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Earnings Call Analysis
Q2-2024 Analysis
OFG Bancorp
OFG Bancorp reported exceptional results for the second quarter of 2024, showcasing a significant growth trajectory. The bank's earnings per share (EPS) reached $1.08, a robust increase of over 16% year-over-year. Core revenues also showed a healthy year-over-year rise, increasing by more than 5% to $179.4 million. This impressive performance can be attributed to consistent growth in loans, deposits, and non-interest income, all while maintaining stable credit quality.
OFG's capital position remains robust, with a Common Equity Tier 1 (CET1) ratio of 14.29%. This strong capital base has facilitated the execution of a $50 million share buyback program, of which $24.3 million has already been utilized in the open market. The bank emphasizes a commitment to returning capital to shareholders through both share buybacks and dividends, showcasing a balanced approach to capital management.
Total assets at OFG Bancorp increased to $11.3 billion, marking a 12% growth from the previous year. Loans held for investment totaled $7.6 billion, witnessing new loan production of $589 million. Deposits also rose to $9.6 billion thanks, in part, to strong commercial deposit growth. The expectation is set for 3% to 4% loan growth for the full year, indicating a positive outlook for credit activity.
OFG continues to gain traction in its digital-first strategy, achieving remarkable shifts in customer behavior. As of Q2 2024, 94% of routine retail customer transactions were conducted through digital channels. Recent product launches, such as the Elite deposit account, aim to deepen customer relationships by rewarding users for expanded interactions with the bank. Such innovations underscore OFG's commitment to remain competitive and relevant in a rapidly evolving financial landscape.
The net interest margin for the quarter stood at 5.51%, reflecting a strategic shift as the bank navigates interest rate fluctuations. The bank anticipates net interest margins to remain within the range of 5.45% to 5.55%. Additionally, OFG projects non-interest expenses to average between $90 million and $92 million per quarter moving forward, demonstrating a careful balancing of investment in technology against operational costs.
Looking ahead, OFG maintains a positive outlook for both its business and the broader Puerto Rican economy, which is decoupling from mainland economic uncertainties. The bank expects continued growth driven by ongoing infrastructure projects, business investments, and increasing employment levels. Their strategy reflects a confident stance in managing potential macroeconomic challenges, ensuring they remain agile and responsive to market conditions.
OFG reported stable credit quality metrics, with net charge-offs totaling $15 million—down $5 million from the prior quarter. The bank's non-performing loan rate of 1.08% reflects effective credit management. Insights into consumer behavior indicate a positive trajectory, bolstered by rising wages and lower unemployment in Puerto Rico, supporting the bank's outlook on credit quality.
Good morning. Thank you for joining OFG Bancorp's conference call. My name is Savannah, I will be your operator today. Our speakers are José Rafael Fernández, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of Board of Directors; Maritza Arizmendi, Chief Financial Officer; and Cesar Ortiz, Chief Risk Officer. A presentation accompanies today's remarks and it can be found on the home page of the OFG website under the Second Quarter 2024 section.
This call may feature certain forward-looking statements about management's goals, plans and expectations. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties outlined in the Risk Factors section of the OFG's SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially from those currently anticipated. We disclaim any obligation to update the information disclosed in this call as a result of developments that occur afterward.
[Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Fernandez.
Good morning, and thank you for joining us. We are pleased to report our second quarter 2024 results, which demonstrate the strength of our strategies and franchise, both in line with our short-term and long-term plans. Performance for the quarter was exceptional. We generated consistent growth through increased loans, deposits and noninterest income and stable credit quality. .
Our digital-first strategy continues to help us expand our retail and business relationships, and we deployed close to half of our $50 million share buyback program purchasing $24.3 million of OFG shares in the open market. At the same time, Puerto Rico's economy continued to grow and steadily decoupled from mainland economic uncertainties. I want to thank the entire OFG team for their commitment to our mission and purpose, which is to make progress possible for our customers, employees, shareholders and the communities we serve.
Please turn to Page 3 for a summary of our second quarter results. Looking at the income statement. Earnings per share diluted increased more than 16% year-over-year to $1.08 on on a more than 5% increase in total core revenues to $179.4 million. Net interest margin was 5.51%. Provision was $15.6 million. Noninterest expenses were $93 million and pre-provision net revenues totaled close to $87 million.
Turning to the balance sheet. Total assets were $11.3 billion, up 12% from a year ago and 1% less than last quarter. Customer deposits were $9.6 billion, including strong commercial deposit growth. Loans held for investment totaled $7.6 billion and new loan production was a solid $589 million. Investments were level with the first quarter at $2.5 billion and cash at $740 million, was down slightly from last quarter.
Looking at capital, the CET1 ratio was 14.29%. Let's turn to Page 4 for an update on our Digital First strategy. As of the second quarter, 94% of all routine retail customer transactions, 96% of retail deposit transactions and 66% of retail loan payments were made through our digital and self-service channels. This is being driven by year-over-year growth of 13% in digital enrollment, 69% in digital loan payments, 26% in virtual teller utilization and 4% in customer growth.
During the second quarter, we launched the Elite deposit account for retail customers, a combined checking and savings account that rewards customers for expanding their relationship with Oriental. This represents a unique value proposition in our market. ELiTE offers an exclusive combination of benefits, in particular, cash back on loan payments and full digital account opening and funding.
For small business commercial clients, we upgraded Oriental Biz, a complete cash management platform easily accessible through mobile devices with access to remote check deposit. Small businesses now have a complete set of tools to manage their finances anywhere, anytime. We are very excited with the customer reception so far of both products.
Our strategy is to continue to take advantage of our unique position in the Puerto Rico market. This includes leveraging our technology investments, our entrepreneurial culture and our client-centric challenger approach. All this to provide customers with products and services that incentivizes them to deepen their relationship with us. We focus on doing it in a way that is fast, easy, agile and delivers added value. Now here is Maritza to go over the financials in more detail.
Thank you, Jose. Please turn to Page 5 to review our financial highlights. Starting with the components of core revenues. Total interest income was $188 million, up more than 2% or more than $4 million from the first quarter. That mainly reflected higher income from loans due to higher average balances and yields and $2.1 million from recovery of a nonaccrual U.S. commercial loan paid in full.
Total interest expense was [ $40 ] million, an increase of $1 million from the first quarter. This reflected higher average core deposits and a 7 basis point increase in rates, partially offset by lower average wholesale funding and rate. Total banking and financial service revenues were $32 million, an increase of $2 million from the first quarter, with higher banking service, wealth management and mortgage banking revenues. Banking and service revenues included $600,000 in prepayment fees on U.S. loans.
Wealth Management included $500,000 in annual recognition of certain commercial insurance fees. Looking at net interest expenses, they totaled $93 million, up $1.6 million from the first quarter. Expenses included $1.3 million in higher electronic banking fees due to increased business activity. $1.1 million in different categories of professional services due to improved service to improve business processes. And $400,000 in higher FDIC insurer now that Oriental is more than a $10 billion in assets.
This was partially offset by $1.4 million due to higher gain on sale of preprocessed properties and lower compensation expenses related to reduced [indiscernible] payroll expenses. The second quarter efficiency ratio was 61.81% a 68 basis point improvement for the second -- from the first quarter. As revenues continues to expand, we are incrementally investing in our digital first strategy by adding new technology and investing in people. We expect to average $90 million to $92 million of noninterest expense per quarter, the rest of this year, with the efficiency ratio remaining lever with the second quarter.
Other performance metrics remained high. Return on average assets was 1.82%. Return on average tangible common equity was 18.24% and tangible book value per share continued to climb to $24.18, up $0.63 from the first quarter. Please turn to Page 6 to review our operational highlights. Average loan balances were $7.6 billion, increasing 1% from the first quarter.
End-of-period balances of loans held for investment increased 1.3% or $100 million. This reflected sequential growth in Puerto Rico commercial, auto and consumer loans, partially offset by regular pay downs of residential mortgages and prepayment of approximately $66 million of U.S. commercial loans. Year-over-year, second quarter loans held for investment increased more than 7%.
[indiscernible] yield was [indiscernible], up 70 basis points from the first quarter. This included the previously mentioned U.S. loan recovery represented 11 basis points. New loan origination increased $52 million from the first quarter. Production increased sequentially across all categories, led by a strong quarter for Auto. We have a strong pack line in commercial and continue to anticipate [indiscernible] production will moderate. Average core deposits were $9.6 billion, up $67 million from the first quarter. End-of-period balances increased $59 million or 0.6%. This reflected a $125 million increase in commercial deposits, partially offset by a decline of $53 million in retail deposits and a $12 million decline in government deposits.
Core deposits were 154 basis points, up 7 basis points from the first quarter. That's the smallest sequential increase over the last 5 quarters. Excluding public funds, cost of deposit was 87 basis points compared to 82 basis points. Average borrowings and broker deposits were $221 million compared to $280 million in the first quarter. The June period balances was $201 million. The rate paid on wholesale funding decreased 18 basis points to 4.62% in the second quarter.
Investment securities held steady from the first quarter at $2.5 billion. During the second quarter, a $200 million treasury notes yielding 3.3% that matured in May was replaced with $200 million of government insured mortgage-backed securities yielding 5.6%. With this, we extended asset duration at a higher [indiscernible] to lower our asset sensitivity.
Net interest margin was 5.51%. Excluding the U.S. loan recovery, net interest margin was 5.44%. Please turn to Page 5 to review our credit quality and capital strength. Credit quality continues to be stable. Net charge-offs totaled $15 million, down $5 million from the first quarter. The net charge-off rate was 79 basis points, down 26 basis points. Auto and consumer net charge-off rates were both down sequentially.
The auto net charge-off rate is now below the last 2 quarters. While there are some time delays in payments, the business is well managed. Provision for credit losses totaled $15.6 million, up $500,000 for the first quarter. Second quarter provision mainly reflected loan volumes. Looking at other credit metrics, early and total delinquency rates were up from the first quarter at 2.81% and 3.71%, respectively. In line with trends we have seen over the last 5 quarters. The nonperforming loan rate of 1.08% was the lowest of the last -- over the last 5 quarters.
Looking at some other capital metrics, total stockholders equity increased about $12 million from the end of last quarter and the tangible common equity ratio increased to 10.09%. Our second quarter effective tax rate was 28.2% compared to 26.8% in the first quarter. We continue to expect a full year ETR of 29% in 2024. The second quarter included a $800,000 benefit from a tax credit and the first quarter included a $1.1 million discrete benefit from stock [indiscernible].
To sum up to sum up, during the second quarter, net interest income continued to grow based on increased volume of interest-earning assets partially offset by lower net interest margin year-over-year. This mainly reflected higher balances and yields of loans partially offset by higher moderating core deposit costs. The core deposit trends continue to be positive, benefiting from commercial deposit growth. Loans remain strong. We continue to be on track for 3% to 4% growth this year.
Credit quality remains stable and is expected to continue that way. Our net interest margin outlook continues to be a range of 5.45% to 5.55%. We expect the full benefit from the most recent change in our investment portfolio in the third quarter. We continue to expect [indiscernible] Federal Reserve Bank rate cost of 25 basis points each. Our anticipated range of noninterest expense continued to be $90 million to $92 million as we invest in technology.
While we bought back shares during the second quarter, we remain opportunistic regarding capital allocation, ranging from capital from Puerto Rico and U.S. loan growth to dividends and continued share buybacks. Now here is Jose.
Thank you, Maritza. Please turn to Page 8. Our outlook for both Puerto Rico and OFG is positive. As I mentioned earlier, the island's economy is continuing to grow and steadily decouple from mainland economic uncertainties. We're seeing ongoing expansion of infrastructure projects and business investments and strong levels of employment. So we are very optimistic about Puerto Rico and its future. .
Having said that, we continue to be vigilant regarding the big macro uncertainties, interest rate changes, inflation, possible mainland recession and ongoing geopolitical conflicts. Turning to OFG. We're well positioned to continue to benefit from the growth of loans, deposits and our customer base. Consumer credit trends should continue at current levels. Our digital-first strategy is working. So we will continue to invest in and deploy customer innovations to build out our differentiated business model. Overall, we look forward to a strong second half of 2024.
In addition, we'll be celebrating our 60th anniversary in business and our 30th year of OFG shares trading on the newer Stock Exchange. In closing, I want to emphasize that our results could not have been achieved without the hard work and dedication of all our team members, including our Board of Directors. We are thankful to them, and we're excited for what's to come. With this, we end our formal presentation. Operator, please start the Q&A.
[Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Timur Braziler with Wells Fargo.
Maybe starting out on the remaining 6 asset repricing opportunity. I appreciate the comments on the $200 million of treasury maturities reinvested during the quarter. I guess, what's the cadence look like for the remainder of the year, both for planned bond maturities and fixed loan maturities.
So Timur, in terms of our investment portfolio, we really do not have any immediate second half of the year specific maturities. We do have repayments of our mortgage book, our mortgage-backed securities book of around $20 million to $22 million a month. So our way of looking at this is we -- we have the opportunity of kind of maintaining our treasury book when I call it treasury, I mean investment book as part of our asset management -- asset and liability management approach.
In terms of the loans, we really do not have any fixed rate loan maturity large ones, I should say, coming up. So from our perspective, the second half of the year, it's about loan origination and how we continue to generate good origination levels at a good yield. And on the treasury side, or investment side, be very opportunistic as we have been in the past when we had lots amounts of cash, and we decided not to go long duration. So we are now benefiting from those decisions that we made a couple of years ago. And -- and we're -- we've been doing it in the last several months investing longer duration and having less asset sensitivity than we had last year, significantly less.
Got it. And then maybe just looking at the deposit base, the large public fund deposit that came in, in the fourth quarter. Is that just in the run rate now? Or is there still an expectation that a larger slug of that is going to come out? Because it seems like it's been embedded in that base maybe longer than initially you expected.
That's a great point, Timur, and thank you for bringing it up. We have been guiding that the deposit would probably mostly flow out in the second half of this year. Now we have been updated from the government account that at least until September. So we will be having the deposit in our books at least until September, and that's already included in some of the guidance that Maritza gave throughout her comments in terms of net interest margin as well as cost of funds. So that deposit, it's collateralized. So it also has a little bit of a -- the second question -- your second question has a little bit of a a relationship to the first question.
Part of our cautiousness in terms of the investment book has a lot to do with the $1 billion deposit that is collateralized with pretty much investment securities. So those are kind of a little bit of the things that we're kind of managing in the next 3 or 4 months, and we'll keep everyone updated on how that deposit plays out. The good thing is that, that deposit is parable. It's indexed. So in the next 3 months, we will have a lower cost of that deposit if the Fed delivers on what the market is expecting and the 3 [indiscernible] the 3 interest rate cuts that they're forecasting that they would do in the second half of the year. So we'll keep everyone updated with that. But for now, we're basically managing the relationship with a great customer of ours for a long time.
Great. And then just last question for me is on the credit front. Really nice results this quarter, good commentary for expectations in the back end of the year. Maybe just give us an update as to what's happening with the Puerto Rico consumer and some of the volatility maybe we saw over the last 3, 4 quarters, has much of that abated now? Or do you feel like the seasoning of some of the higher COVID-related spend has now worked its way through the system. Just give us an update as to what's happening on the ground in Puerto Rico from a credit standpoint.
Sure. So I'll give you some big picture kind of macro Puerto Rico perspective, and I'll ask Cesar to give you some specifics about our consumer loan books. From the big picture, Timur, most of the COVID incentives and all the cash that came in, it's flushed through. And I -- what the economy is seeing from the consumer is a consumer that is also benefiting from higher wages and the minimum wage being increased here. I mentioned in other calls, where the magnitude percentage-wise of that increase in Puerto Rico is significantly larger than in the states. So the impact is also larger.
So we see higher wages. We see lower unemployment levels. So all that is what's kind of keeping the consumer healthy in terms of their finances. So now for our auto and consumer kind of perspective in terms of the loan book, I'll let Cesar give you some details.
So for Auto, but let's start with auto with the bigger portfolio. We continue to see stabilizing nonperforming loan rates on auto. First quarter is usually a better season quarter than the rest of the year because of the tax season. We discussed this last quarter. So the second quarter with the holidays in place, the customer tends to slow down in terms of collections, what the nonperforming loans continue to be positive and stable. For those portfolio, consumer and auto. So we remain positive on the outlook for credit.
Remember also that we converted the auto portfolio from a subprime -- [indiscernible] prime portfolio during 3 years ago and now it's 84% prime and superprime portfolio, which is improving the charge of levels, too. So we are seeing charge-off levels stabilizing and improving too. So again, we are positive on the outlook for the retail portfolio side. On the other hand, commercial portfolios are also benefiting from the macroeconomics of Puerto Rico. We continue to see good opportunities in the pipeline, but also good behavior in terms of the credit in the commercial portfolio, both small businesses and corporate portfolios.
Our next question will come from Brett Rabatin with Hovde Group.
I wanted just to start off on the loan growth outlook for the back half of the year. And I missed, I couldn't quite hear the numerical guidance for the back half of the year and I wanted just to see what the outlook was specifically on the commercial side. Auto has obviously been a strong driver here in the past year, but I just wanted to hear if the commercial activity in Puerto Rico, specifically might be stronger and just how you guys think about that portfolio?
Yes. So the first part of the question, we expect 3% to 4% loan growth for the full year. So the second half of the year will be impacted positively by our commercial pipelines. We have seen some delays in some of the closings of some loans that we had in the pipeline in June -- in the June quarter. but we expect them to be closing in the September quarter, and we still have a very strong pipeline.
We are seeing a lot of activity in Puerto Rico in the commercial side, small as well as mid- and larger type of credits. We're really encouraged with the small business and their origination levels. We've had consecutive record origination levels in 3 quarters in a row. And these are mostly, I would say, fixed rate loans that are small. We're growing our small business clients through the small biz account that I mentioned in my comments, and it's giving us the opportunity to expand those relationships and deepen those relationships.
On the larger type of sectors that we have, we do have a very strong pipeline, and we had a great quarter. We think that the second half of the year is commercial as a whole is going to drive our loan growth for the rest of the year. We do expect auto to taper down a little bit from the levels that we saw in the second quarter.
Okay. That's helpful. And then on capital, any thoughts on the buyback from here and just the capital levels are obviously robust, but I know you kind of keep them that way in Puerto Rico.
Yes. So the way we look at capital, we first goes to loans. We are seeing a great opportunity here in Puerto Rico. We've kind of stay a little bit timid on the U.S., given the uncertainties in that market in the last, let's say, 12 months, and that's why you're seeing that portfolio kind of stay steadily downwards.
But first, for us, capital deployment goes to loans and growing the relationships and taking advantage of the economic situation in Puerto Rico and helping our customers and the communities. So that's number one, and then we take a look at capital from a dividend perspective. And as you saw, our results are pretty strong, and we are pretty confident about the overall perspective of OFG. So we will continue to look at the dividend as well as the buyback. We executed -- I am happy to say that we executed 50% of our buyback program in the past quarter. And as you can imagine, the -- the cost of that -- the average cost of the shares that we bought at was extremely accretive to us for sure.
And so we're really happy with the way we've managed capital and we recognize that we have excess capital. So our earnings are going to be significantly returned back to shareholders on a consistent basis.
Okay. If I could sneak in one last one just on the expense guidance. If I heard it correctly, it was $92 million a quarter for the back half. I wanted to confirm that. And then I know it's way too early to think about '25 guidance, but essentially has the platform been invested to the point where you don't have new initiatives that you need to do on technology or other things that might lead to a lift in expenses maybe in '25 relative to the path of '24?
So big picture, and I'll let Maritza give you the details. The big picture is that I don't think we can say we're going to stop investing in technology because it's -- it's kind of a stable stakes and/or [indiscernible] stakes for everyone. So -- and it's part of our strategy, right? We have a different business strategy in our market here in Puerto Rico that requires us to have less branches, but also making sure that we're at the -- at the front end of the investments in technology. So that is a good size and it's not so good size because we need to invest in technology.
But I have to add one more thing, and that is its people and the culture. And I think the way we have led the bank in the last couple of decades is -- how do we make sure that our culture is an entrepreneurial culture with a dynamic, agile kind of approach to business and to look out for the opportunities, but also to transform the way we do banking. And we are really proud of what we have accomplished so far, and that will require us to not lower the guard and we're going to have to continue to invest in technology.
Having said that, I'll let Maritza give you a little bit of her take on [indiscernible] in 2024. And for 2025, I agree with you. It's a little too early for us to give you guidance.
So on the guidance, we are -- we shared with you in the prepared remarks is that we're expecting $90 million to $92 million range in expenses. This quarter particularly was a little bit higher than that because of [indiscernible] particularly, we continue investing in improving processes. So we did have some higher expenses over that range, but we expect that this will be the average range for the next 2 quarters as timing of this investment will define if it is $90 million of $92 million, but we wanted to share that with you, okay?
And Brett, if I could add one more thing in terms of technology and investments and net interest expenses. I don't know if you realize this, but we have the capability to open retail and commercial accounts digitally from soup to nuts. And right now, around 20% of our retail customers opened their checking accounts digitally. So around 14% or 13% commercial, small commercial clients do so. That's a differentiator in this market. And that's how we view this.
This is the reason why it's a differentiator is because we have steadily been investing in the technologies that are required. So I'm not emphasizing this to hedge expenses going forward. I'm just emphasizing this to make the point that we have a differentiated strategy. And I think it's played out very nicely, and we look forward to continue to expand it.
And our next question will come from Kelly Motta with KBW.
Capital is really strong, and you guys well time on the buyback and such. Just wondering, as you look ahead, given your kind of low mid-single-digit loan growth outlook organically, Wondering if there's any opportunities to utilize some of your capital to maybe bolt-on business or portfolio. Just wondering if we could get an update on any thoughts around something of that nature.
Yes. At this time, Kelly, we do not have anything that we're looking at inorganically. That's what you're referring to in terms of a book of loans or a portfolio or a business. We are growing our customers organically, a clip of 4% and and we're deploying our strategy to deepen the relationships of pretty much our existing customers because we have a great opportunity there to deepen those relationships and extract more and more business from them. So no, we do not have anything to deploy the, let's call it, excess capital. But we do have dry powder. So we will be opportunistic and we will have the excess capital to take advantage immediately of any opportunity that presents to ourselves.
Awesome. And Clearly, it was another great quarter from you guys. You guys continue to execute very nicely. Just from a high level, Jose [indiscernible], I'm wondering as you look ahead beyond just this year, like what makes you the most excited at OFG and maybe where do you see the greatest opportunities to gain share or build out a business. Just wondering if you could give us any insight into that from a high level.
Sure. To me, the outlook for the next 3 to 5 years and what gets me excited and the team excited is deploying our strategy, Kelly. It's working. We're seeing it. Our customers, our net customer is growing -- it's not going to happen in one month or one quarter, but we are steadily executing on our strategy and steadily executing on our business development approach, and it's working and it's building. So that is really exciting for us. And for us, banking has become boring, but that's great because in the past, we -- our strategy in Puerto Rico, when the macros were not as good as they are right now, they were really bad. The strategy was acquisitions, and we did 3, and we're very happy with those 3 acquisitions. Now, it's about blocking and tackling and executing on a differentiated strategy, and that really keeps me going and keeps our executive team and the whole bank going. And so we're really excited about the prospects for the next 3 to 5 years.
Great. Well, we love boring when it's working so well. Maybe last question for me. Maybe for Maritza, I appreciate the color around margin. I think you reiterated [ 545 to 555. ] Just wondering, within that range, what do you think are the biggest drivers that could get you to the top end versus the bottom end? Is it deposit costs kind of stabilizing? Is it a function of putting on new growth at higher rates than on the top end of that, just trying to ballpark the greatest variance between both ends of that range.
Thanks for the question. And I think this quarter reflects what is the driver is the loan growth and the higher yield. Our loan book, excluding the recovery is about 8%. So -- and every quarter, we're growing an inch on the proportion of that loan book in the total balance sheet. So -- so that combining with the fact that cost of funds are stabilizing and not growing at the same pace as the prior quarter. They make -- that will make us move to the upper range of the money. But as we're managing different [indiscernible] market is one that we are looking at, and we are expecting 3 cuts.
And within that range that I provided you, that is another factor. But I think loan growth will be the main driver.
And Kelly, also in the last 8 or 10 months, we have kind of gone longer duration and fixed investment -- fixed rate investment mortgage-backed securities, which has allowed us to reduce significantly our asset sensitivity. I think you'll get the 10-Q and you'll get the update. But our asset sensitivity has reduced quite a bit, and it's less of on an environment where interest rates are going to be going down as the Fed is kind of signaling, I think we're also well positioned to manage that.
[Operator Instructions] And at this time, there are no further questions. I will turn the call back to management for closing remarks.
Thank you, operator. Thanks again to all our team members and to all our stakeholders for listening today. Looking forward to catching up with you guys at the end of the third quarter. Have a great day.
And this will conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.