Magnolia Oil & Gas Corp

NYSE:MGY

Earnings Call Analysis

Magnolia Oil & Gas Reports Strong Q3 Results and Solid 2024 Guidance

Magnolia Oil & Gas achieved impressive Q3 results with total net income of $106 million, driving adjusted EBITDAX to $244 million and a 10% production increase to 90,700 BOE per day. They expect Q4 capital spending around $125 million, with total production projected at 93,000 BOE daily, marking high single-digit year-over-year growth. Operating costs were reduced to $10.83 per BOE, and the company targets a $0.13 quarterly dividend for sustainable growth. Total liquidity stands at $726 million, with plans for ongoing share repurchases and strategic acquisitions to enhance value into 2025.

Strong Q3 Performance and Growth Trajectory

Magnolia Oil & Gas reported robust performance for Q3 2024, with net income totaling $106 million, while adjusted net income reached $100 million, equating to $0.51 per diluted share. Total production volumes increased by 10% YoY, averaging 90,700 barrels of oil equivalent per day (BOE/d). Notably, their annualized return on capital employed was a remarkable 22%, demonstrating effective capital management strategies over the past years.

Effective Cost Management and Free Cash Flow Generation

The company achieved significant reductions in field operating costs, bringing them down to $5.33 per BOE for the quarter, which is an 11% decline compared to Q1 2024. With free cash flow of $126 million generated during the quarter, Magnolia returned 70% of it to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. This disciplined financial strategy reflects their commitment to returning value to investors while maintaining a strong balance sheet.

Increased Capital Expenditure Guidance

Looking forward, Magnolia anticipates capital spending for drilling completions and associated facilities to be approximately $470 million for the full year 2024, which aligns with prior guidance. Specifically, Q4 2024 capital spending is projected at about $125 million, indicating a slight uptick in activity compared to earlier forecasts due to operational efficiencies. This includes plans for an additional 4-well pad in Giddings.

Production Expectations and Strategic Outlook

Magnolia expects to achieve approximately 93,000 BOE/d in production for Q4 2024, reflecting high single-digit year-over-year growth. The company remains focused on maintaining this growth trajectory into 2025, highlighting an ongoing commitment to capital efficiency and operational flexibility amid market fluctuations.

Dividends and Share Repurchase Plans

The company has grown its dividends consistently, with a recent annual increase of 13% to $0.52 per share. With 3.9 million shares left for repurchase under the existing program, Magnolia emphasizes its plan to continue using free cash flow to enhance shareholder returns while reducing the diluted share count by 5% YoY.

Contingencies and Risk Management

Operational challenges arose from unplanned midstream outages, temporarily impacting gas and NGL production by approximately 1,000 BOE/d. However, the management remains optimistic about resolving these issues and sees them as manageable risks. Notably, Magnolia operates with a low debt profile and is currently unhedged on oil and gas production, which management views as advantageous for maximizing exposure to commodity price movements.

Earnings Call Transcript 2024-Q3

[Operator]

Good morning, everyone and thank you for participating in Magnolia Oil & Gas Corporation's Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Cindy, and I will be your moderator for today's call. [Operator Instructions] Our call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Magnolia's management for their prepared remarks which will be followed by a brief question-and-answer session.

[Tom Fitter, executive]

Thank you, Cindy, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Magnolia Oil & Gas' Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Participating on the call today are Chris Stavros, Magnolia's President and Chief Executive Officer; and Brian Corales, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

As a reminder, today's conference call contains certain projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements. Additional information on risk factors that could cause results to differ is available in the company's annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. A full safe harbor can be found on Slide 2 of the conference call slide presentation with the supplemental data on our website.

You can download Magnolia's third quarter 2024 earnings press release as well as the conference call slides from the Investors section of the company's website at www.magnoliaoilgas.com.

I will now turn the call over to Mr. Chris Stavros.

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today for a discussion of our third quarter 2024 financial and operating results. I will provide some comments on our quarterly results, which demonstrate the continued execution of our full year 2024 plan and the consistency of our business model as well as highlighting some of our accomplishments. And finally, provide an early look into 2025. Brian will then review our third quarter financial results in greater detail and provide some additional guidance before we take your questions.

As I continually remind the financial community that Magnolia's primary goals and objectives, so to be the most efficient operator of best-in-class oil and gas assets, generate the highest return on those assets while employing the least amount of capital for drilling and completing wells. We also strive to return a substantial portion of our free cash flow to our shareholders in the form of ongoing share repurchases and a secure and growing dividend.

Finally, we plan to utilize some of the excess cash generated by the business to pursue attractive bolt-on oil and gas property acquisitions, where we have built a competitive advantage and leverage both our technical knowledge and experience in the basis where we operate.

Acquisitions are targeted not to simply replace the oil and gas that has already been produced, but importantly, to improve the opportunity set of our overall business, enhance the ongoing sustainability of our high returns and increase our dividend per share payout capacity. We look for acquisition opportunities to provide upside optionality with a lower cost of entry and that are both financially accretive and accretive to our stock. We firmly believe that our business model and strategy provide us with a durable competitive advantage to sustain our moderate growth over time and allowing us to access serial compounders of value for our shareholders.

Looking at Slide 3 of the investor presentation, we delivered another consistent quarter of strong financial and operational performance, which include our initiatives to lower our field level operating costs. I want to commend our operations team, field workers and supply chain team for their continued efforts through this year to reduce our operating costs and improve the efficiency of our capital program. These actions have resulted in improved margins and additional free cash flow that can be used to enhance Magnolia's per share value.

Total company production during the third quarter was approximately 91,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day and in line with our earlier guidance. Overall, our quarterly production was impacted by multiple unplanned third-party midstream facility outages, some of which occurred late in the period. These outages primarily affected our natural gas and NGL production by approximately 1,000 BOE per day during the quarter and were fully resolved by the end of the period.

Total company oil production during the third quarter was nearly 39,000 barrels per day, which represented growth of 18% from year ago levels, and we expect this level to remain resilient into the fourth quarter. Production in the Giddings area was 68,700 barrels of oil equivalent per day during the quarter, growing 12% compared to the year ago quarter, with Giddings oil production growing 24% on a year-over-year basis. We continue to see strong overall well performance throughout our assets, which underpins the strength in our earnings and free cash flow.

As we wind down the year, we continue to expect high single-digit year-over-year total production growth for 2024, with this year's oil production now anticipated to exceed the total BOE rate of growth. We spent $103 million drilling and completing wells during the third quarter, which is well below our capital guidance of $120 million and represented just 42% of our adjusted EBITDAX of $244 million. This lower-than-expected level of capital spending resulted from a mix of ongoing drilling and completion efficiencies are -- a decline in our overall well costs and a small amount of capital, which is deferred into the fourth quarter.

The improvements in well costs and ongoing overall spending efficiencies have provided us with spare capacity within our capital plan which will allow us to drill an additional 4-well pad in Giddings during the fourth quarter that was not part of our originally planned 2024 capital and activity. We expect this additional path to be a [indiscernible] at year-end with anticipated completion sometime in the first half of 2025.

This pad should provide us with some additional operational flexibility into next year. As I said, I'm very proud of the hard work shown by our operating personnel in the field. Their continual efforts have helped us to further reduce our field level operating cost to $5.33 per BOE in the third quarter, a decline of 11% compared to this year's first quarter and exceeding our earlier target to lower our lease operating costs by 5% to 10% during the second half of 2024.

Realized savings over this period came from a mix of improved pricing and product substitutions for workovers, water hauling, chemicals and replacement parts in the field. Additional savings are being seen from optimizing our contract labor needs for some of our field rental equipment through the implementation of field management software, which has reduced our cost for water hauling, and will be further utilized to lower costs from other field services over time and into next year.

Low capital spending and further reductions in our lease operating costs led to improved free cash flow generation of $126 million during the third quarter. we returned $88 million or 70% of our free cash flow to shareholders through a combination of our quarterly base dividend and ongoing share repurchase program. Our high-quality assets and capital discipline inherent in our business model provides for a low reinvestment rate and consistent free cash flow generation.

Our plan is to continue to return a significant portion of this free cash flow to our shareholders to grow share repurchases and growing base dividend. We also continue to look for attractive bolt-on acquisitions to utilize our knowledge and experience, have the ability to generate returns well above our cost of capital and can work to sustain the durability of our business model.

During the third quarter, we completed several small transactions at both our Giddings and [ Conn's ] operating areas, acquiring royalty, lease sold and incremental working interest totaling $15 million. These deals increase the value of our future development locations in these areas. As we close out 2024 and look forward to next year, we plan to execute the same business model that has delivered both strong operating and financial results over the past 6 years. The recent initiatives we have taken this year, focusing on reducing both our field LOE and our well costs allow us to endure product price volatility and position us for success into 2025.

I'll now turn the call over to Brian for further details on our third quarter financial and operating results in addition to fourth quarter guidance.

[Brian Corales, executive]

Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. I will review some items from our third quarter results and refer to the presentation slides found on our website. I'll also provide some additional guidance for the fourth quarter of 2024, before turning it over for questions.

Beginning on Slide 4, as Chris discussed, Magnolia had an excellent third quarter. During the quarter, we generated total net income of $106 million and total adjusted net income of $100 million or $0.51 per diluted share. Our adjusted EBITDAX for the quarter was $244 million, with total capital associated with drilling completions and associated facilities of $103 million or just 42% of our adjusted EBITDAX.

Third quarter total production volumes grew 10% year-over-year to 90,700 barrels of oil equivalent per day, and our diluted share count fell by 5% year-over-year to 198.4 million shares. Our annualized return on capital employed during the third quarter was 22%, showing our continued capital efficiency.

Looking at the quarterly cash flow waterfall chart on Slide 5. We started the quarter with $276 million of cash. Cash flow from operations before changes in working capital for the third quarter was $241 million, with working capital changes and other small items impacting cash by $33 million. Total drilling completions and associated facilities capital incurred, including leasehold was $105 million. As Chris mentioned, we closed multiple small royalty and working interest deals during the third quarter for $15 million.

We paid dividends of $27 million and allocated [ $61 million ] towards share repurchases, ending the quarter with $276 million of cash. Looking at Slide 6. This chart illustrates the progress in reducing our total outstanding shares since we began our share repurchase program in the second half of 2019. Since that time, we have repurchased 70.7 million shares leading to a decrease in diluted shares outstanding of approximately 23%.

Magnolia's weighted average fully diluted share count declined by more than 2 million shares sequentially, averaging 198.4 million shares during the quarter. We have 3.9 million shares remaining under our current share repurchase authorization, which are specifically directed toward repurchasing Class A shares in the open market.

Turning to Slide 7. Our dividend has grown substantially over the past few years, including a 13% increase announced early this year, to $0.13 per share on a quarterly basis. Our next quarterly dividend is payable on December 2 and provides an annualized dividend payout rate of $0.52 per share. Our plan for annualized dividend growth is an important part of Magnolia's investment proposition and supported by our overall strategy of achieving moderate annual production growth reducing our outstanding shares and increasing the dividend payout capacity of the company.

Magnolia has the benefit of a very strong balance sheet, and we ended the quarter with $276 million of cash and $400 million of senior notes, which mature in 2026. Including our third quarter ending cash balance and our undrawn $450 million revolving credit facility, our total liquidity is $726 million. Our condensed balance sheet as of September 30 is shown on Slide 8.

Turning to Slide 9 and looking at our per unit cash costs and operating income margins. Total revenue per BOE decreased year-over-year due to the decline in oil prices when compared to the third quarter of 2023. Our total adjusted cash operating costs including G&A, were $10.83 per BOE in the third quarter of 2024, an increase of $0.15 per BOE or 1% compared to year ago levels. And a decrease of $0.27 per BOE or 2% sequentially from the second quarter of '24. The sequential decrease was primarily a function of lower LOE and production taxes. Our operating income margin for the third quarter was $15.45 per BOE or 39% of our total revenue.

Turning to guidance on Slide 10. We expect our full year 2024 drilling completion associated facilities capital spending to be approximately $470 million, around the midpoint of our original guidance from February of $450 million to $480 million. This includes slightly more activity than originally planned with the addition of a 4-well pad being drilled and Giddings during the fourth quarter.

We expect fourth quarter drilling and completion associated facilities capital of approximately $125 million. Total production for the fourth quarter is estimated to be approximately 93,000 BOE a day, delivering high single-digit total year-over-year production growth during '24, with annual oil production growth slightly higher than BOE growth. Oil price differentials are anticipated to be approximately a $3 per barrel discount to Magellan East Houston and Magnolia remains completely unhedged for all of its oil and natural gas production.

The fully diluted share count for the fourth quarter of 2024 is expected to be approximately 197 million shares, which is 5% lower than fourth quarter 2023 levels. We expect our effective tax rate to be approximately 21% and our cash rate to be approximately 5% to 7% for both the fourth quarter and the total year. This is lower than our prior guidance due to a refund we received during the third quarter this year.

We're now ready to take your questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Neal Dingmann of Truist Securities.

[Neal Dingmann, analyst]

My first question is on your remarkable continued Giddings growth. Specifically, I realize much of the last quarter growth was a result of that prior acquisition, but I was just wondering, could you all discuss the continued drivers around the success of these assets that enabled you to keep the reinvestment rate so low around this?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Yes. Trrick or Treat, Neil. Next to the comments and question. Look, I'll tell you this takes a village, it's never easy. And we've been working at this for a pretty good long time now, more than 6 years, call it, 7 years. We have some fantastic talented people, geologists, geophysicists, reservoir engineers drilling and completion folks. All of them have been integral in getting us to where we are now. So I thank them for that. On Day 1, we didn't necessarily understand it, but we knew that we had a field with a lot of oil and hydrocarbons in place. And that through some time and work and practice sort of like riding a bike that we could figure it out. And I think we have shown by the progress that we've made. So the point of the acquisitions that you mentioned is to expand off of our knowledge. Our knowledge is sort of the springboard and a base, but the acquisitions sort of designed to take us beyond what we may already know and have figured out ad act as sort of little tentacles tributaries to get us even further beyond what we already know.

So the benefit of a little bit to your question, the benefit of the low reinvestment rate, Giddings does have generally, what we've seen anyway is a subtler decline rate than a typical shale area. Certainly a lower decline rate than what we see in [indiscernible]. The performance of the wells has typically exceeded our expectations over time. We drilled more than 100 in Gen 3 wells and Giddings and we're often surprised typically over time in a positive way.

So we continue to do what we're doing. We learn more every day, every time we put down a well. And I think we'll continue to benefit from that knowledge and experience, and it will take us further, not just through the field but provide us with other opportunities where we can utilize some of that understanding subsurface. So I hope that gives you a little color.

[Neal Dingmann, analyst]

It does well, Chris. And then my second question just around your announced multiple unplanned third-party midstream facility outages. While the recent outages I know you talked about have been completely rectified. Are you concerned about more of these reoccurring outages? And further, would you consider spending any of your capital towards future infrastructure maybe to address some of this?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Yes. Well, all of this is around having control. And in a perfect scenario, you'd love to have all of the control around your destiny, in terms of being able to produce what you want to produce and take it to where you wanted to take it and from a pipeline and facility standpoint.

So, unfortunately, Magnolia is of a size where we need to work with some larger midstream organizations that have the specific knowledge and capability and capitalization to do this. But I wouldn't exactly -- if I was trying to set my watch to these guys, I wouldn't exactly feel overly confident around doing that. So it is what it is. And if I had some concern around predictability and reliability going forward, it might be more around power than anything else because you just never know and some of the issues that they faced without calling out anything specifically, some of the issues that were faced were around power.

And that could be an ongoing issue going forward. I continue to be concerned about reliability related to power, and we'll sort of see how that goes. But would we consider doing something in terms of our own capital going forward? I think in a big way, unlikely right now, maybe over time, but I don't see it in a big, broad fashion that would allow us to have ultimate control of what we would like to do. You sort of have to take it for what it is. And we work with them best we can and and I know they try. But there's weather issues, there's power issues, there's breakdowns and whatnot. And which over time seems to become more of a common practice. So I would ask that they go -- try to go above and beyond what's been their recent history.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Phillips Johnston of Capital One.

[Unknown Analyst]

It's pretty clear the LOE optimization program is paying off. I realize you guys don't have any guidance out there for next year. But just from a directional standpoint, where do you think both unit LOE costs and unit GP&T costs will trend in '25 relative to your second half kind of exit rate? And I guess with the natural gas trip looking higher for next year. How might that impact either [indiscernible] ?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Yes. Thanks for the question. We've done, I think, what's been a pretty decent job in terms of reducing costs, as I said, double-digit reductions from where we had been early in the year, second half. We're always looking to improve, and I will never say that we're done. I would say that maintaining these levels is probably fair going forward, and we'll continue to push beyond that. And we may see some additional small to modest gains before the year is done and into next year, I certainly would press for that. But you're constantly pushing back on underlying field inflation as well as increasing environmental and regulatory requirements. So like I said, we'll always look for more to improve our margins. But I think it would be great if we can at least hold these levels into 2025 and maybe see some modest improvement.

But I think it puts us in a good place for should product prices weaken, even further into next year. So I think this has all been a good exercise for us.

[Unknown Analyst]

Okay. Sounds good. And then on the $15 million worth of small deals that closed in the quarter, was there any significant production that came in to [indiscernible] Won in the quarter would that have closed?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

No, there was not. These were really incremental working interest mineral interest and some things of that nature, but there was really nothing around production that was any consequence.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Oliver Huang of Tudor, Pickering.

[Unknown Analyst]

I wanted to start out on services. I was hoping that you all might be able to speak to how you all feel about where service costs sit today relative to the oil and gas commodities from an alignment perspective looks like it's continuing to trend in the right direction based off what you all saw this past quarter, but really just trying to get a better sense of how you all think cost might trend moving into 2025.

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Yes. Thanks, Oliver. It really -- it was worked partly into the capital savings that we -- or the lower capital that we had in the third quarter and to some extent, provides us with a little bit of that flexibility for the fourth quarter to drill that extra pad. I would tell you that things have been softer than I would have anticipated or expected from, say, a month to 2 months ago. And the timing was such for us as well, where we were kind of falling within a period where we had some recent renegotiations with some of our key services and materials contracts that I think -- have allowed for some additional small incremental savings going into next year.

And I'm talking mid-single-digit type savings into next year. And again, across the board, this OCTG, steel casing pressure pumping, rigs and the other categories as well, really, all of those are sort of averaging in the mid-single digits, plus or minus, depending on which one. So we're still seeing some of that. And just on the capital going into next year -- we will -- as I said, we'll be able to grow moderately into the next year.

I fully anticipate certainly at current commodity levels, pricing levels and sticking within our 55% cap on cash flow in terms of capital spend, we'll be able to grow sort of mid-single digits. But I -- tough for me to see our capital being higher then -- or certainly not much higher, if at all, than 2024 going into next year. I think we have a good amount of flexibility built in. But the way things stand right now, I it's looking at sort of similar at [indiscernible] per best.

[Unknown Analyst]

Perfect. That's super helpful color. And maybe just for a second question, on your land position. I know the legacy position had been in the high 90s percent from HBP perspective, when considering some of the bigger packages over the last year, both in April in that core Giddings area and even the one up north that closed late last year, is there anything that we should be aware of in terms of just required drilling or lease obligations and how that might impact near-term capital allocation decisions?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

No, it's very similar to what it had been. There's nothing meaningful that would have changed in terms of creating additional obligations necessarily at all really, not from those deals.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Carlos Escalante of Wolfe Research.

[Unknown Analyst]

I'm asking on behalf of Carlos. So the question is, even though you pulled early the 4-well pad, it looks like the capital uptick is minimal, not a material deviation from your ratable quarterly D&C spend. So in that sense, how much of the D&C costs are accounted for? Is it only drilling? Is it both? Otherwise, is the incremental capital just a proxy for your continued capital efficiency improvements?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Yes. I don't know about it being a proxy for anything on a continual basis is that it can fluctuate from quarter-to-quarter just depending on the timing of activity. But we did include in our forecast for the fourth quarter, we did include the drilling costs for that pad that we will drill, which I would tell you to be approximately $10 million to $15 million roughly. So that's all incorporated into that.

[Unknown Analyst]

Okay. Perfect. And my next question was regarding the LOE target reduction. On top of what's the right go-forward number? And if you can add color on how you got there? Because in our view, depending on what it is, it can be a moving goalpost instead of a fixed number.

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Well, as I said, I expect that there may be some modest fluctuation. The direct LOE is a lot of what we're working on, but there's a lot of components within there. So you've got work over costs and workovers that depending on workover activity and what may be needed from time to time, period to period, that may create some small, modest fluctuation quarter-to-quarter. There's not a ton of control over that. Sometimes you just need to do what you need to do. But I would tell you that in almost every respect in every bucket of costs, we've made positive inroads in terms of reducing those things, particularly around direct LOE and field management software implementation.

So I think there's more to be had, more to be picked up. But again, there's always things that you're pushing back on, as I mentioned, some regulatory matters and environmental items, things of that nature and some general field inflation. But I do believe that where we were in the third quarter, is at least as good a proxy for going forward, and I do believe we can do better than that. So going into next year, to [ 525 to 535 ] is sort of feels pretty good to me.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Noah Hungness of Bank of America.

[Noah Hungness, analyst]

I wanted to ask first just on the general M&A market and kind of how you see the opportunity set both at Giddings and the broader Eagle Ford trend. Is it currently more of these small $5 million to $15 million bolt-on acquisitions? Or are there larger opportunities in the hundreds or million dollars as well?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

I would tell you, it's all of the above, and I certainly hope so. Because we look at a lot of things -- and a lot of this -- or certainly some of it and the smaller items oftentimes are driven by our land group that has a -- what I would call more like a ground game and looks at opportunities driven by sometimes our existing areas or things that are adjacent to where we've been, where we operate or where we're drilling. So some of that is just small pickups to improve the value of things that we'll be drilling going forward.

There are other larger asset packages that are certainly out there, some that are being run through a process so that we may look to drive ourselves if possible. But no, there are certainly a number of opportunities that we continue to look at of varying quality and -- what I would tell you is that we've got a very good quality hand. And so I look at it from a sense of I've got the deck in front of me, and I want to pick up cards that positively add to my hand if that's the way that I can kind of describe it.

So you always want to try to improve the business, not make it more difficult or complex for yourself. So we're -- it's a high bar. But we kick a lot of tires, and I think there's quite a few opportunities out there.

[Noah Hungness, analyst]

No, that makes a ton of sense. And then I guess the next one is just on your thought process around choosing to pull your activity forward with the continued D&C efficiency gains you all have seen. Why would you -- why are you choosing to pull activity forward versus maybe take the CapEx savings? And then also, if we move into '25 and we run into a similar issue in the fourth quarter of '25, would you also think about pulling activity forward then as well?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Well, I think a little bit is around maybe our view in terms of how things are evolving with product prices as you go into next year, it still feels somewhat soft. And my view around pulling it forward, providing ourselves with a little bit more operational flexibility, optionality, seems like a good idea, given the -- maybe a little bit more uncertainty on product prices. So my view is, why not? We're not short of money. And this is -- we're talking about $10 million, $15 million. So I mean banking it as opposed to creating more optionality, flexibility in our program seems to me to be the better course of action decision. So I'll take it.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Neil Mehta of Goldman Sachs.

[Neil Mehta, analyst]

Just one tactical question was strategic tactical one. It looked like there were some midstream interruptions in the quarter that you called out. It sounds like those have largely been resolved, but do you feel good about those challenges going forward and you have confidence that you kind of worked through it.

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Yes, I feel good. I mean I responded a little bit earlier to it. I feel good about where we are. I mean, everything has been resolved and we're all good to go. And these things do happen from time to time. And it's -- you work with your third-party midstream providers as best you can. And they've, I think, done a reasonable job around responding to issues. But as I said, there's -- there's certainly sometimes things that occur on the power side or unplanned, unforeseen circumstances that where these facilities can be exposed to issues. And anyway, they're fine, everything is fine now. And so I think we're good to go.

[Neil Mehta, analyst]

Good. All right. Very good. And then the second one, just the philosophy around hedging, as you know, you're almost completely unhedged for your oil and gas production. And just step back and talk about why you think that is the right philosophy? And would that -- what would it take for you ever to be more aggressive in terms of managing managing the risk and hedging forward. So just thinking about your philosophy on hedging.

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

The point or the way you mentioned it about being almost completely unhedged. Now we are unhedged, not almost unhedged. We are totally unhedged. Look, my philosophy around it is sort of like fire insurance. And that's always how we thought about it. And it's like trying to predict the fire and about your need for the insurance in the first place. And these are risks -- inherent risks in the business. And we don't take a lot of financial risk. We don't have a lot of debt. And so there's a cost to the hedge, just like you pay a premium for insurance, there's a cost of hedge. And I think it complicates the business. I think it's something that we don't need. And my view is that when I think about how folks who own us in terms of the investors, shareholders who own us, they wanted that exposure to the commodity with the understanding that they could also sleep at night and that we won't have any issues on the financial side, given our low leverage.

So I think we have -- this allows for full exposure to commodity prices on the upside with protection on the downside given our low levels of debt. So I think it's an optimal position or situation to be in, and that's sort of the philosophy.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Tim Rezvan of KeyBanc Capital Markets.

[Timothy Rezvan, analyst]

I'd like to follow up on the prior question. Obviously, you don't need to have traditional hedges given the balance sheet strength. But I think the decision to hedge basis is really sort of independent of the balance sheet, given a lot of the dynamics going on right now. We talked to your team recently and we heard that you're not concerned by base has blown out at Houston Ship Channel. Some of your public peers have a different view. We've seen ship channel in [indiscernible] out about $0.20 for the next couple of years. So just if you could talk about Chris about why you're comfortable not doing basis swaps. Do you feel like there's overblown fears about what [ Matterhorn ] is going to do to the Gulf Coast area. I love your comments on that.

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Yes. I'll try on this one. But -- as you can imagine and I understand it's obviously complicated. I think we're pretty confident around ship channel and that -- look, it's the second best hub, I guess, to sell our gas after Henry Hub. And as you said, it's about $0.20. So the additional volume coming to the [ Katy ] area on Matterhorn is probably at this point, priced into the curve and it's best -- we think and our understanding of this is not better than necessarily anyone else's by any means.

There's, I guess, [indiscernible] is not 2.5 million Bcf -- [indiscernible] Bcf a day long gas, and we don't see an immediate flood of gas coming on to Matterhorn from like sort of like a dam breaking. So the initial flows that happened in early October, I think it's about [ 250 million ] a day. That's only one interconnect completed. There'll be some additional interconnects that get completed and more and more gas will be able to find a home into the other interconnected pipeline storage facilities. But as it ramps, this will likely take some time. And I think there's other factors that will probably -- will probably benefit from the Plaquemines LNG facility coming on in a commercial service, and that will pull some gas that's coming south from the Northeast away from our market, the Texas market and maybe provide some offset to Matterhorn.

So whether or not this is all a one-for-one offset? I just don't know. So there's just a lot of moving parts around this that I think could potentially offset impacts from the Matterhorn line. But what I would say is trying to hedge basis here is challenging and probably would amount more speculation on our part, which is something that just we're not going to do.

[Timothy Rezvan, analyst]

Okay. That's a good answer. I appreciate that context. And then just I want to circle back on your prepared comments on oil, Chris. I just want to make sure we understand what you're saying. You talked about oil exceeding BOE growth, that's pretty clear. You said you expect oil to remain resilient into the fourth quarter. Should we take that to mean like the current low 40s oil SKU is something you think is sustainable? I'm just trying to understand what that means.

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Yes. I think what it means for the fourth quarter is that the oil volumes we anticipate will be about flat going into the fourth quarter. Now maybe it will be a little bit better. I don't -- I just don't know yet. But my guess is that it will be about flattish from where we were third quarter on the volume side and the overall BOEs obviously will be up a little bit. But generally, that should hold us in and around a similar percentage, if you will.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Sean Mitchell of Daniel Energy Partners.

[Unknown Analyst]

You talked a little bit about it earlier, Chris. You guys have been very consistent in kind of finding these bolt-on opportunities and you kind of referred to -- we'd like to make a good hand. Is it getting harder? I mean you've been doing this for a while. I'm just thinking are the bolt-ons going to get harder to make a hand, in kind of '25 and beyond? Or do you still feel pretty good about it?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

No, I don't think it's harder. I just think you have to be -- you have to have some level of patience around it, and you can't just lung it every opportunity. Like I said, we kick a lot of tankers. And there's a lot of things, a lot of smaller private folks out there or opportunities that sometimes you just have to think out of the box and and try to create through your understanding of what you have and relationships that you have in and around areas that you operate. So I think it's you may have to be more thoughtful about it -- thought I'd be -- yes, I think there's going to continue to be opportunities out there.

[Unknown Analyst]

Okay. And then maybe one follow-up. You mentioned in the earlier comments on the midstream facilities and power potentially being a problem if you saw something in the future. Is -- are you thinking more in terms of power generation or transmission when you think about potential problems for power?

[Christopher Stavros, executive]

Sometimes when I think about it, it's probably all of the above. And I wouldn't tell you it's necessarily just in our neck of the woods at all. It's lower [ 48 ] issue. And there's increasing demands on obviously around pull on power. And that will only grow. And so you just have to understand that capabilities and generation are susceptible just like anything else. And we've seen it related to weather issues to some extent, partly that.

But as demand and pull on facilities grows that makes things tighter over time and only potentially more problematic. And I'm not speaking for us specifically, I just think this is a growing issue that folks need to consider.

[Operator]

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