Donaldson Company Inc

NYSE:DCI

Earnings Call Transcript 2018-Q3

[Operator]

Good morning. My name is Denise, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Donaldson’s Q3 Fiscal Year 2018 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session [Operator Instructions].

Thank you. Brad Pogalz, Director of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

[Brad Pogalz, Director of Investor Relations]

Thanks Denise. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining Donaldson's third quarter 2018 earnings conference call. With me today are Tod Carpenter, Chairman, CEO and President of Donaldson and Scott Robinson, our Chief Financial Officer. Tod and Scott will provide an overview of our recent performance and outlook along with an update on some of our strategic priorities.

During today’s call, we may reference to non-GAAP metrics such as adjusted earnings per share. You can find a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP metrics within the schedules attached to this morning’s press release. I want to remind everyone that any forward-looking statements made during this call are subject to risks and uncertainties, the most important of which are described in our press release and SEC filings.

Now, I’ll turn the call over to Tod Carpenter. Tod?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

Thank you, Brad. Good morning, everyone. We are pleased to have delivered another solid quarter for both sales and EPS, which grew 15% and 18% respectively. We also saw year-over-year pressure on margin moderate to 10 basis points last quarter, and we were up 210 basis points from the prior quarter.

The strong sequential improvement was driven by both gross margins and expense control, but pressure on gross margin remains. We continue to face price inflation for steel and media, our two largest inputs. Mix of sales was also a headwind as demand for new equipment outpaces the replacement parts. In addition to those factors, we are still adjusting our supply chain to accommodate the strong demand. We are committed to maintaining our position as a valued supplier, so we are choosing to make this customer centric investments.

While we have made some progress on addressing these pressures, our work is not finished. Last quarter, we further focused our expense investments and we initiated price increases for products around the world. While it’s still early, we are seeing positive traction from these efforts, and we continue to pursue initiatives that drive incremental margin.

Scott will provide more details later in the call, so I will now turn to an overview of our third quarter sales performance. Total sales grew 15% last quarter or 9% when you exclude the benefit from currency. We saw solid gains in both our engine products and industrial product segments, led by first-fit sales and complemented by continued strength in the sales of replacement parts.

In engine, total sales increased 16%, driven in part by another quarter of sharp growth in both the on and off-road first-fit businesses. Sales in on-road grew 46%, driven primarily by growth in the U.S. and China. Continued strength in heavy-duty truck production is driving the U.S., and growth in China is primarily from new program wins. The wins in China are incremental to Donaldson, and signal the evolving needs of local OEs. We are encouraged by the ongoing customer shift towards higher technology products, and we believe we are well positioned to capture this emerging opportunity in China’s massive market.

Strong market conditions and program wins are also driving sales of off-road products, which were up 30% last quarter. We saw strength across all end markets and all geographies, and programming wins within our advanced fuel filtration solutions are adding to our growth. Given those past wins, we believe that sales in off-road still have runway.

Past program wins also provide ongoing benefits to the aftermarket business, sales grew 13% last quarter, including a benefit of about 3% from the Hy-Pro acquisition and a modest headwind in Europe due to the timing of orders for a large OE. As expected, the pace of growth in aftermarket is leveling off, but market conditions remain favorable for these products. We just booked our ninth quarter in a row of increasing sales in both the OE and independent channels.

We remain very pleased with performance of our innovative fuel, hydraulic and air applications. Sales of these innovative replacement filters had a combined increase of about 20%, including growth the mid-teens for PowerCore. After more than 15 years in production, sales of PowerCore replacement filters continued to significantly outpace the rate of growth for legacy air products, further validating our razor to sell razor blade strategy. The independent channel was strongest in regions that are more exposed to energy markets, including the U.S. where oil and gas activity is increasing and Australia with mining.

Closing out the engine segment, third quarter sales of aerospace and defense were down 11%. We had declines across the business due in part to order timing within the defense business. Our industrial segment sales were strong across the board last quarter, helped in part by currency. Total sales were up 12% or 5% excluding the impact from FX. Given that a couple of our industrial segment businesses were down in local currency, I will use local currency measure to discuss results for this segment.

Sales in our Industrial Filtration Solution business, or IFS, were up 11%. Sales of new equipment grew the fastest with revenue up in the low teens as market conditions improve. We also had another strong quarter from growth in sales of our IFS replacement parts, which were up in the high single-digits. Benefits from expanding and refining the most successful elements of our sales model are creating more traction for IFS replacement parts. Also within IFS, we are driving growth with new product offerings that further penetrate adjacent markets, including our LifeTec filters for food and beverage.

Sales in the Gas Turbine Systems, or GTS, declined modestly in local currency. The third quarter performance was better than expected, driven primarily by project timing. Market conditions for large turbine projects remain under extreme pressures, so third quarter results are simply reflecting the inherent lumpiness of the business. However, we remain pleased by the performance of replacement parts. Sales have been strong this year as we continue to amplify our focus on these products versus chasing low margin large turbine projects.

Sales in Special Applications were down 5% in local currency, including a modest decline in disc drive and mid single-digit growth in sales of venting solutions. The disc drive business is still benefiting from unique market conditions. The secular pressure on hard disc drives is being largely offset by increasing demand for cloud storage, and other near-line capacity needs. We are leveraging our strong customer relationships and product offering to capture benefits during this period of temporary market strength.

Overall, we are pleased with our Company’s performance last quarter. Evidence of how our strategy is working can be found in both segments giving us confidence that we are heading in the right direction. I will talk about our plans to support future growth in a few minutes. But first, Scott, will provide an update on our key financial metrics and forecast. Scott?

[Scott Robinson, Chief Financial Officer]

Thanks, Tod. Good morning, everyone. Third quarter sales grew 15% to $700 million, including 6% from currency translation and about 1% from Hy-Pro. EPS was $0.53 in the quarter, up 18% from last year. As projected, we delivered strong sequential improvement in sales, operating margin and EPS. Sales were up 5%, operating margins grew 210 basis points, and adjusted EPS was up 23% from second quarter. We have a favorable view of the sequential sales increase and associated profit metrics as it indicates typical seasonality in our business.

Digging into profit, third quarter operating margin was 14.4% compared with 14.5% a year ago, reflecting a gross margin decline of 60 basis points that was mostly offset by expense leverage. Inflation is still the largest pressure on gross margin. Roughly two-thirds of the 60 basis decline was attributable to higher raw material and supply chain costs.

In addition to the price increases we implemented in January, we raised prices another floor to 15% last quarter to offset some of the pressure. It’s too soon to quantify the total impact, but benefits from our recent actions will begin rolling through by the end of the fiscal year. Mix was also a headwind last quarter, but it was much more pronounced in engines given the relative strength of the OE businesses.

Expense leverage offset a large portion of the gross margin decline. As a rate of sales, expenses dropped from 20.2% last year to 19.8% this year, which is one of our lowest quarterly rates since our prior sales peak in fiscal '12. The expense rate was helped in part by additional cost cutting measures, which targeted discretionary spending categories. Our employees are rallying around this initiative, and we are encouraged by the global commitment to improving our margins.

At the same time, we are investing back into the Company. We are growing our sales team to support new products, especially in the industrial segment. Additionally, we increased R&D expense by 10% last quarter as we further strengthen our technical capabilities. I also want to quickly touch on the corporate and unallocated bucket, which includes a handful of items like interest expense, gain or loss on FX, and certain corporate overhead items. It's prone to variability, so I want to point out that our current year-to-date corporate results are essentially flat after showing favorability last quarter.

Moving on, our tax rate increased 70 basis points to 29.4%. Benefits from the U.S. rate reduction and stock-option accounting were more than offset by the mix of earnings and reformulated charges. The timing of our fiscal year end makes 2018 a transition year, so there are a lot of puts and takes in our effective rate. Overall, we continue to view tax reform as positive for Donaldson. Our long-term effective rate will drop about 2% on average to somewhere between 24% and 28%.

Another benefit is the increased flexibility in accessing our optimizing global cash, which will support our long-standing capital deployment priorities. Investing back into the business is our top priority. Last quarter, we made capital expenditures of $27 million well above last year, and largely focused on new capacity to support revenue growth. We also made discretionary contributions of $35 million to our U.S. pension plans last quarter, allowing us to take advantage of higher U.S. tax rate during our transition year.

Returning cash to shareholders is our other priority. And last quarter, we returned $68 million through dividends and share repurchase. We have paid a cash dividend every quarter for the past 62 years, and we have been increasing it annually for more than 20. We are proud of this trend and last week's announcement that we are increasing our dividend by 6% keeps it going.

Maintaining a strong balance sheet is critical to executing these priorities, and we remain in stable position. At the end of Q3, our debt to EBITDA ratio was 1.5 times, or 0.8 times on a net basis. We believe that we are appropriately leveraged, giving us confidence that we are well-positioned to support the current and future business needs. As we close out the quarter, we made some tweaks to our full year guidance. So I'll walk through a few of the highlights.

We remain encouraged by market conditions, so the sales forecast was moved up to the top end of the prior guidance range, which is up 15% last year. Included in the estimates are benefits from currency translation and acquisitions of 3% and 1% respectively. We also push the engine forecast to the upper half of the range provided last quarter. Segment sales are projected to grow 18 to 19% with a forecasted change driven by continued first-fit strength.

On-road is now expected to be up in the high 30% range, and off-road is projected in the low 30s. There was no change to aftermarket, which is forecast up in the mid-teens. And we now expect sales for aerospace and defense to be down in the low single-digits. The industrial segment is projected to grow 8% to 9% this year, up from prior guidance of 5% to 7%. We took forecast up across the segments, but our perspective on those markets is largely unchanged.

IFS is expected to grow in a low double-digit range, and we project a mid single-digit increase for special applications. GTS decline is expected to moderate into mid single-digits. We still expect fiscal ’18 operating margin between 13.8% and 14.2%, including an incremental $10 million for strategic investments. The midpoint of the range imply the fourth quarter rate of around 15%, up 70 basis points from the prior year and up 60 basis points in the third quarter.

We continue to project full year interest expense around $21 million and other income from $1 million to $5 million. Excluding the impact from tax reform charges, we project our full year tax rate will land between 26.7% and 28.7%. We increased our capital expenditure forecast by $10 million, the full year CapEx between $100 million and $110 million. The change is primarily due to capacity investments, including some acceleration to get new capacity online as quickly as possible.

Cash conversion remains in the 60% to 75% range, excluding the impact from tax reform and our pension funding. All together, we now project fiscal ’18 adjusted EPS between $1.97 and $2.01, which is a couple of cents higher when comparing the midpoints of the current to prior ranges. Please also remember that year-to-date charges related to our provisional estimates of the impact from tax reform are negatively affecting GAAP by $0.83.

I also want to share a few things we are contemplating in our fiscal 2019 plan. Please keep in mind that we will provide more details when we release fourth quarter earnings, so our discussion today will be very limited on this topic as we are early in the planning process. In terms of revenue projection, it seems very likely that market conditions remain supportive through at least the first half of our next fiscal year.

We do, however, expect that the pace of growth may moderate in our key end markets so update still look to grow. We also expect that past program wins with innovative products, new product offerings and continued expansion into new and adjacent markets remain additive to overall market conditions. I realized that said, but again, it’s early in our process. We want to emphasize is that we are contemplating this area where revenues go down next year. Similarly, we are not contemplating a scenario where operating margins decline next year.

Our commitment to increasing our level of profitability on increasing sales remains intact, and we are engaging the entire organization in this effort. There are, however, several puts and takes to consider. The first and likely the largest is inflation. While magnitude is uncertain, we expect higher cost to raw materials and transportation. Incremental pricing actions taken this year will help, and we will also generate benefits from our continuous improvement programs and improved analytics from our ERP to drive optimization. To further leverage the ERP, we formed a new financial shared services team with existing employees. This team will harvest benefits from the ERP as a globalized, standardized and optimize our process. I am excited about the contribution they will make to Donaldson in the years ahead.

We will continue making strategic investments in fiscal 2019, including growth in R&D spend and capacity investments. Finally, incentive compensation should be a modest tailwind in ’19 with the annual reset of bonus plans. The net effect from these items is an expected year-over-year improvement in both total and incremental operating margin. As we move through planning process, we are focused on first supporting our customers and then balancing the priorities of meeting demand, investing in the future and managing our costs. I am confident that we are striking the appropriate balance, and believe we are positioning ourselves well for a strong finish to ’18 and positive momentum in ’19.

Now, I’ll turn the call back to Tod. Tod?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

Thanks, Scott. We are on pace to deliver record sales and adjusted EPS in fiscal 2018. Since fiscal 2016, we have added $0.5 billion in sales at a much faster pace than we predicted. While we enjoy the benefits from the sharp acceleration on the top and bottom line, we are also facing margin headwinds from a variety of factors including inflation.

Company-wide engagement in improving our margin is critical to offsetting these pressures, and I am proud of the urgency shown by our employees. Pursuing price increases and expense discipline is standard work for us, so we are executing our plans and continue to make progress. There are, however, aspects of the current demand challenges that bode well for our long-term success. Our ability to demonstrate that we are a top tier supplier during this period of heightened demand only strengthens our decade long relationships with many of the world’s largest OEs.

We view the choice to temporarily sub-optimize our supply chain as an investment in these relationships, and we also view it as necessary to maintain momentum of our strategy to grow the business with new first-fit wins. We’ve been actively planting seeds with new program wins for many years now. As the market turns, we are seeing an outsized benefit from those past wins. And most importantly, we are still winning. Those first-fit wins with innovative products come with the usual start-up expenses like engineering and new tooling, but they create a stream of after-market revenue that extends for many years.

Given the strength in our win rates around the globe, we expect the past, present and future, investments in new programs will create long-term value for all our stakeholders. In addition to our long track record of investing in new programs, we are on pace this year to invest an incremental $10 million of expense and $40 million CapEx in support of several other strategic initiatives. Increased R&D spending and new capacity, are the two primary drivers of incremental spending. We’re making good progress on several key R&D initiatives to deepen our capabilities in existing markets, while gaining further access to adjacent markets. These markets place a high value on technology, so we expect our innovative products will carry above average gross margins.

Current and projected demand for our innovative air and liquid products are driving our capacity needs. We are making investments around the world, including new production lines and square footage. There are several lines that will come online in the next few quarters, and new square footage will be available throughout the next year or so. We are also expanding our distribution capabilities. We recently held the grand opening of our newly expanded distribution facility in Brugge, Belgium and we are upgrading our facility in Rensselaer, Indiana. Both are high volume distribution centers, and these investments give us an opportunity to provide even better support to our customers.

Strengthened distribution capabilities will also support our new e-commerce platform. Our customer transition to the new platform is well underway. To-date, we have recorded $45 million in revenue from 750 customers in 76 countries. We are pleased with the progress so far, and expect the full rollout later this year.

Looking ahead to fiscal ’19, our plans include further investments back into the Company. Like this year, capacity expansion and technology development will top the list. We will also be investing our sales teams to drive growth of innovative products in new and adjacent markets. We will grow our operating profit faster than sales next year. It is likely that inflation will remain a headwind, but our surgical approach to expense planning and efforts related to operational efficiency should more than offset these pressures.

I want to thank our employees around the world for their commitment to our customers and future success. We continue to make great progress on our goal of leading the world in filtration solutions, and I am confident we will have a strong finish to 2018, and are well positioned for success in our next fiscal year and beyond.

Now, I'll turn the call back to Denise to open the line for questions. Denise.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Nathan Jones from Stifel. Your line is open.

[Nathan Jones, Stifel Nicolaus]

I'd like to start on the price increases you guys announced during the quarter. I think the press release said you'd instituted global price increases ranging from 5% to 14% during the quarter. I know you talked about that rolling through by the end of the fiscal year; couple of questions on this. Can you talk about what the expected realization for that 5% to 14% price increase would be? Typically, historically, how much do you get through, how much of those price increases stick? And then can you maybe talk about how the realization of those price increases rollout. I don't imagine you put out a press release saying you're raising 5% to 14%, and prices will go up the next day. Just how that should roll through the model as we go forward?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

So first, when we announced the price increases, what happens in the independent aftermarket, contractually, we have 90 days before those prices take effect. So we have about one quarter ahead of us. So, therefore -- and that's the shortest cycle where we can get effectiveness. So, therefore, in our third quarter results, we do not have any pricing benefits. We have baked into our fourth quarter outlook the beginning of some of those pricing benefits, but that's in our aftermarket opportunity.

So on the OE side, it's usually over a multiple quarter type of implementation as we work across the world, and implement really on a selective basis at the OE sector. As far as how much sticks, so it's usually different in each case. We are clearly off the normal cycle of implementing price increases. So, therefore, we're not really prepared to talk about how much we would expect all of that to hold. We'll be better informed here in about 90 days, and we’ll bake that all that into next year’s guidance.

[Nathan Jones, Stifel Nicolaus]

That certainly helps on the rollout there. Can you comment maybe on historically how much of those price increases stick or you just don’t want to get into that here?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

We really don’t want to get into that at this point, because this one is off cycle. It’s really a bit dicey to try to link it back to previous behaviors.

[Nathan Jones, Stifel Nicolaus]

Okay, I understand. And have competitors responded with price increases of their own and is the market behaving rationally here. Are you out on an island with these price increases, any commentary on how the market is reacting to this?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

It’s still early and again, market still -- rationally, we have had some competitors go out with activity. We’re still waiting and keeping our ear to the ground to better understand that.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Charley Brady from SunTrust Robinson. Your line is open.

[Charley Brady, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey]

Tod, just on your commentary about the margin outlook in 2019 without going too deep, obviously, into guidance for 2019 I’m just wondering what incremental are you kind of assuming as you go into there? Because it seems like you’ve got a lot of headwinds but you’re expecting still growing it [indiscernible] profit faster than sales, and that’s on a pretty tough sales comp, obviously, going into fiscal 2019. So just trying to get a sense of how you’re overcoming that beyond just pricing that’s going to work its way through over the next 12 months or so. And how much of that you get from operating efficiency and just trying to gauge your level of confidence I guess to see those margins go up year-on-year?

[Scott Robinson, Chief Financial Officer]

So as I said, we’re working through our planning process, right now. If you look at our new guidance, you can see that our incrementals are improving in the fourth quarter. As Tod mentioned, we have implemented price increases. We are working very hard on our expense budgets for next year. And we set targets for ourselves, and we remain committed to the concept of increasing levels of profitability on increasing sales. And when we look at what we sit and the continuous improvements that we have and where we are in our planning process, we think we can offset the headwinds that we face next year, and are committed to doing so both with continuous improvements with discretionary expense management and with price increases.

[Charley Brady, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey]

And just on the aerospace defense business, you talked about the mix of timing on some orders there. Can you just expand on that a little bit, would those hit in Q4 or does that go into fiscal 2019?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

They do not repeat in Q4. It’s really a Q3 phenomenon. It’s related to ground based vehicles, whereby we have lumpy demand from U.S. allies on retrofit kits for the ground based vehicles segment. And so we had a large order come through last year and therefore get to tough comps and that’s the primary driver.

[Charley Brady, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey]

So it’s not orders you expected to hit in Q3 a push, it’s a question of year-over-year comparison?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

Right.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Brian Drab with William Blair. Your line is open.

[Brian Drab, William Blair]

Congrats on a continuation of a great year. And I think this is the first time in a decade I’ve asked you on a call about the share count. But looks like it ticked up sequentially about 1.3 million shares. I am just wondering, is this just the timing of options and buyback? And directionally, should we start to see it tick down in the fourth quarter and then in ’19 again?

[Scott Robinson, Chief Financial Officer]

We continue with our share buyback program. The timing fluctuates year-to-year quarter-to-quarter. I am looking at our income statement here and our diluted share count is 131.9 million, down from 134.1 million last year. So we’re down year-over-year. You get some quarterly fluctuations and you also have to factor in the dilutive impact of the stock prices, the stock price rises less shares become anti-dilutive and that increases the share count.

[Brian Drab, William Blair]

And then for fiscal ’19, are you expecting the typical seasonality where of course down sequentially in the first quarter, relatively soft in the second quarter, and then strong in the second half, or just the strength of the end markets and just the tailwinds that you’re enjoying disrupt some of that typical seasonality in fiscal ’19?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

We’re going to come out with guidance here on the next call. It’s a little bit early to try to parcel that down to that level of specificity. But I would suggest that across our customer base, as you continue to look at the on-road and the off-road people, in particular, they would suggest that we’ll have momentum going throughout the balance of this calendar year.

[Brian Drab, William Blair]

And then did you comment on China on this call. Could you comment on percent of sales in the quarter from China and the trends there and outlook?

[Brad Pogalz, Director of Investor Relations]

The specifics around the question, the total sales in China, grew to about 8% of total Donaldson revenue in third quarter versus roughly 7% last year. The more exciting change in on-road is that China as a percent of on-road sales jumped up to about 16% versus about 4% last year. So clearly the wins are taking hold and we see that in the performance. For the quarter, China was up more than 40%.

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

And just to add a little bit Brian on driver of that. So we continue to get in-roads to what was traditionally a very low share for Donaldson Company and the on-road market in China. And China is now seeing a technology shift. And so we are actually winning programs, for example, with PowerCore in China and it’s very exciting time for us.

[Brian Drab, William Blair]

And Brad said China was up 40% in the third quarter. Is that I heard?

[Brad Pogalz, Director of Investor Relations]

Total China with on-road going up something like 5 times what it was last year.

[Brian Drab, William Blair]

And then any thoughts on M&A to -- closing any transactions in the next couple of quarters?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

Clearly, we don’t comment on speculative deals or a question of that kind. I would suggest that our M&A outlook and strategy and approach to it has not changed from our prior quarters.

[Brian Drab, William Blair]

I wasn’t looking for the names of the companies, Tod.

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

Yes, but I’m also not going to signal to anyone if we have any activity going on, right?

[Brian Drab, William Blair]

Yes. All right, alright. Thanks a lot.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from George Godfrey with CL King. Your line is open.

[George Godfrey, CL King and Associates]

I wanted to ask about the organic growth rate baked into your assumption Q4 in '18. It looks like based on total revenue growth of 15% for the full year, that implies 9% growth for the Q4. What are you assuming for currency, acquisitions or just organic growth?

[Brad Pogalz, Director of Investor Relations]

The FX is 3% and the acquisitions are 1%. That's for the full year.

[George Godfrey, CL King and Associates]

So I saw it on the press release for the full year its 3 and 1. Do you have -- what are the assumptions for just for Q4?

[Brad Pogalz, Director of Investor Relations]

There's incremental benefit from acquisitions. We lapped Hy-Pro, which we acquired right at the beginning of fourth quarter last year. And then FX will moderate to get to the 3% for the full year.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Lawrence Alexander with Jefferies. Your line is open.

[Unidentified Analyst]

It's actually Dan on for Lawrence. How are you?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

Good.

[Unidentified Analyst]

You mentioned that the technology shift in China that’s leading to on-road sales. I assume that can be attributed just to the environmental push that’s going -- that's occurring across the board in the country, and it should likely continue for multi-years. Is that accurate or is that being fair?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

You're speaking in regards to the technology, the new technology requirements in China?

[Unidentified Analyst]

Yes.

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

So first you have to factor in the fact that we have very low share in China, especially for our new technology-based products. And so we are very excited about the fact that we are winning at China, Chinese based national companies, more than just the multinational type of corporations that we've enjoyed business with in the past, and we're winning with technology. And so when we win a platform in China with the Chinese national based companies, we look for that to have recurring revenue over many years.

[Unidentified Analyst]

And then you mentioned in the prepared comments that there were some capacity additions to meet the growth initiatives and some of the revenue that is expected. How are you set with when it comes to capacity utilization what's expected for the next few years? Is it going to another capacity ramp that's needed to now until the end of the decade? Or are you where you think you are, I was just wondering if you can provide some color on that?

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

When we announced our Poland expansion last quarter, we had also said that we were pulling that expansion in roughly by two years. We continue to look at our capacity utilization. At this point, I would suggest to you that our air-based capacities are roughly in the 80% to 90% range. Our liquid based capacities are 90% or more, and we are addressing that with additional lines of square footage. And then across our industrial base sector, our capacities are probably in the 70% to 75% range. Although, we are addressing some efficiencies with additional square footage and line optimization across industrial.

That's where we sit today. It's the reason why we talk about -- we'll bring on additional capacity here in the next year with a major influx of liquidability here within the next two quarters or so. And we continue to look at our current three to five year capacity plan, and we'll talk about further capacity expansions as we guide into 2019 and finalize our capital use.

[Unidentified Analyst]

And then final question, you mentioned that you had $45 million in revenue from your e-commerce, new e-commerce platform and then a full rollout is expected by I think it was later in the year. I was just wondering if you could quantify or just provide with what a full rollout would entail and what it means in terms of revenue.

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

So Dan, what we’re looking at $45 million, you have to look to both segments, so we’d use that particular investment very differently. On the engine side, which is most of that $45 million worth of revenue, it’s looking for the efficiency of that tool globally. So we had a previous e-com in a couple of regions. We are now replacing that with a modernized e-com, and we’re taking our distribution partners through that e-com. Therefore, that’s really more of an efficiency gain rather than a direct-to-end user type of a model.

When you roll over to the industry side, it’s actually both. It’s a bit of efficiency gain. They’ve never had e-commerce on that side of the company. They now have it. We are putting the distributors on that, slowly bringing them up for the first time, so that’s the efficiency gain. But we will also open that depending upon the business direct-to-end user and therefore, we look for that to be able to give us a revenue bump.

[Unidentified Analyst]

All right, thank you very much.

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

As far as total usage, we’ll get into that after the full rollout. And we’ll try to give you some projection of what kind of revenue will go through that here in the quarters ahead.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

[Operator]

There are no further questions. At this time, I will turn the call back over to Tod Carpenter.

[Tod Carpenter, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

That concludes today’s call. I want to thank everyone listening for their time and interest in Donaldson. Thanks again. Good bye.

[Operator]

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.