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Welcome to the MPLX Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. My name is Sheila and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded.
I will now turn the call over to Kristina Kazarian. Kristina, you may begin.
Good morning and welcome to the MPLX third quarter 2020 earnings webcast and conference call. The synchronized slides that accompany this call can be found on mplx.com under the Investors tab.
On the call today are Mike Hennigan, President and CEO; Pam Beall, CFO; and other members of the management team.
We invite you to read the Safe Harbor statements and non-GAAP disclaimer on Slide 2. It’s a reminder that we will be making forward-looking statements during the call and during the question-and-answer session that follows. Actual results may differ materially from what we expect today. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are included there as well as our filings with the SEC.
Now, I will turn over this call over to Mike Hennigan for opening remarks.
Thanks Kristina. Good morning and thank you for joining our call.
Earlier today we reported adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter of 2020 of $1.3 billion, a slight increase versus our second quarter 2020 EBITDA. Our performance during the third quarter highlights the stability of our underlying business, the quality of our contracts and execution on our capital and operating expense reductions to help offset what we knew would be a challenging environment.
With our EBITDA growing over time, and our continued emphasis on strict capital discipline, our leverage can naturally be reduced. To that end, we have obtained Board authorization for a unit repurchase program for the repurchase and retirement of up to $1 billion of the company's outstanding publicly traded limited partner common units. By getting Board approval, now this program will allow us to make repurchases of our common units at the appropriate time and provide us with an attractive opportunity to return value to our unit holders.
Turning to slide four, a key part of our path to positive cash flows continued capital spending discipline. We continue to be on track to achieve our 2020 capital reduction of over $700 million, as we continue to focus on opportunities with the most attractive returns.
Turning to slide five, I would take a moment to provide some comments on our responsibilities around sustainability and corporate leadership. As a result of our continued refinement of our ESG perspectives, I want to mention two additional and important initiatives the combined enterprise as established, incremental to the announcement earlier this year, to reduce greenhouse gas emissions intensity to 30% below 2014 levels by 2030.
First, we've established a 2025 goal to reduce methane emissions intensity from our G&P business to 50% below 2016 levels. Second, we are focusing on conserving and managing use of water. To our efforts in this area, the combined enterprises reduced freshwater withdrawal intensity by over 10% since 2015, and expect to further reduce it by an additional 10% by 2030.
Shifting to slide six, we recently published our 2020 perspectives on climate-related scenarios report. This is the fourth year the MPC enterprises published a TCFD compliant report, which highlights the opportunities and strategic planning work the company is engaged in related to climate scenarios.
We also published our 2019 sustainability report in late July, which expands upon efforts in environmental, social and governance aspects of the business. With the publication of the 2019 sustainability report, we also published a Sustainability Accounting Standards Board, or SASB midstream supplement, highlighting the specific topics and metrics within our 2019 sustainability report as it pertains to SASBs industry-specific sustainability accounting standards.
We look forward to continuing our ESG journey and our commitment to stakeholder engagement with our team of employees, business partners, customers and communities. We view sustainability as the fundamental process of shared value creation, and how we conduct our business enhances the performance we deliver.
Now let me turn the call over to Pam to discuss our third quarter 2020 operational and financial results.
Thanks, Mike. Turning to slide seven MPLX delivered third quarter adjusted EBITDA of $1.3 billion and distributable cash flow of $1.1 billion, which provided continued strong distribution coverage of 1.44 times.
Our results for the quarter once again, highlight the resiliency of our underlying business, as well as execution of our forecasted $200 million of operating cost reductions to help offset a challenging demand environment, allowing us to continue to generate strong cash flow and adjusted EBITDA.
For the quarter, we generated positive cash flow, after investments in the business and distributions to unitholders. We use this cash to reduce total debt outstanding from the end of the second quarter to the end of the third quarter, and we ended the third quarter with leverage of four times.
During the quarter, we refinanced our 2021 debt maturities, at very attractive rate, along with some of our notes due in 2022, and 2024, that carried coupons of 6.25% or higher.
Slide eight shows the third quarter Logistics & Storage business segment highlight. Volumes across our pipeline and terminal systems were lower compared with the third quarter of 2019, primarily driven by lower refinery utilization at MPCs refineries. However, we did see sequential increase in both pipeline and terminal throughputs versus the second quarter of 2020.
During the third quarter, the Wink to Webster Permian crude oil pipeline project achieved mechanical completion on the main segment connecting the Permian Basin to Houston, Texas. The main segment of the pipeline system was commissioned with Permian crude oil from Midland to Houston in October, and service is expected to be available to shippers in the fourth quarter.
We have a 15% equity ownership interest of this joint venture. The pipeline system has 100% of its contractible capacity committed with minimum volume commitments. Additional segments offering shippers further service are expected to be placed in service throughout 2021.
The Whistler natural gas pipeline project also continued to progress. The two bcf per day capacity project is more than 90% committed with minimum volume commitments. We continue to expect to start up of the project in the second half of 2021.
As we noted last quarter, MPLX WhiteWater Midstream and West Texas gas formed a joint venture to provide NGL takeaway capacity from MPLX and WTG's gas processing plants in the Permian to Sweeney, Texas. This optimized approach will largely use existing infrastructure with limited initial construction. Commercial NGL transportation service to Sweeney, Texas is expected to commence in the second half of 2021.
Slide nine provides third quarter Gathering and Processing business segment highlight. For the third quarter of 2020, Gathered and Processed volumes were lower than the same period last year across most of our footprints. With a few exceptions, including West Texas and the Marcellus where Gathered volumes increased 3% and Processed volumes increased 8% respectively. Processed volumes in the Marcellus reached a record 5.7 billion cubic feet per day.
Total Fractionated volumes averaged 567,000 barrels per day, representing a 4% increase over the third quarter of 2019. Record Fractionated volumes were primarily driven by a 10% increase in the Marcellus where volumes increased with the Hopedale 5 fractionator, which came online during the third quarter.
Despite the pressure on commodity prices, as global demand remains significantly below historical levels, we remain optimistic in the outlook for both natural gas and NGL demand and price recovery. The recent recovery in futures prices is beneficial for our natural gas and NGL producer customers, as they can take advantage of hedging opportunities and realize a positive impact on operating results, as well as their borrowing base redetermination.
We expect producers will continue to apply the benefits of an improving price environment to their balance sheets to address near term debt maturities and improve their financial flexibility. We’re also encouraged by the consolidation that's occurring among our producers, which should result in counterparties with a stronger financial profile.
Moving to our financial highlights on slide 10, adjusted EBITDA was $1.3 billion for the third quarter of 2020. The Logistics and Storage segment adjusted EBITDA was $893 million, while the Gathering and Processing segment contributed $442 million in adjusted EBITDA.
For the quarter, we generated approximately $1.1 billion of distributable cash flow and we'll return for the quarter $750 million to our unitholders. This provided distribution coverage of 1.44 times.
The bridge on slide 11 shows the change in adjusted EBITDA from the third quarter of 2019 to the third quarter of 2020. The Logistics and Storage segment increased $44 million year-over-year, primarily driven by lower costs, lower operating expenses, minimum volume commitments, and the completion of the Mt. Airy terminal and Utica butane expansion projects, partially offset by decreased pipeline and terminalling volumes due to lower utilization at MPC's refineries.
The Gathering and Processing segment increased $18 million, primarily driven by higher volumes due to additional plants coming online, partially offset by production curtailments and shut-ins.
Slide 12 provides a summary of key financial highlights and select balance sheet information. We ended the quarter with a leverage ratio of four times and approximately $3.4 billion available on our bank revolver, and $1.5 billion available on our intercompany facility with MPC.
During and shortly after the quarter, we undertook several financing activities to continue to strengthen our balance sheet, by lowering our interest costs and extending maturities. These steps were outlined in the earnings release.
As I mentioned earlier, for the third quarter, we generated positive cash flow after investments and distributions. With progress made in 2020, our continued capital discipline and expected growth in EBITDA, we continue to target our goal of achieving positive free cash flow after capital investments and distributions for 2021. As we reach this inflection point, we believe that we will have the financial flexibility to repurchase units or reduce debt.
We will continue to prioritize an investment grade credit profile and we expect our leverage to improve over time with modest growth in EBITDA. We will be looking to implement the board authorized unit repurchase program of up to $1 billion of our outstanding publicly traded common units.
The timing, price and actual number of common units repurchased, if any, will depend on several factors, including our expected excess cash available, alternative investment opportunities in the market and business conditions.
And now let me turn the call back over to Kristina.
Thanks, Pam. As we open the call for questions, we ask that you limit yourself to one question, plus a follow up. We may re-prompt for additional question if time permits. With that, we will now open the call to questions. Operator?
Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Hi, good morning.
Good morning, Jeremy.
Good morning, Jeremy.
Thanks. Just wanted to start off on how you're going to evaluate the balance between buybacks versus reducing leverage in 2021. And just thinking, is there a specific leverage bogey we should be thinking about here before you would start buying back units? And just also in the past, you've talked about reducing the number of geographical areas where you operate, you know, through divestitures or JVs, if you rationalizing and could that factor into the equation here as well?
Jeremy, this is Mike, I'll start off by saying, first off, business conditions are going to continue to change and we're going to evaluate, it's going to be a dynamic program as time goes on. What we said in our prepared remarks is right at the moment with, you know, MPLX trading at a 15-plus yield, we see unit buybacks as the preferred option right at this point.
Over the long term, with the base plan, if we stayed in that mode, we expect our leverage to naturally decline as EBITDA continues to increase, because our base plan has - you know, earnings continue to increase. And if we keep debt flat, then we'll have a natural leverage reduction over time.
But it is something that we're going to make quarterly calls or real-time calls as time progresses. Our main emphasis was, and we said this for quite some time now was to get into a position where we would have free cash flow after distributions and after capital. We're achieving that as we come to the end of 2020 here. And our expectation was for that to occur in ‘21. So we're a little earlier than we expected. That's why we went out for the authorization with our Board, and then we're just going to continue to evaluate the program as time goes on, and continue to be thoughtful as to what's the best way to deploy it.
That's very helpful. Thank you. And I want to pivot over to Wink to Webster here and just trying to better understand the ramp there with the first leg online and how we should think about those cash flows, I guess, increasing this year and into next year?
Jeremy on Wink to Webster one of the things that all the partners have done is looked at how can we optimize the capital spending. So portions of the project will come on in 2021. But as we said, in our early remarks, the main segment from Midland to Houston completed early, so we're going to start that up early. And then as ‘21 progresses, as we optimize the capital, we look at where the different segments are, you know, throughout 21, we’ll give more of an update as to where that's going to play itself out. But it's part of the optimization process, instead of waiting for the whole time there was a piece of the project it could start up sooner.
Jeremy, its Pam. I thought I would just add on to Mike's comment about the unit repurchase. And you asked whether asset optimization would have a factor, would play a role in that. And I just want to highlight, we're not a distressed seller. And so we'll be patient and prudent with asset monetization. But clearly to the extent that we are successful, and we hope with an improving price environment that we'll be successful in optimizing some of the basins, we would absolutely deploy proceeds first to debt reduction. And we certainly don't want to be in a, what we call, a dilutive deleveraging.
So certainly would look at using some proceeds to the extent that they're available for unit to repurchase as well. So - and of course, that's all predicated on where we stand with respect to leverage in our investment grade credit profile that we want to prioritize, as we evaluate all these opportunities to allocate our capital to move forward.
That's very helpful. Thanks. If I could just sneak one more in, just wondering if you had any other thoughts you could share with regard to the trajectory of demand recovery across your systems?
Yeah, Jeremy. So as it relates to the largest segment of our business, the Logistics and Storage segment, MPC each quarter does provide some guidance on what it expects in terms of its refining throughput. And certainly, the volumes in the Logistics and Storage side of the business will really move with MPCs guidance.
Currently, their guidance for the fourth quarter is slightly lower than it was for the third. So keep that in mind. But that's certainly what we would expect as well. And then as it relates to the Gathering and Processing side of the business, it's been certainly very challenging for the producer customers really, across all of our geographies. We've been pleased to see some of the reports from producers have been coming out. So we'd encourage you to look at some of those - that guidance as well.
But an improving price environment and backdrop we think will be very supportive for the Gathering and Processing segment. We are running at very high volumes in our Marcellus area. So we have some capacity that we could certainly fill up in the Utica. And we have a Smithburg 1 ready when the appropriate time to take gas, but that Sherwood complex is running quite full. So we're optimistic about how our producers will be able to benefit from an overall improving natural gas and NGL price environment.
Got it. That's very helpful. Thank you. I'll get back in the queue.
You're welcome.
Thank you. Our next question will come from Shneur Gershuni with UBS. Your line is open.
Hi. Good morning, everyone. Maybe to start off and just go back to that buyback question a little bit. Just wondering if we can unpack it, given that you're at four times leverage already, and the balance sheet is where it's at. And then when we look at the fact that you expect to be free cash flow positive after distribution in ‘21. Just wondering if you could give us a sense around the - you know, does all that excess go towards buybacks? Is that kind of the instructions from the Board? Is there a percentage of it that goes towards buybacks? And as you execute on it, is it going to be in a pro rata format, public units versus MPC held units? Just wondering if you can give us a little bit more color around that.
Shneur, its Mike. So yeah, like I was saying in my previous comments, we're going to evaluate it as business conditions dictate. What we're trying to disclose to everybody is right at this particular time, the way we see the market today is because we've been trading 15-plus yield, it's our desire to prioritize unit buybacks. There's not a set -to your question, there's not a set percentage or anything like that. It's us going to be making a determination as we go forward, what's the best use of those proceeds as we generate positive cash.
In the environment that I'd say that we see today, I probably call it the base case today is we see buybacks as the preferred vehicle. And at the same time, we do see EBITDA growth in our business will naturally reduce our leverage. So as Pam has said many times, we're comfortable at four times. Over time, we think that will go down as our earnings grow. But if conditions dictate something different we’ll adjust, but right now we see unit buybacks as the priority based on where the market is trading and the yield that we have on our units.
Okay, great. Maybe as a follow up question, I was just wondering if we can expand on the cost side a little bit, in terms of your cost efforts. How much of the reduction that's happening at MPC will translate across to MPLX above the original target that you set earlier this year? And has your CapEx outlook changed for 2021? I think it was a $1 billion last time we were updated.
Yeah, Shneur. I'll take that. It's Pam. So as we mentioned earlier, we're on target to achieve the $200 million of operating expense reductions this year. And then we also announced the reduction in force that was across the enterprise MPC and MPLX. And so that portion of the cost reductions associated with the separation of part of our workforce will be reflected primarily as we move forward in 2021. So that's incremental to the 200 million that we identified earlier.
And then the other questions that you asked about was CapEx. CapEx, we would – we’ll provide an update when we report fourth quarter results. But as you know, we've worked hard to reduce our capital spend throughout the year. We're still targeting about $900 million, which is down about $750 million. And then we would expect for 2021, although we're not ready to provide some guidance, we would expect 2021 CapEx will be lower than 2020, as we've been wrapping up some larger projects here. So it'll be lower than this year. But we're just not ready quite yet to give you that guidance Shneur.
No, I really do appreciate it. And If I can sneak one last one, like Jeremy. You expect to be free cash flow positive after distributions next year, you've had really strong results this year. Is there any reason to think that it can't happen this year as well, too? Or is there some seasonality for Q2 [ph] we should be thinking about?
Well, as I mentioned earlier, so there was a question about the outlook and on volumes across the system. And the Logistics and Storage side will follow, MPCs refining volume throughput. So – and MPC is forecasting slightly lower throughput for the fourth quarter, then the third. So keep that in mind.
But to your point, we're turning the corner here on free cash flow, we were negative the first half, positive in the third. We would expect to be positive in the fourth. So we think we'll be right around a position to maybe be modestly positive for the fourth quarter of 2020 or for you know, for the full year.
Perfect.
One of the things that I think we're trying to communicate is, we made a commitment to the market that we were going to drive ourselves towards free cash flow in ‘21. As you're pointing out, we're getting there a little bit early. I don't want to overplay this, though, from the standpoint as we - you know, we got authorization, we expect to continue to execute the plan.
As you know, the size of the public float is not a very large number at this point. So I don't want to over-hype the discussion today. But just really reiterate that we're on track to do what we said we were going to do for a long period of time here. It's been multiple quarters in a row where we said, here's where we're headed. We're getting there, we're trying to show you that.
As Pam just said, for the full year we’ll be slightly positive, as we go into ‘21 it will get a little bit more in. And I think we're just trying to disclose that, we made a commitment we were executing on that. We're getting to a position where we will finally get to a point of that resulting in some buybacks. And that's why we got the authorization.
Perfect, really appreciate the color, guys. Take care and have a safe day.
Thanks, Shneur. Appreciate it.
Thank you. Next we'll hear from John Mackay with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning. Thanks for the time. Just wanted to circle up again on CapEx for 2021. Appreciate the guidance that it should be lower year-over-year. But just wondering if you could talk a little bit about what might be the moving pieces there? How flexible is that number? And then really, how much does it depend on the pace of the overall recovery?
So John, I'll start off and Pam can jump in. So we're not quite through our process internally or with the Board for ‘21. We're in the middle of that. So we're not ready to give any forward guidance in that area. I think what Pam was reiterating, is one of our, tenants of going forward is we're going to maintain very strict capital discipline.
As we said, we set a goal that’s become, you know, realized now, that we’ll be free cash flow. We're committed to our distribution, as we've said many times, the market keeps asking us about that, but we're committed to that distribution. We're committed to managing capital in a way that we've raised our hurdle rate in such a way that we'll have strong discipline around it. We’ll generate excess cash, as we generate that excess cash if the market continues to trade, where its been, then we think the right use of proceeds is to buy back units. That's kind of where we are at this point.
As to your question on recovery. Again, my personal philosophy is, you know, worry about the things we can control. And not the ones that we don't control, but just to do scenario planning around that. I mean, I think there's a lot of good indications that the market is going back in a demand recovery mode, from where it was earlier. Hopefully, some of this rhetoric that we're all reading about, as far as vaccines coming online sooner rather than later is all good. And hopefully the overall US economy will rebound in ‘21. The way some people are projecting.
So we're just going to have to watch, as I was saying, in the answers to the first question, business conditions will dictate how and which method and the pace at which we deploy things. But I think our main message here is, we're delivering on what we expected. We're reaching that point. We're staying disciplined on capital. We're staying committed to our distribution. And we've reached a point where we're starting to have excess funds.
All right. That’s helpful. I appreciate that. Just my quick follow up, and I'll keep it to two today. Just on CapEx in the quarter. So the year-to-date number looks like it's coming in a little tight on kind of what your full year 2020 CapEx guidance has been. So I was just wondering if you kind of frame up really spending for the rest of the year and kind of what's happening there. And, you know, maybe if you're expecting another return of capital from one of the JVs or something like that? Thank you,
Yeah, John. So I think one of the things that is a little more difficult for us to forecast is change in accrual for capital expenditures, and capitalize interest. And so some of those, those items are adding to this a number that is a little higher than our targeted of $900 million. But if you back out, and we give the detail in the press release, so it's - I think it's the last schedule attached to the press release.
If you back those things out, you'll see that we're still right on target for it, we will have considerably lower capital spending in the fourth quarter. And that is intentional. As I mentioned throughout the earlier part of the year, we were wrapping up some larger projects like the Mt. Airy terminal, the Utica butane expansion, and NGL pipeline in Appalachia. And we had some plants that were being wrapped up.
So you know, we had – our capital spending was much greater in the first half of the year. That also that's part of the reason why we were negative cash flow in the first part of the year. But yeah, you'll see a very significant decline sequentially as we go into the fourth quarter and close out the year for growth CapEx.
That’s helpful. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question will come from Christine Cho with Barclays. Your line is open.
Thank you. If I could actually just maybe take your comments about how we should think about free cash flow generation through the remainder of the year. Can you give us an idea of how much of the quarter-over-quarter increase at L&S was due to cost savings and where you were relative to MVCs? And whether you expect to hit up against any MVC levels next quarter with the volume with the volume guidance that you're forecasting at MPC level?
So MVCs can always be a part of the equation. We have a large number of our contracts and systems that are supported by MVCs. And even in periods of time, when we weren't in the kind of the demand shock that we've been experiencing, we've had some the benefit of protections from minimum volume commitments. And so certainly that's always in play, Christine.
In terms of the cost reductions, we probably won't break that out separately for each segment. But certainly cost reductions did play an important part of third, second and third quarter. And we still have some cost reductions to deliver here in the fourth quarter as well, with respect to that $200 million for 2020, that expectation of operating cost reductions. So that's a significant portion of the benefit that we've been realizing.
We probably have a little more flexibility on the Logistics and Storage side of the business than what we've had on Gathering and Processing. The plants that they have installed have, you know, that's a little bit like a mini refinery, and they have high fixed operating costs. And so we have probably experienced more of the cost savings on the Logistics and Storage side of the business than we did in Gathering and Processing.
Okay, got it. And then I guess just given the changing landscape for refineries, in a post-pandemic world, how should we think about the long-term cash flow generation of the existing assets against the contribution from growth projects, as we think about the natural [indiscernible] you mentioned from growing EBITDA? And should we take your preference to buy back stocks today, as confident that you either don't see deterioration in the near to medium term on your assets, or that any structural changes will be more than offset with lower CapEx and continued cost savings?
Yeah. And thanks, Christine. That's a good question. And so it's kind of - I will give you a kind of a multi part answer and then maybe ask others if they want to chime in as well. But when we think about some of the significant changes that have taken place at MPCs operations with the idling of the Gallup refinery, the Martinez refinery, and the conversion of Dickinson to renewable diesel, when we think about some of those renewable products like renewable diesel, as you know, it's a drop in fuel. And we can move that fuel in our existing assets.
So we'll certainly will look forward to as MPC transition some of its fuels, and its feedstocks will be equipped to handle those feedstocks in those fields. And then as it relates specifically to Gallup and Martinez, as we've talked about the fact that we contracts in place that protect cash flow for a period of time.
And then at Gallup, we would expect actually there to be for the enterprise little or no change in the cash flow and EBITDA, because the pipelines that supported moving crude to the refinery, now that crude is being transported on a longer haul, a Tex New Mex pipeline to Midland. And so the earnings we believe will not be impacted by the shutdown of the Gallup refinery.
And then at Martinez, combination of things there. So again, we're protected with agreements for the various assets that were dropped down over time by the legacy Andeavor, ANDX systems. We have minimum volume protection in place, and some contracts go out to December of 2026. And as MPC continues to move forward with its project there, we're continuing to evaluate the long-term opportunities for the logistics assets around that operation to be conformed to support NPCs objectives in that market.
As far as the long term and energy transition, we believe that our assets will continue to serve an important role well into the future, in terms of delivering crude oil, feedstocks and finished products to markets that we believe will continue to require them, even as the space does a transition.
And then when we talk about energy transition, we could talk about you know, some of the opportunities to convert some of our assets to help support new services and operations, like moving CO2 or/and sequestering CO2 in caverns and storage facilities, moving hydrogen on pipelines, renewable gas on pipelines and those kinds of things.
So, certainly an opportunity for us. This industry has been very resilient. Over time, we've adapted to a lot of changes in standards and regulations over time. And we believe our assets will continue to be a vital part of delivering energy to those who need it.
Christine, its Mike. I'll just add to Pam's comment to your question. At the end of the day, we're going to continue to see an evolving energy landscape. Obviously, it's very well known that there's different things occurring different parts of the world. In the short term, one of the priorities that I think was important for us at MPC and MPLX, was to spend a lot of time on our cost structure. And that effort continues. And we're going to continue to give updates quarter-to-quarter as to how that progresses.
But I don't want to lose sight of the point that Pam was making at the end of the question, you know, the point that you made at the end of your is, we do believe in growth, it is an important part of the story at MPC and MPLX, getting the cost structure in line was a high priority, but then also growing the earnings at both entities over the long term is also a priority. But in A very short term with COVID hitting and the uncertainty around the market, at least in the last six months or so, the higher priority has been liquidity and getting ourselves in a position where we think we have a structure long term that's more cost competitive?
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Our next question will come from Michael Blum with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. So in your prepared remarks, you just talked about M&A you're seeing in the Upstream space. My question is really, do you see that ultimately moving to the Midstream sector? And if so, what are your thoughts in terms of MPLX playing a role there, or do you think you're just going to be more internally focused?
Yeah, Michael. I'll start, its Pam. So at the moment, we don't really have a currency that I think would be very effective in consolidation. I think consolidation will take place. And certainly we'll evaluate opportunities as we move forward. But again, our priority in the near term is to use our free cash and our balance sheet - to not use our balance sheet and keep our debt in check here, but use our free cash to buy back units.
But we're not going to be blind to what's happening in the space. And we do think that there will be consolidation. So we'll certainly be monitoring that. What that might look like, it’s difficult to predict. And I'm not saying that we are actively engaging in M&A at this point in time, but certainly we'll keep an eye on how that unfolds.
Great. Just a second question. Just want to ask if you had any updates on the proceedings on the High Plains pipeline? Thank you.
Yeah, so on the High Plains pipeline, there was some recent development and the case was really remanded back. So by December 15, there will be an update from the court. See if I'm missing anything here. Yeah, so the trespass determination and the damages are vacated. And that's - so that's good. The matter has been sent back to a regional director. We do expect a new decision by December 15. But really, that's all there is. We don't have much to share beyond that.
Now, just want to remind people, as we stated before, we have alternatives to generate a similar level of EBITDA, as we've generated in the past, if for some reason we're unable to use that one piece of line that was at issue with the tribes.
Michael, its Mike. I’d just add, obviously, it's a positive development for us, as the system secretary issued an order vacating the BIAs big trespass order. There is still more to come as Pam mentioned. But as we previously disclosed, is, you know, we believe that we have alternatives that are just as important in this whole process, and we'll continue to see how it plays out. But that's where we stand at this point.
Thank you very much.
You're welcome.
Thank you. Our next Question will come from Spiro Dounis with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.
Hey. Morning, everyone. First question is just on the Midstream assets still up at the NPC level, both Gray Oak and South Texas, they were cash flowing down [ph] So just wondering if you guys could update us on how you're thinking about migrating those assets down to MPLX? And if an asset swap is something that could facilitate a transaction there?
Yeah. It’s Pam. So I would say at the moment it's kind of a - it's not on the front burner. For us across the company, we really have our priorities focused on those items that that Mike has highlighted, optimizing our portfolio, reducing our costs, focusing on the commercial aspects of our business, really getting our house in order. And you know, for MPLX, in particular, getting to that excess free cash flow, that positive cash flow, after distributions and after capital investments, so that we can commence the program that was authorized by the Board to begin repurchasing our units.
Understood. Second question just on the ESG side of things, obviously, it is continued to make a pretty big push, they're encouraging to see that. But just wondering when it comes to governance, at some point does the evaluation of a C Corp governance vehicle become a weightier factor for you?
Spiro, its Mike. So, one of the things that we continue to look at is the structure that we have here. We certainly understand the argument for C Corp, and the advantages that that would bring from widening the investor base. But as we found in our Midstream review, there is a lot of cases where there are pros and cons, I've used that term quite a bit. And there is knowns and unknowns.
Obviously, in this particular case, the pro would be to a wider investor base, then in currently in the partnership structure. But one of the large cons would be the tax impacts that would occur both at MPC and to our long term holders. So that's one of the main reasons that we have not moved forward on that.
The second main reason, obviously, is if you're in a C Corp mode, that you're going to start paying corporate taxes. And for us, we've looked at that for an entity that we have today, which is about $4 billion of distributable cash flow, rough numbers, even at 21% tax rate, that's a significant corporate tax that we would be paying. And if you believe that the tax rate could be going up in the future, it's just even that much more.
So if you're looking at $800 to $1 billion to 2 billion or whatever number you want to pick, we haven't felt that it's been worthwhile to consider that in light of the, you know, the cons, which would be the upfront tax implications to our holders, as well as the ongoing loss of cash flow. That's pretty significant in this regard.
So with that said, we're always constantly evaluating what's the best way for us to try and create value, up until now we keep saying the base case that we've been on is still the right path. We want to get into ‘21 and generate more cash flow and continue to emphasize that we think that's the best source of value for us, and try and get to a point where we start to buy units back and if they continue to trade at this kind of level, then we'll continue to prioritize that as a use of that excess cash.
Got it. Makes sense. Appreciate it the color. Thank you, Pam. Thank you, Mike.
You're welcome.
Thanks.
Thank you. Our next question will come from T J Schultz with RBC Capital. Your line is open.
Great, thanks. Just first a question on the MVCs. Do you have any major contract renewal renewals on the MVCs in 2021? And what's the average remaining term on the MVCs within L&S?
So, within L&S, we have long-term contracts, most of them were put in place. Those that would be coming up for renewal would be coming up primarily in 2022. So our first drop down back in 2012 was Marathon Petroleum assets. And those are 10-year contracts. So the majority of those would start coming up for renewal and then in the Logistics and Storage segment of the business beginning in 2022.
We do have one contract, our marine contract does come up for renewal in January of 2021, excuse me, and that is a little more unique among all of our other contracts. That contract will be extended and renewed. However, it does have a feature where we will reset the rates to market rates for the equipment that's under contract.
So it's a contract, it's a fee for capacity. So to the extent that we have the equipment in service available and dedicated to MPC, we will be paid for that equipment. The rates are set to fluctuate every 5 years upon contract renewal. So we would expect that there will be contract renegotiations on the rates, the rates will be reset. And the rate reset is really based on what market rates are. So that's one that will be up in 2021.
Okay, thanks. And then just a follow up on your answer earlier about asset conversions that may be possible when considering energy transition and the theme there. Are any of those considerations, whether it has to do with CO2 or hydrogen or R&G [ph] happening right now? Or when do you expect those types of conversions to be possible or to be needed? Thanks.
So one of the things that I would tell you T J is, you know, as we look at this evolution in the energy space, I think Pam said it well earlier is, we're going to continue to look for opportunities, where we can participate and make that part of our portfolio going forward. Probably the toughest thing from year end, it's an area where we probably won't give the most disclosures because of the competitive nature of these calls. And not put ourselves in a position where we're hurting our either negotiations or the projects that we have.
But we'll try our best to give you some color in this area. But it's also an area that's probably going to frustrate you a little bit, as we kind of keep some of these projects closer to the best. But I don't know, Tim, if you want to comment at all.
So this is Tim. I would just add that, in short, we know we're an energy logistics company. And we're going to continue to look at all the opportunities. But I think Mike has summarized it well, it's pretty competitive environment, whether we look at conversion of assets, you know, we have things that move molecules. So we'll continue to look at what we can put those services to use in, whether it's trucks, trains, boats, pipes. It's all on the table.
Thank you. Our next question will come from Keith Stanley with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
Hi, good morning. I wanted to follow up first on the comments on the Marine contract. Can you give you a sense of current rate versus market rates? And then my understanding it was a pretty small business, I think it was only maybe $100 million or 200 million EBITDA, if that's in the ballpark? And then related to that, do the pipeline contracts that you referenced for 2022 also reset to market at renewal, or was that something unique to Marine?
No, that's unique to the marine business. And you have - you're in the right zip code in terms of the size of the business. So yeah, it's - and I would say, another thing to keep in mind is the fact that we have put more equipment to work also helps to offset the fact that we would expect the Marine rates to come down.
I would say the current market is soft relative to when the contract was first put in place and the prices were first established. So it's clearly - it is - but you're in the right zip code for Marine.
Okay, great. And second topic, on the buybacks, the $1 billion authorizations for the public units. Can just talk about the reasons for buying in the public units and not against buying in any units held by MPC. Obviously, it's more impactful for the stock technically. But any other thoughts or considerations, maybe MPC has no interest in selling back MPLX units, just how you came to do the authorization just for the public units? Thanks.
Well, we think its important message for investors that MPC does want to hold its ownership interest in MPLX. And as we use positive free cash, again after we maintain the distribution, which is important to MPC, after we may you know invest in the business, the capitalist is available after investing in the business will be used to buy back public units and that will only serve to increase MPCs ownership interest in MPLx.
So we think that's an important message for investors that MPC continues to value MPLX as an important part of its business long-term, not only for the distribution today, but for growth opportunities well into the future.
Great, thank you.
Thank you. Our next question will come from Tristan Richardson with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning. Thanks for all the communication on capitol priorities. You've covered a lot of ground here. Just one more buyback question, if I may. Just curious, Mike, how much does consolidated leverage as the sponsor influence the pace of execution on a buyback versus continuing to just deliver the LP?
So they're pretty much independent Tristan. One of the things that we've said at the sponsor level is, we look at the MPC, x-MPLX leverage, and we want to keep that at around 1 to 1.5 times. Obviously, we're in a little bit of a anomaly situation with what's happening with COVID. But we've continued to communicate that, we believe both entities should be and I use the word appropriately levered, we're not looking to have the entities under levered, we're not looking to have them over levered, we're looking for an appropriate amount of leverage, that is right for each entity.
At the MPLX level, we think four times is a good spot to be. Over time, Pam has said, over time, you have a net drift down a little bit, as our earnings growth is good for us in our mind. So Midstream space was very consistent, stable earnings. And hopefully, you know, the market is seeing that, as far as the last couple quarters here. We think that's an appropriate leverage for the Midstream space.
At the same time, on the refining space, that type of leverage would not be an appropriate level. So that's why we've communicated, 1 to 1.5 times is what we think is right there. In both entities is very important for us to maintain investment grade credit metrics.
We continue to have dialogue with the rating agencies, we'll always continue to do that. The ratings that we have at this point, we believe are appropriate for our businesses. And we think the leverage that we have is important to maintain that investment grade profile. So that's the way we think about them.
You know, some people ask that question, like you're asking now about consolidated, we kind of look at them as two independent businesses, and having them appropriately levered is the way we think about it.
Appreciate it. Thank you guys very much.
You're welcome.
Thank you. Our last question will come from Ujjwal Pradhan with Bank of America. Your line is open.
Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Just two quick clarification ones for me. You mentioned earlier that the cost reduction from workforce reduction plan is incremental to the $200 million in OpEx reduction this year. Are you able to quantify the benefits from that going forward? And perhaps high level, how much of the aggregate cost reduction this year will be repeatable next year?
Yeah, Ujjwal, all of the cost reductions that we're achieving in 2020, we expect to be ongoing into the future. And we're not providing information yet about the amount that the cost reduction equates to for the workforce reduction, but you'll be able to see it in our results as we move forward. And some of the cost reductions that we've been able to successfully execute here in 2020, you should be able to see that in our detailed financial statements as well. So I would say just continue to monitor our progress, and you should be able to follow it as we move through 2021.
Got it. Thanks for that Pam. And second clarification on the CapEx comments from earlier, appreciate the color you already share so far. But given the improving outlook for the Northeast, based on your customer conversations, perhaps could you share why we should think about run rate CapEx for Northeast G&P to maintain current production levels?
Yeah, Ujjwal. I would - I'd say that's relatively modest, relative in comparison to the total capital that we've been spending historically there. Most of the capital that we've spent in 2020 even is related to the NGL pipeline that we completed, and we're close to completion there.
And then bringing on - preparing to bring on some additional plants and building out that Smithburg 1 property. So we definitely have ongoing capital to support the producer customers in the way of well connects and so forth. But my guess is just within the Marcellus that that would be, you know, a couple $100 million or less.
Ujjwal, its Mike. I'm just going to add that, one of the things that I think we've seen as a result of the activities in this year is, many of the E&P players are looking at their situation. And compared to where they were a couple of years ago, looking at a slower growth trajectory, whether it be in the Northeast, or in the Permian, or any other areas.
So, our expectation is the growth pattern that we'll see will be at a slower pace consistent with that. At the same time, I think everybody has seen that, one of the things of the recent activities in 2020 is how natural gas has responded, as far as you know, price and the expectation going forward, that we think it's still going to be an important part of the energy landscape for the long-term.
We're looking at $3 plus, natural gas pricing now compared to where we were six months ago. And I think there's a different outlook going forward that also blends into the evolving energy landscape.
Got it. Thank you, Pam and Mike. And congratulations on a great quarter.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you. I will now turn the call back over to Kristina Kazarian for closing remarks.
Thank you for joining us today and thank you for your interest in MPLX. Should you have any additional questions or would you like clarification on any of the topics discussed this morning, members of our team will be available to take your calls. Hope you have a great day.
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