Worthington Industries Inc

NYSE:WOR

Earnings Call Analysis

Revenue Dip with Strong EBITDA Performance

After a sluggish September, the company witnessed sequential sales improvement in October and November, laying the groundwork for growth in 2024. Despite Building Products' Q2 revenues falling 13% to $123 million, robust gross margins kept EBIT nearly steady. The company experienced destocking in certain markets but overall remained resilient, with WAVE contributing $21 million in equity earnings. Sustainable Energy Solutions (SES) struggled with a 28% drop in sales. Pro forma adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $51.3 million, a slight dip from $57.7 million the previous year, with a maintained margin of 21%. A capital expenditure of $12 million was directed at modernizing facilities and systems separation. The company is aiming for long-term growth through innovation, strategic acquisitions, and transforming operations, with a commitment to enhanced ESG performance.

Signs of Resilience Despite a Tough Quarter

In a challenging economic environment, the company showed signs of resilience with some divisions like Building Products displaying robustness amidst downturns. Sales in Building Products decreased compared to the previous year, yet the slight dip in earnings before interest and taxes (EBIT) amidst a more significant revenue drop indicates effective management and higher gross margins achieved by its wholly-owned businesses. Sustainable Energy Solutions (SES) struggled, with sales plummeting mainly due to lower volumes and an unfavorable product mix, leading to a loss. Nonetheless, the ongoing interest in coating services provided a glint of hope.

Optimism for a Stronger Finish to the Year

The company endured a soft Q2 but anticipates a return to 'business as usual' towards the end of the year. With market share gains and new product placements, executives remain optimistic about calendar 2024, expecting a gradual improvement in both volumes and margins, particularly in the Outdoor Living sector. This positive outlook, along with an expected easing of destocking in the heating and cooling construction markets, paints a promising picture for the coming months.

Acknowledging Corporate Realignment

Q2 2024 marks the last quarter that business performance will be reported under Worthington Industries. Moving forward, the company will provide a pro forma reconciliation of revenues and EBITDA to offer better transparency post the split of the Steel processing business. In the analysis of Enterprises for Q2 2024, there was a slight dip in pro forma adjusted EBITDA year-over-year, while the EBITDA margin remained stable at 21%. This change heralds a new chapter for the company, focusing on transparency and insights.

Strategic Priorities Steer Toward Growth and Innovation

The Company is honing its focus on growth through transformation, acquisitions, and innovation. They are committed to launching new and superior products to serve customers better, aiming to cement themselves as a growth-oriented entity with market-leading niches. This commitment is underscored by a history of disciplined acquisitions rather than transformational buys and an ongoing pursuit of operational excellence and sustainable practices.

Capital Expenditure and Financial Strategy

Keeping an eye on capital expenditure, the company expects a run rate CapEx for the business, excluding significant projects, to be in the mid-30s as a percentage of sales. They have successfully moderated spending while planning investments that support growth, technology, and product development over the next few years.

Dividend Policy and M&A Outlook

While the dividend payout remained conservative, the company conveyed a strategy of maintaining financial flexibility in anticipation of future acquisitions. With a focus on smaller integrations that align with Worthington’s Business System, they put an emphasis on innovation and transformation as strategic pillars. Moreover, the company expects to revisit the dividend payout ratio, considering strategic planning outcomes and cash flow forecasts, indicating a potential re-evaluation of dividend strategies in the near future.

Earnings Call Transcript 2024-Q2

[Operator]

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Worthington Enterprises Second Quarter Fiscal 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This conference is being recorded at the request of Worthington Enterprises. If anyone objects, you may disconnect at this time. I'd now like to introduce Marcus Rogier, Treasurer and Investor Relations Officer. Mr. Rogier, you may begin.

[Marcus Rogier, executive]

Thank you, Jo. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Worthington Enterprises Second Quarter Fiscal 2024 Earnings Call. Results for our second quarter reflect the performance of the pre-separation consolidated Worthington Industries, including the Worthington Steel business, which became a stand-alone publicly traded company on December 1. Given the recent separation, today's prepared remarks will primarily focus on the consolidated results as well as the performance of the remaining business segments within Worthington Enterprises, including building products, consumer products and sustainable energy solutions. Worthington Steel will be hosting their second quarter earnings call separately on Friday morning of this week at 8:30 a.m. So we'd please ask that you hold any questions about the steel processing business until then.

On our call today, we have Andy Rose, Worthington's President and Chief Executive Officer; and Joe Hayek, Worthington's Chief Financial and Operations Officer.

Before we get started, I'd like to note that certain statements made today are forward-looking within the meaning of the 1995 Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those suggested. We issued our earnings release yesterday after the market close. Please refer to it for more detail on those factors that could cause actual results to differ materially.

In addition, our discussion today will include non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of these measures with the most appropriate comparable GAAP measure is included in the earnings press release, which is available on our Investor Relations website.

Lastly, today's call is being recorded, and a replay will be made available later on our website. At this point, I will turn the call over to Andy for opening remarks.

[B. Rose, executive]

Thank you, Marcus, and good morning, everyone. What a year it has been. I want to start the call by thanking our employees who have gone above and beyond to make this separation successful. Our people have stayed positive in the face of change and worked tirelessly to set both companies up for success. I am confident that the work done by our teams to create Worthington Steel and Worthington Enterprises was best-in-class. I also want to thank our customers for continuing to have confidence in Worthington Steel and Worthington Enterprises throughout this process. Both businesses performed well over the past 15 months, and I know these 2 companies are better positioned for success today as 2 separate entities than when we began this journey back in 2022.

And finally, I'd like to thank our Board of Directors for having confidence in our leadership team to not only make the decision to separate the companies, but to dig in and help navigate the journey. This was truly a team effort across many constituencies.

December 1 marks the end of Worthington Industries, but it really represents a new beginning. We've taken 1 great company and created 2 great companies, both of which are well capitalized market-leading businesses poised for growth and value creation. We will maintain the best of what has made us great over 68 years, our philosophy, written down over 50 years ago by our founder, will continue to shape our culture, decision-making and performance. The philosophy is based on the golden rule. We treat our customers, employees, investors and suppliers as we would like to be treated. The philosophy's first corporate goal for Worthington is to earn money for our shareholders and increase the value of their investment. This is underpinned by our performance-based culture. And above all, our belief in our most important asset, our people.

We are excited about our future in Worthington Enterprises and wish our friends at Worthington Steel best of luck in their future endeavors. Joe, you want to take us through the numbers?

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

Sure. Thank you, Andy, and good morning, everybody. This is a unique quarter for us. And as Marcus mentioned, we'll be reporting the earnings of Worthington Industries as a consolidated entity. I'll go over those results then focus a bit more on the business units that now make up Worthington Enterprises, and we would ask that any questions related to Worthington Steel will be held for that team who have their earnings call scheduled for Friday morning.

In Q2, we reported consolidated earnings of $0.49 a share versus $0.33 per share in the prior year quarter. There were a few unique items that impacted our quarterly results, including the following. We incurred pretax expense of $22 million or $0.33 per share related to the separation of our steel processing business into a new public company, which was completed on December 1. This compares to separation expenses of $0.14 a share incurred in the prior year quarter. We may have some minor expenses related to the separation in Q3, and we believe that the majority of those expenses are behind us.

We recognized a pretax gain of $3 million or $0.04 a share related to the divestiture of the Brazilian business of our Cabs joint venture. In the prior year, the quarter benefited by $0.03 per share, primarily due to a gain on the divestiture of our WSP joint venture, which was partially offset by expenses related to an earnout at Level 5.

Excluding these items, we generated earnings of $0.78 per share in the current quarter compared to $0.44 a share in Q2 of last year. Furthermore, in Q2, estimated inventory holding losses in the steel processing business were $0.52 per share compared to inventory holding losses of $0.81 a share in Q2 of fiscal '23.

Finally, our consumer business recorded a charge of $3 million or $0.05 per share in the quarter related to a voluntary recall on our Balloon Time Mini tank.

Consolidated net sales in the quarter of $1.1 billion decreased 7.5% from the prior year primarily due to lower average selling prices in steel processing, combined with a shift in product mix, which was partially offset by higher volumes across most of our segments. The gross profit for the quarter increased to $124 million from $106 million in the prior year, and our gross margin increased to 11.4% from 9%, primarily due to improved spreads in steel processing. Adjusted EBITDA in Q2 was $81 million, up from $64 million in Q2 of last year, and our trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA was $556 million.

With respect to cash flows on our balance sheet, cash flow from operations was $135 million in the quarter, and free cash flow was $102 million. During the quarter, we invested $33 million in capital projects, spent $21 million for an acquisition within the Steel Processing segment and paid $17 million in dividends. We also received $39 million in dividends from our unconsolidated JVs during the quarter, a 93% cash conversion rate on that equity income.

Looking at our balance sheet and liquidity position. Funded debt at quarter end of $624 million was up $175 million sequentially due to the Steel Processing segment borrowing on their credit facility at the end of the quarter. A portion of the borrowings by steel processing were used to pay $150 million dividend to Worthington Enterprises immediately before the December 1 business separation, which we in turn use to retire our $150 million 2024 notes earlier this month.

Adjusting for both of those items, Worthington Enterprises currently has approximately $300 million in debt outstanding averaging 3.6% and maturing between 2029 and 2034.

We ended Q2 with approximately $216 million in cash, which incidentally is yielding over 5%. Net interest expense of $2 million was down by $5 million, primarily due to the interest income we earned on our cash balances and to a lesser extent, lower average debt levels. We continue to operate with extremely low leverage, ending the quarter with a net debt to trailing EBITDA leverage ratio of under 0.5x and our cash balance and undrawn $500 million revolver provide ample liquidity.

Yesterday, the Worthington Enterprise's Board declared a dividend of $0.16 per share for the quarter, which is payable in March of 2024.

We'll now spend a few minutes on each of the businesses. I won't go into any details on steel processing and would point you to our earnings release from yesterday afternoon for that segment level detail and encourage you to listen to the earnings call the steel team will host on Friday morning.

In Consumer Products, net sales in Q2 were $148 million, down 4% from $154 million a year ago. The decrease was a result of lower average selling prices in our outdoor living business, and an unfavorable product mix in our tools business. Adjusted EBIT for the consumer business was $10 million and adjusted EBIT margin was 6.4% in Q2 compared to $13 million and 8.8% last year. Consumers earnings during the quarter were negatively impacted by $3 million pretax related to the voluntary recall we initiated for our Balloon Time Mini tank.

Excluding the impact of the recall, adjusted EBIT and EBIT margin for the quarter would have been in line with the prior year quarter. We did see a sequential improvement in adjusted EBIT compared to Q1, which is encouraging since volumes are typically down sequentially in our seasonally slower second quarter.

In consumer, September was a down month, but October and November saw improved sequential sales. The team and consumers weathered the headwinds they're facing quite well. And we've taken the opportunity to lean in with our channel partners that led to some recent market share gains that we expect will add to our growth in calendar 2024. We expect volumes and margins to gradually improve in our Outdoor Living business, and we expect to return to more seasonally normal patterns across our portfolio in the coming quarters. The markets we serve are robust, and we are well positioned heading into calendar 2024.

Building Products generated net sales of $123 million in Q2, down 13% from $142 million a year ago. The decrease was driven by a less favorable product mix, combined with lower average selling prices. Building Products generated adjusted EBIT of $40 million in the quarter, and adjusted EBIT margin was 32.8% compared to $41 million and 29.1% in Q2 of last year. The fact that EBIT decreased by less than $1 million, while revenues were down almost $20 million is encouraging and was a result of higher gross margins in our wholly owned businesses.

We are experiencing some destocking in our heating and cooling construction end markets particularly in the large format propane business as our customers are rightsizing inventories. The weakness there was offset in Q2 by EBIT growth in most of our other end markets driven by some of the initiatives we put in place months ago that are starting to have a positive impact.

WAVE contributed equity earnings of $21 million in the quarter, up from $19 million a year ago as their volumes increased and gross margins improved. That improvement was offset by a $2 million year-over-year decrease at ClarkDietrich, which continues to perform very well and contributed $14 million in equity earnings for the quarter. Both WAVE and ClarkDietrich are showing real resilience as they leverage opportunities related to infrastructure spending and their efforts in NPD and innovation.

In Sustainable Energy Solutions, net sales in Q2 of $28 million were down 28% or $11 million from the prior year, primarily due to lower volumes and an unfavorable product mix. SES reported an adjusted EBIT loss of $3 million in the current quarter as volumes remain too low to absorb the fixed costs in the business as compared to an adjusted EBIT of $1 million in Q2 of last year. As we've discussed in prior quarters, the economy in Europe remains challenged and growth in SES' volumes will be impacted by how quickly the emerging hydrogen and CNG ecosystems develop. Coating activity and interest in our solutions remains high, which gives us confidence in that business going forward.

As I mentioned earlier, this is a unique quarter for us, and it is the last quarter that we'll report our segments as Worthington Industries. In preparation for the separation, this fall, we introduced a reconciliation for revenues and EBITDA at Worthington Enterprises that represents our best estimates for Worthington Enterprises results on a pro forma stand-alone basis, at the separation of our Steel processing business been completed prior to the beginning of each period presented. We believe this reconciliation will help provide increased transparency and insights into our quarterly results.

Looking at Enterprises results for Q2 of 2024 in that same way, pro forma adjusted EBITDA would have been $51.3 million versus $57.7 million a year ago. The trailing 12 months ended November 30, enterprises' pro forma adjusted EBITDA would have been $280 million, a slight decline from the $287 million in trailing 12 months pro forma adjusted EBITDA as of August 31. And our pro forma adjusted EBITDA margin was unchanged at 21%. The above figures do include a $3 million charge related to the recall that I mentioned earlier.

CapEx for Worthington Enterprises in the quarter was $12 million in the business segments, $3 million of which was related to the onetime CapEx that we've discussed previously, we'll be spending to modernize 2 of our facilities. Worthington Industries also had approximately $4 million in onetime CapEx related to IT and other systems that enable the separation of our Steel Processing business. At this point, I will turn it back over to Andy.

[B. Rose, executive]

Thanks, Joe. Now that the separation is complete at Worthington Enterprises, we are laser-focused on maximizing the long-term growth potential of our consumer products, building products and sustainable energy businesses. We have more focused strategic priorities as a designer and manufacturer of market-leading products and brands that enable people to live safer, healthier and more expressive lives. We are a growth company with transformation, acquisitions and innovation as our strategic enablers. We believe in innovation in everything we do. We expect to launch more new and enhanced products every year to better serve our customers.

We are a disciplined acquirer of market-leading niche businesses that will bolster our consumer and building products brands. We transform our operations and use technology both in our operations and increasingly in the products we deliver to our customers. We believe in a balanced approach to profitably improving our ESG performance to benefit all stakeholders, and we are enabling a lower carbon economy with our products and services. As evidence, we recently released our fourth annual sustainability report. And in conjunction, we're awarded Newsweek America's most responsible companies and greatest Workplaces for Diversity for 2024.

And finally, we are good stewards of capital, investing thoughtfully to deliver higher margins, more free cash flow and higher returns. We are proud of our history and who we are today, but we know we will be defined in the future by our ability to leverage these capabilities to reward our employees, our customers, our suppliers and our shareholders. Thanks for your time today. We'll now take any questions related to the separation or Worthington Enterprises.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Phil Gibbs of KeyBanc Capital Markets.

[Philip Gibbs, analyst]

Congratulations. We're here.

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

Thank you. Lots to be proud of, lots to look forward to. And as Andy said, lots of people in the building that we're in and all over our company deserve all the credit.

[Philip Gibbs, analyst]

Awesome. Congratulations. The construction markets last quarter, you had bifurcated between aftermarket and retrofit with WAVE hanging in there being solid and ClarkDietrich tapering off. Any update on that thought, any further weakness in ClarkDietrich's backlog per se versus WAVE's? Any color you can provide there?

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

Well, just sticking with Q2. WAVE was up a couple of million dollars. ClarkDietrich was down a couple of million dollars. Bear in mind, both of those companies are doing really well. WAVE is 65%, 70% repair and remodel. ClarkDietrich is a little bit more focused on new. But if you look at the -- there are lots of different kind of construction market, trackers and analysts that are out there, some of them that we've looked at said that in November, commercial was still down a bit, but most of the other end markets and both of these companies play in a variety of different end markets were actually up year-over-year.

So not at all a market prognosticator, but with interest rates possibly being at a peak, and people getting a bit more optimistic about what '24 might look like relative to the fears that were out there in 6 months ago, we're pretty optimistic.

[Philip Gibbs, analyst]

And I'm not asking a direct question on Worthington Steel, but how is the relationship between the company is going to be moving forward just in terms of steel procurement. I know that was obviously something that was important to you all with the cylinders portfolio and some of the other businesses?

[B. Rose, executive]

Yes. We have a long-term purchasing agreement with Worthington Steel. So we will be 1 of their larger customers, Phil. And we -- obviously, they have to make money on the steel that we buy, but we've been able to preserve a lot of the benefit that we get from having them -- having a close customer supplier relationship with them.

[Philip Gibbs, analyst]

And then just lastly, I know on the kind of investor presentations from a couple of months ago, you had talked about a decent amount of growth -- the CapEx in the next couple of years for the business post separation. Can you update us on what CapEx looks like over the next year or 2 on these growth projects and really what you're targeting to accomplish with those investments?

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

Sure. So we have talked about what we call kind of our onetime facility modernization CapEx. It's 2 different facilities. It's roughly $80 million, and it's intended to modernize, automate and make those facilities kind of ready and able to continue to grow and do exceptionally well for the next 20 to 30 years.

The way that will roll out in the CapEx, our run rate CapEx for the business, excluding those 2 projects is going to be in kind of the mid-30s, roughly if we think about it as about 3% of sales. Those different -- and we -- I think we called it out this quarter about $3 million in the quarter was related to that. And so if you exclude that $3 million that gives us at enterprises roughly $9 million in the quarter. It was $8 million in Q1, so that's $17 million for the first 6 months, tracking right on that kind of mid-30s number. That $80 million, depending on supply chains and other factors, we'll kind of be underway in the next sort of several months in earnest, but it'll probably take 18 to 24 months to flush all the way through.

And what we will do is we'll keep everybody posted on the spending on those projects and then the spending on all the other parts of the business in the same way.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Moore of CJS Securities.

[Dan Moore, analyst]

Congrats again. A lot of color, though. Yes, absolutely. You gave a lot of color on the segments, but maybe we can drill down a little bit consumer to start revenue in Q1 was down 20%, but only down 4% this quarter and flat sequentially. So maybe just talk about to what extent that business is impacted by inventory destocking. Is that now largely behind us? And where your expectations sounds like you expect to get back to growth with some share gains. Is that the case for the next 2 quarters or maybe take a little bit longer to inflect positively?

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

Yes. I think it's definitely -- that's calendar 2024 business for us, Dan. But you're right, and I know that we were not kind of unique, right, with outdoor living focused and consumer-focused brands and companies had some real headwinds over the summer. We've talked about that, right, with the consumer being a bit more careful, spending more time and money on experiences versus things and outdoor activities, but then also the summer weather didn't help matters.

We did absolutely see that kind of moderate. We talked about September. September really, we think, was the trough for that leg of the real pronounced headwinds. So October and November got better for us. We're not totally through the woods, right? The consumer is not back to spending the way that they were in 2021 and 2022, but we do expect to see more seasonally normal trends. And for us in Q3 and into Q4, that typically means sequential growth. So we're looking forward to that.

And as we said, the team did a nice job of kind of being there and being real thought partners with their customers. And so that led to some incremental share gains and some placement wins, which we think will be helpful as well.

[Dan Moore, analyst]

That's helpful, certainly. And then switching gears to Building Products. Revenue for -- still remains pressured with -- obviously, excluding the JVs because we don't count that revenue. But -- and then excluding JV's profitability, it was a little bit softer. So maybe your outlook there, we talked about ClarkDietrich and WAVE, but kind of the core fully consolidated building products. Just talk about your visibility that you have in that business over the next couple of quarters? And when do you expect to maybe get back to sort of positive year-over-year growth?

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

Sure. So that business, and we talked about this, there was the large format propane tanks, which is things that would sit outside buildings or be used for construction projects or be used to heat homes. That -- when we talk about mix, right, that -- those are more expensive products, which is why we talk about a negative mix and the revenue side of things. I saw some destocking there. It started in Q1. It continued in Q2. We expect that will moderate a bit, and we should be -- we think we'll be through that by the end of Q4. We'll certainly see some of it in Q3, but it ought to get to where it has historically been, we think, by the time we get into the summer months. And so feel good about that business, just need to get through some of the inventory rightsizing that our customers are going through.

The upside in building products really was being down less than $1 million all in, some really good work on expense management side in addition to the gross margin side, the other end markets that were in there really picked up a lot of the slack and we expect and certainly hope that, that type of activity will continue, which gives us cause for optimism as we head into 2024.

[Dan Moore, analyst]

Very helpful. Maybe just 1 more, and I'll jump back out, and it's more of a longer-term sort of question on ClarkDietrich specifically. Obviously, as we talked about the last 2 years of that business exceptionally strong relative to kind of historic levels of profitability, and started to normalize a little bit. But just talk about what's changed in that business over the past few years that gives you confidence that the contribution will remain well above the sort of pre-pandemic levels?

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

Sure. Clearly, that business has changed in terms of its equity income contribution for us. They've done a terrific job of understanding who their customers are, understanding what their customers really value. And that's being full service. It's being thoughtful about the entire kind of ecosystem that their customers participate in, not just delivering a load of steel, but helping think about how those connectors and how the other accessories that they sell are important, how they can save contractors' time. And so yes, we do -- and we've talked about this, right? We don't expect that those results will stay forever or grow forever from where they were in 2022. They moderated some in 2023. We've talked about the moderating some in 2024.

But long-term, we're very bullish on that business. They've got a great management team. We're very happy to be a part of that JV.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of John Tumazos, John Tumazos Very Independent Research.

[John Tumazos, analyst]

Congratulations on the $90 combined value of the 2 companies with Enterprises trading at more than the old Worthington before you announced it. Well done.

[B. Rose, executive]

Thank you, John.

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

Thanks, John.

[John Tumazos, analyst]

I have a question on the quarterly dividend set at $0.16 or half of the old company dividend. I thought that was very low. I was in the context of the balance sheet allocation between the 2 companies, where there's almost no net debt in Enterprises, and you explained how there isn't really much capital spending relative to your cash flow, where the other company has the preponderance of the net debt and the imminent capital need to fund working capital because steel prices just rose. So in context, why isn't the dividend payment larger since the balance sheet is so good? And could you -- some people might be concerned, Andy, that you're not confident in earnings, that's not really my worry. My worry if you could address is that the balance sheet is super strong and the dividend is low to save up $0.5 billion or more of firepower for a transformational acquisition or an above-average pot for future acquisitions since you don't have reinvestment [ needs ]?

[B. Rose, executive]

I think there's a question in there somewhere, John, but I'm going to take an attempt here.

[John Tumazos, analyst]

I'll love to cover [indiscernible] are you going to make a corporate [indiscernible] change acquisition? Are you going to transform the company, and that's why the dividend is so low and the balance sheet is so good?

[B. Rose, executive]

Well, let me start by saying the past year or so, 1.5 years, has been about working towards the separation. And you've seen us very purposefully delever the business. We were very focused on maintaining our investment grade credit rating. And you're correct in that we certainly could pay a larger dividend. I would tell you that historically, we've kind of revisited our dividend payout ratio in the June timeframe around that Board meeting. And so we go through strategic planning in the spring, we do our operating plans and kind of look at cash flow forecasts and those types of things, and that's where we make those decisions.

I will tell you, we do believe that M&A is going to be an important part of our growth strategy. I don't expect that anytime soon, we're going to do some transformational acquisition that's going to double the size of the business. That's not historically what we've done. We've very much pursued kind of smaller tuck-in acquisitions that we can get our arms around pretty easily and plug them into our Worthington Business System, which includes transformation, innovation, and I think that's likely to be the strategy going forward. We look at a lot of different types of companies. We look at a lot of different sizes of companies, but we've had a lot more success buying smaller tuck-ins and really accelerating their growth.

So that's kind of the plan right now. And so I do think as the company continues to grow, we have very high free cash flow for the business, so we can support higher dividends or potentially share buybacks. But right now, our focus is let's get the company separated, that's complete, let the dust settle and let's refocus and then kind of figure out what makes the most sense in terms of capital allocation.

[John Tumazos, analyst]

If I could follow up. With the very successful separation in the stock price of Enterprise is more than the old stock price of the old Worthington, which may be in hindsight was really discounted because of the steel volatility contained. Should we expect that buybacks are going to be less of a use of capital going forward stock price is so successful?

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

John, it's Joe. As Andy said, we'll ultimately determine the best capital allocation strategies for the business going forward. We've been balanced before. We've [indiscernible] been opportunistic when it comes to buybacks. But -- it's still -- it will be an arrow in our quiver. And ultimately, the Board and the management team will decide how best to deploy that.

[Operator]

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over back to Andy Rose for some closing remarks.

[B. Rose, executive]

Well, thank you, everyone, for joining us today. It's an exciting time for us and I appreciate everybody's interest in Worthington Enterprises. We wish everybody a terrific holiday season, a safe and happy new year, and we'll look forward to speaking to you in 2024.

[Joseph Hayek, executive]

Thanks, everybody.

[Operator]

That concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.