussing with fabricators and developers on building a site-specific Brunel. The third aspect that I would like to highlight in our approach to Brunel is that we feel that each floating turbine will need a specific controller to work optimally. That challenge, we have attacked by starting a project together with the Norwegian Research Institute, IFE, supported by the Norwegian Research Council to make a specific controller for Brunel. And that sets us in a good position to manage the power production coming out of our technology.[ Fine ], then I'll go to the next one, which is the Floating Maintenance Solution. Now the Floating Maintenance Solution is a service for changing major components on offshore -- floating offshore wind turbines. And there are 2 aspects of the service that I'd like to highlight. One is that the technology utilized while providing the service is basically available in the market today. The second one is that our solution does not interfere with the established practices for handling the components, either it being [ wings ] or it being gearboxes. So we are complying with existing and well-established procedures. And to us, that means that we feel we have a quite small threshold for entering the market with this service. We are continuing discussions with developers and maturing the business case as we go along.Finally, moving from floating wind to floating solar, an update on our nearshore floating solar technology, BRIZO. In the last quarterly presentation, we showed a video of our installation of 124 kilowatts pilot at [indiscernible], just north of Risor. And of course, this pilot is very crucial in our operation today. We are gaining a lot of operational experience with the system in its operational environment, which we are then feeding back into the design process. And in parallel with that, we are doing a full new iteration of the design process. And in that perspective, again, the site at [indiscernible] is important to implement new solutions in the field and test it straightaway. Commercially, we are working to get opportunities for our first commercial unit. So that is typically up to a 3 megawatt unit, and that is our focus going forward.So that was my summary. Thank you.
Thank you, Per. And certainly, we hope that some of you might have a chance to see the floating solar project in Risor this summer, but don't get too close. It's still being tested.So Haakon Magne, responsible for Fred. Olsen Windcarrier.
Yes. Thank you. Good morning to all of you. I think the quarter in short was that yet another decent operational quarter. I think I -- if I should highlight 2 things, I think it's the yard stay that also Richard mentioned, Brave went into yard to be able -- one major upgrade to be able to handle the next generation of turbines. This is a copycat of what we did 2 years with Bold. Then on the market, we continue to see a tight market. We see developers seeking commitment a long time ahead. But we also see that the general supply chain issues that we have in the offshore industry today continues to impact the dynamics, both positively, but potentially also negatively longer term.That takes me over to the vessels. Brave -- Bold Tern continued to execute on its backlog in Taiwan. Brave Tern as mentioned, went into yard. Blue Tern completed the energy work, a project that it has been for almost 2 years and then mobilizing for a project in the Baltic Sea. Blue Wind, which we manage on behalf of Shimizu outside Japan that is mobilizing for its second project under the partnership.Going a little bit into the operational and the financials. As mentioned, we had another stable operational quarter. We had a contractual utilization of 93%. That means we sold 93% of the days we had available for sale. Given that Brave Tern was in yard for the whole quarter and we also had some incremental downtime on Blue, between the 2 contracts, there was some [ additional ] time on maintenance, but also some weather related delays during the transit. Taking into account all that, we had a commercial utilization of 67%. That means the dates we actually got paid in the quarter. For the financial part of it, we came out with an EBITDA of close to EUR 14 million. Again, taking into account -- have in mind that 1/3 of our production capacity had no earnings but full cost level in the quarter. We have included 2 pictures to highlight the yard process that we are undergoing. Again, it's a copycat of what we did 2 years ago and which has been proven to be a very good and competitive upgrade when the vessel comes out of yard.The first vessel showing the crane being delivered at Navantia in Spain. The second one is the old vessel -- old crane coming off the vessel. We continue to expect -- as we have communicated, at the vessel, we redelivered and ready to work during next quarter. My last slide is on the backlog. The backlog remains healthy at EUR 514 million for our 3 owned vessels. That's down marginally quarter-over-quarter. If we include the Shimizu vessel, the backlog is at EUR 619 million. Main events during the quarter is that we secured an O&M contract with Vestas. That fits very well into a gap we had between 2 T&I contracts. It's always good to fill the whole schedule. We also, last quarter, announced that we had entered into a reservation agreement for work in '25. Unfortunately, that agreement lapsed without being concluded in a firm contract.To give you some more highlights on that, I think I'll go back to the market comment I made at the initial of the start, where you see that the value chain bottlenecks, we, in general, have in offshore wind, impact also our market niches. When there is the bottlenecks in the value chain that impacts the project, project often become delayed. For the installation vessels such as us, we are on a day rate contract with a fixed start and end date. So if the project is not able to then install the turbine in the agreed space, it creates additional demand for our vessel. That was the case we had for this reservation agreement. But unfortunately, the reserve -- supply chain issues resurfaced. So it appears that it was hard for [indiscernible] to adopt incremental vessel installation capacity. So that made some troubling to conclude the contract at the current point in time. As I mentioned also, the rest of the market is tight. We continue to see high bidding activity, and we also continue to see developer approaching us to secure vessel capacity longer time ahead than what we've seen at normal times.I think then I'll give the word back.
Thank you, [ Magne ]. Next, Richard is going to cover Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines.
Yes. Thank you, Anette. So Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines in the quarter, starting with the vessels, Borealis, Bolette and Balmoral operated in the quarter, while Braemar was sold. So we're glad to report that she was delivered. We have got all the proceeds. And hopefully, she will get good next life with a new owner, where she will be rebuilt into a residential ship. So a very strong team effort from the technical team here in Oslo and also the team in Ipswich to get that over the finishing line in the quarter.Going back to the 3 ships. We had occupancy in the quarter of 69%, up from 66%. In a historical perspective, 69% in first quarter isn't all that bad. But going forward, I think we will aim higher than 69%. But typically, our challenge with Cruise Lines is the occupancy in the fourth quarter and the first quarter. So that has to be a focus going forward to get the occupancy also higher in the shoulder season to have a better earnings. Net ticket income of GBP 172 per diem compared to GBP 180 per diem. That is definitely on the soft side. It's also to be explained by that we have some very long world cruises in the mix this quarter, which typically have a lower per diem than shorter 1-week to 2-week cruises for the rest of the year, and we had less of these long-term cruises in first quarter last year.But also a strong focus going forward is to get the yields at the higher level. And then we had higher OpEx in the quarter, due to that we had to reroute world cruise due to the geopolitical conflict in the Middle East and in particular, the trouble we see in the Red Sea. So I think we took a very early and good decision of the safety of our guests and crew not to take any chances of that. So very happy that we were quick on our feet there and rather took some higher OpEx and some cancellations from our guests. Safety has to come first. On a very positive side, we see that the booking numbers are coming in good compared to last year. Even if the first quarter sailings didn't improve that much from last year, we see going forward what we have booked now for the remaining of the year and into '25 come in with stronger figures. And that also comes, I think, on the back of increased customer satisfaction. We see that on all 3 vessels, the customer satisfaction is at a high level and going up.So I think we have hit a good nerve with the 2 new vessels and also how we have upgraded Balmoral. There's a lot more to do and to continue to improve customer satisfaction, but it's -- it is at a healthy level and it's improving. So if you want to experience cruise experience with us this summer and into the autumn, I think you have to be quick now because it's very soon sold out. So I think we'll end with that, Anette.
Good. An invitation to book cruises.
Absolutely.
So with that, we will then move to the questions, if you have any. So please.
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Joseph Fleming (sic) [ Jonas Fremming ] from SB1 Markets.
Jonas Fremming from SB1 Markets. Just -- I just want to start up with a question to Fred. Olsen Windcarrier. So obviously, just thinking about the current backlog for 2025. So without the reservation contract, I guess that you have a vessel open for the entire year basically. And maybe, [ there ], you can comment on other opportunities to add work for '25 for that specific vessel, given that the reservation agreement was canceled, and maybe about whether you see similar terms for that potential contract?
Yes. Thanks for the question. I think as I tried to allude on, we are in a dynamic world, things are happening. There is a lot of activity in our space. There's a lot of projects ongoing. So I think we are quite positive given the outlook and the dialogues that we have for that vessel.
And on which vessel, it was -- was it one of the 100% owned vessels or was it Blue Tern?
I think we normally don't comment specifically on our vessel schedule. So I think I'll pass that question.
Yes. Now just to add to that, Haakon Magne, as you have seen before, we have been very good at executing also vessel swaps with our clients and that is necessary. So we have a flexibility to cater for movements in the market like Haakon Magne said. So I don't think it -- we will refrain from comment on specific vessel allocation as the market -- in the dynamic market picture.
Maybe one last question before I head back to the queue. So when it comes to Codling, obviously, FID targeted in '25 to '27. What would need to happen for an FID to be in 2025 versus 2027? And do you have like any internal expectations of FID here?
Thank you for the question, first of all. Obviously, the reason we have made a flexible development schedule is basically to cater for 2 things. One, we want to allow for flexibility on the government side. This is the first time for the Irish government to consent offshore wind projects. And inherently, that can take either a shorter period of time or it could take a longer period of time. In order to have a robust schedule and also have a robust development plan, we have catered for that in the flexibility we have added. But as I also said before, what is as important is that we currently see a market as, also Haakon Magne alluded to with some constraints, but we also see a lot of opportunities.We see new technology being developed. We see new players coming into the market, and we see capacity being expanded. And that is very much an opportunity for a project like Codling. And having flexibility on when we take FID maximizes the potential of grabbing those opportunities. So currently, to be clear on your question, we cater for both scenarios, early and late, depending on the outcome. So that is our current expectation that we can deliver on both.
[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Joseph Fleming (sic) [ Jonas Fremming ], SB1 Markets.
[Technical Difficulty] questions today. I just have a question on the production level for the first quarter. Can you add some light on the production levels? I mean, this quarter, it has to be significantly below P50 level. So some more details on that would be great.
Yes. As I mentioned in the presentation, with regards to the generation from the wind farms, we have seen some major repair works. There has also been significant winter conditions this quarter. And that, of course, also influences the production. So the -- both high winds and icing has influenced some of the wind farms to a varying degree. And that's -- yes, that's what we have seen.
I just like to, but I just like to add that if you look at the slide Sofie presented on the generation on the first quarter, even though we had this problem, it's not a normal low quarter generation and also have some curtailment compensation in this quarter. So even though there are effects of lower generation, I would like to stress that the main reason for the lower results in renewables is prices.
Yes.
And last question from me on Cruise. Obviously, some extra costs for the first quarter. Is that something that is expected to continue as long as the Red Sea situation continues or...
Well, I hope not that the situation in the Middle East, we can all hope that, that will calm down and not escalate further. I think when we now go into the summer season, we see that more of our cruises are in different waters fortunately. But of course, that in the winter time, we have had good success with world cruise and so on. Going through the Suez is more efficient. And of course, the destinations in that area are much more attractive than the destination of the West Coast of Africa.So not having the opportunity to go to the Eastern Med and through Suez and [ down there is ], of course, not good for the long-term. But Cruise Lines is working diligently to substitute the destinations there as we don't know how long these conflicts will last, but we cannot bet on that. That will solve itself. But short-term, I think the worst is behind us. But longer term, we're losing a key sailing area. So -- and also, yes, St. Petersburg used to be a good part, now also the Middle East. So these geopolitical situations are -- forces us to find the new ways to cruise.
Have you seen the additional costs related to the Red Sea situation continue into the second quarter?
I think we have taken main -- the main bulk of it in the first quarter as then we had the rerouting had to sail around Africa, but whether it will be some spillover in the -- into the second quarter, I cannot guarantee you.
Helene Brondbo from DNB.
I had one question related to your Renewable Energy segment. And I was just wondering if you could provide any commentary on the status on your sales of guarantees of origin in both the U.K. as well as in Norway and Sweden in Q1?
[ We got... ]
Yes. No, thank you for the question. I think we don't break down our revenues. But as we have commented earlier on, we have improved quite a bit on the auxiliary revenues, how we work on those, both on the REGOs and the ROCs and so on, how we constantly look at the market, how we choose the best suppliers and so on. So also the first quarter, we had quite okay revenues from REGOs and other certificates of origin.
I also have one question for Haakon Magne on the [indiscernible] site. On [indiscernible] earnings call yesterday, they talked about potential incremental demand for some of its projects related to some delays earlier in the value chain, and that also includes Taiwanese projects where you have the initial installation work. So I was wondering, have you received any indications about an incremental demand there?
I think maybe we could just also make reference to my answer to Jonas on our potential for work for the available capacity in '25. I think we have the dialogue with all the major developers and continuously entertain various solutions.
[ No other ] questions at this time.
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