Janus International Group Inc

NYSE:JBI

Earnings Call Analysis

Upbeat Earnings and Raised Guidance

In a showcase of resilience and growth, the company raised its full-year 2023 revenue outlook to a range of $1.08 billion to $1.09 billion, marking a 6.4% increase from the previous year, while adjusted EBITDA expectations were lifted to $280 million to $290 million.

Robust Performance and Optimistic Outlook

The company demonstrated a strong financial performance with an adjusted EBITDA of $76.2 million, marking a 20.4% increase from the previous year quarter. Key drivers included solid demand, strategic commercial actions, and cost-saving initiatives which collectively offset increased labor costs and scaled the business for ongoing growth. This growth benefitted from operational investments such as the Noke Smart Entry systems. Adjusted EBITDA margins notably improved by roughly 310 basis points to 27.2% due to a mix of higher revenues and favorable shifts in sales mix, along with a particularly strong showing in high-margin infrastructure and R3 projects.

Continued Push for Margin Improvement and Cash Flow Strength

Adjusted net income also experienced a rise, standing at $39 million, a 20.3% increase from the same period in the prior year. The company's free cash flow was impressive at approximately $46 million, displaying a remarkable free cash flow conversion rate of 117% of adjusted net income over the past twelve months. The sustained free cash flow underscores the capital-efficient nature of the business. Additionally, a refined focus on working capital initiatives is anticipated to further solidify financial metrics.

Prudent Balance Sheet Management Amid Expansion

The organization has effectively managed its balance sheet, reducing debt by $35 million and refinancing its debt facilities while maintaining favorable rates despite a challenging credit market. This reflects the robustness of the company's business model. The net leverage ratio improved to 1.8x, a substantial reduction from 3.3x at the end of the previous year, suggesting disciplined leverage management and robust financial health.

Elevated Revenue and EBITDA Projections

Encouraged by the third quarter and year-to-date figures, and with a strong backlog, the company's revenue outlook for the full year 2023 is lifted to a range of $1.08 billion to $1.09 billion. This forecast, a 6.4% increase at the midpoint from the previous year, is driven by organic growth and commercial endeavors. The adjusted EBITDA forecast has also been raised, now expected to be between $280 million to $290 million, showing a meaningful 25.6% midpoint increase from the prior year, aligning with the goal of continued margin enhancement.

Forward Momentum Supported by Strong Backlog and Innovative Offerings

The company anticipates maintaining its trajectory with robust revenues, improved EBITDA margins, and sustained cash flow generation in the wake of a strong backlog and effective suite of offerings. These indicators, coupled with dedication from the team and strategic maneuvers, are poised to contribute to long-term stakeholder value. As the company looks beyond the current year, expectations are set on further growth and attractive margins, consistent with the strategic outlook.

Earnings Call Transcript 2023-Q3

[Operator]

Hello, and welcome to the Janus International Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Mr. John Rohlwing, Vice President of Investor Relations, FP&A and M&A. Thank you. You may begin, Mr. Rohlwing.

[John Rohlwing, executive]

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining our third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. We hope that you have seen our earnings release issued this morning. Please note that we have also posted a presentation in support of this call, which can be found in the Investors section of our website at janusintl.com.

As a reminder, today's conference call may include forward-looking statements regarding the company's future plans and prospects. Statements are based on our current expectations, and we undertake no duty to update them. It is important to note that the company's actual results may differ materially from those anticipated. Factors that could cause actual results to differ from anticipated results are contained in the company's related earnings release and periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and we encourage you to review those factors carefully. In addition, we will be discussing or providing certain non-GAAP financial measures today, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margins, adjusted net income and adjusted EPS. Please see our earnings release and filings for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures.

I'm joined today by our Chief Executive Officer, Ramey Jackson, who will provide an overview of the business and give an operations update and our Chief Financial Officer, Anselm Wong, who will continue with a discussion of our financial results and outlook before we open up the call for your questions.

At this point, I will turn the call over to Ramey.

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone. Our record financial results in the third quarter built on the foundation established since we became a public company almost 2.5 years ago. We continue to deliver solid top line growth, profitability and rapid deleveraging while generating strong cash flows that position us to execute our [ seen ] capital allocation strategy. Our results through the first 9 months position us well to deliver another year of outstanding performance across the platform. The fundamentals that drive our customers and our industry remain resilient against a backdrop of economic and geopolitical uncertainty. Self-storage occupancy rates remain above mid-cycle levels, driving demand for new capacity from business owners. Our backlog and visibility into our end markets gives us confidence to once again raise our outlook for the year and positions us to achieve our longer-term goals for revenue growth and margins. I would like to thank all of our employees without whom our success was possible.

Now turning to some specific thoughts around the quarter. Janus' record third quarter operational and financial results included solid year-over-year gains in revenues, significant margin improvement, further deleveraging and strong cash generation. The fundamentals inherent throughout the industry that fuel investment decisions by our customers to add much needed capacity are happening both through new construction as well as conversions and expansions. Over the last 2 quarters, the trend has favored new construction. Prior to that, R3 was the greater benefactor of customer spending driven in part by the availability of unused brick and more retail space or repurposing.

Demand drivers for our business remain strong, and our comprehensive platform of self-storage solutions means that while customer buying patterns may ebb and flow between new construction R3, we are there for our customers with comparable economics for both project types.

Our Noke Smart Entry system had another strong order as we continue to ramp up our capabilities and expand our market penetration. We ended third quarter of approximately 255,000 total installed units, representing approximately 11% growth for the second quarter and over 50% growth from the end of 2022. During the quarter, we announced an anticipated expansion of a major reinstalled base for our Noke Screen digital access to over 400 additional facilities. Noke Screen is the latest in the line of award-winning smart security products in the Noke Smart Entry product line and post a number of exciting design features like a customizable full graphic display screen WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity and all in one design that combines controller and the keypad in a single device.

To date, they have parted us to bring Noke Smart Technology and digital access to approximately 700 facilities. And subsequent to quarter end, we announced the complete back-end migration of Noke to Amazon Web Services, allowing us to leverage AWS, industrial IoT, AI and security capabilities. By running on AWS, we have increased Noke's availability and global reach, enabling real-time over-the-air is management and improve the owner-operator and end user experience.

Our suite of remote access technologies headlined by Noke represent the best our industry has to offer, and we continue to be excited about both the accelerated adoption and its use in the future it has in store.

Now shifting to financial highlights for the quarter. We delivered consolidated revenue of $280.1 million, an increase of approximately 6.7% as compared to the same period last year, that's entirely organic. New construction was the driver for the games of 40.3%, which more than offset R3 in commercial and other being 1.9% and 11.1% lower, respectively. Our adjusted EBITDA of $76.2 million came in approximately 20.4% higher than Q3 2022, which represents an adjusted EBITDA margin of 27.2% and an improvement of 310 basis points year-over-year.

During the quarter, commercial actions, favorable mix and productivity initiatives more than offset higher costs we continue to experience in many parts of our business, particularly labor and logistics. Our company continues to be a positive cash flow generator. Over the past 12 months through the end of the third quarter, our free cash flow conversion of adjusted net income was 117%. We expect cash conversion to remain solid over time, putting us in a position to focus on maintaining a secure balance sheet while also preserving the firepower to preserve value, enhancing M&A opportunities as we identify them.

With regard to the balance sheet, I'm extremely proud that we were able to reduce our net leverage this quarter by 30 basis points, putting us at 1.8x net debt to trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA at quarter end. Now below our target range of 2 to 3x. This represents deleveraging of 1.5 turns in just the last 12 months, a testament to our continued execution and sound business fundamentals.

Before I hand it over to Anselm, I'd like to update you once again about our progress towards our longer-term objectives laid out in our Q4 2022 earnings call. The top line growth for the first 9 months of the year puts 2023 on track to exceed our long-term average target range of 4% to 6% organic revenue growth. Our EBITDA margins for the third quarter and the 9 months of 2023 positions us well towards achieving results well within our long-term average target range of 25% to 27%. Our strong conversion of adjusted net income to free cash flow in the first 9 months of 2023 sets us up well against our long-term average target conversion range of 75% to 100%. As I mentioned earlier, our net leverage is already below our target range. Our end markets remain strong and resilient, and we continue to look at ways to leverage our leadership position to capture additional share and create long-term value for all stakeholders.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Anselm for an overview of the financials and our updated outlook for the full year.

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Thanks, Ramey, and good morning, everyone. In the third quarter, revenue of $280.1 million was up 6.7% compared to the prior year quarter. New construction led the way, while R3 and commercial and other were lower versus the prior year quarter. We continue to show a good mix of diversity and stability from our offerings as evidenced by our consistent revenue growth, led by new construction in recent quarters. While we may see significant outperformance in a given segment during the quarter based on timing of projects, revenues continue to be well balanced across our free sales channels over a 24-month period.

Now diving deeper into the sales channels. Our overall strength in the quarter came primarily from new construction which was up 40.3% year-over-year. The improvement was a result of the combined impact of commercial actions taken in 2021 and early 2022 to offset inflationary pressures on many of our key inputs as well as volume growth. Our R3 segment was 1.9% lower in the quarter, primarily due to the timing of projects as well as a strong third quarter of 2022. The self-storage segments of the business continue to produce roughly 2/3 of our revenues as they have consistently for the past few years. Fluctuations between construction and R3 are expected throughout the year based on the timing of projects. Year-to-date, R3 is up 9.6%.

In commercial and other, we were up against difficult comes to a particularly strong 2022 quarter, which resulted in a year-over-year decline of 11.1%. As markets continue to normalize, we have seen shifts in demand for certain product lines, which were at an all-time high during the last couple of years. Our products are used in a broad range of end markets, including hotels, warehouses, pharmacies, fuels and many others. We see continued potential for increased share gains in commercial and other as well as margin improvement over time.

Adjusted EBITDA of $76.2 million was up 20.4% compared to the year ago quarter. The combination of solid demand, commercial actions and cost savings initiatives continues to help offset increases in labor as we work to scale the business for continued growth, including additional operational investments in our Noke Smart Entry systems. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 27.2%, an increase of roughly 310 basis points from the year ago quarter. Higher revenues and favorable mix shift more than offset higher costs for labor as well as SG&A. As a reminder, our margin profile for new trucks in R3 is roughly similar, while our commercial and other sales trend is typically somewhat lower. Due to the relative outperformance in new construction relative to R3 and commercial in the quarter, the resulting favorable mix shift helped drive over a higher margin. In addition, during the quarter, we saw a particularly strong contribution from some of our highest margin work in infrastructure and R3 due to the nature and timing of certain projects. We expect the revenue mix to [ revert ] to more normal levels over time, consistent with our longer-term margin outlook.

For the third quarter of 2023, we produced adjusted net income of $39 million, which was up 20.3% from third quarter 2022, adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.27 compared to $0.22 in the year-ago quarter. We had another solid quarter of cash flow generation. Third quarter cash from operating activities was approximately $49.9 million, and free cash flow was approximately $46 million. This adds to our multiyear trend of strong conversion of adjusted net income to free cash flow, representing a trailing 12-month free cash flow conversion of 117% of adjusted net income. The strong conversion of operating cash flow to free cash flow also highlights the CapEx light in each of our businesses. We have begun a period of incremental growth CapEx in Europe and on the West Coast expand production capacity as we add to our suite of offerings, which is expected to continue over the next year. Year-to-date results and outlook for the remainder of the year position us to deliver on our target of 75% to 100% free cash flow conversion for the full year. We continue to focus on initiatives to improve working capital and strengthen our metrics.

From a balance sheet perspective, during the third quarter, we paid down $35 million of debt using cash on hand and refinance their first [ lien ] term loan facility, supported by a syndicate of leading national banks. We have a folding rate that has not changed from the previous facility despite deterioration in the credit market, a clear indication of the strength in our business model. We ended the quarter with $625 million of total debt, $109.7 million of cash and equivalents and a net leverage of 1.8x net debt to adjusted trailing 12 months EBITDA. Down from 3.3x at the end of 2022 and 2.1x at the end of second quarter of this year.

Now turning to our 2023 outlook. Based on our third quarter and year-to-date results, continued strong backlog and visibility of end markets, we are pleased to once again raise our full year 2023 outlook for revenue and adjusted EBITDA. We now expect revenue to be in the range of $1.08 billion to $1.09 billion, a 6.4% increase at the midpoint compared to our full year 2022 results driven primarily by a combination of commercial actions and volume-related organic growth. We expect growth in 2023 to reflect the strong underlying fundamentals we see across all 3 sales channels.

We are raising our expectations for adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $280 million to $290 million, representing a 25.6% increase at the midpoint versus our full year 2022 results. Overall, we expect our full year results to reflect a solid year of margin improvement in our business as we pursue our long-term objectives to deliver average adjusted EBITDA margin in the range of 25% to 27%. Into 2024, we expect to continue growing and delivering attractive margins and cash flow consistent with our long-term framework.

Thank you. I will now turn the call back to Ramey for closing remarks.

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

Great. Thank you again, Anselm. Our results for the quarter exceeded our expectations. Looking at the balance of the year, our backlog remains strong and we expect the fundamentals of our end markets, our best-in-class suite of offerings to continue to deliver robust revenues, improved EBITDA margins and strong cash flow generation. I'd like to once again thank the entire Janus team for their unwavering focus and relentless execution as we continue to build long-term value for all of our stakeholders. Thank you again for joining us. Operator, we can now open up the lines for Q&A, please.

[Operator]

We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from Brad Hewitt with Wolfe Research.

[Bradley Hewitt, analyst]

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. So I'm curious if you could talk about how backlog is trending and kind of what your pipeline looks like for 2024? And maybe any thoughts on the framework for revenue growth next year relative to your 4% to 6% long-term target.

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

Yes, I'll speak to the backlog and pipeline. We don't give the detail, as you know, but it remains strong, both new construction and R3 and that speaks to the backlog and pipeline. So nothing has changed over the quarter, but strength in both.

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Yes. And Brad, we haven't provided 2024 guidance yet at this point in time. I think the best to look at is our learn to framework at this point is kind of how we're seeing it right now.

[Bradley Hewitt, analyst]

Okay. That's helpful. And then in terms of the M&A landscape, just curious whether sellers have kind of lowered their asking prices enough that you're looking to start being more active in deploying capital through acquisitions near term? And also, how should we think about your willingness to kind of lever up above the 2 to 3x target range if the right strategic deal comes along?

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

Yes. So I'll speak to the M&A, Anselm, you can cut leverage part. But no, look, we're -- we were focused on M&A right now. As you know, we have a long history of finding assets and returning outsized growth to shareholders there. So in terms of pricing, there is a little bit of [ give ] currently in the marketplace, and there's a diverse group of targets that we're focused on.

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Yes. And in terms of leverage, like we said before, I don't think we've changed our focus is that it's a real big strategic deal that makes sense for the company, we would lever up to the higher end of the guidance range that we had. And if we went above then we would have a good strong plan to actually bring it back down in a pretty quick period of time. At this point, I think as you saw the numbers, we're in a great position, our leverage ratio is actually below our guided range. So I think it would take a meaningful deal to actually bring us above that.

[Operator]

Thank you. next question, Daniel Moore with CJS Securities.

[Dan Moore, analyst]

I mean starting obviously with new construction, which continues to show really strong significant strength. What are you seeing from your customers that are as perhaps not reflected in the CapEx spending and plans we've seen from the larger public self-storage players. They remain healthy, but not necessarily indicative of these types of growth here. So is it share gains? Is it more aggressive deployment from small, midsized customers? Any color you might have would be really helpful.

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

Yes. Great question. Look, that the REIT sector is a small portion of our revenue. We represent the entire industry in terms of growth in the sector. But I think if you listen to some of the calls, there's still one in particular as mentioned they're going to flex balance sheet in terms of bringing on capacity. R3 spending is a hot topic and will continue to accelerate. But look, self-storage, new construction is a long game. I mean, if you hit pause on it right now, you're going to pay for it in a year or two. So the conversations we're having is the resiliency in the market is indicative of the metrics that you're seeing and also the investment that our cuts are putting into the space.

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Yes. I think, Dan, what I'd add is that, as you know, in our news, it's 9 to 12 months for any project get through that backlog. So there's obviously some timing in terms of what some people might say what's happening there. But as a reminder, I think if we look at our REITs and our institutional customers, they're well capitalized or well funded, and even our regular customer set, if they take advantage of our no key solution, they have an upper advantage in terms of ROI because it helps them improve their running costs. So I think there's a blend of both that is still happening and keeping the industry strong for us.

[Dan Moore, analyst]

Very helpful. And then Noke obviously, it was great to see the one large customer accelerate, we've seen the rollout. What are you seeing in -- obviously, it's a crystal ball question, but might we see a little bit more of a snowball effect with the larger folks maybe pushing one another on conversions. Are you seeing any increased dialogues from others as a result of that one or two?

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

Great. Great question. I think what you're seeing a lot is Noke coming up even more or so because there's a big pressure on what do you do with costs? Our customers obviously, labor costs is their #1, #2 cost in any facilities, and a lot of them are looking at solutions that will help them reduce that cost. And obviously, as you said in the past, Noke is that one solution that really helps them reduce the need for the amount of labor in their site. So a lot of discussion on that. And I think there's -- what I would tell you in this past, even more discussion about, hey, how do we leverage that solution to actually get those savings.

[Dan Moore, analyst]

All right. Last one, I'll jump out. But obviously, with the work on the leverage and the cash generation, you're in a lot more positioned strength and flexibility. I appreciate the color on M&A. Anything else from a capital allocation perspective, given the valuation of your own shares? Is that something you might consider in a significant way as well?

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Yes. I think everything is on the table that we've always said. I think I want to restress M&A is a priority for us. I think, like we said earlier, deals are starting to come with a bit more realistic expectations on racing. So hopefully, we'll see some more come down through the pipeline that we have. And hopefully, we can actually execute. It's one of those things where we know that we do a great job of executing once we find the right target. So hopefully, that will happen.

[Operator]

Next question, Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

[David Tarantino, analyst]

This is David Tarantino on for Jeff. Maybe on -- start on the margins. It looks like the guidance applies a little bit of step back in 4Q, and it sounds like there was some unusually strong mix in self-storage. Is it this kind of just implying this rolls off into 4Q? And then maybe on that, can you maybe talk about the sustainability of kind of these gross margin levels in particular going into next year?

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

Yes. Great question. I think there's a small roll off. We had said that prior quarter, we had favorable mix. We saw still seeing some of that a mix and like you said, between higher self-storage growth there. I think for a long-term sustainability, one of the things we've already said is that we're always looking at productivity, constantly opportunities, and they are still there. 2 factories that we're working on putting in place are not up yet. And once those 2 go up, we'll get further productivity. So I think there's definitely more sustained productivity to help them continue margin improvement.

[David Tarantino, analyst]

Okay. Great. And then maybe just to put a finer point on the new construction in R3. I mean construction was surprisingly strong and R3 took a little bit of a modest step back. It seems like this might have just been timing. Maybe how should we think about this for the rest of 2023 and into '24?

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Yes. It's definitely timing. If you look at our customers, obviously, they do both types of construction generally. They can be doing new construction in R3 at the same time. And sometimes just timing dictates that they want the new construction done earlier. So that's kind of all we're seeing right now. If I -- the other way we look at it is just looking at the total customer spend with us and as you blend the two, you can see it's very strong and robust in the self-storage side.

[David Tarantino, analyst]

Great. And maybe if I could sneak one more in. Could you give us a little bit of color on commercial, obviously, declined against what was really strong compares, maybe how should we be thinking about this going forward?

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Yes. I think what we had said in prior is still the same thing. It will continue through the end of the year. Definitely strong comparables last year also, we said that we had some really strong [ segment ] of that commercial business that was just really strong back to a normal type of growth number. So once we get past that strong [ apparel ] that we had by the end of Q4, it should be back to a more normal kind of growth rate in the commercial business.

[Operator]

Next question, Stanley Elliott with Stifel.

[Andrew Maser, analyst]

This is Andrew Maser on for Stanley. On the services revenue, you posted nice growth in the quarter and year-to-date. I was wondering if that's driven by like existing services offerings? Or are you expanding into adjacent services, and also, do you have any thoughts on how this business performs if we were to see product sales slow?

[Anselm Wong, executive]

All right. Just to comment on the services piece, like we said, you're looking at the [ split ] between products and services, how we account for it. And it's just a bit of timing like we said in other quarters, sometimes you'll see the service piece be stronger than the products piece. In general, we sell a full solution to our customers. So again, sometimes timing dictates what happens for some time, you'll see the product piece in one quarter strong and the other. But in general, overall, between the two, especially in the self-storage, still fairly long for both. As to your question about kind of what happens if they're slowdown, it generally, again, would happen to both at the same time, right, because it's a full solution offering. And again, right now, based on the backlog, based on the policy, we still see it fairly strong for both. But you may see a split between how much is in R3 versus new construction as well as timing on when it's going to be insourced or the products.

[Andrew Maser, analyst]

And then on the fourth quarter guide, I was wondering if you could expand a little bit more on your outlook for incrementals in the fourth quarter, I guess, in the next year or two? And where are you still seeing inflation? And do you foresee the need for additional commercial actions into next year?

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Sure. Yes, we haven't provided guidance for next year, but I'll give you a little color. If you look at we're seeing for inflation. Obviously, steel is our biggest component driver that we use. And if you track steel beginning this year until now, it was going down. But if you look at the last couple of weeks is back up the other way. I would tell you that -- I wish I could forecast it, better than anyone else, but it is with commodity. So I think the key thing is we have the levers that we need to do from a commercial construction, if sustains one way other way. I think right now, if you look at where the latest says, it's cash going back to almost the kind of average at the kind of high point. So we're not past there yet. So I think it's just it's costs -- we're going to have to continue to watch and then have the appropriate action if we need to be somewhere at [ city ].

[Operator]

Next question John Lovallo with UBS.

[Spencer Kaufman, analyst]

This is actually Spencer Kaufman on for John. Nice results. First question, overall sales were up 7% in the quarter. Is it fair to assume that this is mostly volume? And how are you guys thinking about pricing actions over the next quarter or two, trying to kind of tie back your comments on steel pricing coming in for most of the year and then getting a little bit more volatile in the last few weeks?

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Yes. I think, again, it's been volatile, but if you look at the average steel is that even with the more recent announcement of steel price increases, it's still kind of -- if you did an average, you're still about the average where we did our last commercial actions. So at this point, again, not saying that we wouldn't do it action if we need to. But now if you look at that, you'd assume where we price it is probably matching kind of where our cost is coming in right now on average.

And in terms of kind of what you saw in volume, it's a mix. If you look at the overall, a lot of the growth is pricing. But if you look at it split between commercial and the self-storage side, yes, there's a decent amount of volume that we're seeing on the self-storage side.

[Spencer Kaufman, analyst]

Okay. That makes sense. I think you talked about a newer competitor coming into Noke's market fairly recently. Can you just give us an update on how you're seeing the dynamics in that business?

[Anselm Wong, executive]

Still I think it's still early to say because I think, there's definitely competitors in there. But just to, at least, from our view of the market and what we've seen so far, we haven't seen anyone or close to kind of obviously, the amount of deals that implementations we're putting in right now. And I think it's good to have another challenger out there. I think if you look at our Noke solution what we offer there, let's just say there'll be more offerings coming out of that since that we're doing because of what we've learned with the initial solutions that we've had out there. and constantly looking at how to improve and add more value-added offerings to our customers.

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

Yes, one more thing. The new entrants, just right off the bat are generations behind where we stand today. We've been at this for several years, very integrated into our customers are learning a lot, adapting to their actual needs. We continue to bring out new products. The AWS partnership was extremely beneficial, and we're starting to see that with the productivity in the solution. And keep in mind, we integrate this with our doors and hallways. So we're the #1 provider in the space. And it's just going to be difficult for competitors to kind of match that value proposition.

[Spencer Kaufman, analyst]

Right. Okay. That's super helpful. If I could just squeeze one more in here. Any thoughts as to where industry capacity utilization is right now versus a target 85%.

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

Yes. I think it's in the mid- to lower 90s right now, depending on -- we haven't heard all of the REITs report yet, but I think the ones that have reported are around mid to low 90%.

[Operator]

There are no further questions. I would like the floor over to Ramey for closing remarks.

[Ramey Jackson, executive]

All right. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We appreciate your support of Janus International and look forward to updating you on our progress. Have a great day.

[Operator]

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.