Modine Manufacturing Co

NYSE:MOD

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Modine's Third Quarter Fiscal 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call to your host, Ms. Kathy Powers, Vice President, Treasurer and Investor Relations.

Hello and good morning. Welcome to our conference call to discuss Modine's third quarter fiscal 2025 results. I'm joined by Neil Brinker, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mick Lucareli, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. .

The slides that we'll be using in today's presentation are available on the Investor Relations section of our website, modine.com. On Slide 3 of that deck is our notice regarding forward-looking statements. This call will contain forward-looking statements as outlined in our earnings release as well as in our company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Neil.

Thank you, Kathy, and good morning, everyone.

I'm pleased to report that the team delivered a strong quarter with year-over-year revenue growth and margin improvement. We are successfully leveraging data center growth and climate solutions to offset some challenging market conditions in Performance Technologies. Mick will cover the financial results in more detail. So let's dive into the segment updates.

Please turn to Slide 4. Our Climate Solutions segment had another outstanding quarter, driven primarily by continued growth in the data center business, Data Center revenues increased by 176% this quarter, propelled by strong organic growth and the inorganic benefit of the Scott Springfield acquisition. Scott Springfield added $63 million of data center revenue which is more than 3x the data center revenue in the same quarter in the prior year. This has been an outstanding acquisition for us, and I'm very proud of this team. They quickly increased capacity and strengthened customer relationships to drive synergies and leading to the explosive growth we've seen over the past 3 quarters. Another area of investment has been expanding our capabilities for liquid cooling, specifically our coolant distribution unit, or CDU.

Last quarter, we showcased our CDU at multiple industry shows, including the Supercomputing Show or SC24 in Atlanta. We are receiving many requests for quotes and are in design discussions with multiple hyperscaler and colocation customers globally. It is important to remember that our CDU is an integral part of our data center cooling system and is, therefore, able to operate at a higher efficiency level through the use of our optimizer software and monitoring system. .

So as our customers prepare to meet demands of high-performance computing applications, we can custom design systems to meet their rapidly changing needs. Another area I would like to highlight is our global data center service capabilities.

Our customers tell us the consistency and the responsiveness of our support personnel is best-in-class. Our strong customer relationships are a critical differentiator as we partner with our customers for design to delivery to after-sale support. This, along with our purpose-built products and technologies is why we're winning and why we expect to continue delivering above-market growth.

As I mentioned last quarter, we have decided to expand our manufacturing capacity in Asia Pacific region with new production facility in India. This facility will support both data center cooling products and cooling modules for stationary power generation. Both of these product groups will support the growing data center infrastructure in the region, both inside the data center hall and with the campus power infrastructure.

We remain confident in our outlook for our data center business. There have been many headlines about improvements in AI modeling and concerns about a potential slowdown in data center construction. We believe that the increased efficiency in large language modeling may increase the adoption rate for AI technologies and the need for data center infrastructure and could potentially improve the ROI on these investments as processes evolve.

We, therefore, believe that improved processing efficiency is good for the industry in the long term and are here to support our customers with the cooling technologies that they need to meet these competitive technology demands. Once again, the Climate Solutions segment is having a fantastic year and is making the investments to continue delivering above market growth in our next fiscal year and beyond.

Please turn to Slide 5.

As we discussed last quarter, we anticipated that the Performance Technologies segment would have a challenging quarter with lower sales driven by extended seasonal shutdowns, along with ongoing softness across auto, commercial vehicle, and agricultural and construction equipment markets. Cyclical market declines are a normal part of the business process cycle, and the team is proactively addressing all of these areas that we can control. This includes leveraging our 80/20 processes and implementing aggressive cost controls.

Our 80/20 focus is helping us to better navigate these market cycles. Over the past 3 years, we have raised our margins by investing in and growing higher-margin product lines while exiting or improving lower-margin business. In addition, we've taken further steps to accelerate this transformation.

Over a year ago, we completed the divestiture of our 3 German automotive businesses and as a result, have reduced the technical and administrative headcount that was supporting the business in Europe. This past quarter, we reached an agreement to sell the building that housed our European headquarters and expect the transaction to close later in 2025.

We remain on track with our long-term strategy. We will continue to deemphasize commoditized components, while transitioning the portfolio mix to higher margin and growth businesses. Two great examples of that are e-mobility solutions and the genset modules, which are at the spearhead of the strategy and transformation. These businesses have the potential to grow revenue at rapid rates, while delivering much higher profit margins.

I have confidence that we are making the right decisions to evolve our business portfolio for long-term sustainable growth. In fact, the new data center production facility in India that I just mentioned will also provide capacity for genset production in the region.

Looking ahead, we expect these markets to remain soft for a good portion of 2025 and are planning it early. But we're also expecting an acceleration of growth in those areas we are targeting for investment, further improving our business mix and growing market share in our strategic growth markets.

We have made substantial improvements in this business, and we are looking forward to closing the year with a strong Q4, leading into an even stronger fiscal 2026.

I'll now turn the call over to Mick, who will provide some further updates on the quarter and expectations for the balance of the fiscal year. .

Thanks, Neil, and good morning, everyone. Please turn to Slide 6 to review the segment results. Climate Solutions achieved outstanding results again this quarter with a 42% increase in sales, a 57% improvement in adjusted EBITDA and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21%. This includes strong organic growth, along with $74 million of revenue from the Scott Springfield acquisition. .

Data center sales grew $106 million or 176% from the prior year, driven by Scott Springfield and higher sales in North American colocation customers. Modine's data center business continues to exceed our expectations, and we are once again raising the revenue forecast for this product group.

HVAC&R sales rose by $14 million or 15%, driven by indoor air quality revenue from Scott Springfield, along with higher sales of school products. Heat Transfer product sales declined 13% or $13 million due to lower sales to commercial and residential HVAC, refrigeration and European heat pump customers.

Market demand in the European heat pump market accounted for about half of the decline along with the recent insourcing decision by a large HVAC customer and lower sales of customer replacement coil. Overall, we're very pleased with Climate Solutions strong earnings conversion, which resulted in a 200 basis point improvement in their adjusted EBITDA margin to 21%.

As we look to the fourth quarter, our outlook remains strong in targeted markets, particularly in data centers where we continue to invest to promote rapid growth. Please turn to Slide 7. We anticipated significant Performance Technologies revenue headwinds in the quarter due to normal seasonal trends, extended customer shutdowns and ongoing weakness in our vehicular markets.

There remains weakness across all markets, including automotive, commercial vehicle and off-highway customers along with the impact of the prior year automotive divestitures. Advanced Solutions sales were lower by 7% or $2 million, driven by a decline in EV auto and eVantage systems. Partially offset by higher sales to specialty vehicles and military customers, the lower eVantage sales were driven by temporary supply chain issues impacting key North American bus customers.

Liquid cooled application sales decreased 19% or $21 million due to the previously mentioned lower end market demand along with the prior year divestitures. Lastly, air cooled application sales were lower by 17% or $28 million, also driven by market dynamics in the prior year divestitures.

Partially offsetting the lower market demand was a 16% increase in sales to genset customers. Adjusted EBITDA was down 22% from the prior year, and adjusted EBITDA margin decreased by 90 basis points. The lower earnings and margin were a direct result of the lower Q3 sales volume, especially from a fixed cost absorption perspective.

While most industry experts believe that these markets will begin to recover at some point during 2025, we believe it was prudent to take additional proactive actions to reduce our fixed costs. During the quarter, we took a number of severance charges with a targeted annual savings rate of nearly $15 million. These are very difficult decisions, but necessary until we are clearly seeing the market recoveries.

In addition, as Neil mentioned, we signed an agreement to sell the Performance Technologies headquarters in Germany. We expect this transaction to close later this calendar year, and we'll receive approximately $12 million in proceeds once local government approvals are finalized.

As we look to Q4, we expect a sequential ramp in revenue and earnings, which will be primarily driven by the typical seasonal pattern that we've experienced in previous years. Now let's review total company results. Please turn to Slide 8.

Third quarter sales increased 10%, driven by Scott Springfield and organic growth in Climate Solutions. Climate Solutions growth was partially offset by $8 million of divestitures, along with the market-related volume declines in Performance Technologies.

Our gross margin improved 160 basis points to 24.3%, driven primarily by higher data center and IAQ sales volume more than offsetting the lower vehicular revenue. This sizable margin improvement was directly attributable to our overall transformation strategy and 80/20 methodology.

SG&A includes acquired expenses from the SSM business including incremental amortization related to intangible assets. It also includes higher salary and incentive compensation expenses directly related to our growth and improved performance.

As previously mentioned, we implemented several cost savings measures this quarter, resulting in $8.3 million of restructuring expenses. Adjusted EBITDA was strong again this quarter with an increase of 18% or $13 million. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 14.2%, representing a 100 basis point improvement from the prior year.

This quarter now represents the 12th consecutive quarter of year-over-year margin improvement. And these consistent results are being generated during very difficult market conditions across Performance Technologies. Our actions and performance will only continue to improve when those markets turn.

Adjusted earnings per share was $0.92, 24% higher from the prior year. It was another good quarter with revenue and earnings growth, momentum in our key growth markets allowed us to overcome challenges and others.

Now moving to the cash flow metrics. Please turn to Slide 9. We generated $45 million of free cash flow in the third quarter, consistent with the second quarter. Please note that the quarterly cash flow included $9 million of cash restructuring payments. This puts our year-to-date free cash flow at $102 million, which remains on track with our full year outlook.

Net debt of $287 million was $85 million lower than the prior fiscal year-end, and $40 million lower than last quarter. With a leverage ratio of 0.8, our balance sheet remains strong, and we anticipate another year of excellent cash flow.

Now let's turn to Slide 10 for our fiscal '25 outlook. With much of the year behind us, we're maintaining our fiscal '25 outlook for sales, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS, based on our Q3 results and market conditions, we now see full year revenue growth trending towards the lower end of the guidance range. This is primarily due to 2 factors: The first being softer-than-anticipated markets for Performance Technologies and the second being the recent negative impact of foreign exchange changes.

We remain quite positive for the overall Climate Solutions outlook. We are increasing the data center outlook while adjusting down HVAC&R and heat transfer products. We now expect data center sales to grow 110% to 120%, which follows 69% growth in the previous year.

For Performance Technologies, we have adjusted all ranges to reflect the current FX environment and ongoing weakness in all global commercial vehicle, off-highway and automotive markets. As for adjusted EBITDA, we anticipate a sequential improvement in Q4 earnings to be more in line with Q1 and Q2, which would put the full year slightly above the midpoint of the current adjusted EBITDA guidance range.

We currently expect adjusted EPS to remain in a range of $3.65 to $3.95 million and are currently trending towards the higher end of that range. Please note that assumptions for interest expense, taxes, amortization, depreciation expenses are summarized in the appendix attached to this presentation.

Our view of cash flow remains consistent with prior quarters with free cash flow expected to be in line or above the prior fiscal year. And before wrapping up, I'd like to make some comments regarding potential tariffs on U.S. imports from Canada, Mexico and China. We're anticipating a lot of chaos across the markets as the countries and customers navigate through the evolving situation, but we are confident in our ability to mitigate the risk for a number of reasons.

First, for the majority of Modine's global operations, we source, manufacture and sell within 1 geographic region, which eliminates most trade risks. In addition, we have a truly global footprint and can adjust our manufacturing and sourcing strategies as needed. For Climate Solutions, we have exposure tied to Canada and Mexico, but the vast majority of those sales are covered through commercial agreements with the ability to pass through tariffs to customers.

With regards to Performance Technologies, our tariff exposure is mostly related to our Mexico plant and associated maquiladora structure. As we've done in the past, we'll implement a tariff surcharge that will remain in place through the length of the tariffs.

From a supply chain perspective, we have less than 10% of our annual spend that is subject to the proposed tariff, for these materials will implement a number of strategies, including renegotiating with suppliers, passing through increases through pricing or resourcing as needed.

In terms of financial risks, our analysis shows that we can mitigate the majority of the combined tariff exposure. We'll also work to minimize any margin or lag effects tied to the pass-through or recovery of tariffs. We'll address each customer on a case-by-case basis using our 80/20 principles. The Modine team is accustomed to dealing with large raw material pricing as we've seen over the years in copper, aluminum and steel. The tariffs will certainly add a lot of complexity into the markets, but we can manage through it as we've done in the past.

To wrap up, we're pleased with the third quarter results and look forward to finishing the year strong. Our leaders have proven the ability to deliver in all market conditions, capturing exponential growth from certain mega trends and aggressively managing costs while other markets are down. 80/20 is about treating businesses differently, and we'll continue to execute on our strategic transformation while delivering another year of record results and corresponding shareholder returns.

With that, Neil and I will take your questions.

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And our first question comes from Chris Moore with CJS Securities.

Neil, you touched on this a little bit in terms of improved processing efficiency, large language modeling. From your perspective, it sounds like longer term, you're not worried. Are you seeing or hearing anything from customers regarding changes in build schedules for data center after the DeepSeek announcement .

Chris, thanks for the question. Yes, certainly, we've been -- we're in frequent conversations with our largest customers, particularly the hyperscaler customers, and this obviously has come up over the last several weeks. And we've talked to our customers, and they've assured us this does not change any of their build schedules over the next couple of years. They don't think it will be a low down for them. They continue to be firm in terms of their demand for AI applications. And we've seen that in some of the most recent earnings announcements from some of the large hyperscalers that have confirmed their CapEx spend for data center construction in the coming years. .

Got it. Very helpful. Maybe we just go a little bit deeper in terms of -- you talk about many requests for quotes on the CDU. Are these competitive bidding situations? Are there -- you talked about customization. Just trying to get a better sense in terms of time frames and if it's just Modine in there or in the beginning, are you competing with other people on some of these things.

Yes. No, that's a great question. Certainly, there's a lot of competition out there. But typically, where we're at is, it's a combination of you're doing competitive bidding, but at the same time, we're doing new product development. So as we're developing these solutions that are bespoke for the end user, bespoke for the colocation of the hyperscale we go through this competitive bidding process, but typically where we land is that we have the specifications that are in line with their needs, and we can provide those specifications.

So although there is some competitive bidding out there, if we do the new product development, right, we'll have the necessary features that will be desired by the customer that will help win the job ultimately.

Got it. And maybe just last one for me. I mean heat transfer product sales down, maybe just your thoughts there in the medium term?

Yes. No, it's a good question. I mean we've still seen the heat pump market go in the wrong direction. We've seen some of the -- where we have a full capacity with some of our larger customers, they're not utilizing our overpull capacity. They have enough capacity internally that they're not leveraging us for some of those coils, is starting to flatten out. We've seen orders kind of stabilize over the last couple of quarters. Year-over-year comparisons aren't the best.

But in terms of the order rate, we haven't seen the decline that we had in the beginning of the year. So we're starting to see that kind of taper off.

Our next question is from the line of Matt Summerville with D.A. Davidson.

You've got Canyon, on for Matt Summerville. As we think about SSM being up 40% sequentially and multiples larger on the data center side year-over-year. What's driving that upside? How does the, call it, 1- to 2-year growth outlook look like for this business? And how have orders and backlogs progressed to date within this business? And then I've got a follow-up.

So I'll talk about what's driving the business. We've established a really good relationship with a hyperscaler and we're gaining share. So our ability to develop new product for the next-generation data centers, our investment in our facilities, our investment in capital for the specific customer, our investment in R&D and labs for us to work together to create product for the next-generation data centers built a lot of credibility and trust. .

And with that credibility and trust and that investment comes to revenue and additional market share. So we enable the scale, we've been able to prove that we can scale with best-in-class on-time delivery, best-in-class quality standards.

And as long as we maintain those -- we maintain those key performance indicators, then the customer is going to stick with us as we continue to work with them to evolve into the next generation. So we've been winning share, and we're just building them out. That's where we're able to get a lot of the growth within Scott Springfield.

Switching over to Performance Technologies, based on where OEM indications are coming in, inventories and any other data points that Modine might look to when forecasting demand on this side, when should we start to think about the vehicular markets inflecting and returning to positive year-over-year growth?

Yes. It's Nick. I'll take that one. So we -- if we break it down by market, one of the things we've really started to see a little bit of a turn on the auto side, especially in Europe after a really slow December quarter, a lot of articles coming out this week about a pickup in January, especially on the European side and on EV auto sales.

So a little bit of rebound after a lot of shutdowns around the holidays on the auto side. Across medium- and heavy-duty truck, I think expectations are for us, and we're just following market conditions is it's going to be a soft 2025 on medium and heavy truck. And then when you look at ag and construction, people are expecting a little bit of pickup in, call it, the second half of 2025, and the only other thing I would say there is when we think about ag and construction, we play in very specific niche areas on the much larger engine excavators, mining equipment and so forth. So it could be a positive for us, and it can also be just a different data point than when people just put out a general aggregate construction data point.

Our next question is from the line of Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. .

Neil, maybe you already gave the most important answer in the opening around the signals from your customers and data center. But I just want to double-click on this, you talked about no changes in customer plans for the next couple of years. What's your confidence level today and the ability to achieve the targets you laid out at Investor Day? And what gives you that confidence? .

Yes. No, it's a fair question. And I remain as confident as I did when we presented the goals in September. We continue to build out the capacity. We continue to develop the product. We continue to build a moat with great relationships with these large customers. We continue to win market share in the colocation side. So those are the things that give me confidence. And not to the hyperscalers, we talk to the colocation customers. And the general comment is this news does not change their plans, assuming that that's true, that gives me confidence. .

You talked about the capacity planning that you're doing. Maybe just sort of benchmark for us, I think in the past you've shared a number of the capacity since you made in recent quarters, kind of get you to or above that $1 billion mark, but just sort of level set for us how you're doing capacity planning now and over the next couple of years to support those revenue levels.

Yes, fair question. That's a good question. No, it's always good, for a reminder there is it a lot, we've done a lot, and there's a lot of moving pieces. So our expansion in Guadalajara, Spain, for Continental Europe was a big piece as we converted an plant into data centers, an additional building that we acquired an additional factory that we acquired in Leeds region of the U.K. So we've doubled our capacity there in terms of square footage. We've done that in the United States and Mississippi and Virginia. We've done it in Canada by adding a plant.

So we went from essentially a year -- 2 years ago from 1.5 plants to roughly 10 facilities and those 10 facilities have in the capability to for us to grow beyond $1 billion of data center revenue, above $1 billion. And then most recently, as you're aware, now, the expansion in Asia as well is going to be helpful in terms of our ability to have reach globally, knowing that you have to be in region for region for infrastructure for data centers. .

Right. And to further clarify, there's the footprint there to support the greater than $1 billion and you're just going to be layering in incremental lines or shifts to basically ramp the revenues within the footprint? Is that the right way to think about it?

Totally. I mean it's all about adding additional capital in terms of just machine equipment, trust brakes, lasers and then assembly lines. So for example, what we're doing in our Virginia facility as we stood up the very first pilot line. We're now into 3 lines in that same facility, and then we're expanding additional lines as well. So you just kind of repeat, rinse and repeat and you essentially you duplicate the process and add a little bit of equipment inside of the brick-and-mortar .

Great. Last one for me, I think, for now. You talked a little bit about the actions you're taking in PET and Mick, thank you for sharing sort of the outlook across the end market. I just think it's helpful to understand what the new baseline will be because you've also talked about doing more AD20 and you shared the target of taking out another, I think, $300 million of revenues through that process over a couple of years. So when we do get the sort of upswing back in PT, how do we think about a new baseline? How much sort of 80/20 optimization is kind of coming out of prior revenue totals at this point? And how much more do you expect to do, say, by the time we're seeing that upswing later next year?

Noah, it's Mick. Thanks for the question. And -- there's a lot, you touched on a lot there, and it is a lot of the complexity. So we still believe and we're planning on about $300 million of planned product line exits, divestitures. So that we're still sticking to that. The complexity this year has been the market downturn on top of that.

So I'd say you kind of blend all the markets, there's a 10%, 15-plus percent volume drop across our base, and that's -- some of it is nonstrategic, but other parts is absolutely core. And I talked about the heavy-duty engines on the off-highway side. It's been a nice sweet spot for us, and that's been part that's pulled down the revenue.

All that said, I think the best way to think about it, honestly, is when we were at our IR day, we've guided to and we've talked about the Performance Technologies business kind of being flat in that flat range. I think we had 0% to 3%, and Neil and I started that a couple of years ago to, if you just kind of bake everything in ups and downs of the market, it's probably best as we think about it more, again, as more on the flat top line side, with a big lift on margins and will drive earnings through the margin improvement.

Could we do a little bit -- could we do better than that if the markets recover, or when they do, sure. And then at the same time, we'll naturally have a little bit of offset with some divestiture activity. So again, I think strategically, we're not looking to grow the top line there, but drive a lot of margin and earnings through the 80/20 activities.

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The next question is from the line of Brian Drab with William Blair. .

Maybe just to kind of continue on with that last line of thinking. We talked about 16% to 18% EBITDA margin, of course, at the Investor Day as well. And I'm just wondering if you could give us an update like some more current thoughts? Where do you think you can exit fiscal '25 in terms of EBITDA margin and have the market dynamics at all changed your expectation for where you end up in fiscal '27?

Yes. This is Mick again. I'll take the first crack at that -- the -- we expect to end this fiscal year and in the Q4, as I commented, typical to other patterns where we see a lot of of fewer production days in Q3, we see a step-up in revenue in Q4 that happened last year, and I'm sure if we look back over time that's been consistent. So with that step up in sequential volume, we sit in the cost reduction. We expect to end the year with a nice margin step-up from Q3 and probably could be the highest margin of the year. So exiting this fiscal year at a higher margin, well in that 15% to 16% range. .

The Climate Solutions group and the leverage of the data center business has been phenomenal. They are -- that business is well ahead of our plans and trajectory, next year, we are willing to manage, and we will drive margin improvements on Performance Technologies, assuming the markets stay at these levels. And as the markets recover or when they recover, that will be additional upside.

So we still believe quite strongly that by fiscal '27, so in 1 year out, that Performance Technologies can be in that 15% to 18% range. At that point, if you blend it with Climate Solutions will be well within the targeted range that we set the company out to achieve.

Okay. And then on data center, when you say that you're gaining share in data center, can you just help me think about that? Are you saying in part that maybe you're selling air handlers in the large part and now you're selling chillers to hyperscalers or is it that you're winning in a particular geography, maybe Europe and now you're winning business with that customer in North America? Can you just speak a little more specifically about those share gains?

Yes. The majority of the share gains are in North America, we're winning share in North America against the competition. So where we didn't compete in the past, we have facilities, factories, labs, products, and that ranges from everything that you mentioned, chillers to track crawls, well, CDUs, our optimizer software that product set, that product portfolio that we've introduced in the North America is where we're gaining share. .

Okay. Got it. And then I'll just ask one more for now, if I can. In India, there are some massive projects being discussed. I mean there's one project you talked about to be 3 gigawatts eventually. Are these the types of opportunities that you're seeing that you're going after in India, and it seems like you're trying to ramp up capabilities there pretty quickly. .

No, it's a great question. And we're going to India because our customers have asked us to follow them and where those opportunities are, it's not just in India, but it's in Southeast Asia. It's in Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, all those areas or all those regions are ripe for growth, they're not all 3 gigawatts.

I mean that's -- those are unique and special, but there's plenty there that are more on the traditional side that we can serve and support. Certainly, we would love to be able to participate in those larger projects, and we'll put the capacity in place as needed. But we're working with our customers and where our customers ask us, we're going to deploy our products, and we're going to set up facilities to support them as they win share in those regions. That's a great question.

The next question is from the line of Jeffrey Van Sinderen with B. Riley Securities.

Just wanted to follow up on the hyperscalers. Just wondering, at this point, are you working with all the hyperscalers. And then regarding the RFQs for the CDU, I don't know if you mentioned sort of what the dollar size could be in initial orders there and then when first deliveries might happen?

Yes, it's a good question. Yes. So we are working with all the hyperscalers to some level. It doesn't necessarily mean we have orders with all of them, but we are -- and we do have conversations and we're building relationships with all of them, and they are at varying degrees of how far along we are in the process.

Some obviously, we have large orders with and we have long-term relationships with one of them over a decade. But it doesn't preclude us from talking to the other. Certainly, we're in those conversations. They're interested in our product. They're interested in our solutions. They're all -- they all want to talk about our large capabilities and some of the different features that we provide into this environment for our total cost of ownership.

I think we have a great brand out there and we're recognized for us. But yes, we're in conversations with all of them and have orders with some of them. Relative to CDU we look to have revenue, middle of our next fiscal year. That's an interesting product because we're developing that real time with our customers. So there's a lot of testing and validation that has to go into place because we don't want to have just a traditional CDU, standard black box CDU.

Other people can provide that. We're looking to provide differentiation and value. So in order to do that, we want to make sure that we can provide a product that can work in tandem with our chillers or our crack so that they can get full efficiency and better total cost of ownership. So as we do that new product development, we're okay, we're taking our time and making sure we're doing it right so that we can differentiate in the market.

Okay. That's helpful. And then you also mentioned service as part of the data center business and building a moat with some great customer relationships there. Can you speak more about, I guess, the strategy with service, how much of your business that is running at this point, kind of what the attach rate is.

Yes. So we primarily -- our concentration for service in the data center business is primarily in the U.K., where we started. You go back a couple of years ago, we were a relatively small data center business and the majority of that was in the U.K. And we had anywhere between 70 and 100 service personnel just supporting the London area alone. We like that model, and we want to replicate that model as we continue to grow inside of North America.

As you know, with our chiller facilities that we've expanded, and our ability to ship more cracks and crawls out of the United States. And as we've gained share in the United States, we'll have to build that capability, and we're in the process of doing that. So we brought over some fantastic talent from the U.K. to help us start that up, and we can start to saturate specific areas in the United States in Atlanta and Northern Virginia, Seattle, areas where we can have concentrations of service people to support our customers and we can provide value real time.

We can provide start-up installation. We can do proactive maintenance, reactive maintenance, all the things that they're going to need so that we can stay close to our customers, and we can help them real time. And obviously, that's just another foot in the door as a selling feature to say, "Hey, we're not only here with our product, but we're here to make sure that, that product is running at optimized production rates."

So it's a model that we used in the U.K. It's a model that we've been told by our customers, particularly in the colocation side in the U.K. that they appreciate it and they like it. We want to replicate it because we did so well with it in the U.K., we want to replicate it in the U.S.

I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Kathy Powers. .

Thank you, and thanks to everyone for joining us this morning. The replay of the call will be available through our website in about 2 hours. We hope everybody has a great day. Thanks. .

This will conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines at this time.