Veris Residential Inc

NYSE:VRE

Earnings Call Analysis

Positive Performance in Residential Sector

The company reported a robust quarter, highlighting its strength with high-quality properties expected to attract substantial bids. They are poised for considered refinancing of maturing loans, with a strong liquidity position from asset sales, operational cash flow, and potential additional asset sales. The business is cash flow positive, indicating a secure and strategic position to manage debt. The transition to optimization phase may influence the clean G&A run rate, although already the lowest in a decade. Furthermore, ESG efforts continue with a focus on returns, evaluating capital investment based on direct or intangible benefits associated with energy savings or brand differentiation.

Bolstering Performance Despite Sector Challenges

The story of this quarter for the company features continuous improvement and shrewd strategic decisions. They've successfully built upon the positive momentum from the first half, with a striking 17.1% same-store NOI growth, even as the multifamily sector faces softening rents. This level of same-store net rental growth, which stood at 9.3%, outpaces the broader market significantly, with national rents growing by just 1%, and New Jersey by 5%. Such resilience is attributed to their high-quality Class A portfolio, which benefits from a dampened new supply in the Jersey City Waterfront market.

Enhancing Liquidity Through Asset Liquidity

The company demonstrated fiscal diligence by divesting $122 million in nonstrategic assets, which, in conjunction with the cash flow from operations and debt refinancing, enabled them to clear debts on their term loan and revolving credit facility. This not only solidified their financial position but also resulted in substantial interest savings. With a total of over $0.5 billion in closed transactions this year, the company positions themselves strategically with additional liquidity and a stronger balance sheet to face future challenges.

Navigating the Debt Terrain

A net loss of $0.60 per fully diluted share was recorded for the quarter, an improvement from last year's $1.10 loss per share. This loss includes significant one-time costs related to partnership buyouts. However, the company's proactive approach to refinancing, like the recent Haus25 deal which cut interest costs significantly, reflects their commitment to managing debt prudently. By refinancing imminent maturities proactively, they've lengthened the average maturity of their debt portfolio and assert they'll use operational cash flows and proceeds from asset sales to judiciously manage and reduce leverage.

Optimistic Adjustments to NOI Guidance

Their robust performance allows the company to raise their same-store NOI guidance from the 10%-12% range to 14%-15%, a testament to their operational efficiency and revenue growth amidst a period where many peers are experiencing cooling rents. While controllable expenses increased due to peak leasing season costs, year-over-year, the company has managed to keep these expenses relatively stable.

The Income Affordability Factor

Discussing affordability, the company is in good health, with income growth sustaining at around 15% in terms of rent to net disposable income. This is despite the high rent growth period tapering off and entering a tougher multifamily sector season.

Future Transparency to Watch

Importantly, the company promises to update investors on future steps for optimization, aiming to drive top-line growth and manage expenses. This narrative is one of continuous improvement and visionary planning, hinting at strategic moves that investors should keenly anticipate.

Adapting to a Streamlined Future

The transformation into a pure-play multifamily platform is nearly complete, and the company has begun the optimization phase, focusing on efficient capital allocation and operational improvements. Though still in transition, G&A expenses have reached their lowest nominal level in a decade, and relative to peers, the company is now at the median. There remains considerable future potential in reallocating capital from non-core assets and underutilized investments into more accretive initiatives.

Decisions Driven by Returns on Investment

Each endeavor the company undertakes is assessed through the lens of return on invested capital—be it in seeking alternatives to traditional systems or enhancing their brand and retention rates. It's a disciplined and strategic approach to capital expenditure, ensuring every dollar spent yields a justifiable return.

Earnings Call Transcript 2023-Q3

[Operator]

Greetings, and welcome to Veris Residential Inc. Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Taryn Fielder, General Counsel. Thank you, Ms. Fielder, you may begin.

[Taryn Fielder, executive]

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Veris Residential's Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. .

I would like to remind everyone that certain information discussed on this call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities law. Although we believe the estimates reflected in these statements are based on reasonable assumptions, we cannot give assurance that the anticipated results will be achieved.

We refer you to the company's press release and annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC for risk factors that impact the company. With that, I would like to hand the call over to Mahbod Nia, Veris Residential's Chief Executive Officer, who is joined by Amanda Lombard, Chief Financial Officer. Mahbod.

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Thank you, Taryn, and good morning, everyone. .

In the third quarter, we continued to build upon the strong results we delivered during the first half of the year. Since redeeming Rockpoint's preferred interest in July, we've closed on the sales of four nonstrategic assets. Releasing $122 million of net proceeds, which were used to repay the balance of the term loan and revolving credit facility and refinanced approximately $350 million of debt proactively addressing near-term debt maturities and enhancing our overall debt maturity profile.

Operationally, we continued to outperform during the third quarter, achieving a blended same-store net rental growth rate of 9.3% and and same-store NOI growth of 17.1% despite widespread softening of rents across the multifamily sector.

The $122 million of nonstrategic assets closed since the end of the second quarter, but the total value of transactions closed this year at over $0.5 billion. Specifically, the most recent transactions completed include two further office buildings. Harborside 6 and 23 Main Street and two land plots, Harborside 4 and 3 campus.

The net proceeds realized from these sales, combined with the excess cash flow from our now positive cash flow and operations and equity release from the refinancing of Haus25 5 enabled us to fully repay the balance of our term loan and revolving credit facility in just 3 months, resulting in a substantial interest expense savings in the process.

107 Morgan and 2 campus remain on the binding contract and are anticipated to provide the company with additional liquidity upon closing. Turning to operations. During the quarter, same-store occupancy and our retention rates remained stable at 95.5% and 55%, respectively.

The blended same-store net rental growth rate remained strong at 9.3% despite the end of the third quarter, typically marking the start of a slower leasing season across the multifamily sector and rent increases being based on high-growth periods from 2022.

While we anticipate further cooling of rents consistent with peers, we believe our highly mini-sized Class A portfolio continues to be well positioned for the less active winter leasing season. Our continued outperformance relative to the broader market, which saw rents rise by only 1% nationally year-over-year and by 5% in New Jersey, reflects a resilient demand for our high-quality Class A portfolio and the strength of our operational platform and capturing that demand, approximately 30% of which was comprised of moving from New York City. Furthermore, New supply in the Jersey City Waterfront market continues to be muted with very few new deliveries expected in the next 18 to 24 months.

The sustained revenue growth we achieved during the quarter, coupled with our continued focus on expense management, contributed to a 17.1% growth in same-store NOI compared to the third quarter of 2022, representing an additional $17.9 million of NOI generated in the 9 months ended September 30, excluding the significant contribution from Haus25. This continued outperformance is reflected in our decision to once again raise NOI guidance to 14% to 15%. Amanda will discuss this in further detail.

As one of our industry leaders in the SEG, we were proud to be named global listed and regional sector leaders by the 2023 Global Real Estate Sustainability Benchmark, or GRAS earlier this month. Despite 2023 being only the second year in which we participated in the benchmark, we once again earned a 5-star rating for our performance, a testament to our ongoing commitment to sustainable operations, diversity and the advancement of ESG actions supporting the well-being of our residents, employees, suppliers and communities. With that, I'm going to hand it over to Amanda, who will provide an update on our financial performance during the quarter.

[Amanda Lombard, executive]

Thanks, Mahbod. For the third quarter of 2023, net loss available to common shareholders was $0.60 per fully diluted share versus a net loss of $1.10 per fully diluted share in the third quarter of last year. The third quarter of 2023 includes interest costs of mandatorily redeemable noncontrolling interest of $35 million or approximately $0.35 per share related to the buyout of Rockpoint as we detailed last quarter. Core FFO per share was $0.12 for the third quarter as compared to $0.16 last quarter.

The second quarter was positively impacted by two nonrecurring items: $0.02 from the settlement of two real estate tax appeals and $0.03 from the early tax credit, which we typically receive in the second quarter. AFFO per share was $0.15 as compared to $0.18 last quarter for the same reason.

Same-store NOI was up over 17% compared to the same quarter last year. Reflecting 10.5% revenue growth and our continued efforts to mitigate property level expense inflation. Controllable expenses were up 6.4% quarter-over-quarter due to higher costs related to the peak leasing season. However, year-over-year controllable expenses ticked up only slightly from 2.6% to 3.9%.

Our noncontrollable expenses continue to be variable period to period. This quarter, we renewed our property insurance and while our insurance premiums increased by approximately 30% from the prior year, a reduction in our self-insurance based upon our annual review of that program offset the increase. In addition, real estate taxes as compared to the prior quarter are up significantly as a result of the $2.7 million favorable adjustment in Q2 related to the resolution of tax appeal which was slightly offset this quarter by an increase of $0.5 million related to the finalization of Jersey City 2023 taxes.

Next quarter, we expect that noncontrollable expenses will be approximately $0.005 higher than this quarter on a run rate basis. In regards to our general and administrative costs, after adjustments, for noncash stock compensation, along with severance payments. G&A was down to $8.7 million for the quarter.

The fourth quarter may be slightly higher than the third quarter due to various costs that occur regularly in that quarter. However, overall, we remain on track to record the lowest level of G&A in nominal terms in over a decade and the lowest when adjusted for inflation since the '90s.

On to our balance sheet. During the quarter, we entered into a transitional term loan and credit facility to complete the negotiated redemption of rough points preferred interest in Veris Residential Trust. The balance of these facilities was repaid in just 3 months using net proceeds from $122 million of recently closed nonstrategic asset sales. Excess proceeds from the refinancing of Haus25 and surplus cash flow from our now cash-generative operations.

We proactively refinanced Haus25, fourth quarter 2024 maturity at an interest rate of 5.46%, reducing the cost on this loan by 124 basis points. As a result of this, we were able to increase the weighted average maturity of our total debt portfolio from 3.6 to 4 years while improving our maturity ladder with no more than 23% of our debt portfolio due in any given year. An average of 15% maturing per annum over the next 5 years. As of October 24, effectively all of our debt is fixed and are hedged with the latest refinancings, which constituted 14% of our overall debt stack increasing our weighted average interest rate marginally from 4.4% to 4.5%.

While our net debt to EBITDA will remain sensitive to earnings and prone to fluctuation, it has gradually trended down to 12.4x pro forma for the recent repayment of the transitional loans as we have prioritized that repayment, having reduced net debt by approximately $1 billion in addition to the redemption of Rockpoint's $520 million preferred interest since the end of 2020.

Looking ahead at our upcoming consolidated maturities. Veris has $308 million of mortgages we expect to be refinanced as we move into 2024. While the commercial real estate markets are constrained, there remains demand to lend for high-quality multifamily assets like ours as evidenced by the recent financing.

Accordingly, we anticipate utilizing cash flow from operations and proceeds from continued nonstrategic asset sales to reduce our leverage on these loans as we refinance them, to the extent required or is otherwise determined by the Board of Management.

Turning to our outlook. As Mahbod mentioned, our portfolio's performance has provided us with the flexibility to raise our same-store NOI guidance range to 14% to 15% from 10% to 12%. This is largely driven by higher-than-expected market rent growth, which we expect to be in the range of 9% to 10% and better-than-expected outcomes on insurance and real estate tax renewals.

We project expenses will end the year in the range of 2% to 3%. This concludes another strong quarter for Veris Residential, during which we continue to demonstrate multifamily outperformance and advance the completion of nonstrategic asset sales while further strengthening our balance sheet. With that, we are ready to open the line for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Eric Wolfe from Citi Research.

[Unknown Analyst]

It's actually Nick Joseph here with Eric. Maybe just starting on the operating portfolio. you touch on where you are seeing new lease rate growth today in October? And then where renewals kind of are trending for October and then spent out for November and December.

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Nick, thank you for the question. So we said last quarter that we expected rents to moderate now. I mean we've had very strong rental growth, double-digit rental growth. That's not sustainable on prematurity. We indicated that we'd be in the mid- to high single-digit range going forward. You've seen us come in at the high end of that. I do think we'll -- that will further moderate to somewhere in the mid-single digits, which is much more, let's say, indicative of longer-term growth rates.

[Unknown Analyst]

Is there anything you're seeing in terms of rent to income or any other affordability metrics that are impacting that? Or is it just more normal seasonality in just such -- coming off of such high rent growth?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Yes. It's actually -- it's the two latter points that you made. So it's -- from an affordability standpoint, we actually remain in very good shape. We've seen good income growth. There was obviously some commentary about that slowing down more generally, but we've seen that sustained at around 15% or even actually slightly below 15% now in terms of rent to net disposable income. It's more a function of you're now lapping periods of extremely high rent growth. And that is just not sustainable. And we've also entered now the seasonally tougher period when it comes to the multifamily sector on the whole.

[Unknown Analyst]

Great. And then just on the insurance renewal, can you quantify the reduction in the self-insurance?

[Amanda Lombard, executive]

Sure. This is Amanda. I think as I said earlier, it's about $0.005 that you'll see our noncontrollable expenses go up next quarter. So I think that's what you can expect.

[Operator]

Next question comes from the line of Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI.

[Steve Sakwa, analyst]

Ma, now that you've, I guess, essentially completed kind of the cleanup of all the noncore assets, Rockpoint, you're really down to just one office property I guess, how are you sort of looking at the organization as you think about moving forward, as a stand-alone enterprise realizing that a monetization event is kind of out of your control, but how are you thinking about the organization the people in place? And what else do you need to do to make this a best-in-class apartment company?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Steve, thank you. That's a great question and something that we've been giving a lot of thought to ourselves as well. The last 3 years, I would describe as the transformation phase where we've sold over $2 billion of nonstrategic assets [indiscernible] office and really try to get ahead of that exiting an asset class that is not strategic to us and pivoting to an asset class, whereby we continue to believe in the long-term fundamentals and is very much core to our business. .

There's a little bit more to do as you highlighted in Harborside 5, and that's not insignificant, given it's an unlevered office building and has substantial equity trapped in it. But the transformation phase is effectively over. What I would describe this next phase as is the optimization phase. And there, we do have a number of levers available to us in a number of initiatives to allow us to now be able to really optimize what we have in this pure-play multifamily platform and organically seek to continue enhancing its value.

A number of different prongs to that, and we're evaluating those at this time, working with the Board, some of it will involve some further simplification that could touch on corporate structure, capital structure and other areas. A large part of it is capital allocation. If you think about the capital within the business today, there is still significant amounts of equity that is either idle or generating a suboptimal return for us.

And so reallocating that capital to a higher and more accretive use really has the potential to continue driving the top line and hence flow down to the bottom line for us. going forward, given the size of the business. There are other areas potentially we're looking at a couple of.

On the whole, we have a very young portfolio, as you know, but there are one or two areas where we think there could be potential value-add opportunities and continued operational efficiencies, all of which together really do have the potential to continue driving or enhancing value of the platform in this next optimization phase.

[Steve Sakwa, analyst]

But I guess as just maybe a quick follow-up. Do you feel like you have kind of the right people in place to sort of make all these changes in steps? Or do you feel like you still need to add to the organization?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

No, absolutely not. We've got a lean but very effective team, as you've seen. To date, we've got a long way towards rebuilding the operational side of things as well. So no, I'm very comfortable with the team that we've got that we can execute on this next optimization phase.

[Steve Sakwa, analyst]

Okay. And then there's been some articles about kind of rent control coming up in Jersey City and maybe some of the surrounding communities. Can you maybe just sort of speak to -- I know it's a very complicated and long-winded answer longer than this conference call, but just maybe high level, how are you sort of thinking about the rent control within kind of the market in your portfolio? And are there things that you need to do to make sure that you follow kind of all the rules and regulations? Or is there any risk about rent control being imposed on any part of the portfolio?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Sure. Look, we believe that we've taken all the necessary and appropriate steps to preserve the available exemptions from rent control ordinances, which may be applicable to the properties in our portfolio. Were -- let's say, in a fortunate position that we have a younger vintage portfolio that helps in that respect and that we've developed most of those assets. And so feel comfortable with the position we're in.

[Operator]

Next question comes from the line of Anthony Paolone with JPMorgan.

[Anthony Paolone, analyst]

I guess first question is around noncore. Beyond Harborside 5, it does sound like you still have some things that you might consider getting rid of. Can you maybe just talk a bit more about what those might be and where there might even be liquidity that's acceptable to pursue other sales right now in the market?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Yes, Harborside 5 is the obvious nonstrategic one. The question really beyond that is do we seek to potentially further rationalize the land bank which, to the extent not developed. Really is just idle equity again in the business that isn't really generating a return. So that's really what I was primarily referencing with that comment. But there are further potential pockets of capital as well. If you look at the joint ventures, the remaining joint ventures where we may seek to reallocate some of that capital over time. To put it to a higher and better use and a more accretive use.

[Anthony Paolone, analyst]

Okay. And then on the core, you can appreciate just the strength in the rent growth in your market. And what you've done operationally. I mean the numbers are just outsized. Like can you maybe just give us a sense as you look back over the last few quarters, how much of that's really just been the market versus just efforts you've made to hunker down either and change how you price or be more aggressive there or just on the operations side? And just trying to understand maybe how much more runway might exist there if that was a big part of this.

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

It's a great question. Look, if you look at the New Jersey overall rental growth during this period, it was around 5%. We've come I do think that the quality of the assets is second to none. And I do believe we've we have gone a long way towards rebuilding the operational platform with new people, new processes, new technology, and that's an ongoing effort. So it's difficult to say how much of that is property, how much of it is people, how much of it is market. But the combination on the whole is what's delivering the results that you're seeing, and we do feel there's still some room to go now on the operational side to make improving. It's an ever-evolving initiative. And so -- we're fortunate we have great assets in great markets with supply-demand dynamics that put us in a very favorable position for the foreseeable future. And we have a team that is highly focused and capable and extracting the value from those assets.

[Anthony Paolone, analyst]

Okay. And just one follow-up. I think maybe it is perhaps mixed in with Nick's question earlier, but where are you sending renewal notices out today?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

I think you should assume for the next couple of months will land up in the mid-single digit, maybe a touch above that level.

[Operator]

Next question comes from the line of Joshua Dennerlein with Bank of America. .

[Joshua Dennerlein, analyst]

Just wanted to follow up on that operating platform initiatives that you mentioned. I guess what's the main focus that you want to improve over the next 12 months? And maybe what kind of benefit might we see from our perspective?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Well, you've seen already some of the benefits come through and the way we go about revenue management and the way we go about expense management. So you've seen that in how we price things and driving the top line. But you've also seen an improvement in our margins year-over-year. And that was really what I was alluding to is that there is -- I do believe there's still some further room to go, and we will update in due course what some of those steps are that we've taken or plan to take, but they're really centered around continuing to drive the top line optimize and seek to mitigate the expense side of things, doing things differently, more efficiently and utilizing technology where warranted to help us in achieving our goals there.

[Joshua Dennerlein, analyst]

Okay. And then I see there's some debt coming due in 2024. I guess just what's the plan with that refi or just pay down? Or just how are you thinking about it? And maybe if it's a refi, what kind of rate you [ please ] see?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Well, you've seen with the two refinancings that we just announced that despite the real estate commercial real estate debt markets being challenging at the moment. There is still liquidity available and there's appetite to lend on high-quality assets such as ours. And so the two assets you're referring to for next year, those are high-quality, very well-performing properties that we also anticipate getting attractive bids on. And so consistent with our approach this past quarter, you should assume that we'll be proactive and at the appropriate time look at options available to us to refinance those.

To the extent that we choose to or required to somewhat pay down those loans. We're also in a position of strength now in having liquidity available to us today, liquidity that we anticipate coming through the closing of remaining nonstrategic assets that are under contract and potentially further assets beyond that. And the business itself is now cash flow generative. And so that gives us another source as well to the extent we choose to or required to do something of a pay down on those.

[Operator]

Next question comes from the line of Tom Catherwood with BTIG.

[William Catherwood, analyst]

Thanks, and good morning, everybody. Maybe starting with Amanda, you had mentioned using the remaining or at least some of the remaining proceeds the asset sales that are still under contract as you go to refinance the $300-plus million that are maturing. When you finish those, roughly $71 million of sales that will put you roughly at $90 million of cash. Do you have all of that earmarked for debt reductions? Or do you think you'll have some remaining for other sources and uses?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Tom, I'll take that. If that's okay, and then Amanda can chime in. So today, from a liquidity standpoint, we also have the line. So there's about $90 million of liquidity, $71 million of assets under binding contract today. I said, there's also cash flow coming off of the operations, surplus cash flow coming off of the operations that's adding to that and potentially further nonstrategic assets that could be sold between now and next year that could further add to that.

So there are plenty of sources available in the part. And I think over these coming months, we'll be working with the Board to determine the highest and best use for that capital. rates being where they are today, one would rightly assume that debt repayment will be a very accretive and appropriate use of any capital that's freed up, but that's something that we'll work with the Board to ultimately determine and it could be a combination of things could be -- could go towards that repayment.

[William Catherwood, analyst]

Got it. And then, Mahbod, you mentioned moving from in the response to Steve's question moving from this transformation period to this optimization period. When we think of the rebranding and severance costs that you've -- that kind of cycle that you've gone through during the transformation period, now that you're in that optimization phase. Do you think we're closer to that clean G&A run rate? Or is there still some -- your remaining rebranding expense that you think is going to run through that line over the coming year?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

It's going to take a little while to settle and not necessarily in relation to the rebranding, but more generally, just to give you an example, so the repayment of Rockpoint we've talked about how that will result in anticipated cost savings related to obligations we had with regard to that partnership that will cease to exist going to next year.

Some of those things, it just takes time to work through and actually probably won't really come through into the numbers until back end of next year or second half of next year. And then between now and then we also have factors outside of our control such as inflation, which seems to be moderating at this point. but it still has an impact. So it's difficult to give you guidance on a run rate G&A. But what I would say is it has come down a lot. We've now brought it down to the lowest level in a decade and actually in real terms since the '90s, if you look at us, which is the only appropriate way to look at us, given scale is the most significant factor in looking at the various metrics when assessing G&A, if you look at us relative to the mid-cap peers as a percentage of gross asset value, which is really the asset base that we have to manage we're right at the median there.

And so I think, gone a long way, potentially have some more to go, but also combating inflation and factors that are outside of our control, very difficult to give you a run rate at this stage. And the other thing is just the business is not as we go through this optimization phase, there will be pushes and pulls there as well. The reality is that we just haven't reached a mature stage as a purely multifamily company where you could say, right, that is mature cost structure, capital allocation side of it has been addressed. So the revenue side of it is predominantly going to be driven by rents and rates. There are still things even on the capital allocation side, if you just only think about the land, which is just over $200 million and Harborside 5 and several hundred million dollars, as I mentioned in joint ventures that isn't all necessarily generating an appropriate return for us. But even between Harborside 5 and the land that's $300 million that really isn't generating a return. And for a company of our size, that's meaningful, having that much idle capital.

And so I think the primary driver is going to be capital allocation, but other things we can do as well on the expense side before it reaches a mature state as a business and until then it's difficult to give that kind of guidance.

[William Catherwood, analyst]

Understood. I appreciate that. And then last one for me. You've obviously been at the forefront when it comes to ESG and integrating that into the company and platform. What's next on the sustainability front. You obviously have a modern portfolio. But do you have any near-term CapEx plans when it comes to either reducing energy consumption or carbon emissions or anything else along that front? .

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Yes. Everything I would say to date, the approach remains the same, and it's an ever-evolving initiative. And so everything we've done and everything we continue to do we evaluate based on a number of different factors, but ultimately, it comes down to return on invested capital. And so either there's a direct return on invested capital, whereby we know, for example, seeking an alternative to traditional heating systems. It may be that there's a that we have energy savings that result in a payoff of 5 years or whatever it may be, and we'll evaluate whether it makes sense to look at alternatives based on that return on invested capital and payoff periods. Or, to a lesser degree, it would have an intangible but real benefit to the business when it comes to brand or retention rates and really differentiates us from the peers.

So the approach is actually largely similar to any other CapEx that we spend. every dollar of CapEx that we spend, the team presents based on a return on invested capital approach and we evaluate whether that's a sufficient return on that capital or not and we make decisions accordingly.

[Operator]

Next question comes from the line of Robin Lu with Green Street. .

[Unknown Analyst]

I just want to get back on the question on rent control. Are you assessing local municipalities are cranking down on landlords and their adherence to rent control rules. Are you hearing the policymakers up maybe perhaps looking at timing rules further?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

On. Difficult for me to comment on that. The only thing I can state is what I mentioned earlier, which is that we believe we've taken the necessary steps necessary and appropriate steps to preserve the available exemptions from rent control ordinances across our portfolio. And so it's a very -- that's a very property-specific and jurisdiction-specific thing, townships within New Jersey. So I can only comment on what we've done across our portfolio. I don't really know it's hard for me to comment on where that goes more broadly.

[Unknown Analyst]

Okay. And then do you mind providing color on the preferred interest redemption in October. What drove the LP to redeem at a time when I guess operating fundamentals are still pretty healthy across your portfolio?

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Again, hard to me to comment on that, Robin. It's their decision. You'd need to ask them. They've had the ability to redeem and chose to redeem it at this time. So it's hard for me to comment what that related to. It would be some sort of, I guess, a requirement for the capital from their side, but I'm not sure.

[Operator]

This concludes today's question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mahbod Nia for closing comments.

[Mahbod Nia, executive]

Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We're pleased to report another very strong quarter for various residential and look forward to updating you again in due course.

[Operator]

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.