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Jabil Inc
Earnings Call Analysis
Q3-2024 Analysis
Jabil Inc
Jabil reported a robust third quarter with revenues of $6.8 billion, exceeding the midpoint of its guidance by $265 million. This strong performance was fueled by higher-than-expected growth in connected devices, networking, and storage markets .
The Diversified Manufacturing Services (DMS) segment delivered $3.4 billion in revenue, predominantly driven by connected devices, though it saw a year-over-year decline of 23% due to the mobility divestiture. On the other hand, the Electronics Manufacturing Services (EMS) segment also reached $3.4 billion, with a 5.7% core margin, up 20 basis points year-over-year .
Core operating income for the quarter was $350 million, representing 5.2% of revenue—an increase of 40 basis points compared to the previous year. The company's net interest expense outperformed expectations at $64 million due to improved working capital management. Diluted earnings per share came in at $1.89 on a core basis, slightly ahead of guidance .
Jabil generated $515 million in operating cash flow during the third quarter and achieved $450 million in adjusted free cash flow. The company’s healthy balance sheet is reflected in its debt to core EBITDA ratio of 1.2x and a cash balance of $2.5 billion. This strong financial position supports the completion of ongoing share repurchase programs .
For the fourth quarter, Jabil anticipates revenues between $6.3 billion and $6.9 billion, with core operating income expected to range from $365 million to $425 million. Core earnings per share are projected between $2.03 and $2.43. On a full-year basis, Jabil aims for $28.5 billion in revenue, a core margin of 5.6%, and core EPS of $8.40 .
The commitment to shareholder returns remains strong, with plans to complete a $2.5 billion share repurchase authorization by the end of FY '24. This strategy reflects confidence in the company’s valuation and prospects .
Jabil is prioritizing its growth in the AI data center market, anticipating significant long-term opportunities despite short-term end market softness in segments like EVs and renewable energy. The company aims to align its diversified portfolio to capitalize on AI-driven advancements, which are expected to enhance margins and free cash flow over time .
The revenue for FY '25 is expected to be impacted by approximately $800 million due to the intentional reshaping of Jabil’s portfolio away from less profitable or higher-risk markets. However, this strategic move aims to position the company for better margin profiles and sustainable growth in the coming years .
Jabil’s performance in the third quarter demonstrates strong operational execution and prudent financial management. While the company faces some near-term challenges, its strategic focus on high-growth areas like AI and its disciplined approach to capital allocation position it well for future success.
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Greetings, and welcome to the Jabil's Third Quarter of Fiscal Year 2024 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Adam Berry, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Good morning, and thank you for joining Jabil's Third Quarter Fiscal 2024 Earnings Call. Joining me on today's call are Chief Financial Officer, Greg Hebard; and Chief Executive Officer, Mike Dastoor. Over the next few minutes, we will review the following: review our Q3 results, provide an update on current demand and preview our 7th annual virtual investor briefing.
Before we begin, please note that today's call is being webcast live. And during our prepared remarks, we will be referencing slides. To follow along with the slides, please visit jabil.com within the Investor Relations portion of the website. At the conclusion of today's call, the entirety of today's presentation will be posted for audio playback. I'd now ask that you view the slides on the website and follow along with our presentation beginning with the forward-looking statement.
During this conference call, we will be making forward-looking statements, including, among other things, those regarding the anticipated outlook for our business. These statements are based on current expectations, forecasts and assumptions involving risks and uncertainties that could cause actual outcomes and results to differ materially. An extensive list of these risks and uncertainties are identified in our annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended August 31, 2023, and other filings with the SEC.
Jabil disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.
With that, I'll now hand the call over to Greg.
Thanks, Adam. Good morning, everyone. It's a great privilege to be a part of the call today. I'd like to begin this morning by walking through our third quarter results, where the team delivered approximately $6.8 billion in revenue, $265 million above the midpoint of the guidance range on better-than-expected growth in our connected devices and networking and storage end markets.
Core operating income for the quarter came in at $350 million or 5.2% of revenue, an improvement of 40 basis points year-over-year. Net interest expense for Q3 came in better than expected at $64 million. This was due to lower levels of inventory during the quarter, reflecting improved working capital management by the team.
From a GAAP perspective, operating income was $261 million, and our GAAP diluted earnings per share was $1.06. Core diluted earnings per share was $1.89, $0.04 above the midpoint of our guidance range.
Now turning to our performance by segment in the quarter. Revenue for the DMS segment came in at $3.4 billion, $65 million above our expectations, driven by better-than-expected growth within our Connected Devices business, offset slightly by the lower-than-anticipated revenue in our automotive and health care businesses.
On a year-over-year basis, our DMS segment revenue was down approximately 23%, driven primarily by the mobility divestiture. Core operating margins for the segment came in at 4.6%, 50 basis points higher than the same quarter from a year ago, reflective of the ongoing mix shift within our DMS business.
Revenue for EMS segment came in at $3.4 billion, approximately $200 million above our expectations, driven by higher-than-anticipated revenue in our networking and storage end markets in the quarter.
Compared to the prior year quarter, EMS revenue was down roughly 18%, driven mainly by lower revenue in end markets like 5G, renewable energy and digital print, offset slightly by good growth in cloud. For the quarter, core margins for the EMS segment came in at 5.7%, up 20 basis points year-over-year. Next, I'd like to begin with an update on our cash flow and balance sheet metrics.
Inventory at the end of Q3 came in 6 days lower sequentially at 81 days. Net of inventory deposits from our customers, inventory days were 58, which was a quarter-on-quarter improvement of 4 days. As a result of the team's good working capital management in the quarter, our third quarter cash flows from operations came in quite strong at $515 million, while net capital expenditures totaled $100 million, resulting in $450 million in adjusted free cash flow during the quarter.
In Q3, we repurchased 3.7 million shares for approximately $500 million, leaving us with approximately $700 million remaining on our current $2.5 billion share repurchase authorization as of May 31. We remain fully committed to completing the share repurchase authorization by the end of FY '24.
We exited Q3 with a healthy and solid balance sheet with debt to core EBITDA levels of approximately 1.2x and cash balances of approximately $2.5 billion. And as a management team, we are fully committed to maintaining our investment-grade credit profile. With that, let's turn to the next slide for our fourth quarter guidance.
For Q4, we expect total company revenue to be in the range of $6.3 billion to $6.9 billion. Core operating income for Q4 is estimated to be in a range of $365 million to $425 million. GAAP operating income is expected to be a range of $285 to $355 million. Core diluted earnings per share is estimated to be in the range of $2.03 to $2.43, GAAP diluted earnings per share is expected to be in the range of $1.40 to $1.88.
Net interest expense in the fourth quarter is estimated to be approximately $67 million. And our core tax rate for Q4 is expected to be 20%.
Before moving to our full year guidance on the next slide, I'd like to provide a brief update on our net interest expense and core tax rate beyond FY '24. We now anticipate interest rates to remain elevated and expect our net interest expense to remain at FY '24 levels in FY '25 and be approximately $275 million.
And for core tax rate in FY '25, we anticipate our core tax rate will be impacted by Pillar 2 global minimum tax legislation. We will be required to adopt this only in FY '25. We're evaluating the impact this will have. As we sit today, we anticipate our core tax rate in FY '25 to be in the range of 22% to 24%.
Now moving on to full year guidance on the next slide. For the year, we continue to expect $28.5 billion in revenue in the face of what continues to be a very dynamic demand environment. Compared with our thoughts in March, our expectations for growth in our automotive and transportation business has softened further. In particular, the market in China has been impacted due to overcapacity resulting in a surplus of cars affecting local demand there. And new global EV platforms that we originally expected to begin launching in the next 100 days or so have now shifted out several quarters.
On the health care side, we see softness in medical devices, which we expect will create a headwind to revenue in the near term. These declines were offset by strength in connected devices and our AI data center end markets, which today are reported across industrial, cloud and networking end markets. All other end markets are largely in line with previous expectations.
Given this updated end market outlook, let's move to the next slide to review our FY '24 guidance. We continue to expect core margins for the year to come in at 5.6%, a 60 basis point improvement over the prior year. We also expect to deliver EPS of $8.40 for the year. And importantly, we remain committed to generating over $1 billion in adjusted free cash flow this year.
With that, I'd like to thank you for your time this morning and your interest in Jabil. I'll now turn the call over to Mike.
Thanks, Greg. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call today. Before I jump to my prepared remarks, a couple of comments. I am truly humbled by the trust placed in me by Mark and the Jabil board. For the past 24 years, Jabil has been my professional home and witnessing the company's journey from $3 billion in 2000 to $28 billion is a true testament to the care we offer our customers.
As CEO, I'm excited and carry a tremendous amount of gratitude to steward an amazing team. As Greg highlighted, the team has executed well in FY '24, amid a dynamic environment. Consider this, we divested our mobility business, a key strategic decision. We're capturing growth in the AI data center space, and we're working towards our commitment to repurchase $2.5 billion of our shares, all while dealing with end market softness in renewables, EVs and semi-cap equipment, which we expect to be short term in nature.
Yet when you take a step back and put it all together, the company remains resilient and on track, and we expect to deliver on key metrics, including 5.6% core margins and strong free cash flow in excess of $1 billion on $28.5 billion of revenue. More importantly, we remain well positioned to benefit from many of the world's powerful trends in areas like AI data center, infrastructure, health care, pharma solutions and automated warehousing, to name a few.
At the end of the day, the world needs complex manufacturing to enable innovation in nearly everything we do in our everyday lives. Jabil is at the forefront of providing solutions around a rapidly involving technology landscape with complex supply chains in an ever changing geopolitical environment.
As a management team, it's incumbent upon us to ensure we're focused on the right end markets with the most innovative customers, thereby delivering incredible solutions. And I think it's fair to say we're right in the middle of that ecosystem today.
Moving ahead, we'll continue to reshape our diversified portfolio and remain focused on growing new and existing value-added businesses driving margins and generating free cash flow. So let me share where I've been spending my time over the last 6 to 8 weeks.
I've been focused on our customers, our investors, our suppliers and our people. Some of the key takeaways are as follows: From a structure standpoint, I have chosen an organizational approach that has served us well over the last decade with an intense focus on speed, precision and solutions. This focused approach, I believe, targets our ability to serve each distinct market effectively by creating domain expertise in our core areas and better positions Jabil for growth.
From a capital allocation standpoint, we will remain committed to returning value to our shareholders by prioritizing organic investments in our business and aggressively pursuing share buybacks at attractive valuation levels. This balanced approach ensures that we can reward our shareholders while simultaneously investing next-generation capabilities. All the while, we will take care of our customers and suppliers while treating our people here at Jabil with respect.
Turning to the business side of things. As you'll recall, on May 20, we choose to resend our FY '25 guidance. And it's worth noting, there was no singular issue that led to that tough decision, but rather 3 key factors. For starters, many of the end markets we serve remain soft, and the timing of recovery in these end markets remains unclear, particularly in EVs and semi-cap equipment. We also expect to accelerate reshaping our portfolio away from end markets and geographies with less attractive risk and financial outcomes.
As a result, our revenue in FY '25 will be negatively impacted by approximately $800 million. However, this will set us up to be a much stronger company in the years to come. And lastly, in FY '25, we now expect interest expense and the tax rate to be higher due to a push-out of interest rate current expectations and the global minimum tax that Greg noted earlier.
Over the next couple of months, the management team will be spending a lot of time reviewing our plans for FY '25 and beyond. And in September, I fully anticipate providing a full year outlook per usual with our normal color and commentary surrounding our strategy, the end markets we serve and our anticipated capital allocation methodology for the year.
From an end market standpoint, you will hear how we've aligned technology-driven capabilities in our intelligent infrastructure business to help not only hyperscalers, but also silicon providers accelerate their own technology. How our manufacturing model leverages our automation capabilities to navigate the rapid growth in AI demand, how we're prioritizing growth in certain end markets like health care and energy infrastructure, how we're helping retailers automate solutions in both the retail environment as well as warehousing through robotics. We'll also offer color around the businesses we anticipate deemphasizing in the future. And of course, we'll do our best to provide our expectations around the road map for the timing of recovery in key areas like renewables, semi-cap, electric vehicles, connected devices and 5G.
And when you put this all together, we'll describe how the seasonality has changed and how the capital intensity of our business has improved and the subsequent free cash flows we will generate given our new mix of business. I am confident that the road map we develop will propel Jabil towards an even brighter future. I can assure you that all of these actions remain squarely focused on driving margins higher in the long run and generating robust sustainable cash flow, all while taking care of our customers, suppliers and people.
Jabil's success is not the result of individual efforts, but rather a collective achievement of our entire team. Looking ahead, I'm excited about the long-term trajectory of the company. We have a strong track record, a talented and dedicated leadership team, and a clear vision for the future. Together, we will continue to drive innovation, deliver value to our shareholders and execute for our customers.
Before handing the call over to Adam, I would like to take a moment to say thank you to the entire Jabil team for your commitment and dedication to our customers, communities and to each other. Thank you for your time and for your interest in Jabil.
I'll now hand the call over to Adam.
Thanks Mike, Greg, and congratulations to each of you on well-deserved new roles. I look forward to working alongside both of you.
Before we move into our Q&A session, I'd like to take a few minutes to broadly summarize some of our key messages you heard today. First off, our fiscal '24 outlook is on track with the update we provided in March and subsequently reiterated in May. Notably, this includes $8.40 in core EPS, 5.6% core margins and $1 billion plus in free cash flow. And as we move through Q4, we fully anticipate completing the balance of our $2.5 billion share repurchase authorization.
As we turn our attention to the end markets, we remain fully committed to our year-over-year growth plans in our AI data center end markets in both fiscal '24 and '25, which today are reported across our cloud, networking and industrial end markets. At the same time, we're actively evaluating our portfolio to see if there's any opportunity to further optimize, as Mike just described.
And for early modeling purposes, please keep in mind that our seasonality in fiscal '25 will be reflective of the mobility divestiture. As such, our quarterly earnings progression will be more like that of our EMS business, where we typically earn 40% in the first half of the year and 60% in the second half of the year.
Interest expense in fiscal '25, although rate dependent, is shaping up to be approximately $275 million. And our core tax rate is expected to increase from fiscal '24 to fiscal '25 as a result of Pillar 2 global minimum tax legislation.
And finally, and just generally speaking, Jabil remains extremely well positioned to benefit from a recovery in many of the end markets that have proven to be headwinds in fiscal '24. And while the timing remains uncertain, the ultimate recovery will lead to solid revenue growth, further margin expansion and even more cash flow generation on an already installed capacity. We look forward to updating you on these matters and more on our 7th annual investor briefing, which is tentatively scheduled for September 26.
Operator, we're now ready for Q&A.
[Operator Instructions] Today's first question is coming from Ruplu Bhattacharya.
Mike and Greg, congrats on your new assignments. Mike, what do you see as the biggest opportunity for Jabil over the next year? And what do you see as the biggest risk? And Greg, a similar question to you as CFO. What are your main focus areas for the next year?
Thanks, Ruplu. I think you're aware, I've been the CFO for 6 years. And during this time, my focus areas have always been and always will continue to be margins and free cash flow, and utilization of that free cash flow for buyback purposes. We so do think we're undervalued. So that's a key area of capital allocation that will continue well with the 4% margins continuous focus on free cash flow.
We are on the right sort of end markets as well. So from an opportunity standpoint, are there end markets that we're not in? Yes, we'll be looking into that. That's one of the reasons we're structured the way we are in the new organization. But right now, yes, there's some softness in some of our end markets. But over the long term, these end markets are ripe for a recovery. And I'm not suggesting that happens in the next 1 or 2 quarters, I think we have seen some of that shifting -- recovery shifting to the right.
So overall, from an opportunity perspective, I think the key is when does this whole AI proliferation in almost everything we do. So we're a hardware company. AI is going to require hardware refreshes across the board. And we're paying in almost all the right end markets. So I do expect that entire AI proliferation to be a tailwind for us. So that happens in the next 1 or 2 quarters, perhaps not. Right now, it's more data center focused. But over the long run, I do expect that to proliferate across the entire range of end markets we sell.
From a risk standpoint, Ruplu, I think it's the timing of the recovery. I think there's various anecdotes outside, externally, internally, some would suggest things are recovering a little bit slower than we anticipated. Some suggest that it might be okay. So we'll take this time over the next 3 or 4 months to figure out our plan. That was one of the reasons we resended our FY '25 guidance, and we'll provide much more color on our analyst briefing in -- at the end of September.
Hi, Ruplu. It's Greg. Just to reiterate some of the things Mike just said. Definitely expanding operating margins. It will be a key focus continuing to generate strong free cash flows. As you saw, quite a strong Q3 we had. And then return capital to shareholders. We continue to be super thoughtful on this and believe share repurchase is still a great use of our cash for Jabil.
Okay. Got it. Mike, you talked about AI. I mean, when I look at things, AI is getting to be a very competitive space. And so how do you see Jabil's investments in AI trending over the next few years? And do you think margins on the AI side trend lower or higher than the rest of the business given the increased competition?
So I think you're absolutely right. There is a large amount of competition, Ruplu. Today, if you think about where we play in AI, it's mainly around the server equipment. As we look at data center, building infrastructure, we're looking at power. We're looking at cooling. We're looking at value-add services around some of these data center pieces as well. So there will be -- a margin sort of will slow down, but it will start picking up again over time as we start expanding around an AI data center-driven strategy.
So we're looking at other pieces in the periphery, along the lines of silicon photonics. We're looking at OSAT packaging. So there's a whole bunch of things that we look at from an AI perspective. And I think margin does -- it's not going to go jump up quite a bit right now, but it will go down and come back up pretty fast.
Okay. Maybe I'll try and sneak 1 more in. You talked about some weakening of the auto and the health care space and also on semi-cap, I think you've said that it's weaker than expected. When do you expect recovery in these? And if revenues continue to be weak, what are some of the levers you have to continue to drive margins and free cash flow? I think you've said margins are a focus. So what are some of the levers you have on the margin and free cash flow side given if revenues are weak?
So Ruplu, let me try and answer your auto question first. I think in auto, we are seeing some weakness, particularly as it relates to China. I think there's an oversupply situation there. That does impact manufacturing for us, local to local and local for Asia -- sorry, local for export purposes as well. So we're seeing some push out in the whole EV recovery space because of the situation in China.
From a semi-cap standpoint, we -- I think initial expectation was a full-scale recovery in December or January, in December '24 to January '25, that's pushing out a little bit to the right, and I think you'll see a little bit of a weird situation there where China is a dominant player right now. There is sell-through into China. But a lot of that sell-through is coming from existing inventory. So we expect a Jabil impact to start around the middle of calendar year, in calendar year '25.
From a margin standpoint, Ruplu, we do expect all of these markets to start coming by some point or the other. So it's not a -- we're not in a full-blown recession, where we go and completely close down facilities and take down costs because we lose out when the recovery does come through. So you might see some level of temporary margin impact there.
But overall, trajectory and our position when the recovery starts will be extremely strong. And I'll give you an example. I think our -- today, we're probably capacitized for about $32 billion, $33 billion of revenue. And if you look at what in FY '25, obviously, it will be considerably lower than that. So we'll have a little bit of surplus capacity. Do we want to take that out? I don't think the answer is to take capacity out. I think we're going to wait for that recovery to come back. And there might be some level of temporary margin impact. But long term, really well positioned.
The next question is coming from Steven Fox of Fox Advisors.
Congrats, Mike and Greg on your appointments. I guess I had 2 questions. First of all, just following up on these last comments, Mike. I mean, the guidance for Q4 implies you hit that magical 6% operating margin number. So I'm just curious if you could put that number into context. You just described a lot of seasonality and some mixed markets. So like how sustainable at 6% as more Q4 number versus like something that's ongoing as you think out to next year? And then I had a follow-up.
Yes. So thanks, Steve, first of all. I do think there is an amount of seasonality that we see in almost every single Q4. So you'll see margins go up because of that for sure. And I think Adam highlighted even FY '25, when we think about that, we expect the second half going forward, second half to be much more than the first half of the year because of our mobility divestiture.
There is some level still of fixed cost recoveries. And when you have fixed cost recoveries, but no revenue flowing through, there is definitely a bit of a margin impact. I do think -- I don't think 6% is what we're going to be seeing. It's not sustainable in Q1. If you look at historical seasonality, Q1, things go down. Q2 is consistent with Q1. And then we see another sort of Q3 and Q4 uptick in margins.
So 6%, I would say, has a little bit of one-offs in it and is not sustainable for the first half of the year. But Q3, Q4 of next year, you'll see a similar sort of seasonality from a margin perspective.
Great. That's helpful. And then in terms of your prepared remarks, I guess, there's 1 area I was hoping you could dig into a little bit. You mentioned with your second point some reshaping geographically, end market is on the table now for next year. Can you just sort of expand on what you saw in your last 6 weeks to 8 weeks that makes you want to sort of, I guess, change strategy just incrementally a little bit?
Sure. So Steve, I've always been focused on margins and free cash flow. I think you've seen that over the last 6 years. We continue to prioritize margins and cash flow if we see some level of accounts where the 1 or 2 of these metrics don't shape up too well. We're looking at it from a reshaping our portfolio sort of away from some of those end markets and geographies as well with less sort of attractive risk and financial outcomes.
So it's spread out a little bit. I would look at legacy networking as one of the areas where you see this legacy networking going down. You'll see the AI piece replacing some of that. So you'll see an increase in AI, where you will see a little bit of a decrease on the legacy networking piece as well.
Again, this positions us really well. So I'm not saying margins will jump up in '25 because of this. But over the long term, in FY '26 and beyond, the margin structure will improve along with better cash flows. I think Greg talked about free cash flows coming in really strong in Q3. We continue to be focused on our free cash flows going forward because that's where we think the valuation lies is in the free cash flow.
The next question is coming from George Wang of Barclays.
Congrats on the new roles. So I have 2 parts. Firstly, you mentioned the 3Q driven by connected devices and the networking storage. You also raised the full year forecast subsequently for the 2 segments. Just can you talk about kind of what's driving a better kind of result and outlook for the connected devices and networking? Just is this a kind of industry growth or kind of share gains?
I think it's probably neither of those. There was a little bit of a conservative forecasting from our perspective. If you see connected devices over the last maybe a couple of years, post-COVID has been a little bit down. And we've always sort of tried to make sure that our forecasts are accurate.
In this particular instance, the numbers came in. I don't think we're seeing a big jump up in the end market. But I think the whole impact in Q3 was mainly because of the conservative forecasting that we'd sort of anticipated.
Got you. Just a quick follow-up, if I can. I just to confirm, it's still $6 billion revenue for FY '25. You guys talked about in the prepared remarks, it didn't really change the forecast. So I just want to confirm, it's still $6 billion. But also, like I just want to hone in on the power and cooling. You guys talked about some of the value add. Obviously, power cooling has been massive shortage with higher margins. So can you talk about your differentiation and some of the initiatives on the table from Jabil's standpoint to capture the coming inherent sort of shortage and the kind of the demand associated with power and cooling in the data center.
Let me hit the power and cooling question first. One of the things we are seeing in the data center space, the legacy data centers are going through a retrofit. And that retrofit, we're looking at capabilities there where we can offer services to data centers from a cooling distribution unit perspective.
If you look at new deployments, the legacy ones are more liquid to air, the newer deployments are liquid to liquid cooling. Well, we have internal capabilities around that, and we'll be continuing to look at small capability-driven transactions in that space as well. The key here is to expand our service around server integration and into the whole data center building infrastructure as well. And we -- I think that would be a big differentiator.
The next question is coming from Matt Sheerin of Stifel.
I wanted to drill down a little bit more on your commentary on networking, the strength, but also the customer base. You indicated that you may -- and to walk away from some of the legacy business. I'm guessing you're talking about the traditional OEM market.
But I know that you've got a growing data center hyperscale customer base, particularly on the server side. But are you also working with those customers on network products like switches? And could you tell us exactly what you're doing for those partners on the networking side?
Yes. So I think that's a great question. I think you're absolutely right. It's the legacy piece from the networking side that we're sort of walking away from -- a lot of that is being replaced anyways by future forward-looking AI, liquid cool sort of switches. We're definitely getting involved in that. We're looking -- if you look at a silicon photonics space, we're looking at the whole transceiver business, which gets attached to that space quite a bit as well.
So overall, networking and storage, think of it as a transition where we're transitioning from a legacy network to a new era of networking and switching, and we're going to be playing heavily on the new networking and switching. At the same time, the legacy business will go down a bit.
Okay. And on the networking side, we're seeing some of your peers have an ODM model, where they're actually doing custom work for customers and others are building to customers' design. Are you going through both routes or mostly on the more traditional EMS side?
We're -- I think it will be a hybrid. We're not going full OEM at this stage. We're definitely going to continue in the EMS space. Historically, we've stayed away from competing directly with our customers, and we'll continue to do that, Matt.
Okay, great. And just turning to the balance sheet and your forecast for that higher interest -- net interest expense next year are basically flattish. Could you just talk through the capital allocation. I know you've done aggressive buyback significant, but why not take down some of the short-term borrowings or some of your debt to reduce that? And also, if you look at your inventory, inventory days, they've come down a lot, but they're still well above where they were post pandemic.
So is there work to be done in terms of inventory or the working capital to bring that net interest expense down?
Yes. This is Greg. So yes, I think there's a few parts to that question. I'd say first on interest expense and share buyback. We definitely look at the 2 combined and making sure we have the most effective EPS results from that. Interest expense. We do see rates continuing to stay elevated for most of the calendar '24 and into '25. So being conservative on that number.
From a working capital perspective, I think we've been doing a really good job. We do see our net inventory in the 55- to 60-day range, and we do see some cyclicality of that during the year and intra-quarter. So obviously, this quarter, we had a good number that hit. But one thing to remind you as well, we do have inventory deposits that does offset some of that pickup when we do just look at our gross DII coming down.
So we're continuing to be very focused on net inventory and getting it down closer to 55%, but there is some cyclicality on that.
On the share repurchase, we are committed to completing our $2.5 billion share authorization in Q4. We do need a new Board authorization as we go into '25. So stay tuned for that. But looking to get our lasso into the [ 110 ] to [ 113 ] range by the end of FY '25.
And Matt, if I can just provide some more color on the interest. If you go back to FY '23, sort of this year or previous years, our interest was in the range of $150 million.
I think if you look over time, it was in that range. I'm not suggesting we go back to $150 million. Today, it's at $275 million. But as interest rates start coming down, and we have a full year impact of that more towards the end of our calendar year '25, you'll see interest start going down quite a bit as well because $275 million is not going to be the norm. It's going to continue to go downwards. It won't go back to $150 million, but a low 200s is highly possible. And all of that just drops directly to the EPS line.
Got it. Okay. And just if I can just sneak in a last question regarding that $800 million headwind you talked about for next year, most of that coming from -- and demand weakness. But is there a part of that also coming from deselecting customers, as you said, as you prune the portfolio. Could you break that down for us?
All of that comes from deselecting -- not deselecting, but renegotiating with customers. It's coming down. I think the number I provided was $800 million. That is part of our strategy. Like I've mentioned before, margins and free cash flow continue to be front and center of everything we do. And we're just -- it's reshaping our portfolio sort of away from end markets and geographies with less attractive risk and financial outcomes. So it's all that.
I think I mentioned legacy networking being one of the big ones there. So it's all driven by literally reshaping the numbers. I think if you look at all the other end markets, they are more than soft, I'd say, the recovery, the timing of that recovery has been pushed out. It's continuing to be pushed out a little bit. So the other end markets will be down, but there's no reshaping going on around that, and that $800 million that I referenced was probably a reshaping number. There will be some level of revenue impact as the timing of recovery gets shifted to the right as well.
That's very helpful to clarify. And I would imagine that, that $800 million revenue is -- that margin and return profile is below your company average, so that would be accretive, in other words, to the business?
Absolutely. I'm not -- again, I'm not suggesting FY '25, we'll see a big accretion because of that. I talked about us being capacitized for $32 billion, $33 billion of revenue. Our revenues are going to be considerably short of that. So we will have a little bit of overcapacity.
But we need that capacity when things start to recover. And I think it will be very shortsighted of us to go and address that incremental capacity that we have today. So yes, there will be margin accretion in these businesses overall from a company standpoint, just keep in mind that there is a little bit of an overcapacity situation right now as well.
But think of that as an opportunity. When things start coming back, it will have a big margin impact. And does that happen towards the end of '25? Does that happen in FY '26? We just don't know right now. And that's why we've asked for a little bit more time, and that's why we withdrew our FY '25 guidance. We will provide more color at the end of September to the best of our abilities.
The next question is coming from Mark Delaney of Goldman Sachs.
First a follow-up on the $800 million of revenue that the company is looking to deselect. Can you help us understand what the margin profile is of that? I know you said it's below the corporate average. But is it just above breakeven, low single digits, slightly below corporate average? Any more color on that margin associated with the $800 million would be helpful.
It's south of enterprise margin. It's not just the margin. We look at the free cash flow profile as well. That -- both of those metrics are critical for our success. I think the -- one of the things we're looking at is risk as well as obviously, the financial metrics have to tie out. The risk has to tie out as well. Risk in different parts of the world, risk in the end markets that are seeing a downward trend or being replaced by a new perspective. So it's all of that work, and the margin will be south.
As I was mentioning on the previous question from Matt, don't expect margins to jump up from '25 because of this. There is a little bit of an overcapacity situation. So the margin does get impacted and it's over time. I do expect maybe towards the end of FY '25 or even in FY '26 to see a pickup in margin because of this. So it's a mid- to long-term payback or a return.
Helpful color. My second question was around hybrids. You mentioned in the presentation that you have some ability to grow with hybrids, not just with EVs. Can you double-click a little bit more, talk to us around where Jabil is participating in hybrids? And to what extent you have the design wins that would support growth in hybrids as some of the traditional OEMs are planning to grow faster and hybrid over the next few years?
So I think when I talked about EVs, I think the point I was trying to make was that we're almost agnostic to whether it's EVs that succeed or hybrids that succeed. And I think if you look at some of the 3 or 4 areas that we participate in, I think it's software-defined vehicles. That applies across combustion, hybrids and EVs.
If you look at the battery management systems and everything to do with the battery, it equally applies to EVs and hybrids. If you look at some of the connectivity piece, again, it applies to all 3 categories of automotive.
And then if you look at automated driving with uptakes, with cameras, with old bunch of ADAS technologies, again, agnostic to which technology wins out. We still think EVs is right for a comeback. I think it's seen some temporary sort of impact due to price, due to battery range. Just a couple of those issues being resolved and EVs will back again. But the point I was trying to make is we're going to have an EV or a hybrid. When EVs go down and hybrids go up, there'll always be a little timing difference in programs in the hybrid space for them to come online. But the long-term trajectory for our EV business is actually quite agnostic in terms of which technology wins out.
The next question is coming from Samik Chatterjee of JPMorgan.
This MP on for Samik Chatterjee. So I just wanted to ask, like you had included outlook around connected devices, networking, storage, 5G, cloud, et cetera. So a lot of AI revenue is recognized in these end markets. So I just wondered how much of the increase in the outlook is because of AI versus traditional recovery in the end markets? And I have a follow-up.
So in the other end markets, I think Greg talked about the 3 that are impacting us today from an AI perspective. On the other end markets, I think it's a little too early for us to start sort of assuming AI pieces in there. I think AI is definitely coming. AI is definitely going to impact all of those end markets, hardware refresh cycles will take place. A number of our end markets, but our assumptions wouldn't bake that in right now.
We see it coming forward. We will start putting some of that in. But the answer -- direct answer to your question is there's very little. There's almost no AI in any of the other end markets at this stage.
Okay. And another one will be on operating expenses. So have a net revenues were quite higher than the midpoint of the guidance this quarter, but operating expenses, which is something which I believe drove the operating margins to be below the midpoint of guidance. So what exactly was driving the higher operating expenses? And what's your confidence on bringing this to track for -- from 6% margin next quarter?
Yes, Samik. It's really a mix that we're seeing recently. So we -- again, some seasonality to that, but all that is related to mix.
The next question is coming from David Vogt of UBS.
This is Andrew on for David. I wanted to ask a question about your wireless business. As we've moved past the elections in India, have you seen any signs that, that business might pick back up?
At this stage, not really. I think there's been a mass scale deployment of 5G already in India. I think there's definitely -- I think there's a hope they monetize that and move forward after they've seen some returns. So they're almost -- I think there's 75%, 80% sort of rolled out. I don't think we have some big assumptions of post-election recovery in India at this stage.
Got it. And I just also wanted to follow up on the comments about the softness you saw in health care segment, I think you said it was in the Medical Devices part of that business. I'm just wondering if you could expand on what was driving that softness? Is it macro? What are you seeing there?
So when we say softness, just note that it's just 1 of the 4 or 5 things that we do in the entire health care space. I think if you look at the GLP-1 drugs, they are off the charts, they just keep going higher and higher and higher. There's no -- and we're really well positioned to play in that space.
There is a counter sort of impact, obviously, that impacts surgeries, medical devices. But there's a whole bunch of other things that we do as well from a diagnostic standpoint, from an orthopedic standpoint, from a pharma solutions standpoint, from other medical devices. So it's a smaller impact.
I wouldn't -- Greg called it out. I think it was an issue specifically for our FY '24. We're seeing some short-term headwinds there because of that. But don't forget the GLP-1 piece will continue to grow. I think the only sort of constraint is capacity, putting that capacity in place, which takes a little bit of time due to the heavy automation that's involved on the GLP-1 piece.
At this time, I would like to turn the floor back over to management for any additional or closing comments.
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