Pure Storage Inc

NYSE:PSTG

Earnings Call Analysis

Strong Start with Revenue Growth and AI Opportunities

Pure Storage reported robust financial results for Q1 FY2025, with an 18% increase in revenue and a record $100 million operating profit. The company saw healthy growth in its subscription services, with ARR rising 25% to $1.4 billion. U.S. revenue stood at $489 million, while international sales were $204 million. Pure expects Q2 revenue of $755 million and operating profit of $125 million, maintaining its annual guidance. The company is well-positioned in the growing AI and data storage markets, aiming for a 50% growth in their Storage as a Service offerings, targeting $600 million in TCV sales for FY2025.

Introduction

Pure Storage had a solid first quarter in fiscal year 2025, returning to double-digit revenue growth. Key factors behind this performance were new and existing enterprise customer sales, and strong demand for FlashBlade solutions, including FlashBlade E.

Financial Highlights

Revenue for Q1 grew by 18%, returning Pure Storage to strong double-digit growth. Subscription services Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR) rose 25% to over $1.4 billion. On incorporating non-cancelable Evergreen subscription contracts, ARR at the end of Q1 grew by 26%. Total Remaining Performance Obligations (RPO) including subscription services and product orders grew 27% to $2.3 billion.

Customer and Market Trends

The company acquired 262 new customers in Q1, now serving 61% of the Fortune 500. Pure Storage’s platform strategy continues to meet customer demands, particularly in AI and high-performance data storage markets. The straightforward unified platform of Pure Storage integrates various storage needs without requiring different operating systems, making it a compelling choice for enterprises.

Product Performance

FlashBlade had a record Q1, with notable adoption across geographies and use cases including AI. The FlashBlade’s versatility, spanning high-performance applications and low-cost needs like backups, contributed significantly to its success. Gross margins were strong across product (72.8%) and subscription services (74.9%), aiding an overall total gross margin of 73.9%.

Operating and Financial Health

Operating profit for Q1 reached $100 million, achieving a new record for the first quarter. Strong gross margin performance and disciplined investing contributed to operating margin strength of 14.5%. Cash flow from operations was $222 million, and capital expenditures were $49 million, representing about 7% of revenue. With approximately $1.7 billion in cash and investments, Pure Storage’s balance sheet remains robust.

Storage as a Service Momentum

Total Contract Value (TCV) sales for storage as a service offerings in Q1 were $56 million. Although this was a slower start than expected, the company forecasts 50% growth in this segment, anticipating $600 million in TCV for fiscal year 2025. U.S. revenue was $489 million, while international revenue totaled $204 million during Q1.

Future Guidance

The guidance for Q2 expects revenue of $755 million with an operating profit of $125 million, equating to an operating margin of 16.6%. For the whole fiscal year 2025, the company reiterates its revenue and operating margin outlook, bolstered by a strong start to the year. Pure Storage is staying cautious about the macro spending environment but is well-positioned for growth, particularly in AI-driven data storage demands.

Conclusion

Pure Storage is optimistic about its sustained growth opportunities, driven both by AI and the potential to replace most data storage with Pure flash solutions. With an emphasis on customer satisfaction and expansion, the company plans to keep innovating and expanding its market presence. Upcoming events like the Accelerate conference are expected to showcase further advancements and strategic direction.

Earnings Call Transcript 2025-Q1

[Operator]

Good day. Welcome to the Pure Storage First Quarter Fiscal 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Paul Ziots. Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Paul Ziots, executive]

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Pure's First Quarter Fiscal Year 2025 Earnings Conference Call. On the call, we have Charlie Giancarlo, Chief Executive Officer; Kevan Krysler, Chief Financial Officer; and Rob Lee, Chief Technology Officer. Following Charlie's and Kevan's prepared remarks, we will take questions.

Our press release was issued after post market and is posted on our website where this call is being simultaneously webcast. The slides that accompany this webcast can be downloaded at investor.purestorage.com. On this call today, we will make forward-looking statements, which are subject to various risks and uncertainties. These include statements regarding our financial outlook in operations, our strategy, technology and its advantages, our current and new product offerings and competitive industry and economic trends. Any forward-looking statements that we make today are based on facts and assumptions as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update them.

Our actual results may differ materially from the results forecasted, and reported results should not be considered as an indication of future performance.

A discussion of some of the risks and uncertainties relating to our business is contained in our filings with the SEC and we refer you to those public filings. During this call, all financial metrics and associated growth rates are non-GAAP measures other than revenue, remaining performance obligations, or RPO, and cash and investments.

Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are provided in our earnings press release and slides. This call is being broadcast live on the Pure Storage Investor Relations website and is being recorded for playback purposes. An archive of the webcast will be available on the IR website and is the property of Pure Storage. Our second quarter fiscal 2025 quiet period begins at the close of business, Friday, July 19, 2024.

With that, I'll turn it over to Charlie.

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Thank you, Paul. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our Q1 fiscal 2025 Earnings Call. Thank you for joining us today. We are pleased with our Q1 performance, returning to double-digit revenue growth for the quarter. Our highly differentiated platform strategy continues to demonstrate success and rings true with customers. The recent advances in AI have opened up multiple opportunities for Pure in several market segments.

Of greatest interest to the media and financial analysts has been the high-performance data storage market or large public or private GPU farms. A second opportunity is providing specialized storage for enterprise inference engine or RAG environments. The third opportunity, which we believe to be the largest in the long term, is upgrading all enterprise storage to perform as a storage cloud, simplifying data access and management and eliminating data silos, enabling easier data access for AI.

Pure is seeing early success in all three of these AI-based opportunities, and we can address them all with our unified Purity platform. Unlike other vendors, we do not require different operating system software to address different storage needs. AI inevitably calls customers' attention to the fragmented state of their data caused by their disparate data storage infrastructure, data stored on widely diverse platforms with different operating and management systems, which are siloed and individually managed are unable to feed real-time data to AI inference engines.

The pure storage platform strategy provides a unified and integrated data storage and delivery system across customers' various data environments. It facilitates seamless management and data access across data centers and the cloud with simplified universal policies and management. We will be announcing significant new advances to this platform strategy next month at our Accelerate Customer and Partner Conference. Our platform vision played a crucial role in securing several strategic enterprise deals this quarter.

The ease of use of our platform and a notable interest in saving power and reduced environmental impact led to a notable win with a managed service provider specializing in high-performance computing. Their accelerated environment for both large language models and inferencing delivers top-tier AI infrastructure and training solutions for their financial services, energy and life sciences customers. Enterprise and international market segments were strong this last quarter.

Our E Family continues its strong growth and was also a key enabler in our discussions with hyperscalers. FlashBlade had a record Q1, including in AI workloads. We are seeing broader adoption across geographies, including both prospects and existing customers. FlashBlade's ability to span the price performance spectrum from the highest sustained performance required for AI to low-cost applications such as backup is incredibly compelling.

We continue to make significant progress in penetrating every area of online data storage with our purity and DirectFlash technology, both in the enterprise and in the cloud. the quantity and quality of our discussions with hyperscalers have advanced considerably this past quarter. Hyperscalers have a broad range of storage environments. These include high-performance storage based on SSDs, multiple levels of lower-cost HDD-based nearline storage and tape-based off-line storage. We are in a unique position to provide our purity and DirectFlash technology for both their high performance and their near line environments, which make up the majority of their storage purchases. Our most advanced engagements now include both testing and commercial discussions.

As such, we continue to believe we will see a design win this year. Pure Storage technology brings multiple advantages to hyperscaler infrastructure. Data storage is either first or second in power and space consumption in data centers. First, purity and DirectFlash reduces the power space and cooling requirements for hyperscale data storage by a factor of ten or more. Second, Pure reduces the need for sophisticated cashing and other technologies that hyperscalers use to make up for the relatively low performance of hard drives. Third, Pure's technology improves server performance by accelerating data delivery. And finally, Pure's technology significantly improves both the reliability and the longevity of their storage, thereby significantly reducing costs.

Increased energy use is a major issue in cost for both hyperscalers and enterprise data centers. This is even more important as introducing AI and data centers promises to consume ever greater amounts of power and cooling. Pure storage can dramatically reduce the power usage in existing data centers by upwards of 20%, bringing significant power and cooling for AI workloads. Another reason why hyperscalers are interested in pure technology.

In the enterprise, we are seeing continued momentum and opening new opportunities with our cloud operating model. Enterprises want their data centers to operate the same way as cloud companies operate theirs. Customers should be able to automate and manage storage as virtualized clouds of storage, whether located on-prem or in the cloud, delivering a complete cloud operating model, Evergreen One allows our customers to consume storage as a service based entirely on guaranteed service level agreements, enabling them to store their data whenever and wherever they want with guaranteed reliability and performance.

It provides customers with hands-free storage services where and when they need it, managed entirely through our Pure1 management portal. Additionally, hybrid cloud has now become the standard design practice by enterprises. They now expect the same cloud experience of self-service, flexibility and agility from their private data center infrastructure. It's no longer only about price performance and features. Pure Fusion solves the complexity of traditional IT and storage by joining storage arrays into virtual storage pools. Managers can manage their entire fleet of arrays by policy and are able to set up custom storage services for both IT and developers.

Pure Fusion combines enterprise storage with a cloud operating model, cloud agility and scalability and enables easier access to real-time data stores for applications such as AI. Hear more about Pure Fusion at next month's Pure Accelerate event.

Moving on to the market as a whole. We have not seen a significant change in the overall macro environment or customers' intentions to buy. While we have great enthusiasm for our opportunities in AI, spending on AI may put pressure on other parts of IT budgets. We believe that the storage market will fare relatively well in this IT economy but have yet to see a major inflection.

Overall, we believe that we are well positioned in all of the segments we compete in, and we will continue to gain share across our markets. Our leadership position is now clearly demonstrated by our competitors increased further to mimic our strategy and our messages. We also believe that long-term secular trends for data storage are no longer based on the expectation of commoditized storage, but rather on high-technology data storage systems and run very much in our favor. We will discuss these long-term trends in more detail at our upcoming financial analyst session at Accelerate.

With that, I'll turn it over to Kevan.

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Thank you, Charlie. We saw a strong start to our year in Q1 as our financial performance outperformed across both revenue and profitability. Revenue grew a healthy 18% and an operating profit of $100 million resulted in a new high record for Q1. Specifically, we were very pleased that we returned to strong double-digit revenue growth in Q1. Two key drivers of our revenue growth this quarter were: one, sales to new and existing enterprise customers across our entire data storage platform; and two, strong customer demand for our FlashBlade solutions, including FlashBlade E.

In Q1, subscription services annual recurring revenue, or ARR, was healthy, growing 25% to over $1.4 billion. As we mentioned previously, subscription services ARR excludes noncancelable Evergreen subscription contracts where the effective service date has not started. Including noncancelable subscription contracts where the effective service date has not started, subscription services ARR at the end of Q1 grew 26%. Total RPO, which includes both subscription services and product orders grew 27% year-over-year in Q1 to $2.3 billion.

As a reminder, product orders within RPO include a noncancelable telco order in Q3 FY '24 and orders relating to a Fortune 500 financial services company in Q4 FY '24. RPO associated solely with our subscription service offerings at the end of Q1 grew 24%. Q1 year-over-year subscription RPO growth was affected by several large Evergreen One opportunities that closed during Q1 of last year. Although we expect larger Evergreen One opportunities to close as we progress through the year, no large opportunities closed during Q1.

Total contract value, or TCV, sales for our Storage as a Service offerings during Q1 were $56 million. We saw building demand and pipeline, including large opportunities for our Storage as a Service offerings during Q1. Consistent with our original FY '25 forecast, we expect 50% growth of our Storage as a Service offerings, including Evergreen One and Evergreen Flex, achieving $600 million in TCV sales. U.S. revenue for Q1 was $489 million, and international revenue was $204 million.

Our new customer acquisition grew by 262 customers during Q1 and we now serve 61% of the Fortune 500. Product and subscription services gross margins both contributed to strong total gross margin strength of 73.9%, in Q1. Product gross margin was 72.8%, and subscription services gross margin was 74.9% while reflecting strong gross margins, we are aggressively competing and winning customers secondary and lower storage tiers with our e family solutions and FlashArray C. Operating profit and margin strength of 14.5% were positively impacted by revenue overachievement, strong gross margin performance and disciplined investing.

Our head count decreased slightly to approximately 5,500 employees at the end of the quarter. Pure's balance sheet and liquidity remains very strong, including $1.7 billion in cash and investments at the end of Q1. Cash flow from operations during the quarter was $222 million and capital expenditures were $49 million, representing approximately 7% of revenue. Factors contributing to capital expenditures included test equipment supporting our engineering teams for new innovations, continued build-out of our new headquarters and infrastructure supporting our Evergreen One Storage as a service sales.

Our objective of partially offsetting dilution using share repurchases remains. Though during Q1, we did not repurchase shares of stock because of trading restrictions. Beginning in June, we will also fund withholding taxes due on employee equity awards by net share withholding which will also reduce share dilution. We have approximately $395 million on our existing repurchase authorization.

Now turning to our guidance. For Q2, we expect revenue of $755 million and expect that operating profit will be $125 million or operating margin of 16.6%.

Turning to our annual guidance for FY '25. We are reiterating our FY '25 revenue and operating margin guidance. We are pleased with the strong start to the year with both top line and operating profit outperforming. Also, while storage spending for AI is still in its early stages, we believe that we are well positioned as demand for data storage accelerates. At the same time, we are also remaining mindful of the macro spending environment.

In closing, we are pleased with the strong start to the year. This is an unprecedented time for Pure as we are well positioned to participate in substantial and sustained growth opportunities, whether driven by AI or our pursuit of replacing the vast majority of data storage with Pure flash for all customer workloads, including hyperscalers bulk storage. We look forward to seeing many of you at our product and technology-focused Financial Analyst Meeting at Accelerate in Las Vegas on June 20.

With that, I will turn it back to Paul for Q&A.

[Paul Ziots, executive]

Thanks, Kevan. Before we begin the Q&A session, I'll ask you to please limit yourself to one question, consisting of one part so we can get to as many people as possible. If you have additional questions, we kindly ask that you please rejoin the queue, and we'll be happy to take those additional questions as time allows. Operator, let's get started.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Amit Daryanani from Evercore.

[Amit Daryanani, analyst]

I guess hoping you could just talk a bit more about the cloud opportunity going forward. I think Meta has a wide [indiscernible] at recently, but talked about using some other provider for this opportunity. And then it's not a new cloud win at some point here. But you don't market in the [indiscernible] option can had the specific win. Do you think the opportunity is bigger in AI versus [indiscernible]? Just any more on the cloud side would be helpful.

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Sure. Thank you, Amit. So we have a discipline in terms of how we refer to these, what I'll call three different segments. AI, cloud and hyperscaler. And when we speak about each one of them, I want to be clear to everyone, we try to be quite disciplined. So when we have an AI win, whether that's in an enterprise or a GPU cloud or even in a hyperscaler, we'll call that AI. When we've been speaking about getting a design win in a hyperscaler, that speaks specifically to their standard storage that they use both for their own compute and for their customers' storage that go on to the hyperscaler storage cloud environments.

And when we speak about cloud, we speak about our capabilities to operate like a cloud in the enterprise, but also our software that operates on top of the hyperscalers such as Cloud Block Store or Portworx that allow our customers to achieve, if you will, like multi-cloud of data. So when we -- you mentioned Meta. And yes, we've sold into their GPU environment, by the way, they have multiple AI environments, and we are in the majority of the environments that we're aware of in Meta AI. But when we speak about that, we'll speak about that as AI wins, that will contribute to our AI wins.

When we speak about getting a design win in a hyperscaler, we're talking about their standard storage. And when we speak about cloud, that really does speak to Cloud Block Store as well as Portworx as well as when we operate our arrays as a platform across multiple data centers of the customer and even into the Cloud Block Store on the hyperscaler, we refer to that as our cloud wins. So going back to your question and sorry to elongate it, but I want to make sure that everyone is aware of the way we use those words.

I believe that we think that AI presents an immediate opportunity in machine learning, but that it will also drive customers to focus on upgrading their entire data storage, and we believe that represents an opportunity for us with our platform play to not only upgrade their capabilities, but allowed their storage to operate as a cloud of storage rather than as individual arrays. And we believe that's a very big opportunity in the somewhat longer term.

We also believe that our opportunity to sell into the hyperscalers for their traditional storage environment. Their customer environment and their own storage environment represents a very big opportunity, one that we're very excited about.

[Robert Lee, executive]

Yes, Amit, and this is Rob. Just to jump on to that. To help you think about size, scale and just some context behind it. As we think about the hyperscaler environments, in particular, yes, there's been a lot of focus and attention paid to the AI deployments and build-outs. But the larger general purpose of bulk storage environments that Charlie speaking of we believe consist of, even today, 80% to 90% of their total storage build-outs are sitting on disk are being deployed on disc are going to serve these general purpose environments.

And that's really the opportunity that we see as we refer to the hyperscalers. And to some extent, as Charlie said, the AI opportunity one that we do well in as well. I think the other thing that's going on in these hyperscaler environments is because there's so much focus being placed on AI build-out, that's presenting a real challenge when it comes to power and space. And so that's really in our advancing discussions with these hyperscaler firms.

It's becoming clear that power availability, securing just the operational limitations to be able to go and maintain the storage footprint they have today on disc is becoming a real challenge for them and one that we're very hopeful to go and help them with.

[Paul Ziots, executive]

Thank you, Amit. Next question, please.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Meta Marshall from Morgan Stanley.

[Meta Marshall, analyst]

Great. I just wanted to get any commentary you could provide on as NAND prices increase just on how you guys are thinking about gross margin, clearly, no impact this quarter, but just any expected impact over the calendar year.

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Thanks, Meta. As you recall, we operate in a dynamic pricing -- storage in general is in a dynamic pricing environment. That is to say that customers buy storage episodically when they do, they want to negotiate, we negotiate in a competitive environment against competitive players who tend to price on a cost-plus environment. And as such, ASPs, if you will, on a per gigabyte basis tend to fluctuate with the underlying commodity. So net-net of all that as NAND prices generally don't affect our gross margin as much as they do with the market -- the top line of the market as a whole.

And so with prices rising, I think that's somewhat of a tail -- should be something of a tailwind in general, although customers generally have a set budget. So put that all in a blender, it shouldn't affect our -- or the industry's gross margins all that significantly.

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Yes, in a meaningful way. And just following on to Charlie's point, look, we're really pleased with our gross margin performance in Q1. We did see product gross margins declined slightly sequentially, though remaining strong. While at the same time, we are aggressively competing and winning customers secondary and lower storage tiers with our E Family solutions and FlashArray C.

But the flash pricing volatility, again, just highlights the differentiated advantages of our Purity software and DirectFlash technology. And as a reminder, QLC flash represents the majority of the flash we consume today, really providing a meaningful sustained cost advantage, both against TLC flash and commercial SSDs using QLC flash.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Howard Ma from Guggenheim Securities.

[Howard Ma, analyst]

I guess for Charlie or for Kevan, how would you guys characterize the demand environment relative to say, I guess, all of last fiscal year than relative to a few months ago, would you say that IT spending optimizations are largely behind us now? And you're starting to see a material uptick in demand or not necessarily? And then just one quick follow-up on AI inferencing specifically or AI inferencing driven demand, are you starting to see enough of an uptick at least in pipeline?

I know it's not in the numbers you have to in pipeline to call out? Or is that still too early?

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Howard, we're going to take your first question because we're going one question of one part, but we'll get back to it if we can, if there's time, the second one.

So I think that -- I did say it in my prepared remarks is that certainly, it's an improvement over last year, but I can't say we've seen a major inflection yet.

So starting to pick up around Q4. I can't say it's changed much since Q4. I do think AI has caused customers to take a second look as to how they're going to be spending their money this year. But overall, I'd say it's a modest recovery from last year, but I haven't seen a big inflection point.

[Operator]

Comes from Pinjalim Bora from JPMorgan.

[Unknown Analyst]

This is Noah on for Pinjalim. You talked about a potential design win at a hyperscaler by year-end. Can you just help us understand how the discussions have evolved so far. You mentioned in your prepared remarks that the quantity and quality of discussions with hyperscales have advanced considerably this past quarter. So any other color you can provide there would be helpful.

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

What I -- you meant to convey with that remark is that we are having conversations with multiple hyperscalers. When we talk about hyperscalers and this maybe go back some quarters, we're really speaking about the top ten hyperscalers. So it goes beyond just the three public clouds, if you will, to the other -- the FANGs, et cetera, in this.

So we the quantity, meaning the number of those players that we speak to and the quality of those conversations have improved. Mentioned as well that we're now not just experiencing testing in some of those environments, but some commercial discussions as well. So all those are positive signs, if you will, that lead us to believe that a design win this year.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Wamsi Mohan from Bank of America.

[Unknown Analyst]

This is Nadi on for Wamsi. I saw that in the quarter, your head count declined slightly. Could you explain on why that is the case? And is there any implications on how the sales capacity will be like moving forward?

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Yes. Well, we continue to invest in sales capacity, given the opportunities that we see in front of us, what I would -- the only thing I would say on the number, which does tend to fluctuate quarter-to-quarter is we have been increasingly been focused on two things that work against a consistently higher number.

And that is that we're working on overall quality of new customer adds. And secondly, on putting more focus, if you will, than in the past on expansions in existing accounts. So I wouldn't read too much into it. I do expect that with over [ 12:5 ] I'm not sure what the current count is, but somewhere between 12,000 and 13,000 customers now. We're in the back half, if you will, of customer acquisition. And so we should start to see moderating, if you will, of those numbers.

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Yes. Just a quick follow-on to that, too. Look, the customer acquisition count was consistent with what we saw a year ago in Q1. And we're also pleased to Charlie's point on the quality of new customers acquired as we continue to increase our penetration of the Fortune 500 customers.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Mike Cikos from Needham.

[Michael Cikos, analyst]

I just wanted to circle up on one in Flex growth. Just to get a temperature, but how did adoption or growth of one in Flex in the quarter track versus your internal expectations? And then is there any way to think about customers which are adopting, whether it's primarily coming from existing customers or new logo lands. Anything there would be beneficial.

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Charlie, why don't you take adoption first on your view on adoption, I'll hit the comparability.

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Yes, the Q1 adoption was perhaps a bit lower than we might have expected from a Pure seasonality standpoint. But I would say that typically, Well, first of all, the Evergreen One, interestingly, is adopted pretty much equally by both commercial, what we call commercial enterprises mid-market as well as by large enterprises. And in the average quarter, certainly all through last year, we had a mixture of commercial and large deals. in each of the quarters, and that drove a lot of the number.

This quarter was characterized by not having a particularly large deal in Evergreen One, and that compared with last year as having quite a few in that quarter. So yes, we think of it as being just an aberration. As we mentioned, we're still expecting $600 million, roughly speaking, for Evergreen One this year.

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Yes. And I'll double-click on that a little bit. And just in terms of utilization on Evergreen One, that continues to be very strong in terms of deployment of our infrastructure, really following a very strong year last year. But as a reminder, we began providing an annual view of TCV sales for our storage as a service offerings really to help provide insights to our annual revenue growth expectations and providing quarterly updates to monitor progress against our annual expectations against the $600 million in TCV sales that Charlie alluded to.

In Q1, our TCV sales for storage as a service offerings were $56 million, which is a bit of a slower start to the year than we would have liked. However, as we progress throughout Q1, we saw strong demand and pipeline build, including large opportunities for storage as a service offerings and consistent with our original FY '25 forecast, we continue to expect 50% growth of our storage as a service offerings, and we'll continue to provide quarterly updates as we progress through the year.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Asiya Merchant from Citigroup. .

[Asiya Merchant, analyst]

Great. Great results. If I may, at the last quarter, I think you provided when you guys talked about the fiscal '25 guide, I think you provided some -- how to think about the product versus subscription services. If you can kind of double down on that, how we should think about product revenues. They were a little bit stronger than what I was modeling versus subscription that came in maybe slightly lower. So maybe if you can just help us understand how we should think about the trajectory of those too, that would be great.

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Sure. Well, if you think about a transaction, any individual transaction, it will be generally one or the other.

In the case of a CapEx transaction, there's a subscription component to it, but it's much smaller. And in the case of an Evergreen One transaction, there'll be no immediate revenue associated with it, but of course, a higher amount of subscription on an annual basis.

And so from our standpoint, we want to provide the customer whichever one of those services that they prefer, while we have some incentives in for the sales force to sell the subscription, we certainly don't want to lose a deal for -- with a customer that wants to buy on a CapEx basis. And so all else being equal, if we see, assuming we're winning at the same rate, if we see slower uptake on the subscription, we'll still win the deal in CapEx, we'll see a somewhat overachievement on the revenue line in the immediate term, whereas we see greater uptake on Evergreen One,

We'll see a lower effect on revenue in the immediate term. So that's the right way to think about it. We've given a number out before. It's a rough number, but about 70% the value of a CapEx deal of a -- sorry, of a subscription deal would go to CapEx if it were a CapEx deal.

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Yes. I think just taking a step back from what we discussed last quarter to kick off the fiscal year, I think it is better to look at this from a total revenue standpoint in terms of the bridging and that bridging, assuming we achieve the expectations of $600 million in TCV sales for our subscription as a service, would be -- we put the total revenue around mid-teens growth, and that thesis has not changed. I think when you start looking specifically at product revenue, I would tell you that we are quite pleased with what we saw in Q1 from a product revenue growth rate perspective. .

[Operator]

Next question comes from Nehal Chokshi from Northland Capital Markets.

[Nehal Chokshi, analyst]

And strong results or congratulations. Not sure if you covered this, but given the strong results above guidance results, why are you not changing your fiscal year guidance for average both on the top and bottom line?

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Yes. Thanks for the question. And yes, we are definitely pleased with the strong start to the year, as you point out, both with top line and operating profit outperforming, but overall, at this stage, we believe reiterating our annual guide is appropriate. When you think about it from a revenue lens, Q1 performance provides us with increasing confidence for the remainder of the year.

But considerations also include that Q1 is generally our seasonally slowest quarter in the year. And also, as we previously discussed, TCV sales expectations for our storage as a service offerings also have an impact on our annual revenue guide expectations, and we'll want to see how that plays out as well. When we think about it from an operating profit, lens, the strength was driven by a few key factors, including revenue performance, gross margin strength.

And while our hiring is strong, we're also seeing some financial benefit as a result of some workforce alignment adjustments during Q4 of last year. While reiterating our annual operating margin guide, we're also planning to increase investments in some key areas in engineering and go-to-market specific to AI and the opportunity we see specific with hyperscalers, providing our purity and DirectFlash technology for both their high-performance and bulk storage environments.

[Operator]

Next question comes from Simon Leopold from Raymond James.

[Simon Leopold, analyst]

I don't want to ask such a backward-looking question. But essentially the 10% customer disclosure for the prior fiscal year makes me wonder what's your customer concentration like now? And how do you think about how that concentration might evolve over the next year or so?

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Yes. Thanks for the question. Yes, we did disclose in our 10-K that we filed last year that we had a 10% customer. Mix in terms of concentration remains relatively consistent and we did not have a 10% customer in terms of revenue concentration this quarter.

[Simon Leopold, analyst]

And your outlook?

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

We don't provide outlook on concentration.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from David Vogt from UBS.

[David Vogt, analyst]

And this is for both Kevan and Giancarlo. Maybe can you just talk about the TCV sort of trajectory that you expect this year? Obviously, you disclosed a number of $56 million in your prepared remarks. I'm just trying to think about how the timing of this sort of ratable or the subscription business starts to flow into the business as we move through the rest of this fiscal year.

And is there the expectation that there is sort of an acceleration of demand as maybe the storage market gets a bit healthier as we move into the latter half of calendar '24 into early '25?

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Well, I want to separate out the -- because your question was a bit ambiguous. In terms of the $56 million related to TCV, new TCV and as we go through the year, we are expecting $600 million or at least we're forecasting $600 million for the full year, and we're sticking to that. We think it will pick up. We think there's really more timing issue associated with Q1.

But on an overall actual revenue component for the year. Now we have total subscriptions, which include Evergreen One, Evergreen Forever, Evergreen Flex as well as our Portworx products and Cloud Block Store, that is approaching 50%. It's in the 40s, we expect in the 40s this year. That's approaching 50%. And as we go into next year and beyond, we do expect to see it increase above 50% as a whole. So of course, we're a seasonal business as we go through the year. We're expecting sales of both product and services to increase through the year. But as I said, we expect the proportion of the subscription revenue to continue to increase.

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

And then when we're thinking -- yes, just a quick clarification. When we're thinking about TCV sales for storage as a service offering. We've talked about contract duration associated with those TCV sales. And we haven't had any meaningful change around 3 years is what we've disclosed.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Aaron Rakers from Wells Fargo.

[Aaron Rakers, analyst]

I apologize if I missed this earlier, I jumped on a few things here. I'm curious about the AI discussion. There seems to be just like this inflection around AI infrastructure, maybe vectoring for AI training, driving a lot of demand for increased capacity point for FSPs and just flash storage. I'm curious if can you give us any kind of updated thoughts on the road map of your DFM and whether or not you're starting to see some kind of an acceleration or inflection just demand pull for these higher and higher capacity points?

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

You bet. Let me start talk about the demand for AI for training environments. As we look at training environments, and I think we now have a pretty good and broad understanding of what the average, if you will, training environment looks like. And what we see is that the dollar attached to an AI training environment after you've paid for the GPUs and the networking and the racks and so forth, is in the 5% to 10% range.

So perhaps a bit less than the market might be anticipating, but we're fairly confident that the total storage attach, at least in the near term, or AI training is in that 5% to 10% range. Part of the reason for that, by the way, is just the expense right now of the GPUs themselves. So that sort of puts it in perspective overall. That being said, we think that probably in the past 12 months, about $1 billion was spent on storage specifically tied to AI training environments. Again, that might be a bit less than people expect. But I think our data on that is very, very good. So that gives you a sense of current order of magnitude. I'm going to pass yes, I'm sorry? I'm going to pass to Rob on the current status of our technology.

[Robert Lee, executive]

Yes, Aaron, this is Rob. And I think the specific to the first part of your question asking about hey, so what are the training environments, these large-scale build-outs, what are we seeing in terms of the demand environment for SSDs and in particular, the larger capacity SSDs. Certainly, most of the high-performance training environments, whether they're provided by us or built by other -- either the customer or other vendors are generally residing on SSDs.

We are seeing some of the larger SSDs, -- larger capacity SSDs being deployed in some of these very specific environments, specifically because of the efficiencies and power limitations that exist in these environments, right, the amount of GPUs that are being built out frankly, are sucking up all the power out there. Most of these customers are struggling to power these build-outs and the efficiencies that the larger capacity drives enable is something that -- well, I think it's a great validation point for our long-term strategy.

Now on the flip side of this, the flip side of this is that what allows us to provide these large SSDs with all of the commensurate benefits in terms of performance, power savings and efficiency is our DirectFlash software. Without that direct software, the large capacity commodity SSDs simply can't provide these benefits. And so as a result, they're inherently less efficient. They come with significant trade-offs and they're very, very difficult to use, which is why we see them only being deployed in very specific environments.

[Paul Ziots, executive]

Aaron, if you'd like to do a follow-up, we'd love to have you get back in queue. I think we might be able to get to it today. So thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Mehdi Hosseini from Susquehanna International Group.

[Mehdi Hosseini, analyst]

Given your Q1 performance, especially with revenue mix and your fiscal year, it seems to me that product revenue should be flat for fiscal year '25 and the growth primarily driven by services revenue. And given the higher gross margin associated with services, that should help with some gross margin expansion. Is that the right frame of mind for the fiscal year?

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Yes, I think directionally, you're thinking about that, right?

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Eric Martinuzzi from Lake Street.

[Eric Martinuzzi, analyst]

Yes. Take note of the incremental increase there in your Fortune 500 customers, four new Fortune 500 customers. So curious to know across your larger new customer growth, are you seeing any commonality in the use cases for why these new customers are showing up at your door?

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Yes. Honestly, it's the fact that we are able to provide them a solution that is, first of all, more consistent across the wide variety of use cases that they have, block file and object that's managed by a common operating environment and the same -- and a single management system, and we're able to do so with a product that's simpler, more reliable and takes less space power and cooling. So you add those things together, it's a pretty good value proposition. That's hard to beat.

[Eric Martinuzzi, analyst]

But there wasn't anything like AI training environment was the thing that opened the door or something like that?

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

I'd say there are multiple entrances. And yes, sometimes it might be the AI environment that gets the customer to be interested. But honestly, it really is the new positioning of the company of being able to satisfy a broad range, which helps in the AI environment because one way of building your storage environment for AI is to make a copy of all the data you think you might want to use and put it on to a brand-new array that array is connected to your AI environment.

What we're proposing is don't bother doing that upgrade the arrays that you have in place and make them available and accessible to your AI application inference environment. It's a strategy that costs less. It's a strategy that enables more access to real-time data and its strategy that at the same time, simplifies their environment. So again, I think it's the total value proposition. And you're right, the entrance in might be opened up by a different door or window in the customer's environment. But I would say there's no big theme out of this.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Krish Sankar from TB Cowen. Okay. Let's go to the next question.

Our next question comes from Tim Long from Barclays.

[Timothy Long, analyst]

Just a question on the effect that can talk about kind of the AI and hyperscale opportunities, Charlie, I understand you look at them a little bit differently. But thinking back to the rev recognition you guys had with Meta. It seems like each one had a little bit different margin profile in it. So just curious, when you start looking at these new opportunities, particularly in the hyperscaler side, replacing [ dip ], do you have any sense what the model, financial model for Pure will look like there?

I imagine it's going to be a much different dynamic than just selling arrays into enterprises. So I know it is early days, but anything high level you can talk about how dealing with these much larger customers with kind of different business model than what you're currently seeing? How would that play into the current framework of Pure?

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Yes. Thanks. So I'm going to take two separately. AI and the hyperscaler. So in the case of AI, we've now largely made changes internally to the company where that will flow pretty much at the normal gross margins of the company. They may be a bit lower, but overall, not going to affect the margins of the company as a whole.

I would say that on the hyperscaler front, we're still evaluating different ways of working with these hyperscalers, and they won't be the same they'll be different. And until we actually get to the point where we understand exactly how they want to buy and how we can provide, we can't really say right now, but once we do, we'll certainly have a model that we provide you all with -- at the earliest possible date.

[Paul Ziots, executive]

Thank you, Tim. It looks like there's one more question. Asiya, thank you very much for getting back in queue. This is your follow-up question.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Asiya Merchant from Citigroup.

[Asiya Merchant, analyst]

Okay. Great. I apologize if you just been asked, but the upside in the gross margin on both, if you can just unpack that and how we should think about it in the outer quarters. Clearly, 1Q is soft, and you're expecting revenues to increase from here on just seasonally as well, how we should think about product gross margins as well as subscription gross margin in the outer quarters.

[Kevan Krysler, executive]

Yes. This is Kevan. When we think about the strength that we're seeing on gross margins, both product and subscription, I would say that we wouldn't be expecting any meaningful changes as we progress through the year. I do think that we've commented on being aggressive in pricing with our price performance solutions, whether that's our E Family or FlashArray C, and we'll continue to do that. But overall, we would not expect significant or meaningful changes one way or the other.

[Paul Ziots, executive]

Before we conclude, I think Charlie has some concluding remarks.

[Charles Giancarlo, executive]

Yes. Thank you all for joining us again on today's earnings call. I think as we've discussed, our platform strategy continues to lead the industry's transformation by enabling businesses to embrace this change with AI with a unified of versatile, energy-efficient platform that really allows them to look at their data centers and cloud environments as a single cloud of storage.

I do look forward to meeting with you all with our customers and partners and investors at our annual Accelerate conference in Las Vegas next month. And we're going to be also on some roadshows throughout the globe, well, you'll be able to learn more about the investments that we're making to continue to lead innovation in the industry and hear more about the Pure Storage platform. So I hope to see you all next month. Thank you so much for joining and talk to you later.

[Operator]

That concludes the Pure Storage First Quarter Fiscal 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.