ESCO Technologies Inc

NYSE:ESE

Earnings Call Transcript 2021-Q3

[Operator]

Good day and welcome to the ESCO Q3 conference call. Today's call is being recorded. With us today are Vic Richey, Chairman and CEO, Chris Tucker, Vice President and CFO.

And now to present the forward-looking statement, I would like to turn the call over to Kate Lowrey, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Kate Lowrey, Director of Investor Relations]

Thank you. Statements made during this call regarding the timing of recovery and growth of our end markets, the amounts and timing of 2021 and beyond revenues, impacts of COVID and COVID variants and recovery expected as a result of COVID vaccines, recovery in commercial aerospace, adjusted EPS, adjusted EBITDA, cash, shareholder value, the timing of Block 5 deliveries, success in completing additional acquisitions, success in integrating acquired businesses, the results of cost reduction efforts, the correction of production and inventory issues and other statements which are not strictly historical are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor Provisions of the federal securities laws.

These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions and actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties that exist in the company's operations and business environment including, but not limited to the risk factors referenced in the company's press release issued today, which will be included as an exhibit to the company's Form 8-K to be filed. We undertake no duty to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

In addition, during this call, the company may discuss some non-GAAP financial measures in describing the company's operating results. A reconciliation of these measures to their most comparable GAAP measures can be found in the press release issued today and found on the company's website at www.escotechnologies.com under the link, Investor Relations.

Now, I will turn the call over to Vic.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Thanks Kate and thanks everyone for joining today's call. Before we jump in the details of the quarter, I just would like thank our employees across the company for their ongoing efforts around the business. With the ongoing challenges from COVID, we continue to see great efforts and contributions from everyone across the company. And for that, I am very appreciative. Since the beginning of the pandemic, our primary goal has remained the same, provide a safe working environment and protect the health of our employees and today, we continue to encourage our staff to get fully vaccinated for the benefit of everyone.

There were few challenges in the third quarter, but overall, the company continues to perform well. Cash generation year-to-date has been excellent. We have teams focused on the working capital initiatives around the company and there's still room for improvements as we move forward. This can be a long term value creation tool for ESCO. Our previous cost reduction actions along with our enhanced focus on operational efficiency will benefit ESCO going forward as our end markets continue moving toward a more normalized level of activity. And I am confident that our disciplined approach to operating in the business will result in continued success as we move into fiscal 2022.

While Chris will provide the financial details, I will offer some top level commentary to set the tone. While our year-to-date A&D sales continue to be lower than prior year, due to COVID's impact on the commercial aerospace, our portfolio diversity allowed us to mitigate this headwind as our year-to-date consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin is only down slightly compared to prior year-to-date margins. This performance was driven by solid contribution from our other operating units as a result of a favorable sales mix and meaningful cost reductions across the company.

From a segment level, there are several positives to report. Within A&D, we are seeing signs of recovery in the commercial aerospace as passenger boardings continued to increase in more airlines are adding idle aircraft back into service. Sales to our commercial aerospace customers were still down in the third quarter, as the recovery in this sectors that has been a bit slower than we anticipated.

U.S. domestic travel has picked up but is still slightly below 2019 levels. Those of you who have been to an airport lately were probably surprised, but this is what the TDA statistics show. It's important to understand that business travel remained soft and air travel in Europe and overall international travel are still well below 2019 levels. The good news is that we are starting to see order activity increase in the third quarter. And our overall A&D segment orders increased by more than 40% compared to last year's third quarter. Additionally, our Navy and space businesses remained strong and well funded and our outlook for near term growth opportunities continue to materialize in both of these areas.

Our test business continues to be steady. We have a good order input on global basis and we are actively managing material inflation and transportation issues as they arise. We expect tests outlook to remain positive, driven by the strength of its served markets including 5G, medical and automotive.

Our USG business continues to outperform from a profitability perspective with year-to-date adjusted EBIT margins of 19.4% compared to 15.1% last year. The renewables business at NRG has performed well in 2021 but the orders from Doble's utility customers have been a bit soft. We did see sales growth from Doble of approximately 8% in the quarter, but we have not yet seen demand return to pre-pandemic levels.

We feel great about the long term outlook for the USG business and I am very excited about the announcements today regarding closing two acquisitions. Our agreements to acquire Altanova had been announced back in May and we were able to get the deal closed on July 29. This business brings exciting new product offerings to our USG business and also significantly increases our global footprint.

Additionally, we announced today the purchase of Phenix Technologies. This is also an exciting business that further enhances the product offering of our USG group and provides greater access to the commercial industrial markets.

We have had additional meetings with the teams for both of these businesses. I am very encouraged by the quality of the people and their enthusiasm to join ESCO. We are confident these will be strong additions to ESCO and USG's portfolio that will drive future sales and earning growth. So overall, the fundamentals of our portfolio remains strong. The second half sales outlook is a bit behind initial projections, but orders have started to increase and we feel good about the growth outlook for 2022 and beyond.

Now I will turn it over to Chris.

[Chris Tucker, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer]

Thanks Vic. I will start by briefly touching on a few comparative highlights. Sales in the third quarter grew by 5% with A&D up 1.8%, USG up 12% and test growing 4.6%. This has been the first quarter in 2021 where we saw sales growth from all three segments Adjusted EBIT margins were 12.7% in the quarter compared to 14.2% in the prior year quarter. The margin decline was driven primarily by the operational inefficiencies and inventory write offs at Westland.

We had some commentary in the press release regarding Westland and we wanted to mention that here as well. In the quarter, we did become aware of some issues at Westland. They have experienced several challenges related to new product development programs, which led to increased production costs and product quality issues. No bad product was sent or billed to customers, but we did have charges recorded in the quarter of $2.1 million and year-to-date charges of $4.4 million.

The first and second quarter charges represent corrections to our previously reported financials and going forward, our 2021 year-to-date numbers will be updated to reflect these amounts. We have started work immediately to get the production issues fixed and to address cost issues within the business. There are strong synergies between Westland and our Globe subsidiary and we have already begun the work to bring these businesses together under one leadership structure. We have a strong outlook for this business and are committed to driving significant improvements as we move forward.

Adjusted EPS came in at $0.67 per share in the quarter below prior year $0.76 per share. Adjusted pre-tax dollars were down 2.5% compared to prior year Q3 and we had an exceptionally low tax rate in prior year Q3 which further reduced EPS.

Segment highlights in the quarter are as follows. A&D did see a return to sales growth in the quarter. The navy business grew by over 20% which more than offset declines in the commercial aerospace sales of approximately 10%. While the commercial aerospace sales were down, we did see the rate of the decline improve and we are seeing signs that the business is beginning to rebound. Margins for A&D were down driven by the issues at Westland.

USG saw growth of 12% in the quarter. The renewables business was very strong. The utility business did grow in Q3, but has not returned to pre-pandemic levels. Adjusted EBIT margins were 18.3% in Q3 compared to 14.8% in the prior year Q3. This strong improvement was driven by leverage on the sales growth and benefits from prior cost reduction activities.

The test business grew 4.6% in the quarter, continued steady performance from this group. Margins were down in the quarter due to mix and timing issues.

Year-to-date, operating cash flow is up over 40%. We continue to see great results from our focus on driving balance sheet improvements. The teams across the company continue to work multiple strategies for operating capital improvement and the results are very good. Some programs driving this performance include negotiating performance based payments in our A&D and test segments, which has had a significant impact as it often time results in new orders being cash positive throughout the life of the contract. Other efforts include adjusting safety stock levels and extending payment terms.

Year-to-date, our adjusted EBITDA was nearly $91 million with 17.8% compared to 18% in the 2020 year-to-date. Over the past year, we took several cost reduction actions across the company that have allowed us to hold margins during its down sales environment. Examples here include closure and consolidation of facilities, the move of manufacturing content to our Mexico facility and ongoing make-buy programs.

Amortization of intangibles and interest expense decreased while tax expense as a percent of pretax tax income increased in Q3 and year-to-date as we had several tax strategies implemented last year which benefited the 2020 comparative rates. Orders were a good story in Q3 as entered orders were strong. We booked $203.8 million of new business in the quarter ended with a backlog of $539 million and a book-to-bill of 112%. This represents 29% growth compared to prior year Q3.

Strength in orders came from all three segments with A&D orders increasing 44%, USG increasing 10% and test increasing 28%. As we continue navigating through what we hope is the near end of COVID, our number one focus remains the same, increasing and maximizing our liquidity to position us for future M&A growth and increase investment in new products and solutions. We have a strong balance sheet today and are excited about the recent acquisitions that Vic mentioned earlier.

We still have ample capacity for further acquisitions and we obviously continue to invest in the core business to enhance our organic growth profile. Our significant cash generation this year is a testament to this focus on liquidity. We have delivered free cash flow conversion at 118% of net earnings for the first nine months. As mentioned above, we have clear momentum in our working capital initiatives.

I did want to talk for a minute about the Q4 guidance. In the release, we did provide Q4 guidance. This is the first quarter that has included guidance since COVID began. The guidance for Q4 is a range of $0.73 to $0.78 per share. The sales levels in Q4 are a key issue as we think about the guidance and this range is predicated on a sales level in the range of $190 million to $200 million.

In the last three months, we have reduced the Q4 sales outlook for the commercial aerospace businesses and also for the utility businesses. The commercial aerospace backlogs are beginning to build, but we see those more as drivers for 2022 as opposed to Q4. For the utility space, we are seeing some growth compared to prior year, but not to the levels we had previously anticipated. The long term outlook for both of these markets continues to be positive and we feel good about our positioning as we look towards 2022.

We also want to be clear that this outlook excludes any impact from the acquisitions that were announced today. We will have sales and earnings impacts from those transactions, but they are not yet quantified and are therefore not included in the guidance that is provided.

With that, I will turn it back over to Vic.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Thanks Chris. Since I touched quite a few of my thoughts earlier in my commentary, I will just offer a few more comments before we move it Q&A. As Chris mentioned, we are a little softer than planned here in the back half of the year for the commercial aerospace and Doble's utility market. This doesn't change our long term commitment to these markets. We feel great about our end market exposure and our diverse portfolio allows us to manage through periods like this.

Outside these markets, we see a lot of growth opportunities in A&D for the military aerospace, Navy and space end markets. Investments in the renewable energy market continue to drive very strong performance for our NRG business. And test business see a lot of opportunities for the telecom, automotive and medical markets.

We just finished up a Board meeting at Boston last week and during those meetings we took the time to visit the Doble and Globe operations. We had a great set of meetings and really exciting interactions with the teams at the operating units. At Doble, we did a full update of the USG segment. The team has made great progress updating the product line across the business from renewable focused products at NRG to the new F8 launch at Doble.

It's great to see the innovation happen inside that business that our customers start bid spending again, we will be ready to support them. This also provided a chance to update our board on Phenix and Altanova acquisitions. They could firsthand see the excitement around these transactions. After visiting the Doble headquarters, we took the Board to visit the Globe facility. This was another great visit. The team at Globe has done an exceptional job. They are driving tremendous growth with the Navy surface oil treatment product line. The team has worked very hard to master a difficult manufacturing process. They are really rolling and it's fun to see a winning team in action. We had a full couple of days in Boston accomplishing all of this but it was time well spent. I would like to thank our Board for their ongoing support and guidance.

So with that, I think we are ready for some Q&A.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions]. First question will be coming from the line of Cameron Lochridge from Stephens. Your line is open.

[Cameron Lochridge, Stephens]

Hi. Good afternoon and thanks for taking my questions.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Good afternoon.

[Cameron Lochridge, Stephens]

So I just wanted to start on the M&A front. Great to see the two deals get closed Altanova and Phenix this quarter. I was just wondering if you could update us on, you called out the $700 million of liquidity in the press release. Maybe just what are you looking at in terms of end-market exposure, geographies, things like that, valuations, where there was might stand? Any update on the pipeline would be helpful.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Sure. So as I am sure you are hearing from a lot of other folks, the M&A market is pretty active right now. So we were able to get these two done. There is a number of other things that we are looking at. I would say the multiples, I think, have settled down a little bit. They are still probably a little higher than I would have anticipated in this environment. But we are seeing good opportunities there.

I think we will continue to focus on our utility segment and our A&D segment as far as geographical. The great thing about particularly Altanova and to a lesser extent, Phenix, those guys as well and both have really good international content. And so that really is an area we have been working to improve for a number of years.

So if you look at kind of the breakout, Doble's current sales are probably 85% in the U.S. and 15% outside of the U.S. If you look at Altanova, they are exactly the opposite. So they have some sales in U.S,, but 85% of their sales are in Europe and in Asia. And so that's really going to give us an opportunity to have a much bigger footprint outside of the U.S. and we will be able to sell some of their products here. We will sell some of Doble products there. And so this is really a great acquisition for us.

Take Phenix, it is a little more 50-50. But the thing they bring is some international content, but really some new products. A lot of theirs are more high-voltage products and more applicable in some cases, the commercial and industrial markets versus in addition to the utility markets.

So those are the kinds of things we will continue to look for, both on the utility side and on A&D. If you remember, I guess it was last quarter, maybe the quarter before, we had a small drop in acquisition in one of our A&D business and we will continue to look for those kinds of opportunities as well.

[Cameron Lochridge, Stephens]

That's great. Thank you. We will look forward to more announcements to come. I guess as a follow-up, switching to USG, I guess I was a little surprised to see the demand was still weak there. I realized with the Delta variant emerging it's probably be adding a little bit of uncertainty. But maybe if you could just talk to what you are hearing from customers? Maybe what's holding back that demand? Any update there, that would be helpful. Thank you.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Sure. It's a hard thing to predict. I would say one of the biggest issues that we are seeing is, well, a couple of things, I mean the utilities is still probably, 90% of people are working from home and so the people that we will be dealing with in any case. And so it's just much more difficult to do business when people aren't out there at work and to do the types of things they were doing. So that's been a little bit of a surprise.

The other thing is, I am more worried about delivering electricity right now than some of the other things. So a lot of the focus we see is on making sure that they are able to deliver electricity and paying attention to those type of things. They take a little bit of the focus off the testing of the infrastructure. We think that's a point in time that’s going to happen as we have talked about before. It's required that they do this type of testing. It's also good business to do this type of testing.

So I think it's just a little bit of everybody has kind of pulled their horns in a little bit. It's important to remember though, I mean it's not like we have stopped doing business there. I mean, our sales are down about 10% I think. And so we have seen some impact. We think it's going to pick up. We honestly thought it was going to pick up before now. But we think as we go into 2022 coming off a slower base, we will see some pretty good upside there.

[Cameron Lochridge, Stephens]

Got it. Thank you very much, I will turn it back. Thanks.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Thanks.

[Operator]

Our next question will come from the line of John Franzreb with Sidoti. Your line is open.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

Good afternoon guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just to stick with USG, the backlog though is really up nicely in the quarter. Is it a timing issue that's going on there? Is it going to be recognized more than the end of this calendar year? Is it going to be pushed back into next year because just looking historically it's actually reasonably good backlog number for the business?

[Chris Tucker, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. John, it's a good catch. A decent chunk of their orders that happened in the quarter were kind of some of their service contracts and their annual lease type activity. So that boosted the order number and the backlog number quite a bit. But you will see the revenue for that kind of stretch out over a year. So those aren't kind of book and ship type, product type orders that we see in the business a lot. So that's kind of the factor there that increased the backlog a little bit relative to kind of I was talking about the weaker sales.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Yes. I just want to add to that. If you look at Doble's business, you know they have got the instrument sales which is where we are seeing some softness. But if you look at services, that's been strong, our oil labs have been strong. The leases, as Chris said, has been strong. So it's really just one area where it's equipment buys. And so fortunately, I think, when it picks back up, it will make great spot, because as I mentioned in my commentary, they have spent a good bit of time and effort refreshing a lot of their products. And so we think when we come out of this that we are going to be a bit of the line. And the reality, I probably should have said this earlier, but we have not lost any business. It's just they haven't been buying to same levels they had historically.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

Okay. Fair enough. And I guess similarly on the test side of the business. When I look at the revenues on a sequential basis, $48 million in June and call it $40 million in March. I was actually a little surprised that it was not an increased operating margin on that kind of a revenue growth. Is there something holding back the OP margin contribution there in test?

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

No, I think we have talked about historically maybe before you started following us. But the thing we have to look at with the test business or I ask people look at, you kind of look at it on an annual basis, because there is so much variability from quarter-to-quarter that you can be led to believe if something is going on and maybe there is not, because it is a very much a project-driven business. And so the profitability from one quarter may be significantly different than it is from another quarter. That business has held up really nice this year. I am very confident that on an annual basis, they are going to do exactly what we expect them to, if not a little bit better. So there really is a lot of variability depending on mix and what projects are going through the backlog or through the sales channel in any given quarter.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

Okay. Fair enough. And I guess on the aerospace side of the business, any thoughts about what your customers' inventory looks like and how long it will take them to work through that inventory to get to equilibrium?

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

I can probably answer the first half of the question. but I can't the second half. So I think the inventory levels are coming down, certainly, I think everybody is kind of taking the opportunity to work their inventory down until they got more confidence in their build rates. I think that can only last for so long and I think there's some, if you read what's going on in the industry in a broader base, I think there's some concern by some of the larger OEMs about the supply base being able to support the ramp when it does happen. That should not be a concern for us.

I mean we have, obviously with our financial capacity, we are in a position where we can ramp up quickly. We can support customers. So I don't think that's going to be an issue. But the exact timing of that is one reason we are talking about the fourth quarter like we talking about it, because as we looked at it going in, the last time we talked and we thought that we are going to see a little bit more pickup in the fourth quarter, third and fourth quarter than we did.

So it's still a little hard to predict now. We have got a first look at 2022 and it actually looks pretty good. But we are going to get an update on that in September. And so we will be in a position to talk to you about that and talk about the assumptions we have in our plan at that time. So, I think as we get a little more time in this, we will get better insight into what their actual build rates are going to be. They provide those, they seem to be a little bit squishy right now but hope it's going to firm up here in the next 60 days or so.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

Okay. And I guess just one last question, if I may, on Westland and the production issues. Can you give some better color what's going on there? And it's behind you or not? I wasn't quite sure just based on the prepared remarks.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

I am sorry, I didn't hear the very last part of your question.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

The last part, are the issues behind you? Are they done yet? Or are they ongoing?

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

We have got our arms around those. I don't think there's going to be any additional issues. I think we have been through this in a big level of detail. But I would say a number of things happened. I mean we had some new product development that kind of, once it got out of control, that get out of control with a couple of products that we were ramping up on. Our new developments are always an area where you can have some concerns.

So we have some cost growth there. We had some inventory they got built up that got ahead of us as well. Part of the issue was, it's a pretty new business for us. It's a relatively small business and in a fairly remote location. So we probably didn't have as much focus on that as honestly we should have. And we had significant turnover in the financial group. And so typically that would have been caught by the group that we had like a complete turnover in a fairly small finance group.

The good news is, as we mentioned before, we didn't see any bad product out. We didn't charge the customer for anything that we shouldn't have. We have got it under control now. And so this is still a good business. Look, I mean it's a good business. The end customer is good. It's all Navy business, submarines and surface ships. So the end market is solid. We had some issues. We have got those fixed and I think we will be fine going forward.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

Great. Thanks for the additional color. I appreciate that.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

You bet. Thanks.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions]. Next question will be coming from the line of Jon Tanwanteng with CJS Securities. Your line is open.

[Jon Tanwanteng, CJS Securities]

Hi. Good afternoon guys and thank you for taking my questions. Vic, I just wanted to approach that USG and Doble question from a different perspective. I mean I think we were all pretty sure that that business will come back. But I guess the question is, does it come back by the fall when the utilities usually do their maintenance? Or is it more going to be a spring of next year type recovery when they are going to be able to do in the next cycle instead.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Well, I think if you look at what happened last year and I hesitate to say this, but if you remember we had a pretty solid first quarter last year and Doble probably certainly had best quarter. And so a lot of that was kind of bit of pent-up demand and utilities had funds that they wanted to deploy. And so we were in a position, certainly, to provide that for them as well. But Jon, I would be honest, it's really hard to predict right now. But we certainly think that given the low base we are coming off of in this quarter, we should start seeing some pickup, if not in fourth quarter certainly first part of next year.

[Jon Tanwanteng, CJS Securities]

Okay. Great. Thanks for that. And then just with regards to the two acquisitions. I was wondering if you could give us a sense of the growth potential across them. When you consider cross-selling and synergies and also the synergies that you might be able to get off from them. I understand that Altanova has done in Europe some, maybe not as much, but certainly from Phenix which is local?

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Sure. So we have clear centered plans in place and we reviewed those before we made the acquisition, reviewed them as recently as last week. And I think they are real. And I would say, the synergy is really are probably more prevalent with Altanova because of the cross-selling opportunities that we have. We really think we are going to be able to, they already got some decent growth projected.

Now, we didn’t exactly believe everything they said in their SIM, but we do think there's some pretty good growth there and I think getting the Doble name in there and the cross-selling that we will be able to do with our reps across the world and we have done this before, but it will be significant.

We did that with when we acquired Vanguard and Morgan Schaffer and others. And so they have done a good job historically of making sure that we get the best reps and are able to access those markets in the most effective way. And I think that same thing will happen here. Like, I think as I mentioned earlier just because of their big footprint outside the U.S., I think this will be even more important to us.

[Jon Tanwanteng, CJS Securities]

Okay. Great. Thank you. And then just on inflation, I guess, logistics. I think you said you wouldn't be having less trouble supplying your customers. But I am wondering if there is any cost that you may need to pass-through? And if you are seeing some, how are you dealing with it? Are they being passed too quickly? Or does it take some time to do that?

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Yes, I think we are actually doing it in real time. So I know in all three of the segments we are actively working price programs and we have got price kind of happening in real time almost. And I would also say that for some of the project type businesses,, the way they think of it is, they kind of roll these cost increases into their cost database. So as they are doing quotations and things like that, they have kind of got the latest look at what something is going to cost them and so they are able to kind of price those projects and those programs, factoring in whatever increases we are seeing.

So generally I think we feel like we are in pretty good shape there and certainly inflation is in the headlines and we are all seeing it and dealing with it. But we have been pretty proactive communicating around price from here out of the subsidiaries. And quite frankly that will be a key thing we focus with everybody on next month when we go through our financial review processes and we set the 2022 numbers we got to make sure that we continue to drive those price programs. But where we are today, we feel good about that.

[Jon Tanwanteng, CJS Securities]

Got it. Thanks. And just last one for me on the cash flow. You did a pretty good job converting to cash from earnings. I am just wondering is there a reset or outflow at some point that brings it back down? Or is this more of a one-time permanent gain in cash?

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Yes. Listen, I think in my mind, I think that the balance sheet is a lever that we can kind of continue to work. I think we have got room to run with the working capital initiatives. I am not sure will stay at 120% or 130% forever, but certainly we can drive a nice, we want to be in that 100%-plus range as we move forward and we want to drive, our turnovers higher and ROCEs higher. And that's kind of the framework that I will work with everybody on as we try to drive this over the long term. So I am really excited about the work that we have done already. But I think we have got, I still feel like we are kind of in the early innings there. We have got more to do.

[Jon Tanwanteng, CJS Securities]

Got it. Thank you.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Thank you Jon.

[Operator]

And we have a follow-up question comes from the line of John Franzreb with Sidoti. Your line is open.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

Yes. I guess just to follow-up on some of Jon's questions. What would your projected debt level be at the end of the fourth quarter?

[Chris Tucker, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer]

We are looking at a leverage ratio still below 1.5 times from kind of the 0.43 that we are at today or whatever.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

Yes. I was just curious how much drawdown of cash versus debt you were thinking about for the acquisition. That's kind of where I was going with that.

[Chris Tucker, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer]

Well, a lot of the cash, we have a fair chunk of the cash on the balance sheet today that's international and not really easy to deploy towards the deal. So we work that separately to kind of get that cash back. But it's not available today as we close on those deals. So you will see most of that going on the debt side.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

Okay. All right. And I guess, again following on Jon again. I was wondering how much of unabsorbed cost or inflationary costs you are forced to take in the third quarter, if you could call that out at all? Or with the pricing increases well matched, that was immaterial?

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

I would say immaterial. I mean we had a little bit of inflation called out by a few of the subs, but not enough to really move the needle. So overall that was kind of a wash.

[John Franzreb, Sidoti]

Congratulations. Thanks for taking my follow-ups.

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

You bet.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions].

[Vic Richey, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, President]

Okay. Well, listen, I think we will end the call now. Thanks everybody for dialing in. I look forward to talking to you in the next call. Thank you.

[Chris Tucker, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer]

Thanks everyone.

[Operator]

And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you everyone for your participation. You may now disconnect.