Materion Corp

NYSE:MTRN

Earnings Call Transcript 2021-Q3

[Operator]

Greetings, and welcome to the Materion Corporation Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, John Zaranec, Vice President of Corporate Controller, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

[John Zaranec]

Good morning, and thank you, everyone, for joining us on our Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. This is John Zaranec, Vice President, Corporate Controller and Investor Relations for Materion Corporation. Before we begin our remarks this morning, I would like to point out that we have posted materials on the company's Web site that we will reference as a part of today's review of the quarterly results. You can also access the materials throughout the download feature on the earnings call webcast link. With me today is Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our format for today's conference call is as follows. Jugal will provide opening comments on the quarter and an update on key strategic initiatives. Following Jugal, Shelly will review the detailed financial results for the quarter, and then we will open the call for questions.

Let me remind investors that any forward-looking statements made in this presentation, including those in the outlook section and during the question-and-answer portion, are based on current expectations. The company's actual future performance may materially differ from that contemplated by the forward-looking statements as a result of a variety of factors. Those factors are listed in the earnings press release we issued this morning. Additionally, comments regarding earnings before interest and taxes, net income and earnings per share reflect the adjusted GAAP numbers shown in attachment 5 in this morning's press release. The adjustments are made in the prior year period for comparative purposes and remove special items, noncash charges and certain discrete income tax adjustments.

And now, I'll turn the call over to Jugal for his comments.

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Thanks, John, and welcome everyone. We are really excited to be with you this morning to share details of our third quarter record performance and to talk more about the acquisition of HCS-Electronic Materials, which closed yesterday. This is an exciting time at Materion. Our sales are at an all time high, our pipeline of organic growth projects is robust and contributing significantly to top line growth. Our plants are performing well and delivering for our customers in some challenging conditions, and we just closed from the largest and most strategically important acquisition in our company's history. We are delivering on all fronts and it's all thanks to our dedicated employees around the world. In the third quarter, we delivered a record $216 million in value added sales, up 31% from prior year. Underlying market demand continues to be strong across many of our key end markets, and we're starting to see recovery in aerospace and oil and gas. Aerospace has now grown year-on-year for two consecutive quarters. Oil & gas saw a second consecutive quarter of growth. But what's most exciting to us is we are outgoing markets as a result of our organic initiatives.

Our focus on investments and R&D over the past few years is paying-off as we are launching more new products and applications than ever before. Applications, which span across all key markets and in support of important megatrends. Our sales into the EV market are doubling for the second consecutive year. Growth in the semiconductor space is far outpacing market as we forge ahead with new applications in support of increased electronics content. Introductions of new products, such as ToughMet 2, are increasing our total addressable market. And our earnings are even more impressive, up 120% year-on-year delivering highest level of EPS at date. Margins are almost 13% approaching our target of mid-teens. To achieve this level of profitability in the face of challenges, such as staffing, supply chain and inflationary pressures, is something we are extremely proud of. We are not immune to these challenges but our teams have stepped up and are delivering for our customers, working closely with our suppliers and maintaining operational excellence.

We continue to effectively manage global supply chains and staffing needs through hard work and proactive planning. Our value-based pricing model, precious metal pass-through agreements and vertical integration continued to assist in mitigating the effects of inflationary pressures, and our teams are keenly focused on operational excellence and effective cost control. Along with our record financial performance, we continue to execute well on our key growth initiatives, including the engineered precision clad strip project. Our new facility is now in the process of commissioning equipment and qualifying products in preparation for serving higher levels of demand next year. We also continue to make other global investments in our facilities and R&D to support our broad growth objectives. In addition to our organic growth investments, we are extremely excited to highlight the completion of the HCS-Electronic Materials acquisition. This highly strategic and transformative addition significantly increases our access to the hydro semiconductor market, and aligns us with the top semiconductor manufacturers globally. We announced the close of the transaction yesterday, and we are even more confident in the combined power of Materion and HCS-Electronic Materials, as we move forward as one company.

As a reminder, HCS-Electronic Materials is a leading provider of high purity tantalum, thin-film materials used in the semiconductor industry, as well as leading edge tantalum and niobium applications for the industrial and aerospace and defense markets. With a state-of-the-art center of excellence with highly skilled and technical talent, HCS-Electronic Materials serves all of the top semiconductor manufacturers globally. With this end market comprising 80% of their sales, there is no market more compelling to us, given the massive growth of chip demand and usage, driven by new technologies we are all exposed to every day. The proliferation of smart devices, high speed connectivity, autonomous driving, artificial intelligence and the cloud, all drive a need for greater computing power, and semiconductors are at the heart of each of these global mega trends.

We expect the demand for semiconductor applications to be sustainable and long lasting. HCS-Electronic Materials is a natural fit for Materion, because it really checks all the boxes for us, it aligns well with our strategy, brings high value proprietary products with critical scale and has compelling financial profile, that will be immediately accretive to earnings and margins. The addition of HCS electronic materials is a right next step for Materion as we accelerate our global leadership as an advanced material solutions provider, well aligned with the evolving growth mega trends. If you missed the announcement of this acquisition in September, I encourage you to visit our investor website for more details.

Now let me share some comments on the remainder of this year and our expectation for full year results. We've delivered three consecutive quarters of exceptional performance and expect to continue this high level of performance as we finish out the year strong. Taking into account normal year end seasonality, we expect Q4 earnings in the range of $0.95 to $1.05, raising our full year guidance once again to $3.73 to $3.83, an increase of 86% from the prior year. I cannot stress how proud I am of our global team’s dedication to meeting our customers’ needs and executing on our organic and inorganic growth initiatives. I'd like to thank our teams for the hard work and dedication as we finish out this record setting year and as we officially welcome the HCS Electronic Materials employees to the Materion family.

Now let me turn the call over to Shelly to cover the financial details.

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

Thanks, Jugal, and welcome to everyone joining us on the call today. During my comments, I will reference the slides posted on our Web site this morning. Starting on Slide 11. As we mentioned, Materion delivered a record quarter for value added sales adjusted EBIT and adjusted EPS. Value added sales which exclude the impact of pass through precious metal costs reached an all-time high of $215.8 million, up 31% from the prior year. The increase was driven by robust demand across several end markets, including semiconductor, automotive, industrial and energy. We delivered an adjusted EBIT margin of 12.9% and record adjusted earnings per share of a $1.10.

Looking at Slide 12, our profitability was impacted by several key factors. Adjusted EBIT in the quarter was $27.8 million, up from $14.1 million last year. Our adjusted EBIT margin of 12.9% represents 430 basis point increase from a year ago. The increase was largely driven by higher volumes, including organic outgrowth, positive mix, improved pricing and favorable operating performance, partially offset by higher SG&A and R&D expenses and plant startup costs related to our new engineered precision clad strip facility. Our team continues to deliver despite operational and supply chain challenges. The increase in SG&A and R&D this quarter represents higher variable compensation and our continued investments in R&D. Despite increased investment, SG&A expense, as a percent of VA sales improved 200 basis points year-on-year when adjusted for special items.

Now let me review third quarter performance by business segments, starting with our Performance Alloys and Composites business on Slide 13. Value added sales were $115.2 million, an increase of 41% compared to last year. The year-over-year increase is driven by strong performance in the automotive, industrial and aerospace and defense end markets, as well as sales to the new engineered precision clad strip customer. We continue to see notable growth in our connector materials for the automotive market, doubling sales to EV specific applications and increasing content across global platforms. Both the aerospace and energy markets continue rebounding from 2020 lows. Value added sales were also favorably impacted by higher beryllium hydroxide shipments and defense program revenue, which will not repeat at the same level in Q4. EBIT, excluding special items, was $20.8 million or 18.1% of value added sales compared to $9.3 million or 11.3% of value added sales in the prior year. The increase was primarily due to increased sales volumes, strong mix and improved operating performance. PAC reported double digit adjusted EBIT margins for the sixth consecutive quarter, up 680 basis points from the prior year.

Now let's turn to Advanced Materials on Slide 14. Value added sales was a quarterly record of $69.7 million, up 27% versus the prior year and exceeding the previous record set in Q2. The increase was driven by accelerating organic initiatives and strong demand across all end market applications. EBIT, excluding special items, was $9.2 million in the quarter compared to $5.8 million in the third quarter last year. Adjusted EBIT margins improved year-over-year by 260 basis points to 13.2%. The improvement in adjusted EBIT margins was due to higher volume, positive pricing and strong mix.

Finally, turning to the Precision Optics segment on Slide 15. Third quarter value added sales were $31.2 million, up 10% compared to the prior year period. The business saw increases across key end markets, including industrial, automotive and consumer electronics, partially offset by declines in medical and defense where some program revenues have developed slower than expected. EBIT, excluding special items, was $3.5 million or 11.2% of value added sales, a sequential improvement of 230 basis points. As a reminder, with Precision Optics being largely project based, the impact of program timing can have a significant impact on mix and margins from quarter-to-quarter. Year-to-date, adjusted EBIT margins are up 30 basis points from prior year and EBITDA margins for this business are a healthy helping 19.9% year-to-date, up 290 basis points versus the prior year.

Moving now to cash, debt and liquidity on Slide 16. We ended the third quarter of 2021 with a net debt position of $61.5 million and approximately $319 million available on the company's credit facility. At the end of the quarter, we were well below our targeted leverage range of 1.5 times to 3 times net debt-to-EBITDA. With the closure of the HCS-Electronic Materials acquisition yesterday, we've included a pro forma column to show leverage is still within the range even with the acquisition layered onto our actual results. Regarding capital allocation, we maintained a disciplined and balanced approach, focusing on organic growth opportunities, returning capital to shareholders through our dividend and the pursuit of strategic inorganic opportunities. We were thrilled to be able to complete the transformational acquisition of HCS-Electronic Materials using an attractive financing structure with an appealing cost of capital. Consistent with our comments over the course of the year, we expect capital sending of around $100 million for 2021. The higher amount is attributed to our strong pipeline of organic growth opportunities, particularly the new engineered precision class strip project, as well as promising opportunities in each of our segments.

Now, let's turn to the guidance summary on Slide 17. We expect to close out this record year strong with fourth quarter earnings in the range of $0.95 to $1.05 per share, an increase of 43% from the prior year at the mid point. This performance reflects normal Q4 seasonality and the Q3 timing of PAC's beryllium hydroxide and defense revenue mentioned earlier. We even included an estimated $0.05 for two months of HCS-Electronic Materials, which is $0.13 without purchase amortization. As a result, we are raising full year 2021 adjusted earnings guidance to $3.73 to $3.83 per share. The midpoint of the revised guidance represents an 86% increase from the prior year. On this slide, we have noted a few modeling assumptions for you. Overall, we expect a very strong finish to 2021, capping off a record year for Materion. We are delivering on our organic and inorganic initiatives and meeting strong end market demand, while continuing to position the company for sustainable profitable growth.

This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open the line for questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Marco Rodriguez with Stonegate Capital Markets.

[Marco Rodriguez, Stonegate Capital Markets]

I was wondering if maybe you guys can spend a little bit of time on some of the constraints that obviously everybody is experiencing and specific maybe on the labor challenges that you might have also been experiencing. And in relation to that if may be you can talk the rising wages that you've kind of had to experience here, and wondering how you are maybe thinking through that rising costs and how you might be able to reduce that impact in the long term?

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Marco, as you noted, I mean, those challenges, I think, are in the industry that seems to be everywhere, both on the supply chain side as well as the labor side. Our team has just done a fantastic job of working through in each of our plants, getting people, getting them trained. It has clearly been a challenge. Training, as you can imagine, has been probably the biggest challenge after finding people. We view there is many creative ways to be able to have job fairs, to incentivize people, to interview with us and then further incentivize people to join our company. And then our team has done a nice job of putting together the training programs, because these jobs require that the folks come in, get the proper training. Safety being our overall overriding priority, making sure that we can do things in a safe way. And so training is important and then getting those people started. So it has been a challenge, no question. But I think the team has done a very nice job, as is demonstrated by I think the sales that we've had across the board and really in all of our markets. With regard to, I think, some of the cost impacts and things, I'll let Shelly maybe just comment on the cost side.

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

So on the wage side, I think every company is dealing with the challenges of how to not only attract but also retain their talent. And so we've been more selective with going through and trying to make sure that our wage rates are at market and keeping up with market. So we've done increases where we felt they were needed to keep rewarding our people and keep them energized to stay with Materion. So not only are we trying to attract but we're also trying to retain.

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

I think the other thing to note on that related to what Shelly is indicating is we've got a model that we’ve really established within the company to ensure that if we're experiencing costs pressures, whether it's supply chain type pressures, labor pressures, anything like that. But we really are taking a look at those in a very careful way and working with our customers in an appropriate way to recognize those. So I think the teams build a good model around that and is demonstrated by, I think, our margin performance.

[Marco Rodriguez, Stonegate Capital Markets]

And then in regard to that also kind of an offshoot, if you will. A lot of individuals are obviously impacted by these rising inflation costs and a lot of companies are raising their prices. Suppliers like yourselves are also pushing through the additional costs. I'm assuming, and I saw some remarks about price mix, were benefit for you guys this quarter. Are you finding it relatively easy ,if you will, to kind of push through price increases to counteract the inflation you might be receiving?

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Well, I wouldn't necessarily just say relatively easy, because I think anytime you're looking at pricing, it's an issue, whether it's a supplier that's coming to us that's clearly a challenge. We don't just simply accept the price that they bring forward and I'm sure that's the same with our customers as well. I think it's really important for us to go to build the right story and help our customers understand what the situation is and be able to demonstrate the clear market dynamics. Of course customers kind of have that feeling today, just because they're probably experiencing that from really all of their suppliers, but I think we've done, again, a nice job where we demonstrate to our customers what the dynamic is and why we are doing what we're doing and then have a have a thoughtful discussion, and then from that be able to process those pricing. But I wouldn't say it’s necessarily easy but I think it is something that we're able to have a good thoughtful discussion with them on.

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

And one of the things that's really beneficial about our company, as you know, is that we have the metal pass-through. So we're seeing inflation. It's kind of other materials, some utilities, some shipping rates. So we're not experiencing big raw material increases that we need to go out and recover, because we've got those pass through mechanisms straight to our customer. So while it's not easy, never easy to get priced, we're dealing with a bit of a smaller impact than maybe the [other] company.

[Marco Rodriguez, Stonegate Capital Markets]

And then switching gears here to the closing of the Starck acquisition. Can you maybe walk through some of your near term integration efforts and any specific goals you're looking to achieve here?

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

I think one of the things that, Marco, we have a really good handle on it, because a year ago, we did the Optics Balzers acquisition. And so we established a model that I think worked very well during that, and we're basically using as much of that model into the integration efforts here with HCS-Electronic Materials. We've got an integration leader that we've put in place, full time integration leader. We've got functional support and really we're looking at integration from two fronts. One is more of a process integration and the other one is more of a business integration. But at the same time, we want to make sure that HCS-Electronic Materials continues to do well what they have done, which is support customers, deliver great products, great quality, on time, and so we don't want to disrupt that. So we do have a fairly detailed integration model that we put together, both from a process side and from a business side with a leader and with functional support and at the same time, making sure that the business continues to run and perform well like it has over the last several years.

[Marco Rodriguez, Stonegate Capital Markets]

And then in terms of some of your end markets, semiconductor growth, on one of the slide, looks pretty strong in the quarter. And I know that obviously semiconductors has been a pretty strong market for some time here, a lot of tailwinds pushing that particular market higher but at the same time, everyone is aware that the semiconductor shortages that are out there. And I'm kind of curious if your growth that you've experienced in that market is maybe been somewhat capped because of that. And if not, how should we kind of thinking about those impacts at the semiconductor market and how that relates to your growth?

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Well, semiconductor has been a very good market for us, for a number of quarters now. And to your point, there is definitely market tailwind. But I think at the same time, when you look at our girls over the last several quarters, you'll see that our growth is substantially above general market growth for semiconductor, and that's as a result of the great work the team's done on getting organic initiatives. We've talked a lot about our aluminum scandium targets and they've been a really, really growth driver for us. We've also got, what we called, micro electronic packaging, which is basically packaging units where we put -- where the customers, I should say, put semiconductor material and chips inside of it for reliability that's also been a great growth avenue for us in terms of organic growth. So first of all, I think our growth is really built around a number of organic initiatives combined with the general tailwind of the market.

With regards to, I think, where it's headed and kind of what's the situation with the backlog maybe that's occurring, clearly, there's there's shortage. We are supporting our customers to the best of our ability that we can. I mean, as we are getting the orders in, I would expect that this backlog will clear out maybe over the next year, some people are predicting maybe even a little bit more than a year. And then as it does, we expect to [consumers] to support. But we are running our facilities to support our customers in a full way. So we continue to be excited about this market.

[Marco Rodriguez, Stonegate Capital Markets]

And last question from me, on the automotive road side, also a really strong number, I believe it was 81% year-over-year. Can you kind of help us to understand -- and I know that's leveraged at the the EV market. Can you help us understand some of the main drivers there? Is that kind of a function of just easier year-over-year comps versus shutdowns, or are you taking market share, new applications? Just any color there and ranking of those drivers would be helpful?

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Auto has been a great market for us and we've really been focused on auto the last several years. And I think the growth is, it's certainly the comps are helpful. But when you look at Q3 last year, there was already starting to be a little bit of a recovery, I think. And so I think our growth is coming from a number of different fronts. One, the general market growth that's happening. Clearly, we're having a lot of success on the EV side. As we indicated, we're doubling our sales for the EV specific applications for the second year in a row. We've got a lot of play that we do on the connector side. And as we know, electronics and content, and autos continues to increase. So that means connector usage continues to increase, and therefore, our content continues to increase. So we've -- we're really very fortunate, I think, to have materials that are used in the connector market.

We also have a very heavy weight towards our European and Asian OEMs and European and Asian OEMs, I think, are doing a lot better, I would say, in this situation than probably perhaps the North American OEMs. So we've got -- majority of our content is actually on the European and Asian OEM side. And then general content that we keep driving across the board, I think, with global platforms. So a number of things that are contributing to our automotive sales. We're very excited about where automotive is headed for us. In particular, I think the EV content continues to be exciting for us. And then I think the general electronics growth continues to be exciting for us.

[Operator]

Our next question is from Phil Gibbs with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

[Phil Gibbs, KeyBanc Capital Markets]

The energy sales really took off this quarter relative to the rate you've been on the last several quarters, I think probably the highest level since mid-2019, late 2019. So what are you seeing there? How much is related to oil and gas and other things? Because I know you're not just oil and gas but maybe some color there, because I know it's obviously helpful for your mix.

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

It is. And energy for us, I mean, a couple of big areas for energy fill or oil and gas and then the other one is our Smart Glass applications. Oil and gas, as we indicated, is starting to show signs of recovery. Rig count is up roughly about 550 rig count versus about 350 at the end of last year. So that's certainly helping and I think the recovery in oil and gas is a contributing factor. Smart Glass is really another nice contributing factor for us with building construction, and especially commercial constructions up and remodeling up. And so that's, I think, contributing as well. So it is a good mix for us, both on the Smart Glass side and the oil and gas side.

[Phil Gibbs, KeyBanc Capital Markets]

And then on the net working capital, it was a very large use of cash this quarter, particularly as it relates to inventory and accounts receivable. I mean, was that related to inflation, was that related to getting ahead of the clad ramp? I mean maybe bring us through some of that, that was surprising in terms of the use to us.

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

So I think it's a bit of a mix. The AR is up with our sales being up, and there's some mix in there. The inventory piece is, I think, a tale of two cities, it's somewhat the pricing. As you know, our inventory balance holds the full value of the inventory, including the pass-through metal and some of those precious metals are up substantially. And then we have -- in some cases, where we're carrying some extra inventory, given the supply chain issues that are prevalent, we want to make sure we're able to service our customers. So you're seeing our safety stocks go up a little bit, but it's really to support this great level of business that we've got going right now.

[Phil Gibbs, KeyBanc Capital Markets]

And my last one, I missed the very, very beginning of the call. But anything you could provide us in terms of the ramp on the new clad facility? I know you mentioned you had some start-up costs this quarter, which were obviously expected. But where are you there and are you poised to hit the ground running in 2022?

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Phil, as we noted, I think, in our prior calls as well that we were going to have start-up costs a little bit in the first half of the year but ramping up in the third quarter and fourth quarter, and that's to be expected as we're getting this facility ready to be able to go into higher levels of production into '22. So I would say we've got equipment installed. We're sort of in a commissioning trial phase. Right now, we'll do that here in Q3. We did that in Q3. We're doing that again here in Q4 as we're getting product built. It's going to be a lot of testing, testing on our side, testing on the customer side. And then our intent is to go ahead and start running the facility from a production level, starting in the first half of next year. So I think the team is exactly right on track. It's in line with the schedule that we had developed with the customer and we're quite excited about that.

[Operator]

Our next question is from Marisa Hernandez with Sidoti.

[Marisa Hernandez, Sidoti]

So I wanted to ask about the Optics Balzers integration. How is that going in your view? You mentioned, Shelly, that its project based, so quarter-to-quarter, there are variations. How do you see it tracking versus your initial expectations in terms of potential for margin and addition to sales?

[Jugal Vijayvargiya, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Yes. I think there's two things here. One is the integration and then the second part, you talked about sort of how the business in general, runs with more of project based contracts that we have with our customers. So I think the integration is going really well. We've put the two organizations together. We created a global organization led by Ian Tribick. And I think we've got a strong team of individuals that are focused on the operational side as well as the growth side. And as we indicated when we did the acquisition a year ago, our main purpose for acquiring Optics Balzers was to create this global organization that could drive top line growth. And we would expect to see synergies in the two to three, to four year time frame and I think we're exactly on track of being able to do that. The teams are collectively looking at each end market and how each end market can be serviced with a global organization. So very excited about that.

I know the team has actually got to get together that they're doing here in December to consider further work and refine our strategies for that. I think the other part, which is related just strictly to the business. So it's not an Optics Balzers issue or, let's say, the legacy issue, it’s just how that business runs. I mean there is a lot of business that we have there that is a bit more project based. So you see that. And then historically, you've seen that in the margin profile of that business, both the top line and the bottom line. But overall, we're very pleased with how things are progressing and looking forward to some more good things from the team.

[Marisa Hernandez, Sidoti]

Now on the HCS, just a quick question on the accounting. Can we assume that what you are guiding for depreciation for the full year, we strip out those two months and that's a good base number to use for 2022?

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

So the depreciation, we have a good handle on the purchase amortization as an estimate, as you might expect. We've got the work to do there on the opening balance sheet and the valuation. So we've made an estimate. This is the reason why we provided EPS impact for two months, both with and without amortization. So you can understand the earnings power. And we'll work through the assignment of the purchase price over the next few months.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Phil Gibbs with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

[Phil Gibbs, KeyBanc Capital Markets]

Kind of going off that question, I know you've got a couple of months of HC in this fourth quarter. Is there any implied EPS accretion from the business in the fourth quarter in your guidance or should we expect purchase price accounting impacts to impact that in Q4?

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

So what we're estimating is that even with the purchase price amortization that it would be $0.05 accretive for the two months, and without the purchase price amortization to be about $0.13. So we've got that work to do, but we wanted to give you a feel for what the month impact would be in our guide.

[Phil Gibbs, KeyBanc Capital Markets]

So when you actually report your numbers a few months from now, is that purchase price accounting going to be included in that guidance range then?

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

It will. Yes.

[Phil Gibbs, KeyBanc Capital Markets]

And how long should we expect those accounting impacts to last?

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

I'm not sure if I follow. You mean how long will we amortize the intangibles?

[Phil Gibbs, KeyBanc Capital Markets]

Is that what the difference is? Is it basically the noncash amortization that's going to stick with you for a while?

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

Yes.

[Phil Gibbs, KeyBanc Capital Markets]

So that's an ongoing then?

[Shelly Chadwick, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer]

As you know, Phil, many companies report EPS without purchase amortization. Companies that are acquisitive that something we're taking a look at. So we wanted to show you what the EPS is without purchase amortization.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. And I would like to turn the call back over to John Zaranec for closing remarks.

[John Zaranec]

Thank you. This is John Zaranec, and this concludes our third quarter 2021 earnings call. A recorded playback of this call will be available on the company's Web site, materion.com. We'd like to thank all of you for participating on this call this morning and your interest in Materion. I will be available to answer any follow-up questions. My direct number is [phone]. Thank you.

[Operator]

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.