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Good morning. My name is Kim, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Terex Corporation's Fourth Quarter and Year-End Financial Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you.
Brian Henry, Senior Vice President, Business Development and Investor Relations, you may begin.
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for today's fourth quarter 2017 financial results conference call. Participating on today's call are John Garrison, President and Chief Executive Officer; and John Sheehan, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Following the prepared remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session.
Last evening, we released our fourth quarter and full year 2017 results, a copy of which is available on terex.com. Today's call is being webcast and is accompanied by a slide presentation, which includes a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures that we will use during this call and is also available on our website. All per share amounts in the presentation are on a fully diluted basis. We will post a replay of this call on the Terex website under Events & Presentation in the Investor Relations section.
Let me direct your attention to slide 2, which is our forward-looking statement and description of non-GAAP financial measures. We encourage you to read this as well as other items in our disclosures because the information we will be discussing today does include forward-looking material.
With that, please turn to slide 3 and I'll turn it over to John.
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us and for your interest in Terex. As a result of the team's dedication and hard work, Terex delivered on its fourth quarter financial commitment. This performance capped an important transformational year for Terex. We doubled operating profit and margins, driven by better incremental margins in AWP, significantly improved Cranes' performance and continued strength in Materials Processing.
We delivered earnings per share of $0.33 in the quarter and we generated free cash flow of $154 million. We significantly improve backlog in every segment, heading into 2018 with 56% higher backlog. We also delivered on our full-year financial commitment. For the full-year 2017, we increased operating profit by 5% on lower sales. All three segments contributed to our success. Cranes and Materials Processing improved significantly, and AWP's performance gained momentum over the year culminating in a stronger fourth quarter.
Earnings-per-share rose to $1.35, a 53% increase in 2016 and a 93% improvement compared to the midpoint of our original 2017 guidance. Our strong earnings per share result was driven by improved operating performance and the fundamental improvements we made to our capital structure. We reduce debt by about $600 million, refinance at the lowest interest rates in the company's history and return capital to shareholders by repurchasing 924 million of Terex stock.
Turning to slide five, we also delivered on our transformational commitments in 2017. By completing the sale of MHPS and the remaining construction businesses, we concluded the focus element of our strategy, creating substantial value for our shareholders. We continue to simplify Terex. We implemented our footprint rationalization plan, exceeding 12 manufacturing facilities totaling 2.6 million square feet, reducing our global footprint by 27%.
The Cranes team led the majority of the restructuring actions, resulting in significantly improved operating performance. Across Terex, we reduced administrative expenses while increasing investment in innovation, strategic sourcing and commercial excellence.
With the sale of MHPS, we removed 27% of our legal entities. Since then, our legal and finance teams have eliminated an additional 20%. We now have the fewest legal entities to administer since 1999, another great example of simplification.
And we made progress deploying our Execute to Win business systems. We launched innovative new products in each segment, including additions to the Demag line of all-terrain Cranes and the extra capacity line of Genie booms and new session [ph].
Materials processing stayed at the fore front of Crushing & Screening technology with additions to their Powerscreen, Finlay and Eagle Clip lines. We are extending process discipline throughout the sales process, as part of our commercial excellence initiative, completing the first phase in 2017.
We strengthen our commercial team, adding experienced leadership and expanding our reach with additional representation on the ground. On strategic sourcing, we established the global organization and launch the first of successive way to leverage our global scale. Overall, we made significant progress executing our strategic plan, but the team clearly understands we have more work ahead of us.
Turning to slide six, in 2018, we'll continue to simplify the company and continue to implement our Execute to Win business systems. The major structural changes in Cranes were largely completed in 2017. Our focus within Cranes will be simplifying operation, improving productivity, and launching new products, to drive the required improvement in operating margins.
The finance and IT teams will be leading our administrative simplification efforts. There are several major projects underway to simplify our account structure, improve processes and enhance performance management systems across Terex. We will continue to shift the balance of our SG&A, investing in customer focused initiatives, including additional engineering and sales and marketing in every segment.
Our Execute to Win deployment will remain focused on three priority areas; commercial excellence, lifecycle solutions and strategic sourcing. Commercial excellence begins and ends with the customer. We are initiating the second phase of pipeline management, which includes deploying Salesforce.com on a global basis. This will solidify the gains we made in 2017 and drive increased process discipline throughout the entire sales pipeline.
In lifecycle solutions, we'll continue building our global parts organization and developing a longer-term telematic strategy. We will continue to improve our performance and enhance our customers' experience throughout the equipment ownership of lifecycle.
Finally, our Wave 1 strategic sourcing teams continue to make progress. We will be making supplier decisions over the course of the year. Based on the initial quotes received from approximately 850 suppliers and over 14,000 SKUs, we are confident that we will achieve our savings objectives.
We expect to see the gross savings start in the second half of 2018. These initial savings will be generated by the less complex components within our Wave 1 categories. The more complex components, which require more extensive supplier development and testing will be implemented in late 2018 and into 2019. In addition, we plan to launch the Wave 2 categories mid-year 2018.
Turning to our 2018 guidance, we expect the global market environment to continue to improve in 2018 and are planning for growth in every segment. Overall, we expect to increase net sales by approximately 10% to roughly $4.8 billion. Operational improvement initiatives and productivity increases are expected to improve margins in every segment. Overall, we are planned to achieve an operating margin of approximately 7%.
On the strength of our operating performance, we expect earnings per share to increase and nearly double our 2017 results. Our 2018 EPS guidance is $2.35 to $2.65 per share before any share repurchases. We will continue to enhance shareholders value, by executing our disciplined capital allocation strategy. We've received authorization from our board to repurchase up to an additional $325 million of Terex stock. We are also increasing our quarterly dividend by 25% to $0.10 per share.
Overall, we're excited about 2018, and are planning to capitalize on what we expect to be a strong operational and financial year for each of our businesses.
With that, let me turn it over to John.
Thanks, John. I will spend a few minutes reviewing our Q4, and full year 2017 financial results before providing the details of our 2018 guidance.
Q4 was an excellent quarter for Terex. AWP grew sharply, up $70 million or 19%. Importantly, AWP's operating profit improved by approximately $12 million or about 65%, driven largely by improved productivity partially offset by higher material costs.
AWP's incremental margin in Q4 was 17%. Over the course of 2017, AWP improved its incremental margins. AWP enters 2018 with considerably more backlog than the prior year, up 51%.
Cranes made a small profit on essentially flat sales. On adjusted basis, this was a $7 million improvement over last year. This marked the third consecutive quarter of positive operating profit for Cranes. Good work by the Cranes team.
Materials processing had another strong quarter. Sales of $283 million were 20% higher than last year, driven by global demand for Crushing & Screening products. Operating profit was up approximately 50% on an adjusted basis, representing margin expansion of 240 basis points, terrific execution by our Materials Processing team in Q4 and throughout 2017.
Turning to slide nine, overall Q4 sales were up 9%, or up approximately 5% on a constant currency basis. Adjusted operating profit doubled compared to last year, improving significantly in every segment. Lower interest and other expense reflects the recapitalization of our balance sheet at the beginning of the year, including improved interest rates.
Earnings per share of $0.33 was three times the 2016 results, about $0.06 of that increase was associated with share repurchases. It's important to note, that the prior year's EPS was earned almost entirely on the release of a tax accrual. So, this quarter's result represents a significant year-over-year improvement.
Please note that our as reported results include provisional balance sheet impact of the new U.S. tax law. Specifically, we adjusted the deferred tax balances of our U.S. operation to the new 21% U.S. Federal statutory tax rate, resulting in a charge for U.S. GAAP of almost $21 million.
Additionally, we recorded a net charge of approximately $29 million, associated with accumulated earnings and profits of our non-U.S. operations. In total, these charges resulted in an effective tax rate of over 200%. Excluding the impact of the new U.S. tax law, our full year 2017 adjusted effective tax rate was 26.9% and in Q4 was 18.2%.
I would also note that the new U.S. tax law has removed the U.S. tax inefficiencies associated with repatriating overseas cash. However, approximately $100 million of non-U.S. cash at year-end is subject to local regulations, where repatriation is restricted.
Turning to slide 10, I'll spend a minute to review our full year results. During 2017, we executed on our plans, and consistently delivered on the commitment we made. Global markets were also stronger than we expected in some cases. It was this favorable combination, stronger global market and operational execution that allowed us to increase earnings per share guidance every quarter during 2017. And ultimately deliver a final EPS result, above the high-end of the range we provided in October.
Importantly, operational execution was the biggest contributor to the $0.47 or 53% improvement in earnings per share, compared to the prior year. The benefits of executing the focus element of our strategy and following our disciplined capital allocation strategy, contributed the balance of the improvements. From an operational as well as our financial standpoint, Terex is very well-positioned going into 2018.
Turning to slide 11, in 2018, we expect to improve our operating margin by about 200 basis points to roughly 7%, and approximately 10% higher sale. Increased operating leverage and growing volume combined with ongoing improvement efforts from the basis for our planned margin expansion.
We expect this strong operational performance to result in 2018 EBITDA between $385 million to $415 million, approximately 40% to 50% higher than 2017. We expect 2018 earnings per share between $2.35 and $2.65 per share. This excludes any benefits associated with our recently announced additional share repurchase authorization.
From a quarterly perspective, we expect a normal historical sales pattern and we expect our EPS to be generated roughly 15% in Q1, 35% in Q2, 30% in Q3 and 20% in Q4.
Our 2018 guidance includes an effective tax rate of approximately 23%, an improvement of about 400 basis points, of which 300 basis points relate to the new U.S. tax code. As you know, Terex is a global company that earns income in many jurisdictions around the world. The most significant benefit of the U.S. tax changes is lowering the U.S. statutory rate to 21%, partially offset by higher taxes on non-U.S. income and loss U.S. deduction.
Overall, Terex will benefit from the new U.S. tax law. The balance of the improvement in our expected effective tax rate comes from the anticipated geographic mix of earnings and improved tax efficiency.
Looking our business segments, we expect to increase sales and improve operating performance across the board. In AWP, we expect to increase sales by approximately 10% and improve operating margins to between 9.5% and 10.5%. We expect Cranes to continue to make significant year-over-year improvement and earn an operating profit of about 2% and approximately 12% higher sales. Consistent with historical patterns, we anticipate an operating loss in the first quarter, although substantially improved compared to Q1 2017.
Materials processing is a consistently strong performer. We expect to grow sales again in 2018, anticipating an increase of about 8%, and to further expand operating margins to between 11.5% and 12.5%.
Turning to slide 12, in 2017, we delivered on our commitment to follow our disciplined capital allocation strategy and in doing so, we dramatically improved our balance sheet, reduced our interest expense and rate, and returned $924 million to shareholders through share repurchases.
We are committed to following the same disciplined capital allocation strategy in 2018. We expect to nearly double our free cash flow to approximately $100 million. Importantly this free cash flow guidance includes spending roughly $46 million on transformation and previously announced restructuring, which will strengthen Terex in 2018 and over the long-term.
Furthermore, subject to market conditions, we are planning to build an additional $40 million of AWP inventories in the second half of 2018 to prepare for what we expect to be continued strong demand for AWP products in 2019.
Adding back these expenditures would approximate a normalized free cash flow of $186 million, representing nearly 100% of our net income. Our cash flow guidance includes $60 million of capital expenditure - not included in our free cash flow guidance is a $20 million investment in our UK operation.
Specifically, we were presented with an attractive opportunity to acquire our principle Northern Ireland based Crushing & Screening manufacturing facilities. This will lower operating cost, generating a considerable return on investment.
As a result of these actions, we anticipate the company's gross financial leverage will decline to approximately 2.5 times at year-end. Based on market condition, we will continue to buy back shares. Our Board of Directors recently authorized to repurchase about to an additional $325 million of Terex stock.
The capital we intend to use for our share repurchases include cash, we generated, but did not spend in 2017, we will generate this year plus overseas cash repatriated to the United States as a result of the new U.S. tax law.
We also plan to raise our quarterly dividend by 25% to $0.10 per share. One of the most important commitments, we made at our Investor Day in December 2016 was to achieve a 20% or greater ROIC by 2020.
In 2017, we improved to 8% and we expect to improve to 15% in 2018. ROIC expansion is a good measure of our progress because it values both operational improvement and the significant improvements we made to our capital structure. We remain confident in our ability to exceed 20% ROIC by 2020.
The Terex team has and will continue to generate shareholder value through the execution of our disciplined capital allocation strategy. With that, I will turn it back to John.
Thanks, John. I'll spend a few minutes to review the dynamics we expect to see in our segment, starting with AWP.
Based on feedback from our customers, we are seeing clear indications that the replacement cycle trough is coming to an end. Based on historical equipment replacement cycle, an improvement in our customers' rental and utilization rate, we believe we are entering a period of growth. Our bookings grew 36% in the fourth quarter, leading to a 51% increase in backlog. Backlog increased in the United States, Europe and Asia.
Our recent Genie product introductions are gaining tractions, and we will be launching a number of innovative new products in 2018. We are also increasing our service and support capabilities to continue to improve customer satisfaction. Commercial excellence is driving discipline in the AWP sales process, allowing the team to systematically identify, quantify and convert opportunities into deliveries.
We expect AWP margins to improve, driven by a modest increase in pricing, through the team's better management of the pricing waterfall and continued improvement in our manufacturing productivity. We expect the pricing environment to remain competitive but improve compared to last year.
Our potential headwind is the price of steel. Overall, the AWP team enters 2018 with clear signs that the markets are improving. For the first time in several years and are well-positioned to take advantage of the improvement.
Turning to Crane, Cranes team made significant progress in 2017, but they clearly understand there is much more to do, and we expect to take another major step forward in 2018.
We have an exciting new product development pipeline, building on the success of the new Demag all terrain line. We will be launching innovative new products throughout the year, many of these products like the new Demag City Crane, enable us to reenter important segment of the Crane markets, where we had a strong presence in the past. Working with our customers we are identifying and responding to their evolving needs.
The global Crane markets have stabilized, and we see pockets of growth, order rates and backlog improved in the fourth quarter. We plan to improve productivity on higher volumes and better operational execution, adding to the benefits from the restructuring actions we took last year.
Our utilities team is executing a multi-year growth plan and we expect volume and profitability improvement. I am encouraged by the progress that we've made in Cranes. Even the team continued to execute and with the stabilization, we are seeing in the global markets, we are well-positioned to improve our operating margin in 2018.
Turning to MP, Materials processing is a consistent performer with a proven ability to execute its plans. We enter 2018 with considerably higher backlog and strength in many of the markets we serve. We expect global demand for Crushing & Screening equipment to continue to grow driven by aggregate consumptions, the strengthening of the British Pound is a headwind as our primary Crushing & Screening factories are in the UK.
Demand for concrete products is expected to be similar to last year. We also expect stronger demand for our fluids material handlers and our broad line of environmental products. Materials processing is investing in the innovations and will continue to launch new products and services that improves its customers' return-on-investments over the course of the year.
The Terex team delivered on our commitments in 2017. We are positioned to increase sales and improve margins again in 2018. Our backlog is up significantly in every segment, and our global markets are improving. We will continue to execute our transformation program, amplifying the company and building capabilities and are Execute to Win priority areas.
Finally, we will continue to execute our disciplined capital allocation strategy and create shareholder value.
With that, let me turn it back over to Brian.
Thanks John. As a reminder, during the question and answer session, we ask you to limit your questions to one and a follow-up to ensure we have time to get to everyone. With that, I'd like to open it up for questions. Operator?
[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Jamie Cook, from Credit Suisse. Your line is open.
Hi, good morning. I guess, two questions centered around the Aerial Work Platform business, the implied incremental for 2018, I think are about 20%, which is much higher versus, where we ended up in 2017.
So, can you just talk about the drivers behind that specifically, I know, you're assuming prices improving, you'll get more price, but what are you assuming on price cost? And are there any benefits from mix either by products or by customers?
And then my second question, you talked about building inventory in that business, in the second half of the year, I think by $40 million or so, what are you hearing from customers that provides, that gives you enough confidence, that we should be building inventory in 2019, given we're only sitting here in February? Thanks.
Thanks, Jamie. Again, overall, if we look at the AWP business, we believe they built momentum over the year, culminating with a stronger Q4. And what we're seeing is, stronger underlying markets, our customers, are really seeing improvement in their utilization in the rental rates.
We also believe that - Matt has talked about the replacement cycle now for many years, that replacement cycles trough is winning and we're entering a period of growth. And really, as we see it, looking at the backlog, that's really a broad-based growth across North America, Europe and Asia is driving that.
And so, as we look to the margin side, the markets do remain competitive, but clearly there is a more favorable pricing environment, especially compared to recent years. We're able to get a modest price improvement in 2018, especially in our national account agreements, as compared to negative pricing that we saw in 2017.
So, the margin improvements are going to come from some modest price increases, improved productivity on the higher volume, is what's going to drive the incremental margin improvement.
And last, I'd say, the team has been working hard, Matt's team on the commercial excellence side, really trying to have the process discipline managing the pricing waterfall to ensure that we're not having any leakage on the pricing given that the dynamics in the market place is challenge. So, we're getting the modest price increase to cover some higher input cost. Matt and the team are focused on meeting the needs of the customer while expanding margins.
And then Jamie, I think on the last question, clearly, we're just trying to give 2018 guidance, and I'm trying to give 2019 guidance, but in the AWP, Aerial space, this replacement cycle, we've talked about it now for years, and as you look into 2019, if this replacement cycle is waning and that's our current look, it would require that we'd build the little bit ahead if you will of inventory in the fourth quarter.
And so, we're trying to provide full year cash guidance. And so, we thought that would call out that we needed to produce a little bit higher. Again, that's based on our current view of the world in the replacement cycle coming to an end.
And just, thank you for that. And just again, but there is nothing within your backlog on your order trends, or when you talking to your customers that points to favorable mix, either to larger booms or the independents coming in now, just to be clear, so to really get price productivity.
That's correct, Jamie. So, if we look at our backlog, I would say, it's consistent. We did see slightly higher on the national accounts in our backlog this year, but again not extraordinarily different. Our product mix and regional mix are relatively consistent with the past historical pattern.
Okay, great. Thank you so much, I'll get back in queue.
Thank you, Jamie.
Your next question comes from Ann Duignan from JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Hi good morning. This is Abdul [ph] on behalf of Ann. Just a follow up on the question, can you just talk a bit about pricing versus cost across the regions and markets probably?
Sure. If we look at kind a global pricing, overall on a global basis that pricing environment still remains quite competitive. But again, especially in AWP and MP, it's improved compared to last year. On the AWP side 60% of our volumes is under annual agreements, and as I just said, we did see some modest price increases on that. It's really designed to cover the higher material costs that we've seen.
On the Crane side, the pricing remains competitive, really coming off a bottom in the marketplace. It's not a robust market by any stretch, but it is - we do believe it's bottoming and the markets are stabilizing.
In that space, our new product introductions are clearly helping the price value relationships with our new products are helping us on the Crane side from a pricing standpoint. And I would say that's also globally.
And then in our MP business they implemented price increase across most of the business lines again trying to drive some coverage of the material price increases that we're seeing. They do have a headwind in that - on our core Crushing & Screening business. They manufacture in Northern Islands so there is a bit of a headwind with the British pound.
But again, the pricing environment there was reasonable given the underlying strength from the customers. So that's how I would view it's still highly competitive on a global basis, but with the stronger underlying fundamental demand environment, it's improving.
Great. Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Andy Casey from Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.
Thanks. Good morning.
Good morning, Andy.
I guess a high-level question John on the overall 10% revenue guidance. What currency contribution are you including? It sounds like you have modest price. I'm just trying to understand the different contributions to that?
Well, in terms of - this is John Sheehan, I'll take that Andy. And quite honestly, when you look at currency in 2018, it really has a mixed impact on us, a stronger Euro is in general better for us especially within our AWP business. And on the other hand, a strong pound is not necessarily a good thing for us as I indicated in my comments earlier, a strong pound with our principle Crushing & Screening manufacturing facilities in the UK meets our exports more expensive.
So, when you go across the various business segments, I would start with AWP and that a stronger Euro benefits our AWP segment, we do have a lot of volume that we manufacture in the U.S. and export into European country. So, a strong Euro is a benefit to AWP. I would say that Cranes are being is relatively balanced in terms of manufacturing in the region in which they sale. So, FX is less of an issue for our Crane segment.
And then MP, as I said a moment ago, a strong pound with the manufacturing we have in the UK makes exports more expensive and therefore a strong pound is negative to them.
Overall, the exchange rates that we've assumed in our guidance are reflective of those that are in the market today. So, that - I would conclude that, it's mixed picture. We can't control exchange rates obviously. So, we're focused on our own execution. And but we're - the stronger pound headwind is offset with the stronger Euro benefit.
Okay, thanks. And then on the margin, if I look at the puts and takes and some stuff that happened last year, some production and inefficiencies and warranty and so forth. Are you looking for those to be absent this year in the 7% guidance? And if so given your commentary about gaining savings from the strategic sourcing in the second half, should we expect kind of margins to gain momentum through the year. I'm just trying to understand. I know you gave the earnings and revenue breakout?
Yeah, I would, so I would say that we see ourselves as very well-positioned financially and operationally heading into 2018, the backlog being up 56% for the company as a whole is certainly a benefit. We expect - our guidance is to increase sales and margins in every and every segment Andy.
And so, well I certainly would say that we see a very good strong 2018 and we are - we have a balanced guidance from my perspective and therefore we have taken into consideration one of the things I'd say is that not all good things happen, not all bad things happen, we have a balanced guidance from my perspective.
I would say that I did point out in my comments that we do expect an operating loss for Cranes in Q1 that's consistent with historical patterns for the Cranes business and that loss will be substantially lower than it was in 2018 - 2017.
And finally, in terms of the development of operating profit, you're right, I did provide the quarterly expectations for EPS, I think it's reasonable to assume that the operating profit follows the EPS development.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Steven Fisher, from UBS, your line is open.
Thanks. Good morning.
Good morning, Steve.
If you could just talk a little bit about cash flow and what cause the cash flow to be so much better than expectations in the fourth quarter, was that just a pull forward or timing of working capital?
So, I'm going to say - be somewhat open and say that John Sheehan first year at Terex, provided a bit of my being conservative in Q3 having watched the development of the cash flow. The rest of the team here would say that the development of cash flow was absolutely consistent with the previous years and we had very strong working capital management in the fourth quarter the year and that led to the cash flow - free cash flow for the year of slightly over $50 million.
And I wouldn't call it a pull ahead from 2018, it was managing the collection of receivables in the fourth quarter and managing of inventories to the right level so it's - no, it's not a pull ahead from my perspective from 2018.
I would also just say that we are doubling our free cash flow guidance from 2017 to 2018 to a $100 million and that $100 million takes into consideration investing $46 million in transformation and restructuring activities. It also includes the $40 million investment in additional AWP inventory for 2019 that John referenced then we talked to Jamie about a few moments ago.
If you add those figures back Steve then you get to $186 million of what I'll call normalized free cash flow, which is very close to the 100% of net income commitment that we made at our Investor Day in 2016. So, we're generating cash, but at the same time we're also investing in our strategic priorities and for the future growth of this company.
Great, that's helpful. And related to materials costs, you have talked a little bit about that on this call, but just want to gauge kind of exactly what's you're baking in because steel prices when I see are already up double-digit since December. So, wondering how and when that will flow through to the cost of goods sold and should we expect some margin compression when that does happen or be able to kind of reopen pricing, how should we think about that?
So, Steven on steel prices, our guidance does include, what I would say is a reasonable forecast for steel prices over the balance of 2018.
As you pointed out steel is the upper end of its historic range. We're also very cognizant of in keeping an eye on the commerce just department's decision on 232. The way I guess I would characterize it Steven is that if steel prices continue to rise from here all other things being equal that would push us towards the lower end of our guidance range. And if it is moderated we would be at the upper end of our guidance range.
Steel is an input cost that we are proactively managing, but overall, we do have a reasonable forecast for steel prices built into our 2018 guidance.
Perfect, thanks very much.
Your next question comes from the line of David Raso from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
Hi, thank you. Given the large backlog that you have in AWP, you have greater than normal visibility on the year if it would appear. Can you give us a little help on how you see the sales growth cadence in AWP for the year? And then, I have a follow-up off of your answer?
David, overall, I think it's really historical norms. We don't see anything - we're not forecasting or seeing anything off a historical norm in terms of the revenue flow through the year. It can happen well as you know, the middle months late Q1, Q2 or big months of things can flow from end of the beginning of Q1 from Q2 over quarter end. But we're not forecasting or seeing anything that fundamentally different than the historical patterns that we've had.
Yeah, and the reason I asked is obviously the comps are easier in the first half of the year. So relative to your full year AWP sales guide at 10%. You would think the first half is above 10 and you're applying that back half is below 10. But when I think that's through for the second quarter, which is the big AWP quarter, right?
It appears where your EPS guidance implies for 2Q, it does seem like you're implying an AWP second quarter where your incrementals already north of 30. Now, the whole year guide is 27, 28, so it's got to be something about 30 maybe for a quarter. I just want to make sure we're clear that you're expecting, it appears your incrementals as soon as 2Q are running that hard.
And then my follow-up on that is how do you think about structurally not to give 2019 guidance. But the way you're insinuating pay 2019 to be another up year for aerials. How do you think about the business just along the same page for the out years, for incremental margins in AWP?
So again, if you can verify that second quarter, it sounds like we're north of 30. And how should we think about beyond '18 how you think about the business.
I'll take the second part of the question David. And again, it's we're providing guidance on 2018 with the greatest clarity that we have. And again, that's not being suspicious. My team is out there, but again the reason that we thought that we're commenting now on the aerial places the dramatic impact that the replacement cycle has had on demand.
And even back at our investor day we thought that the replacement cycle would wane beginning in late 2018 and into 2019. And so, I think that forecast appears to be holding. You could argue maybe it's ending a little sooner than we had originally forecasted.
So that's why we say in their business as you think about it to meet the demand in Q1 and Q2 you've got to produce some in late Q4, that impacts our cash as you heard earlier question.
So that's really the reason that we felt to comment on AWP business in 2019. It was really about our 2018 cash forecast. But this replacement cycle is real, time will tell, but right now the indications are draining and that's why we thought it was worth commenting on AWP. John, did you want to comment. And second quarter margins are, go ahead.
I would say look, we don't provide quarterly segment guidance, but on AWP, the second quarter is obviously their strongest of the year. We would expect that to be the same this year and to be a very good quarter for them. So, I just sort to leave it there, I think.
John, I appreciate the comments about sales beyond 2018, the replacement story. But long story short right, the streets have $3 next year, you're saying 250 this year. If you go AWP 10% in 2019 and put a 25% incremental, you've got the $0.50 right there, right, the year-over-year growth, regardless of Cranes and MP can get any better 2019 versus 2018.
So, I'm just making sure I understand run through this model. Do you think, it is business beyond 2018 as, yeah, there should be a 25% plus business, anybody can forecast what they want for revenue growth in the next two years. So, it's just around the same page.
Yeah. I think overall, our expectations, and I think the AWP team's expectations, is this should be a 25% incremental margin business. We provide tremendous value to our customer, long-term value, long-term lifecycle value and the return that our customer enjoys.is a reasonable as with us,
So, I think that's a monitor of the 25% that we need to continue to drive for, part of our innovation in new products is ensuring that we're bringing products to the market place that meet the needs of the customers. So, a point or two of prices is not a major issue for the customer based on the value that the products perform. So overall, that's our target for that business, it's 25% incremental and something we should be issuing for.
And for the company as a whole, and if you look at, just look at the growth in our EPS from 2017 to 2018, we're doubling our EPS from a $1.35 to midpoint of our guidance range to $2.50, $0.91 of that growth or 80% of it, is coming from operation on the back of the 10% revenue growth that we're experiencing, and the other $0.24 or 20%-ish coming from share count and tax rates. So, we're focused on driving growth of our top-line and driving that to the bottom-line.
And the other thing I'd add to that David, is obviously don't want to give guidance on '209. But we're making investments in the business for the long-term health of the business, it's part of our Execute to Win strategic query. So, as I've said, we're not going to cut engineering spend in the quarter, to make a quarterly number that's a detriment of the long-term of the business.
So, again, we're trying to invest near term and long-term and 25% for the company and that's only 25% incremental margins for AWP is something that we ought to put up on the wall and go after.
I appreciate that, obviously people trying to figure out what's the bigger picture EPS power, and aerial's margin last decade were extremely high. I'm not sure, we'll get back to those. The people just trying to figure, could this be a business getting back to 12%, 13%, 14%. So, we're just trying to get a feel filled for that.
These are share count reduction obviously is a nice part of the EPS growth story. And in that - I'll get after this question. The share repo is not in the guide. Can you please give us your thought on, how we should think about that? And also, the cadence on that, I know the cash flow seasonality, but still, just how to think about what are the levers that you're thinking about, to say, hey, let's get active on the repo versus hold-off, as we think through the quarters this year?
Yeah. So, I absolutely confirm the share repurchases are not build into the 235 to 265 guidance that we provided. And David, we were, we did in 2017 follow our discipline capital allocations strategy, we're going to absolutely follow that in 2018. And the timing of share repurchases is going to depend on market condition.
But, I think the key issue David, is no change in our capital allocation strategy.
All right, thank you. Sorry for the rusty voice this morning. Thanks.
No problem.
Thank you, David.
Your next question comes from Mircea Dobre from Baird. Your line is open.
Good morning, gentlemen. Just want to talk a little bit about Cranes. So, you built up nice backlog in 2017, obviously your orders have been running ahead of revenues. But if I look at your guidance for 2018, it seems to me that, your revenue is still guided below, where your orders were running in 2017.
So, I'm trying to understand your perspective here given that the end markets seem to be doing a little bit better, is it that you're expecting orders to moderate or you're simply thinking about building backlog? Are you able to convert on that backlog at this point of time?
So, in terms of - I'll just start kind of high level, obviously with a lot of work in 2017 with the Cranes team on the restructuring, again global markets are stabilizing, but they're not robust, they're just packets of growth. Order intake rates are improving, bookings being up 15% in the backlog, up at 70%. So, going into the year, we're in a better backlog position than we were a year-ago and that gives us some confidence for the revenue guide of up 12%.
Yeah, I think make that as John said a moment ago, our backlog at the end of 2017 represents about 40% of our expected revenue for 2018, that is, and it is favorable to 2017, but we still have almost $800 million that over and above our backlog that we need to build and take orders for field ship.
Steve and the team and the entire Cranes team are working every day and booking orders and building and shipping product and we have a significant confidence in their execution of the plans. And I would just since we're on Cranes, we're looking at a 330-basis points improvement in their margins this year from 2017. Certainly 2% isn't our more operating margins isn't our end goal, but Steve and the team are really making a big step forward with that business in 2018.
So again, I'm just add this last year's focus was on a lot of the restructuring activities and this year, it really is around the execution driving productivity in the plant, we have several new product launches across the plant as well, so the team needs to execute on that to drive the top-line as well in the margin. So, I shift the focus to the Cranes team if you will and it's a big year for us. So, we've made great strides, but we know about 2% operating margin is not a long-term objective.
Right, but from their perspective of ramping up production you are, or you need to be at this point, there are no other issues there?
In terms of ramping production, there is new product launches to the team FX you can go through as we go through the year. Overall, one of the questions out there that would see as around supplier, supplier lead times, right now the good news is manufacturing is improving and increasing for the first time in a number of years, our supply base is seeing that.
We do see day-to-day delivery issues and there is a team has to do - has to manage if you will across various commodities. So, they are managing that day-to-day, so it really comes down as a day-to-day execution on the shop for the new product development to meet the needs of our customers in a timely manner.
All right. Then my follow-up, you mentioned margin already but maybe get an updated view as to how you are thinking longer-term from a margin perspective. How much do you think it still within your sort of self-help that's left in this business beyond 2018? And how much are you relying on either better mix or meaningfully higher volume in client specifically?
Yes, thanks. In terms of, we are maintaining our commitment to - they aren't greater in our cost of capital in this segment which means we've got to get to 6% to 8% type operating margin. Mix does matter, one of headwinds this year in Cranes is that, our crawler mix is off a little bit, but at the end of the day we've got to have the products and services and the capabilities to drive this business for 6% to 8% and that's what the team is focused on.
All right, thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Nicole DeBlase from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Yeah, thanks. Good morning, guys.
Good morning, Nicole.
So, I guess starting what's kind of where we are in this cycle, I think you guys mentioned that you think that the replacement cycle within AWP is coming to an end, I just want to confirm that that means that 2019 is likely to be peak revenues or what should we consider to be peak revenues for this segment? And then kind of in a similar vein, where do we think we are in the cycle for Materials Processing, is there further upside there or is 2019 looking kind of pick us for peakish for that business to have such a nice growth?
I appreciate, I'm chucking a little bit, Nicole. I don't want to use the word peak around 2019 again, where we just thought it was appropriate for us on the replacement cycle to say that we believe the replacement cycles waning and so we are entering a favorable period of growth for AWP. So, I don't want to put any comment on 2019 revenue forecast or the live.
In terms of the MP business, the underline demand of the business is strong, our core aggregate Crushing & Screening business on a global basis is looking good. We've seen a recovery in the positive side of higher steel prices, it's scrap metal prices are up and there is a pretty good correlation on our [indiscernible] business with scrap metal prices. So that aspect of the business is improving.
And then concrete is a light sideways right now due to some regulatory changes in the U.S. Overall, I think the MP business is going to good position and the team executes well in the volume that they get. So that's all common on the MP side.
Okay, thanks John. That's helpful. And then I guess shifting to Cranes, we heart from one of your biggest competitors last week and one of the big trends that they talked about is that they are starting to see Crane dealer inventory restocking which kind it help there 4Q orders, I'm curious, if you guys are also seeing some restocking activity from your dealers at all and if that kind of played into the order shrink that we saw this quarter?
Thanks. Overall, our distribution models a little bit when we really don't have the significant number of stocking dealers. Most of our dealers really are rental companies as well. And so, we didn't have a big build up on stocking orders through our distribution channel.
Talking the Cranes customers, it's different than AWP and the Cranes side right now. They are seeing better utilization, but they are still not yet seeing that rate recovery, but especially in our teams in that area. So, the market is improving and that's why we use the word stabilized, but it's not as robust as the aerial market is right now.
Okay. Thanks, I'll pass it on.
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