Ternium SA

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Earnings Call Analysis

Ternium's Q3 2024 Results Highlight Challenges and Optimism for Growth

In Q3 2024, Ternium reported an adjusted EBITDA of $368 million and a net income of $93 million. While shipments grew across its primary markets, lower realized prices led to squeezed margins. The company forecasts a decrease in shipments for Q4, followed by growth in Q1 2025 owing to factors like new production capabilities. Looking ahead, Ternium anticipates a strong automotive sector, projecting production to reach 4.2 million units in 2025. The interim dividend was set at $0.90 per ADS, yielding about 8%, maintaining a solid payout ratio despite reduced EBITDA.

Current Quarter Performance

In the third quarter of 2024, Ternium reported an adjusted EBITDA of $368 million and a net income of $93 million. This reflects a decline in margins attributed to lower realized steel prices in key markets despite increased shipments. Specifically, the company saw healthy performance in the Mexican steel market, driven by a 14% year-over-year increase in consumption last year.

Market Dynamics in Mexico

The steel market in Mexico is anticipated to experience a seasonal downturn in shipments during the fourth quarter, but bright spots are forecasted for the coming year. The new administration plans substantial infrastructure investments, which should rejuvenate demand. Notably, automotive production is projected to increase 7% year-over-year, aiming for 4.2 million units in 2025. This presents a strong case for future demand, particularly benefiting automotive and industrial sectors.

Brazil and Argentina Outlook

Brazil's industrial activity remains robust, with a 9% increase in steel consumption year-to-date. However, the market is challenged by a 20% rise in flat steel imports, largely from China. A protective tariff of 25% on imports above a set quota has been implemented, but expected results from this measure are still pending. In Argentina, steel consumption is rebounding with an expected stable performance in shipments despite seasonal decreases. Long-term expectations hinge on government reforms which might enhance local steel demand.

Financial Health and Future Investments

Ternium's net cash position has declined to $1.7 billion, influenced by a decrease in operational cash flow primarily resulting from lower EBITDA and increased capital expenditures. For 2025, Ternium expects to allocate approximately $2.3 billion towards capital expenditures, largely tied to ongoing expansion projects, particularly at the Pesqueria Industrial Center. The completion of these projects could provide operational efficiency and cost savings, fueling potential margin recovery.

Dividends and Shareholder Returns

Ternium announced an interim dividend of $0.90 per ADS, totaling $177 million, which aligns with the company’s strategy of maintaining significant annual dividend payments. This dividend represents about an 8% yield based on current share prices and a 68% payout ratio of adjusted net income. The dividend cut surprised some investors, but the Board is focused on maintaining high returns amidst higher capital expenditures.

Sustainability and Future Goals

The company is committed to sustainability, aiming for a 15% reduction in emissions intensity by 2030, using 2023 as a baseline. For the first time, the target includes Scope 3 emissions, enhancing transparency and accountability in its sustainability reporting. This commitment aligns with Ternium’s strategic direction, emphasizing both economic and environmental responsibility.

Conclusion: Optimism Ahead

Despite current challenges with pricing and market conditions, Ternium's leadership expresses optimism for strong market recovery in 2025, driven by increased automotive production, governmental infrastructure spending, and strategic investments in production capabilities. The company’s proactive maneuvering through these challenges, along with solid financial management, positions it favorably for future growth.

Earnings Call Transcript 2024-Q3

[Operator]

Thank you for standing by. My name is Kayla, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Ternium Third Quarter 2024 Results Call. [Operator Instructions]

I would now like to turn the call over to Sebastian Marti, you may begin.

[Sebastián Martí, executive]

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. My name is Sebastian Martí, Ternium's Global IR and Compliance Senior Director. Yesterday Ternium released financial results for the third quarter and first 9 months of 2024. This call is intended to complement that presentation. I'm joined today by Maximo Vedoya, Ternium's Chief Executive Officer; and Pablo Brizzio, Ternium's Chief Financial Officer, who will discuss Ternium's business environment and performance. We will open up the floor to questions following our prepared remarks.

Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking information and actual results may vary from those expressed or implied. Factors that could affect results are contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and on Page 2 in today's webcast presentation. You will also find any reference to non-IFRS financial measures reconciled to the most directly comparable IFRS measures in the press release issued yesterday.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Mr. Vedoya.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Good morning, and thank you very much for participating in today's Ternium's third quarter earnings calls. Ternium reported an adjusted EBITDA of $368 million and a net income of $93 million for the third quarter. We experienced increased shipments across all our primary markets and as anticipated in the last quarter's call, our margins declined, primarily due to the decrease in realized price in our main market.

Let's review the status of these markets. The steel market in Mexico remains healthy, operating at a consistent level after last year significant 14% year-over-year increase in steel consumption. In fact, in the third quarter of 2024, we had record high shipments in this market. For the fourth quarter, we expect a decline in shipments as a result of this period being the seasonally weak of the year. Additionally, public investment has been soft recently, which is coming in Mexico following a change of administration. Once this process is completed, we expect demand from infrastructure projects to return as the new government has announced plans to launch several projects aimed at enhancing the competitiveness of Mexican industry.

Looking ahead, our outlook has several bright spots. In the first quarter of next year, we expect sequential shipment growth in this market, in part this will be the result of our new pickling line, which is pushing our capacity for automotive and industrial markets as it ramp up production. Furthermore, I am optimistic about the Mexican market in the year to come. Automotive production increased by 7% year-over-year in the first 9 months of 2024 and is expected to reach 4.2 million units in 2025, which would be a record high. Finally, nearshoring trends are expected to persist, benefiting the steel markets on both sides of the border.

The new administration in Mexico recognized this opportunity for the country and has stated its commitment to pursuing a policy of industrialization and import substitution, very much in line with what we have been advocating for many years.

Moving to Brazil. We see healthy industrial activity and a dynamic distribution market. Steel consumption in Brazil market has been growing during the year, increasing 9% year-over-year in the first 9 months of this year. Vehicle production is growing as well with an expected 5% increase in 2024. On the other hand, flat steel import jumped 20% year-over-year in this first 9 months, mainly from China, as this country significantly increased steel shipments to the international markets. As it has already happened in other countries, the Brazilian government noticed this increase in fair trade from China and as a result, of their steel excess capacity. And put in place a 1-year vote system under which still imports above certain quarter are subject to at 25% tariff. Unfortunately, these measures hasn't yield the expected results.

Following this, several antidumping investigations have been initiated over imports of [indiscernible] steel and prepainting team, mainly from China. These measures are promising. We encourage the Brazilian government to continue this path to prevent more disindustrialization in Brazil.

Finally, let's review Argentina. Steel volumes in Argentina market has shown a recovery over the past several quarters, both within the industrial and the commercial market. In the fourth quarter, we expect to maintain a stable level of steel shipments despite the seasonal slowdown in activity towards the end of the year. With a long-term view, I think Argentina industrial and construction activity will improve in 2025, favoring a recovery in local steel demand. The Argentine government is implementing an ambition reform program that we expect will promote investments in the country. However, there is a risk in this market of an increase in imports of unfair trade and products made with steel. This will be an important issue to follow up with the Argentina authorities during next year.

Our wind farm in Argentina will begin operation by year-end, boosting our use of self-generated renewable energy and reducing reliance on external sources. The project is progressing as planned with the completion of 22 basis and installation of 14 wind turbines today. We anticipate that the first [indiscernible] will begin delivering energy in December, with the project expected to reach full completion by January. This represents a significant milestone in our commitment to renewable energy and decarbonization.

Let me now give you an update on the progress of our expansion projects. The pickling line and 3 of the 5 lines in the new finishing center in Pesqueria has started operation and are currently ramping up. These lines are at 550,000 tons per year of pickling capacity and 310,000 tons a year of customized products capacity. During the next 2 months, we plan to start up the 2 remaining lines in the finishing center. In addition, we are making steady progress on the 600,000 ton per year galvanizing line and the 1.6 million tons per year cold rolling mill. We plan to start this operation at the end of 2025 and early 2026, respectively.

We have completed the soil movement and the civil work and assembly of structure and buildings are advancing rapidly. Equipment shipments have already commenced. Lastly, for the construction of the 2.6 million tonne per year slab making facility in Pesqueria, we have completed the cleaning and soil movement in most areas. We are making progress in the civil work foundation and structural installations. Also key operational contracts have been awarded and are underway. We expect to start up this slab facility by mid-2026.

The new production lines in Pesqueria project will enable the company to enhance its product offerings with a broader range of high-quality steel products [indiscernible] to the diverse customer needs more effectively, meeting the high-quality requirements of the automotive and appliance sectors. Moreover, the new slab facility is expected to significantly increase Ternium's raw steel production capacity in Mexico, ensuring a steady supply of slabs from downstream processing. This facility will also enhance Ternium operation, efficiency and reduce the tendency on external suppliers, leading to cost savings and improved profit margins.

Finally, I would like to highlight the publications of Ternium's latest sustainability report. This report includes among other new features, an update on Ternium's decarbonization target, detailing several enhancements introduced since our initial target was set in 2021. For the first time, our target includes Scope 3 emissions, which are not directly associated with our company. This includes company One emission related to the production of semifinished products such as slabs and mills produced from third party and category 10 emissions generated by our customers during the processing of our slabs and mills.

In addition, we are expanding the boundaries of our CO2 emissions reporting beyond crude steel to include hot-rolled seal production. And we be great to GHG protocols methodology to improve comparability with other indices and prepare for future regulatory requirements. The update target is a 15% reduction in emissions intensity by 2030, using 2023 as a baseline. As in previous years, our greenhouse inventory for 2023 was audited by a third party following, as I said, both GHG protocols and World Steel Methodology.

With these changes, to our reporting, we are among the very few companies that include Scope 3 emissions in their targets. Our aim with this decision is to significantly increase transparency and accuracy in our emission report. We invite you to download the report from our website and review the extensive information on our sustainability initiatives. The detailed insights will offer a comprehensive understanding of our commitment to sustainable practices.

To wrap up my initial remarks, I would like to say I'm confident in Ternium's performance in 2025. I believe our main markets will offer several opportunities for our company with the strength of the neutral market in Mexico, the recovery of steel consumption in Brazil and the significant reforms to Argentina's economy. In addition, I expect our margin to gradually improve during the year with lower cost of raw material and slabs and our continued work in cost-cutting initiatives.

With this, please Pablo, you can now proceed with the review of standing performance of the third quarter.

[Pablo Brizzio, executive]

Thanks, Maximo, and thanks, everybody, for participating in our conference call. Let's move to the webcast presentation for a detailed overview of our operations and financial results. If we start by Page 3, we see that, as anticipated, our adjusted EBITDA declined this quarter. The main factors driving these results were lower realized steel prices across our main markets, which were partially offset by a small decline in steel cost per ton and an increase in shipments.

Looking ahead for the fourth quarter, we expect a more sequenced increase in adjusted EBITDA, driven by slightly better margins, although this will be partially offset by a seasonal decrease in shipments.

Turning to the next slide. Net income for the third quarter was $93 million. When comparing second quarter adjusted net income to the third quarter net income, we see lower deferred tax losses and improved financial results in the third quarter, partially offset by a decline in operating income. The FX gain in the quarter reflects the favorable effect of the Mexican peso depreciation and the Brazilian real appreciation against the U.S. dollar, cost in FX gain, [indiscernible] Mexico, net local currency position and Usiminas U.S. dollar-denominated debt.

Let's turn to our Steel segment performance on Page 5. This quarter, with significant increase in [indiscernible] in our key markets. Looking ahead, we anticipate a decrease in shipments in the fourth quarter due to usual year-end seasonality, both in Mexico and in Brazil. Now let's take a look at the consolidated sales and profitability of the Steel segment on the next page. Despite an increase in the steel shipment, sales held steady compared to the previous quarter due to a decline in revenue per ton, driven by a decrease in realized steel prices in our primary market, which affected our margins.

The price decline was partially offset by a small in decrease in the fuel cost per ton as we continue to use primarily both raw material and slab in the third quarter. And turning [indiscernible] operations record efficiency gains in the Steel unit, particularly in fuel consumption. In addition, labor and maintenance costs decreased sequentially in the third quarter.

Let's move on to Slide 7 to review the performance of our mining segment. In the third quarter, shipments rose by 13% sequentially, driven by higher production in our Mexican and Brazilian operations. Despite this quarter-over-quarter growth, net sales were relatively stable due to the offset of lower iron ore market prices. Our margins in the Mining segment decreased in this quarter, mainly due to this drop in iron ore prices, while a slight reduction in cost per ton helped to soften the impact of this decrease.

Let's move on to the next slide to review our cash flow performance. As of the end of September, Ternium net cash position declined to $1.7 billion, with a decrease in cash flow from operations compared to the second quarter primarily to a decrease in EBITDA and increase in working capital together with higher capital expenditure.

Moving to the final slide, we can see a summary of our performance over the past 5 years. In the first 9 months of 2024, our capital expenditures saw a significant year-over-year increase. We continue making progress, as Maximo explained, in the construction of new facilities in our Pesqueria Industrial Center as well in the new wind farm in Argentina. We expect to have a total CapEx of between $1.7 billion to $1.8 billion in 2024. To conclude this presentation, I would like to highlight that yesterday, Ternium's Board of Directors announced the payment of an interim dividend of $0.90 per ADS, totaling $177 million. Over the past 3 years, the company has structured dividend so that the interim payment in November represents roughly 1/3 of the total annual amount, with the remaining preferred [indiscernible] following shareholders' approval. We expect this time to follow the similar approach. So our total dividend payment corresponded to the fiscal year 2024 would represent a yield of about 8% based on the current share price and a 68% payout ratio based on adjusted net income for the past 12 months.

Over the past 3 years, [indiscernible] consistently decided to distribute a substantial dividend annually. The current dividend decision aligned with this established practice of providing an attractive dividend yield and allocating a significant portion of net income even during periods of increased capital expenditures. This capability is a result of Ternium's solid financial position.

With this, we have concluded our initial prepared remarks. We would like now to go and to take any questions that you may have. Operator, please begin the Q&A session. Thanks.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Marcio Farid with Goldman Sachs.

[Marcio Farid Filho, analyst]

A couple of questions on my -- yes, can you hear me?

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Yes. No, yes, I think.

[Marcio Farid Filho, analyst]

All right. Let me know if that's not good. Yes. A couple of things on my side. I think we started the call by showing still good conviction on Mexico's demand going into next year and somewhat profitability improvement as well as lower costs. Argentina seems to be performing well, and we also showed some good conviction as well. I understand, obviously, [indiscernible] prices, benchmark prices have been lower, and that's the main reason for or weaker earnings in the third quarter, right? But then the surprise was that the dividend cut. Our initial understanding is that you would sustain stable to growing dividends through the cycle, even if the cycle turn, and that's one of the reason why balance sheet leverage has been kept at low levels to allow you to execute CapEx and at the same time, keep the commitment on a flat to growing dividends, right? So it was a bit of a surprise to us. And when we hear about the constructive outlook, we're just trying to understand the reason why the Board decided to cut dividends this year. And if you can assume eventually, we will resume the $3.3 of share that we paid last year as well.

And secondly, I mean, probably, big topic today is the outcome of the U.S. election. I think it has laid out some of the important actions that the Mexican administration is taken to support our industrial activity in Mexico, to some extent, we are showing, but also in part to the situation as well. So Obviously, we see some of the headlines suggesting higher taxation and potentially [indiscernible] on Mexico as it relates to renegotiation of the U.S. CMA agreement. So if you can talk about that as well, your initial thoughts and risks and opportunities for Ternium be in the Mexico and directly and indirectly exposed up to the U.S. and North America, that would be great.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Thank you very much, Marcio. I will start with the second part of your question, and then we go to the dividend, if you allow me. The outcome of the U.S. election and you were very clear. I mean I see this as an opportunity, to be honest. I think, first of all, we are out of the uncertainty. We have 2 new administrations, 1 in Mexico, there already is a month in the job, and now we will have now one in the U.S. So I think that's something good because now people can start talking and can start working together.

I think from the Mexican point of view, the new administration, President [indiscernible], I think she understands and share very much the concern than the U.S. and the Trump administration, especially with China and fair trade. She has been very clear and very vocal about this. As you know, you probably know, several weeks ago, we participate in the U.S.-Mexico CEO dialogue, which is a dialogue that's been going on for quite a few years between CEOs of Mexico and the U.S. And this was with the new administration in Mexico. I think there was a big consensus of all the participants that the opportunity to strengthen the North American region and to say what against violation of trade, especially by Asia.

And in that meeting, also, people were very positive about the good outcome of the new USMCA. I mean, the USMCA which was negotiated in 2018, bringing a lot of benefits, both from Mexico, but also from the U.S., which increased export to Mexico by more than 30% in that period of time. The other thing that the President of Mexico show up -- said in that meeting was, she was very firm about the vision she had of, again, strongly in North America, and reducing -- I'm using her words, the trade deficit that Mexico has with Asia, about $200 billion. So I think the alignments are quite similar. I think that it's positive. The discussion has to start. There's going to be a revision of the USMCA, which again, I think is very good, the USMCA. But clearly, it has room to improve. So I'm positive about the outcome of these elections. I hope I answered the question or that part of the question, Marcio.

[Marcio Farid Filho, analyst]

That was great, very detailed.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

And Pablo, you want to call about dividends?

[Pablo Brizzio, executive]

Yes. Okay. Yes, Max. I will do that. So if you want -- the Board decision was for a nominal reduction of dividend payment. But if you consider on the broader second, you will see that the dividend that was proposed and that was approved is a dividend that not only maintained or increased the dividend yield of the company but significantly increase the payout ratio that the company is having that we have. Taking into consideration not only that the company has reduced the EBITDA generation in the year, but also has reduced the total net cash position, but also taking into consideration that we are entering to the part of the CapEx plan next year, which will be higher, as you know, than this year. So all in all, what the company is doing is sustaining a very strong deal payment with a very high level of distribution. And as I say in the opening remarks, this is possible because as you know, we discussed many times, the strong financial position that the company is having that allow us to sustain a very strong financial position, while we are doing a very, very important and transformation type of CapEx, like the one that we're doing in Pesqueria.

So in our view, the work we have done with this approval of dividend payment is basically sustain the high level of billion payments that the company is having. We have increased substantially dividendd payments in the last 3 or 4 years, and this continues to be the case. Of course, if you look just by the nominal number, there has been more reduction on that one. But if you look at the all comparisons and/or ratio, the disimparment continues to be very high. I hope I answered your question, Marcio.

[Marcio Farid Filho, analyst]

Yes. No, that's great. Is it fair to assume that we then should look at more of the dividend deal because obviously, the share price is down about 20% year-to-date, that's helping the yields, right? But is it fair to say we should look more at the yields and the payout rather than the nominal term...

[Pablo Brizzio, executive]

Exactly because again, the payout ratio basically is about around 70%, which is quite high comparison to any other companies and what we have done in the past -- in the past 3 or 4 years. So we are distributing significant amount of what we have generated during the year.

[Operator]

And your next question comes from the line of Alfonso Salazar with Scotiabank.

[Alfonso Salazar, analyst]

Yes. Maximo, I have another question for you. And this is regarding the steel industry in North America, not only in Mexico. What is the outlook here? Because -- what we know is that North America is a big net importer of steel. There is more capacity needed for all these efforts for reshoring and new shoring. But at the same time, we have this overcapacity problem globally, and it's only getting worse as China weakens -- demand in China is weakening. And there are tariffs that could be implemented, but that is going to impact competitiveness in the region.

And even there is a risk that there are tariffs within the North American region we cannot rule out that possibility. So how do you see the global steel market going to balance? Are we going to have 2 separate steel markets globally, one did by China and another one by North America and Europe? Or how this is going to unfold over the next 3 to 5 years?

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

I thought -- so that's a great question, but I don't know if I have a great answer for you. But clearly, the reason overcapacity in China, there is an overall capacity in China that was made not because of market forces, but because of a Chinese government policy or you can call it industrial policy, whatever you want, but it was a government incentives that create an overcapacity not only steel, on many industries. So that's a problem in itself. And as I always said, it's impossible to compete with China, with all the subsidies and all the schemes that the Chinese state-owned enterprises has in skill or in many, many other products.

What will happen or what is happening is that most of the regions are reacting to this. North America is reacting to this, the U.S. and Mexico has implemented a series of actions. Brazil is starting to react. Europe has already reacted. So I think we are going to have many regional markets. And that's how it's going to operate in the future. In the case of North America, particularly, I think the North America region is a very competitive region to produce steel, especially low carbon intensity steel, I mean, as you know, Mexico, probably of the big markets -- of the big producer is the lowest of CO2 emission per ton followed by the U.S.

So -- and in a competitive way. So I think that North America itself is very competitive. And again, most -- some of the companies in North America, including Ternium is investing in more capacity, is investing in -- and be able to supply all the needs of the region in a competitive way. Again, no one can compete with a state like China. And I think that is because of that, that reaction is that the governments are taking place. I hope I gave a short answer of a very long topic, Alfonso.

[Alfonso Salazar, analyst]

Yes. That helps. Just one question on this. The risk of tariffs for steel in entering the U.S. is a risk in your view, what can Ternium do if that happens or what would be the strategy?

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Look, I cannot speculate today about tariffs in the U.S. I think -- as I said in the beginning, I think that this is more of an opportunity to strengthen all the North American supply chain. And I think that the administration in Mexico and the new administration or the future administration in the U.S. has a common objective in this. I'm very confident that, of course, there will be discussions and negotiations. But at the end, they are looking the same. So I guess things are going to be resolved.

[Alfonso Salazar, analyst]

Okay. So basically, what North America needs is to reduce imports from other regions. That would be the goal?

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Well, that's a clear objective of the President of Mexico. And she was very public about this in several things and She even put the number of $200 billion in in the public. I think it's also the objective of the new -- or the future administration of the U.S. I think President Trump was very clear about this and the U.S. in general, is very clear that the dependence of China, it's not the way to go. And the strength of North America supply chain, I think, is beneficiary for everyone. I mean, there's a lot of positive things to discuss integration of the energy sector in the North America. That's also a very important subject that can benefit a lot the U.S. and Mexico. So I think there are very positive things to discuss, which I think, will be the way -- so I'm very positive about this.

[Alfonso Salazar, analyst]

Okay. Last one, I promise. This question is, in the near term, the region will need to continue to import and still from elsewhere -- from other countries. There is no way around it, right? So it may...

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

I'm not sure about that. I mean I think the region, if you count Canada, U.S. and Mexico, I think we can supply most of the steel that is consumed in the region.

[Alfonso Salazar, analyst]

Yes but [indiscernible] last year. So it's a big amount.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

But there, you have the imports of -- between both countries. So you have to discount that.

[Alfonso Salazar, analyst]

Correct.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

So the net imports, you are talking about net import of steel of less than $15 million, $20 million. And I think if we increase capacity, most of that -- and some of the imports come from Europe and Japan and that's things that you can manage.

[Alfonso Salazar, analyst]

Correct. Okay. Yes. That's just what I wanted to understand.

[Operator]

And your next question comes from the line of [indiscernible] with Morgan Stanley.

[Unknown Analyst]

I have 2 questions on my side. First one is regarding the steel imports in Brazil. I know you mentioned that in your initial remarks more about how the government now study and making -- reducing the [indiscernible] season. I just wanted to know from you what is the company doing now if you're working close with the [indiscernible]? And what's the outcome that you expect from that if the cold season is going to reduce somehow, if it's going to extend for a longer period of time, if the tariffs are going to increase in some way? And the other one is about the future investments. I know you have an ongoing CapEx plan. But if you have some thoughts about what's the next step for Ternium after the investments in Mexico, we will plan to continue in the Americas or an expansion in any other regions is a possibility.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Thank you, Enrique. Steel imports in Brazil, I mean, this -- I mean, the government implement these quote systems. It implemented in June. So it's very early. But I don't know -- I mean, maybe you know it, but it's a system that you have a quarter, a 4-month quarter. So you cannot surplus supposedly that quota. And let me give you an example. This is the real numbers. The quota for the slab product was around 400,000 tons. That's the quota for the 4 first month. The imports, mainly from China, because 80% of that is China. Of that quota, instead of 400,000 was 900,000. So it's more than double. And most of those didn't pay this tariff of 25%.

So what we're saying to the government, not Ternium in particular, the association is saying to the government is as it is implemented, it's a good -- I mean I don't know, it's a good first step, but it's not working because there are some loopholes in the system. So from one side, we are saying, okay, we should continue working to close those loopholes. The second thing that Ternium and other companies are doing is filing dumping cases. I think that's the long-term view as most of the countries are doing, but that takes a long time. But we are doing that as a second. I hope this is clear from the first question, Enrique?

[Unknown Analyst]

Yes, that's very clear.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Yes. Future investments, I mean, as we always said, we are going to be focused in America. We are not going to go to other regions. I think we have a place or opportunities in the Americas, in the countries, especially in Latin America, where we are to continue growing to continue investment. Today, as you know, we are focused in -- mainly in the increase of the Pesqueria project, as you know, is the biggest project we have ever had in our history.

So we are not focused in the next 2 years in completely this project on time. And with the quality, as you know, it's going to be really the first steel shop of their kind. So we are very focused on completing this and be successful in this.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Camilla Barter with Bradesco BBI.

[Unknown Analyst]

Just 2 quick questions. First on CapEx. I'm not sure it's too early to say, but is there any estimate for CapEx in 2025? And on cost, for Q4, you mentioned we could expect a drop as lower raw material inventories flow through results. But looking at 2025, what can you expect in terms of cost? And also if you could provide your expectations for free cash flow in the coming quarter, it will be great as well.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Thank you, Camilla, very much for your questions. CapEx in 2025, I think that was your first question?

[Unknown Analyst]

Yes. Yes.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Our total CapEx will be around $2.3 billion. This is including [indiscernible]. A big part of that is going to the Pesqueria project, of course, 2025 will be probably the year of more CapEx in our history because of the Pesqueria project.

[Pablo Brizzio, executive]

Then, yes sorry, but we didn't hear that well your questions, but I think the second one was in respect to our expectation for free cash flow generation in the coming quarters. Let me take that one. Yes, axles. Yes. So Okay. Yes. Most yes, you're right. That was your question. So with respect to free cash flow, what we are expecting is, first of all, to continue increase in our CapEx investment, as you have already asked and Maximo gave you the amounts. Without taking that into consideration, which clearly is a significant amount, we shouldn't have that significant changes in working capital. It was quite special, the increase in working capital this quarter, it was basically account payables and increasing account payables and nothing else, more increase in inventories or in our accounts receivable. So it shouldn't be that -- we shouldn't have that case in the coming quarter. So should have a positive operating cash flow and then continue increasing in the CapEx.

So all in all, should be in a better position than the one that we have this quarter. Secondly -- and as we have already mentioned, both Maximo and myself, our expectation is to continue reducing cost, different ways to do that. One of them is something that we discuss almost every quarter, which is we are still utilizing raw material special slab, both in prior quarters that have a higher price than the current one that -- and that's why we should see a reduction in cost coming in the next and the following quarter. So that was -- that is one of the reasons why we said that we have asked -- we can have a slightly better EBITDA generation in the coming quarter.

And also as was mentioned, we are always -- especially in this situation, working very hard in continuing our cost reduction program in all the facilities and all the operating. So we tend to be positive in that respect. The numbers that we already mentioned for the fourth quarter, and especially for 2025.

[Operator]

And there are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to the CEO, Maximo Vedoya.

[Maximo Vedoya, executive]

Thank you very much all for joining us in this call. We welcome your feedback and have a great day. See you in 3 months.

[Operator]

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