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Fair Isaac Corp
Earnings Call Analysis
Q3-2024 Analysis
Fair Isaac Corp
In the third quarter, the company reported revenues of $448 million, marking a 12% increase over the previous year. The Scores segment, which is pivotal to the business, exhibited a robust growth of 20% compared to the same quarter last year. Notably, the business-to-business (B2B) segment experienced a significant rise of 27%, driven primarily by mortgage originations, which surged by 80% year-over-year. This was tempered by a slight decline of 2% in business-to-consumer (B2C) revenues.
Despite the impressive revenue growth, GAAP net income for the quarter was $126 million, a decrease of 2% compared to the previous year's quarter. This drop was attributed to higher expenses and a tough comparative quarter in 2023, which included a one-time reimbursement and a reduction in income tax expense. The company reported GAAP earnings per share of $5.05, down 1% year-over-year. On a non-GAAP basis, net income was $156 million, with earnings of $6.25 per share – representing increases of 9% and 10%, respectively.
Record free cash flow was a highlight, reaching $206 million for the quarter, a 69% increase from the previous year. Over the last twelve months, free cash flow totaled $551 million. The company continues to return capital to shareholders, repurchasing 196,000 shares at an average price of $1,293 per share during the quarter. Additionally, the Board authorized a new $1 billion share repurchase program, indicating confidence in the company's ongoing financial health.
The Software segment, contributing $206 million in the third quarter, saw a growth of 5% from last year. The growth was primarily driven by an increase in Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) revenue, which offset a decline in professional services. The company achieved a 10% increase in total Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR), with platform ARR surging by 31%. The Non-Recurring Revenue Rate (NRR) was healthy at 108%, demonstrating a strong expansion within existing customer accounts.
Total operating expenses for the quarter were $258 million, up 16% year-over-year. This increase was primarily due to the FICO World event and adjustments for annual incentives. The company anticipates a slight decrease in expenses in the forthcoming quarter. Importantly, the non-GAAP operating margin was 52%, a slight improvement from 51% in the previous year. The company is also expecting margin expansion in the next quarter due to lower anticipated event costs.
The company raised its full-year guidance, reflecting its strong performance and positive outlook. Full-year revenues are now estimated to be $1.70 billion. GAAP net income is projected to be $500 million, with earnings per share of $19.90. On a non-GAAP basis, net income is expected to be $582 million, with earnings per share of $23.16. This upward revision underscores the company's confidence in its strategic direction and financial health.
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Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Third Quarter 2024 FICO Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.
I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Dave Singleton. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, and thank you for attending FICO's third quarter earnings call. I'm Dave Singleton, Vice President of Investor Relations, and I'm joined today by our CEO, Will Lansing; and our CFO, Steve Weber. Today, we issued a press release that describes financial results compared to the prior year. And on this call, management will also discuss results in comparison with the prior quarter to facilitate an understanding of the run rate of the business.
Certain statements made in this presentation are forward-looking under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Those statements involve many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Information concerning these risks and uncertainties is contained in the company's filings with the SEC, particularly in the risk factors and forward-looking statements portions of such filings.
Copies are available from the SEC, from the FICO website or from our Investor Relations team. This call will also include statements regarding certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the company's earnings release and Regulation G schedule issued today for a reconciliation of each of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measure. The earnings release and Regulation G schedule are available on the Investor Relations page of the company's website at fico.com or on the SEC's website at sec.gov. And a replay of this webcast will be available through July 31, [ 2025 ].
Now I will turn the call over to our CEO, Will Lansing.
Thanks, Dave, and thank you, everyone, for joining us for our third quarter earnings call. In the Investor Relations section of our website, we posted some financial highlights slides that we will be referencing during our presentation.
Today, I'll talk about this quarter's results and our increased guidance for the full fiscal year. We continue to deliver strong quarterly results, including impressive growth in our ACV bookings and free cash flow. As shown on Page 2 of the third quarter financial highlights, we reported Q3 revenues of $448 million, up 12% over the last year. We delivered $126 million of GAAP net income in the quarter, down 2% and GAAP earnings of $5.05 per share, down 1% from the prior year. On a non-GAAP basis, Q3 net income was $156 million, with earnings of $6.25 per share. Up 9% and 10%, respectively.
We had a difficult comp in year-over-year net income as Q3 of 2023 included an $8.5 million onetime reimbursement of third-party data implementation costs as well as a $9.5 million reduction to income tax expense associated with the valuation of our R&D credits. We delivered record free cash flow of $206 million in our third quarter and $551 million over the last 4 quarters. We continue to return capital to our shareholders through buybacks. In Q3, we repurchased 196,000 shares at an average price of $1,293 per share. We announced a new Board authorization for $1 billion of share repurchase. In our Scores segment, on Page 6 of the presentation, our third quarter revenues were $241 million, up 20% versus the prior year. Breaking that down, in B2B, current quarter revenues were up 27% versus the prior year.
In B2C, the current quarter revenues were down 2% versus the prior year. Third quarter mortgage originations revenues were up 80% versus the prior year. Mortgage origination revenue accounted for 49% of B2B revenue and 39% of total Scores revenue. Auto originations revenues were down 3%, while credit card, personal loan and other originations revenues were down 7% versus the prior year. We continue to drive strong adoption for FICO Score 10 T for non-GSE mortgages. Based on 2023 firm reported data, clients with over $126 billion in annualized mortgage originations and about $380 billion in eligible mortgage portfolio servicing have signed up for the FICO Score 10 T. Firms are using FICO 10 T to make credit decisions, deliver to investors and for securitization. FICO 10 T for conforming mortgages will be rolled out based on the time line of the FHFA's implementation of enterprise credit score requirements.
In our software segment, we delivered $206 million in Q3 revenue, up 5% and from last year, driven mainly by growth in SaaS software, partially offset by a decline in professional services. We continue to drive strong growth in ARR and NRR through our land and expand strategy with expand driven by increased customer usage. As shown on Page 7, total ARR was up 10% with platform ARR growing 31% and non-platform ARR growing 3%. Total NRR for the quarter shown on Page 8 was 108%, with platform NRR at 124% and non-platform NRR at 101%. Our total ACV bookings for the quarter were an impressive $27.5 million. We continue to drive more FICO platform SaaS bookings, which aligns with our strategy. We expect this trend to continue as our recent FICO World event has been a catalyst for driving pipeline growth, especially for the FICO Platform.
I'm very proud of the strength of our software business, both the industry-leading technology as well as our remarkable team. This quarter, we secured another award for our FICO Platform, the business intelligence platform in the year from data breakthrough. In July, Nikhil Behl was promoted at the EVP for software, leading all technology and go-to-market functions. Nikhil has been instrumental in strengthening our brand value, reputation with customers and regulators, strategic competitive positioning for FICO Scores and FICO Platform and market-leading business growth. We continue to excel in our Scores business as well.
Our team is focused on innovation to provide new ways to add value to our customers. FICO Scores is a tool that market participants rely on to make many crucial decisions, including prequal, underwriting, pricing, ensuring, securitizing, rating, selling, assessing capital requirements, assessing prepayment risk and determining collection strategies. The FICO Score has long been freely chosen because it's trusted as the most predictive and reliable independent credit score, enabling lenders to fairly expand credit access to more consumers. The FICO Score was widely adopted because it demonetized and expanded access to credit while simultaneously underpin the safety and soundness of the market. It's worth pointing out that over half of mortgage market is not conforming.
And also overwhelmingly uses FICO Scores. The FICO Score is provided and will continue to provide tremendous value to the credit ecosystem. As part of our ongoing commitment to industry-leading credit decision, we've made significant commitments to financial knowledge and financial inclusion. We've once again partnered with Chelsea Football club, both men's and women's teams and U.S. Soccer Foundation for the field of financial empowerment summer tour.
The goal is to build excitement for and access to financial education and resources to help more people, including the next generation of fans make more informed credit decisions. As part of the campaign, FICO Host free Score a better future fundamentals, financial education workouts for students from traditionally underserved communities. Students improve financial literacy and have the opportunity to attend a Chelsea Football game. I'll talk about our outlook for the balance of the year, including our increased guidance after Steve provides further financial details.
Thanks, Will, and good afternoon, everyone. As Will mentioned, we had another good quarter with total revenues of $448 million, an increase of 12% over the prior year. Score segment revenues for the quarter were $241 million, up 20% from Q3 of 2023. B2B revenues were up 27%, driven primarily by mortgage origination revenues. Our B2C revenues were down 2% versus the prior year due to volume declines in our myFICO.com business. Software segment revenues in the third quarter were $206 million, up 5% versus Q3 2023. On-prem and SaaS software revenue grew 7% year-over-year, while professional services declined 9%. This quarter, 85% of total company revenues were derived from our Americas region, which is a combination of our North America and Latin American regions. Our EMEA region generated 10% of revenues and the Asia Pacific region generated 5%.
Our total software ARR was $710 million, a 10% increase over the prior year. Platform ARR was $215 million, representing 30% of our total Q3 '24 ARR, up from 25% of total in Q3 of 2023. Platform ARR grew 31% versus the prior year, while non-platform ARR grew 3% to $495 million this quarter. Our platform land and expand strategy continues to be successful. Our dollar-based net retention rate in the quarter was 108%. Platform NRR was 124%, while our non-platform NRR was 101%. Platform NRR was driven by a combination of new use cases and increased usage.
Our software ACV bookings for the quarter were $27.5 million, as a reminder, ACV bookings include only the annual value of software sales and exclude professional services. Our expenses for the quarter, total operating expenses were $258 million this quarter versus $222 million in the prior year, and the increase of 16% year-over-year and 8% versus the prior quarter. Our third quarter included our FICO World event and a true-up for our annual incentive rewards, and we expect Q4 expenses to be down modestly from our Q3 run rate.
As Will noted, the prior year includes an $8.5 million onetime reimbursement of third-party data implementation costs and a reduction to income tax expense of $9.5 million associated with the valuation of our R&D tax credits. Our non-GAAP operating margin, as shown in our Reg G schedule, was 52% for the quarter compared with 51% in the same period last year.
GAAP net income this quarter was $126 million, down 2% from the prior year's quarter. Our non-GAAP net income was $156 million for the quarter, up 9% from the prior year's quarter. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 24.5%. We believe that our fiscal year 2024 net effective tax rate is expected to be around 22%, while our recurring tax rate is expected to be around 26%. Recurring tax rate is before any excess tax benefit and other discrete items. Free cash flow for the quarter was $206 million, a 69% increase from the previous year. The trailing 12-month free cash flow was $551 million compared to $467 million in the prior quarter. At the end of the quarter, we had $199 million in cash and marketable investments. Our total debt at quarter end was $2.13 billion with a weighted average interest rate of 5.3%.
Currently, 61% of our total debt is fixed rate. Our floating rate debt is prepayable at any time, giving us the flexibility to use free cash flow to reduce outstanding floating rate debt balances in future periods. During the quarter, we secured a $450 million term loan and used those proceeds to reduce our revolving line of credit and to provide additional debt capacity.
Turning to return of capital. We bought back 196,000 shares in the third quarter at an average price of $1,293 per share. That exhausted the existing board authorization, which was approved in January, and we have just announced a new Board authorization for $1 billion. We continue to view share repurchases as an attractive use of cash.
And with that, I'll turn it back to Will for his thoughts on the rest of the year and the increase in our full year guidance.
Thanks, Steve. We are executing on our strategy. Our customers are delighted with our innovative products, our execution is generating strong financial results, including impressive ACV bookings, record free cash flow and an increase in FICO Platform and FICO 10 T adoption. The business is strong. I'm pleased to report that today we're again raising our full year guidance as we enter the fourth quarter of our fiscal year. We're raising our full year revenue guidance to $1.70 billion. GAAP net income is now expected to be $500 million with GAAP earnings per share of $19.9. Non-GAAP net income is now expected to be $582 million, with non-GAAP earnings per share of $23.16.
With that, I'll turn it back to Dave, and we'll open up the Q&A session.
Thanks, Will. This concludes our prepared remarks, and we're now ready to take questions. Operator, please open the lines. .
[Operator Instructions] And our first question is going to come from the line of Faiza Alwy with Deutsche Bank.
So I wanted to start with the software business and just ask you if you could comment on the selling environment, if there's any change from a macro perspective, anything new or different you're hearing from your customers? And then I know at FICO World, we had talked about improvement of the platform and talking about decomposition of the platform. So just give us a sense of if there's any update there and any additional color?
Well, FICO World is always and was this year the biggest pipeline generating event that we have. And so we came out of FICO World with a very, very healthy pipeline I would say that the selling environment has not changed that much over the last year or so. And I would also emphasize that increasingly, customers are buying FICO software as a strategic move. And so it's a very considered purchase. And it's not just like going out and finding a point solution to a small problem to a specific problem. It's a bigger thing than that. And that hasn't changed. That's kind of the new way of operating.
Got it. And then just a question on mortgage revenues. You obviously had very strong growth in the quarter. I'm curious how volume trended in the quarter? I know you don't give a breakdown, but was it in line with your expectations? Are there any dynamics you're seeing around softball where I believe lenders have the option to go to 1 or 2 bureaus like that? Are you seeing an impact on volumes from that and just the general environment around more...
Our mortgage volumes are a lagging indicator relative to other mortgage data that you have. Our mortgage volumes are down versus a year ago, they're pretty much flat versus the quarter last quarter. And then none of that is particularly surprising.
[Operator Instructions] Our next question is going to come from the line of Surinder Thind with Jefferies.
First question on just the guidance raise. It implies revenues are going to be down roughly $10 million quarter-over-quarter. Just any color there. I know you normally are conservative in the guide, but just -- can you do the walk for us from 3Q to fiscal...
Yes. So we are pretty conservative with the way we guide. So we want to make sure that a lot of the -- on the scores, we don't have much control over, right? So we don't really know what's going to happen there. I would say that generally, the fourth quarter is a little lighter seasonally for mortgage, mortgage volumes aren't as high typically then as they are in the spring. So there might be some -- a little bit of volume decline ever a lot, which depends on the environment, which we don't have a lot of visibility to.
And then in terms of just -- when I think about the non-platform business here, the NRR was 101% that's the slowest pace of growth in about 2 years. So any color there that you can help with? Is there some movement of revenues from nonplatform to platform at this point? How should we think about that?
I wouldn't say that it's cannibalization if that's what your question is getting at. We're pretty pleased with our classic offerings with 101% NRR. We've we've been trying to manage that business in this relatively flat way, and we're pleased that it's turning out that way. But as you can see, the growth is on the expand side on the platform. We don't -- we let the market tell us what it wants, but we're not displeased with the way it's shaking out.
Yes. And I would say, I mean, we had higher numbers last year. And at the time, we said there were some things driving that. Some of it was some of the CPI increases we had. And we had some advantages last year from some FX as well, and we knew that was not going to maintain this year. So it's kind of what we thought was going to happen, it would settle more to around 100%.
[Operator Instructions] Our next question is going to come from the line of Scott Witzel with Wolf Research.
I wanted to start on the auto origination side. Revenue is down 3% versus modestly up last quarter. Just wondering, similar to how you did mortgage, maybe comment on the volumes there and how they trended versus last quarter?
Yes, volumes were relatively flat, but there really is a mix shift. So we had more of a mix shift to more market share in the peers that are a little bit less price for us, unit cost is a little bit lower. So that's really the difference between the volume and the revenue. So the price per score went down slightly because of a mix shift.
Got it. That's helpful. And then on the software side, on the platform ARR, I mean, I think it's pretty good to see the sort of rate of deceleration moderate from 2Q to 3Q at sort of this low 30s level. I mean, do you kind of see this as a sort of sustainable growth rate for platform ARR over the near to medium term here.
Probably, yes. I mean we don't -- we think we're pretty confident in that at around that rate. It can change as we go out further, but we think that's a sustainable rate. And we've got -- it helps when you have a good quarter like this in terms of signing new deals, too, because that will that will help boost the ARR in the future. So we don't have really good visibility to because a lot of it depends on how quickly our customers can get online and how much usage they have, but there's a lot of growth there. So we're pretty confident that we can maintain these levels.
Our next question is going to come from the line of Kyle Peterson with Needham.
Great I just wanted to start out on software, particularly the bookings looked pretty nice on an ACV basis, come a lot of the prior quarters. So -- how should we think about some of the implementation cycles and kind of when some of those bookings will start to translate to revenue here?
It's -- as you know, it's a long sales cycle, as long as 400 days, and it takes not that long to get live once it's all said and done. But I think that the flow-through is the subsequent year. I mean that's the easiest way to think about it.
Yes. And it does depend on the customer, how sophisticated they are, how ready they are. But yes, I mean, if you sign deals now in the next 6 to 9 months start seeing a flow-through on that.
Got it. That's very helpful. And then just a follow-up on particularly on if we do get rate cuts, whether it's later this year or next year. Maybe if you could walk us through some of the different sensitivities. I know you're business now looks quite a bit different maybe compared to past cycles. So especially in those first 1 to 2 rate cuts, what are some of the impacts that we should be mindful of if those do come to fruition?
We're already seeing a little bit of an uptick in [ refi ] -- and it's not exactly a gigantic leap of faith that as rates come down, we'll see volumes go up. We fully anticipate that. Your guess is as good as ours as to the timing of the rate cuts. We would hope to see some rate cuts towards the end of this year and next year and volumes go up with that.
Our next question is going to come from the line of George Tong with Goldman Sachs.
Within the Scores business, card and personal loan revenue fell 7% in the quarter, which is a little bit better the 9% decline in the prior quarter. Can you talk about some of the trends you're seeing among subprime or lower tier consumers that may be impacting card and personal loan performance and also talk about overall bank lending conditions?
Yes. I mean the supply markets obviously seen the base pullback, which is not surviving, right? You're late in the credit cycle, you have a lot more uncertainty, and that's kind of where you see the happen first. bank by bank, it kind of varies depending on what they're looking at and what kind of campaigns they may or may not be running. But we see banks being relatively conservative with new originations.
And I think they're kind of waiting to see what happens and see what the economic environment looks like. So it's really not surprising. We saw a strong growth there. When mortgage started slow down, rates start to go up, we saw strong growth there. But now I think there's just more uncertainty in the market, and they're just kind of being more cautious in the origination.
Got it. That's helpful. And then switching to the software side. Software operating margins contracted about [ 430 ] bps year-over-year in the third quarter. Can you talk about some of the reasons behind what...
It's almost completely around that reimbursement we had last year. So that -- it was a big number we had, and that was all on the software side. So that's the driver of that.
And so as that last -- when would you expect the flip to margin expansion in the software business?
Well, we'll get some margin expansion next quarter because, I mean, again, we had some costs at FICO World this quarter was not going to repeat next quarter. So we'll have some -- our cost of decline next quarter that will end up with some margin expansion. These costs are big enough where in any one given quarter, something like FICO Worlds going to have an impact on that quarter's margin.
And our next question comes from the line of Ashish Sabadra with RBC.
Just on the software revenue growth, particularly the on-prem and SaaS. And within that, when I look at software recognized over the contract term, the growth there moderated? How should we think about the growth profile there?
Ashish, we can't hear you. We can't hear you.
Sorry. Let me know it's better. Yes. So I wanted to focus on the on-prem and SaaS software revenue growth. And within that, even the software recognized to a contract term that moderated a bit, still pretty strong at [ 80% ], but did moderate from mid-teens. How should we think about those puts and takes on the revenue growth going forward?
Yes. I mean a lot of that is the fact that we had the Omega growth the non-platform growth to what we saw last year. So that right there drives most of the -- and then obviously, the platform is growing 50% either. But -- so we think these kind of growth rates forward, as I said earlier, that's probably more likely, but we're going to see to continue. And if the numbers get bigger, it's harder to drive 50% growth, [indiscernible] into [ 4% ] growth. So we're pretty happy with the 30% growth in the platform side and on non-platform, we think we can get better than 100%. We're happy with that as well.
And our next question comes from the line of Simon Clinch with Redburn Atlantic.
I wanted to cycle back to the [ 30% ] plus growth the platform software ARR. And just -- I was wondering if you could just go in a little bit more detail as to why you think that, that is a sustainable level of growth? And just perhaps flesh that out a little bit more for us?
Well, I mean, we've got -- I mean, again, we had a really good quarter with new bookings, and we've got a lot of installed base that's rapidly expanding. I mean when we install most of our customers look for new ways to use it, and we see that in the net retention rate. And that's -- that number continues to be -- do well, and we continue to add more business to it. So we can't guarantee it, but we've got a lot of reasons both data-driven and anecdotally, to think that we're going to continue to see that kind of growth.
Okay. And just to follow up on that. Could you -- I mean just frame the approach to pricing within the software business. You mentioned last year and I think it was the non-platform side, you had sort of higher inflatory pricing. But just wondering if you could talk a bit about the strategy around the pricing, pricing value and how to think about that going forward?
Our strategy around software pricing is -- we're very focused right now on making our software accessible and encouraging adoption. And so while there's probably room for value pricing in our software business, that's not where our direction is. Our direction is to put the software in the hands of our customers and then watch revenue grow as their usage increases. And the usage increases within the initial applications that they put the platform to use for. And then also, as they discover new uses, the expand part of our land expand strategy is very much wrapped around the customer taking control of what they can do with the platform and coming up with new use cases.
And we tend to design in a way that we don't have to renegotiate contracts and go back and do a lot of actual work for them to do more revenue with us. We tend to design it in a way that they can select how much usage they want and our revenue goes up automatically as their usage goes up.
And our next question is going to come from the line of Jeff Meuler with Baird.
Instead of me getting to ask a question about cash flow this quarter, I just got to say congrats on the night cash flow. Can you give us some perspective on the geographic kind of trends within software? And I guess I'm just -- it looks like Americas revenue was down a little year-over-year. So any particular callouts? And then EMEA was up a lot. So just any mega wins in EMEA or any reason to think that you're at an inflection point there, and it's really taking off?
Jeff, I don't think that we have tremendous changes regionally. I wouldn't try to read too much into the data on a quarterly basis. We have strength of platform across all the regions. I think Asia Pacific was a little behind the other regions in terms of platform adoption. And there were some structural reasons for that. For example, AWS was not available in India before and now it is. But we're seeing adoption across other regions.
Yes. I would think some of what you see might see with the volatility is when we have that point-in-time license revenue and that could skew things in one given quarter. But we've had a lot of adoption in the last year in North America, and we're starting to see a lot more interest to in EMEA as well.
Okay. And then when you're calling out the FICO 10 T FICO adoption and the nonperforming mortgage market, is that almost exclusively about upgrades from prior versions of the FICO Score given how high your penetration is? Or are you finding, I guess, like incremental volume as part of that adoption?
It's a bit of both, but probably more of the upgrade.
Yes. I mean for the most part, everybody was using the traditional FICO Scores and now they're just moving to the 10 T ahead of the adoption by the FHFA.
[Operator Instructions] And our next question is going to come from the line of Manav Patnik with Barclays.
I just wanted to ask, Will, I think you tried to reference some of these in your prepared remarks, but in the face of some public criticism around the price of your stores? Like how is your approach or thought process around the value of your score, maybe the timing around which you get to that value? Has that changed at all?
Well, you've heard us say in the past, and I certainly continue to believe that what we charge for the FICO Score is so much less than the value that we provide that I would say there's not a lot of change in our thought process. Our thought process is that over time, we're going to close some of that gap. And I think anyone who actually studied the numbers and gets into the details of it, sees the FICO Scores a tiny piece of the overall process, whether you're talking mortgage or any other kind of credit evaluation process. And so I would say no, no real change anticipated.
Okay. And then somewhat similarly, on the software side, I think you talked about that value proposition being unique and niche, et cetera. But we've heard obviously a lot of other software companies during the earnings season talk about the weak environment and the slowdown. It doesn't sound like you're seeing any of that, but anything you'd like to call out? Or is there may be some -- could it be a lag that you see some of these headwinds or perhaps you're not seeing it at all?
We're really not seeing that. That's not -- that's -- I mean, we've certainly heard that, and I guess the industry is experiencing that, but we haven't felt that.
Thank you. This will conclude today's question-and-answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, this will also conclude today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day. Goodbye.