Blackstone Mortgage Trust Inc

NYSE:BXMT

Earnings Call Transcript 2021-Q3

[Operator]

Good day, everyone. And welcome to the Blackstone Mortgage Trust's 3rd Quarter 2021 Investor Call hosted by Weston Tucker, head of shareholder relations. My name is Leslie and I'm the event manager. During the presentation, your lines will remain on listen-only. [Operator Instructions]. [Operator's Instruction]. And now I would like to hand you over to your host for today Weston, please go ahead.

[Weston Tucker, Head of shareholder relations]

Great. Thanks, Leslie, and good morning and welcome to Blackstone Mortgage Trust's third quarter conference call. I'm joined today by Mike Nash, Executive Chairman, Katy Keenan, Chief Executive Officer, Jonathan Pollack, Global Head of Real Estate, Debt Strategies. Tony Marone, Chief Financial Officer, and Doug Armer, Executive Vice President, Capital Markets. This morning we filed our 10-Q and issued a press release for the presentation of our results, which are available on our website and have been filed with the SEC. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call may include forward-looking statements which are uncertain and outside of the Company's control. Actual results may differ materially.

For a discussion of some of the risks that could affect results, please see the risk factor section of our most recent 10-K. We do not undertake any duty to update forward-looking statements. We will also refer to certain non-GAAP measures on this call and for reconciliations, you should refer to the press release and our 10-Q. This audio cast is copyrighted material of Blackstone Mortgage Trust and may not be duplicated without our consent.

For the third quarter, we reported GAAP net income per share of $0.56, while distributable earnings were $0.63 per share. A few weeks ago, we paid a dividend of $0.62 per share with respect to the Third Quarter. If you have any questions following today's call, please let me know. And with that, I will now turn things over to [Indiscernible].

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Thanks Weston. In the first quarter of this year, we highlighted emerging portfolio growth as a leading indicator for earnings growth and we saw the momentum building in the pace of our origination. Today, it's clear that we have delivered. This quarter, we originated a record $4.7 billion of new loans, bringing us to 8.6 billion here today, solidly on pace with our long-term upward trajectory. Our strong investment activity drove 3.8 billion of net portfolio growth for the year thus far, taking our portfolio to a record $22 billion. And as our deployment has increased, the earnings power of our business is accelerating.

We generated distributable earnings of $0.63 per share in the third quarter, more than covering our long-standing dividends. Our performance this year is reflective of the core advantages that continue to differentiate BXMT. Deep established relationships were the largest sponsors in the market mean that as they become more active, we have more opportunities to find our target investments. Low leverage first mortgage loans on institutional assets. It's a virtuous cycle. The more we participate in the market, the more sponsors experience the advantages of borrowing from BXMT.

The more activity we see going forward, further growing our pipeline. We're landing in more markets across the U.S., Europe and Australia, and continually build upon our deep local knowledge and sponsor relationships within each region. And our scale and expertise allow us to be a single-source solution for top-tier global sponsors. Bringing the same creative, innovative, and knowledgeable approach that BXMT is known for are all over the world. This quarter, we closed three loans with Brookfield on assets in New York, Spain, and across Europe, three with Morgan Stanley across multiple U.S. markets and new transactions with Tishman Speyer, Schottenstein, Rock Point, and Northwest.

All repeat borrowers many times over. And for first-time borrowers, they are experienced with us both at the origination stage and over the life of the loans, often turns them into core repeat relationships. This quarter, we closed nine loans with borrowers that were new to us earlier this year who are now making us their lender of choice as they ramp up activity. And our pipeline of compelling lending opportunities continues to build. Today, we have over $4 billion of additional loans closed or in closing post-quarter-end, supporting continued portfolio growth as we look ahead.

Given our productivity this year, post COVID originations represented 31% of the portfolio at quarter-end, overlaying a significant component of newer vintage originations a top our stable pre -COVID base. We continue to find strong credit opportunities in our tried and true sectors and markets. And within these areas, we've further accelerated activity in segments where we see the strongest growth in today's economy. Multi - familyMulti -family represented 54% of our Third Quarter originations. Market fundamentals and [Indiscernible] sector continue to shine. Strong [Indiscernible] demand led to nationwide occupancy of 97% and year-over-year rent growth of over 10% in the third quarter. Sunbelt Markets were in-migration is driving rents and absorption across sectors were nearly 40% of our originations this quarter.

As a result of this robust activity, our multi-family investments have nearly doubled from 10% of the portfolio at the end of 2020 to 20% today. And our Sunbelt presence has increased from 19% to 25% over the same period. As always, we're sticking to our core credit principles, including never reaching for yield. Our originations this year have averaged 66% LTV in line with our overall portfolio and our long-term strategy. Our new loans this quarter exemplify our disciplined credit criteria targeting low leverage loans to top quality assets and sponsors in strong markets. In July, we closed $500 million, 58% LTV loan to a premier global sponsor on a new construction apartment project in Brooklyn, part of the Affordable Housing New York programs.

Our unique access to information drove our investment this year, and allowed us to act with confidence while others remained uncertain. We began underwriting the loan in February, when New York City was just emerging from the depths of COVID second waves. Inventory was elevated and concessions were widespread. But with a portfolio of over 10,000 units in the city across our platform, we saw leading indicators of leasing activity reemerging, concessions beginning to influx, and demand building. Ultimately, New York had its strongest summer of leasing in over a decade. Performance we saw reflected across our portfolio of city multi-family assets and which proved out our thesis on this high-quality lending opportunities.

Multifamily has been a consistent area of expansion for us this year as we continue to see strengthening fundamentals across the country. We closed 24 multi-family loans this quarter, $2.6 billion, including 600 million in Texas, 200 million in South Florida, and another 500 million elsewhere in the Sunbelt. And we continue to see a steady stream of compelling opportunities to lend on stable cash flowing assets with upside in today's rent growth environment. We've established a differentiated process for multi-family flow business where we provide certainty and ease of execution to active top quality borrowers and see them come back to us again and again.

In a sector where transaction volumes are up 50% over 2019 levels, this efficiency matters. Our sponsors can focus on closing and executing their business plans, knowing they'll have reliable, consistent performance on the financing side. Elsewhere in the portfolio, we continue to be focused on newer vintage, high-quality office. Well amenitized buildings that foster culture, talent retention, and ingenuity. These buildings are particularly appealing to tenants who are growing, like creative tech-based companies, content generators, life science firms. And they are outperforming in today's leasing markets. This quarter, we closed a $312 million loan on a portfolio of recently completed Lead Silver office, adjacent to the new metro line in Northern Virginia. It's a market driven by technology, information, and digital infrastructure, one of our highest conviction investments theme.

Our collateral assets are 84% leased on a long-term basis to an institutional rent roll, including Google, ICF, and Neustar, data-driven knowledge economy tenants who need a workplace environment that supports connectivity and innovation. Our asset selection overtime continues to be validated by the performance of our portfolio. This quarter we saw additional positive credit migration building on the year-long trends. Occupancies of our collateral continue to rise across asset classes. For example, our New York City multi-family collateral assets are currently 88% occupied, up 30 points from one year ago.

We counted over 1 million square feet of leasing in our office assets this quarter, and our hotel portfolio continues to improve with the majority of our assets now, covering Debt Service and several exceeding 2019 rep par levels. While we're mindful of broader economic impacts of inflation for our portfolio, it translates to rent and NOI growth further supporting the low basis and insulated credit position we have in our loans. The scale and growth of our portfolio allows us to continue the innovation and sophisticated execution that is the hallmark of our balance sheet strategy.

We have consistently achieved best-in-class terms across both our corporate and asset level financing reflective of the quality of our track record, investments and Blackstone management. Last month, we issued our first secured bonds of 400 million dollar transaction that adds favorably priced and structured corporate capital to our already well diversified balance sheet. Along with the debt capital rates this quarter, we also funded our growth with an equity issuance that was meaningfully accretive to book value per share. Over the last year, we have tapped the full array of corporate and asset back to capital markets for our business. Term Loan Bond, CLO, credit facility and premium equity, and our ready access across these diverse sources ensures that we can be opportunistic with achieving the best structure and cost of capital for our Company.

Our performance this quarter and throughout the year continues to underscore the stability and strength of our business model. We're growing, capitalizing on the ever-expanding reach of the Blackstone Real estate platform and generating strong lending opportunities in our highest conviction asset classes. Our portfolio is performing with excellent credit metrics and continued business plan progress. We're innovating with new sources of Accretive Capital. We are driving earnings growth, supporting the attractive cash dividend we have held consistent through the COVID period. And we see great prospects for continued momentum to come. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Tony.

[Anthony Marone, Chief Financial Officer]

Thank you, Katy, and good morning, everyone. This quarter's results illustrate the positive dynamics of our business in 2021 as BXMT deployed capital into new loans, driving increased earnings as our portfolio grows. Distributable earnings increased to $0.63 per share from $0.61 last quarter, exceeding our quarterly $0.62 dividend paid earlier this month. Growth in earnings this quarter is a direct result of the strong origination pace Katy highlighted earlier and does not reflect any material pre -payment income or non-recurring items. The tailwind from loans closed in the latter part of the third quarter will further support our near-term earnings trajectory.

In the third quarter, we originated $4.7 billion of loans across 38 transactions, driving our total portfolio to a record $22 billion, an increase of 15% for the quarter. This portfolio growth has net of $886 million of repayments, reflecting a return to more typical market conditions as our borrowers complete their repositioning plans and either sell or refinance assets. These dynamics bring the proportion of our portfolio originated since 3Q 2020, the first quarter following the trough of the pandemic to 31% providing greater potential to earn prepayment income on these newer vintage loans in future quarters similar to our experience in 2019 and prior.

Apart from our active origination pace, the third quarter reflected another period of stable credit metrics in our portfolio. We upgraded the risk rating on 10 loans with only one downgrade and no changes to our four rated watchlist loans. Overall, our weighted average risk rating of 2.8 declined from 2.9 last quarter, reflecting the continued fundamental strength of our portfolio. These rating upgrades, among other factors, contributed to a 4 basis point reduction in our general [Indiscernible] reserve to 27 basis points equal to $0.42 per share book value.

We continue to receive 100% of interest due, with virtually no interest for all, and no changes to our non-accrual or nonperforming loans. Our weighted average origination LTV of 65% has remained consistent over the last year, and reflects the significant equity capital our borrowers have invested subordinate to our loans. We had an active quarter on the right-hand side of the Balance Sheet, and continued to benefit from attractive executions of our asset level financing. This quarter, over 2/3 of our $2.8 billion of asset financing priced at the L plus 125 to 150 range, reflecting the premium credit profile of our loans, the strength of our Balance Sheet, and our deep relationships with credit providers.

In addition, we priced our debut $400 million senior bond offering in September, which closed shortly after quarter-end. The transaction price at a fixed 3.75% for five-years with no [Indiscernible]. Very attractive the level of lock-in ahead of what will likely be a period of rising interest rates. Lastly, we issued 10 million new shares of premium equity this quarter, raising $312 million and adding $0.25 to book value. We closed the quarter with liquidity of $1.1 million, including the bond proceeds received in early October, and a debt-to-equity ratio of only 3.1 times. We look forward to closing our $4 billion loan pipeline, which will continue to increase our earnings power as we focus as always, on discrete credit selection, maintaining the strength of our balance sheet, and delivering consistent, compelling returns to our stockholders. Thank you for your support. And with that, I will ask the operator to open the call for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. And thank you, everyone. Your question-and-answer session will now begin. [Operator Instructions]. [Operator Instruction]. If you could just ask a question plus a follow-up question if you have any further questions, you could just dial back in. Thank you. The first question comes from Tim Hayes from BTIG. You're live in the call Tim, please go ahead.

[Timothy Hayes, BTIG]

Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on a nice quarter. First question here. Just about the all-in yields on the portfolio. You were at a very strong quarter from an origination standpoint, but only saw a modest degradation in the all-in yield. While also focusing on more defensive assets, multi-family Sunbelt, where I would expect competition is a little bit more intense than other parts of the market. So can you touch on -- and I think you did touch on it a little bit in terms of the power of the broader Blackstone platform and being able to be a consistent, efficient capital provider.

But maybe if there's any more -- anything more to that, like how you're able to sustain these all-in yields. Are you focusing on heavier transitional assets now? Have we seen construction pick up a little bit or is that what you are getting a little bit of spread any comments around that would be helpful.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Sure, thanks Tim. I think your point is exactly right in that we've seen real consistency in the yields in our portfolio, including as we expand into multi-family stand off. And I think it really does get you exactly as you pointed out. The differentiation in terms of our origination efforts scale larger loans, deep relationships with our counter parties, the ability to provide speed and certainty and move quickly, leveraging all the information we have within our platform. That really allows us to continue finding what we see as compelling lending opportunities.

I wouldn't read too much into any individual quarter, but I think if you look over time, including this quarter, the yields have really been very consistent as of our LTV s. And I think that just speaks to our ability to find the compelling lending opportunities that are a good fit for our portfolio.

[Timothy Hayes, BTIG]

Okay, got it. So it doesn't sound like any real change in strategy or at least more concentrated focus on different asset types that might get you a little bit more spread there.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

No, I mean, to your point, if anything, 54% of our originations this quarter were multi-family so it really is very consistent theme.

[Timothy Hayes, BTIG]

Got it. And then just my follow-up there. I know you mentioned some comments about the forward pipeline. It sounds like obviously you have a lot of activity going on still in the fourth-quarter, and I know repayments are lumpy and not always easy to predict, but I would say broadly across the sector, we're seeing repayments pick up. This past quarter was certainly a step back from what you saw in the second quarter. But just curious what your outlook is for repayments in the near/intermediate term, if you think that you might see some elevated activity there and if that might be a source of prepayment income for you guys over the next couple quarters. Thanks.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Sure. Yeah. I do think we'll see a return to a normalized level of prepayments or repayments because it is all correlated with the activity in the capital markets. So I think that's certainly a possibility. The other thing to think about though is the pace of prepayments is really more correlated with where our portfolio was 2, 3 years ago versus the size of the portfolio today. So I think as you think about the relative origination versus repayment, it's important to think about that, but certainly the prospects for early prepayments, acceleration of income as our portfolio gets newer as the capital markets are reopening, we think that a return to more normalized levels that will make sense.

[Timothy Hayes, BTIG]

Got it. Thanks, Katy.

[Operator]

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Steven Louis from Raymond James. You're live in the call Steven, please go ahead.

[Stephen Laws, Raymond James]

All right. Thank you. Good morning. Katy, to follow-up, I guess, on the pipeline looks like for a couple of years we're running a portfolio of around a 125 loans, we're up over 150 now, none of the new originations seem to have made the top 15 table. Can you talk about that pipeline? Is it more loans and smaller loans than what we've historically seen? And does that move you really out of the top 5 MSAs? Can you talk about whether the pipeline continues to have larger software that's focuses Sunbelt obviously, and small loans and smaller in size?

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

It's a great question. I think the way I think about the activity and our pipeline, is we're still targeting the same types of loans we've always targeted, but we've also overlaid increased activity in multi-family and in some of the smaller growth market. I think you'll still see us pursuing those great large-scale opportunities. We have very strong sponsors, a lot of cash equity where we can differentiate in terms of scale.

That's always been a great area of activity for us, and we really like that opportunity. But we're also overlaying more activity, particularly in multi-family, where the deals tend to be potentially a little bit smaller. I think our average multi-family side this quarter was around 100 million, so we're not talking about substantial difference in terms of our long-term average. But we are overlaying more activity in that multi-family space.

[Stephen Laws, Raymond James]

And then on the origination side, I appreciate the chart in the supplement that really shows a trailing 12 months annual origination number. And if you look back out COVID seems like 8 to 9 billion a year is a normalized run rate. Is that how we should think about growth from here? Is that number going to get bigger as you expand this focus? Can you talk about what we should think about as far as an annual origination expectation.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Yeah. I think we've seen over and over for the year shared growth in our business and across the Blackstone real estate platform create a virtuous cycle. And we're growing all over our business. We're increasingly sophisticated data, a larger market presence, and we've grown our origination team as well to address the pipeline that we're generating from that larger scale by over 40% in the last 2 years. So I think it's certainly possible that we'll continue to see the long-term trajectory, and we've really grown the portfolio every year in the history of the Company. So I think that long term trajectory is clear and we had expect to see it continue.

[Stephen Laws, Raymond James]

Great. Thanks for your time this morning.

[Operator]

Thank you. Your next question comes from Rick Shane from JPM. Please go ahead, Rick, you're live in the call.

[Richard Shane, JPM]

Thanks, everybody for taking my questions this morning. I'm curious as we look forward, how to think about the floors, and one of the things that stands out is that, disproportionately, your non-U.S. dollar denominated loans have a much higher percentage of 0 floors or no floors on them. I'm curious if that is a timing issue as a function of when that portfolio was created, is it a function of local practice, or is there something embedded in your currency hedges to, basically a structurally provide effectively a floor that we're just not seeing in terms of the way things are disclosed?

[Douglas Armer, Executive Vice President, Capital Markets]

Hey, Rick, it's Doug. I'll take that one. I think the answer is both actually in short. So the 0 floors in the European portfolio are really a function of where rates have been in Europe and also in the U.K. over the preceding several years when those loans were originated. Rates never increased on the continent in particular the way they did in the U.S. But you're onto something in referencing the hedging strategy. With the rolling forward contract strategy that we do, we essentially swap Eurobor or Sterling LIBOR for US dollar LIBOR. And so that provides a very substantial hedge to the floor income in our U.S. dollar portfolio because it essentially represents a non-floor component of our capital structure that is exposed to U.S. dollar LIBOR.

[Richard Shane, JPM]

Got it. Okay. That actually makes a great deal of sense. It's really helpful just because -- in the context of things, the distribution seemed a little bit odd just trying to understand how to think about that going forward. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Your next question comes from Donald Fandetti from Wells Fargo. You're live in the call Don, please go ahead.

[Donald Fandetti, Wells Fargo]

Hi. Good morning, Katy, could you talk a little bit about New York office and what your view is? And then also provide an update on how RevPAR and occupancy are trending in your hotel portfolio.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Sure, so I think our view on New York office remains very consistent with what we've been saying over the last year, which is that the out-performance from a leasing activity perspective, from a capital markets perspective, that we're seeing in the high-quality, newer vintage well - amenitized office buildings that we've always been focused on. That really continues. I think there has been a couple of great examples of that over the last couple of quarters. Obviously, Google's acquisition of the St. John's terminal being the most highly published one. But we're really seeing it across the market, whether it's Hudson Yards or New York Grand Central, the newer quality buildings continue to attract really great tenant demand.

And we're seeing that in the numbers, tenant activity in the market, leasing activity, it's all bouncing back. And again, really concentrated in those high-quality buildings, we continue to see the bifurcation that we've identified. I think on the occupancy and RevPAR side, again, continued progress there. I mentioned in the call we're seeing really good coverage across our portfolio. Resorts continue to significantly outperform, select service has been very stable. The urban hotel side is going to take a little bit longer, but I do think the reopening of international travel in November will be a plus for that part of the market.

[Donald Fandetti, Wells Fargo]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Your next question comes from Jade Rahmani from KBW. You're live in the call Jade, please go ahead.

[Jade Rahmani, KBW]

Thank you very much. Katy, I was wondering with the strong growth across the portfolio, could you just explain the portfolio management process? How frequent are asset level reviews and what information gets passed upstream to yourselves as well as other members of the management team?

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Absolutely. I think our integrated, really sophisticated asset management process is one of the areas of secret source of our business. We've got a great asset management team. They all sit with us here on the same floor in the same building. We've worked with them a really long time and we go through every loan in the portfolio, every quarter, really looking at individual performance leasing occupancy, what's happening in the short-term, in the long term with our entire BXMT management team and then roll that up to the overall Brad's management team. So it's a very detailed, sophisticated process and it's also quite proactive.

We use those reviews to look at which great loans are doing well that we can try and keep around longer, looking at call protection and thinking about how to maintain the high-quality portfolio. And also really using that to extend all the touch points we have with our borrowers. So we've got a strong relationship with our borrowers on the asset management side as we have on the origination side. And it really keeps the positive dynamics flowing in terms of seeing new lending opportunities.

[Jade Rahmani, KBW]

Thank you. And a follow-up would be in today's environment, how do you make sure you're not lending into an overly frothy market based on current low interest rates above historical valuations and risks to the outlook based on what we're seeing in the supply chain, which I assume will eventually impact commercial real estate construction, as well as inflation in the system.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Sure. Well, I think, really it comes down to information. We own a $400 billion real estate portfolio across the Blackstone platform. We have 50 portfolio companies and they're always every day feeding information into every aspect of the investment process, Europe Blackstone, and I think having that access to information flow really keeps us up to the minute in terms of what we are seeing an individual asset classes and individual markets. So I think it really gives us a big advantage in terms of making sure we're making the right investments. Overlaying that obviously with the low LTV loans we're making strong sponsors, asset classes that we've seen stable performance over time.

All of those areas, I think, help us really mitigate risk, even as the market is changing. I think on the supply chain and construction side, as a lender on existing assets or in the small case as we do construction where we have GMP is in completion guarantee, that really just means less new supply over time. Increasing replacement costs should translate through to increasing value for existing assets. I think as a lender on hard assets in potentially inflationary environment, that's really just going to translate to more value protection and credit support for our loan.

[Jade Rahmani, KBW]

Okay. Thank you very much.

[Operator]

Thank you. Your next question comes from Steven Delaney from JMP Securities. Please go ahead, Steven, you're live in the call.

[Steven Delaney, JMP Securities]

Good morning, everyone. Congrats on your strong results. Katy, as far as this velocity in the commercial real estate markets or this level of activity, how does that impact, in your mind, the expected average life of your new loans? I'm assuming that when you talked about your sponsors, it sounded like a lot of these loans are new acquisitions. So the business plans for your sponsors -- are you still seeing a historical 3 to 4 year average outlook? Just trying to get a sense for the life of these new originations. Thank you very much.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Yeah, that's a great question. I think that the life of our loans tends to be driven by the business plans of our sponsors. More so than what's going on in the capital markets. So it's really, most of our sponsors are employing a bio fixed at solid strategy, much like we have across the business here. And so the life of the loans really are driven by the fixed at part of the business plan. And I don't think that's really changed substantially. We've always had an array of different types of business plans in our portfolio, whether it's a straight lease up strategy, unit renovations, re-branding of an asset, whatever sort of type of transition.

And we've always had a mix of light transition to a little bit more transitional. And I don't think the trend on that has changed substantially. So we did see obviously in a longation in the duration of the portfolio in COVID as the capital markets were quieter, I think there were assets that were ready to be sold just before COVID that obviously hung around a bit longer because of the capital markets. But I think that as the market returns to a more normalized level of what we'll see as a return to a more normalized duration similar to what we were seeing in 18 and 19.

[Steven Delaney, JMP Securities]

Got it. Okay. Thanks. And obviously these heavy originations in 3Q and coming up in 4Q will likely -- the fresh loans likely extend the weighted average expected maturity I would assume. And then you -- just to close my follow-up quickly is the you made positive comment, with respect to RevPAR in the Hospitality Holdings, would you say that applies similarly to your loan 14 and in New York City.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Yes. I think we're seeing positive trends in hotel across the board. And what really differs is the pace or the slope of the recovery. So if you look at New York generally, I think the market occupancy was -- it could've been single-digits at 1.2 years ago and today it's more like.

[Steven Delaney, JMP Securities]

Right.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

-- 60%, 70%. So it's really moved a lot. There's still a lot more to go in a city like New York because the underlying international demand, the corporate demand, that's going to take time to recover. But I think the direction we're seeing across the hotel space is all upward. It's just a question of the slope.

[Steven Delaney, JMP Securities]

Great. Thank you for the comments.

[Operator]

Thank you. And your final question comes from the line of Jade Rahmani from KBW. Please go ahead, Jade, you're live in the call.

[Jade Rahmani, KBW]

Thank you very much. In terms of the repayment outlook, what do you think drove the modest level of repayments in third quarter despite the surge in volumes we're seeing across the sector? And do you expect that to increase going forward? I believe you earlier indicated that is the case.

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

I think it really goes back to when the loans were originated. And when you think about the pace of the repayments, the repayments happen when loans get through their business plans. When you think about the scale of the repayments we've had over the last 3 quarters, and obviously quarters are lumpy as we try and look at it over a little bit of a longer period, and compare that to the size of the portfolio 3 or 4 years ago, it's actually not really -- it's a pretty reasonable number when you think about the weighted average duration of loans.

I think the differential you're seeing in new originations versus repayments, that's really a factor of the growth of the portfolio over time, and I think that's the primary driver. I think we're getting to a pretty normalized pace this year and you will see it continue to track the growth of the portfolio 2 or 3 years ago, which is really the corollary data points to look at.

[Jade Rahmani, KBW]

Thanks. And lastly, a question I get a lot from investors and I know everyone asks you guys this all the time, which is about adding business lines. But from the perspective of liability management, do you think that it's an interesting prospect to add a different business line in order to allow BXMT to eventually be able to issue unsecured debt?

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

I'll start and Doug can add to it. I mean, I think we're always going to be driven first by what we think that that's investment opportunity is for our business. So we're not going to be driven by what we see on the liability side. We really start with, how do we make the best relative value investments and then we think about the best way to capitalize those investments.

[Douglas Armer, Executive Vice President, Capital Markets]

I wouldn't add anything to that. It's all about the investments and then we best capitalize given the investment strategy.

[Jade Rahmani, KBW]

Thank you very much.

[Operator]

Okay, thank you. And now I'd like to hand you back to Weston for closing remarks.

[Weston Tucker, Head of shareholder relations]

Well, thank you. Thanks, everyone for joining us today and look forward to following up after the call.

[Operator]

Thank you, Weston. And thank you for your [Indiscernible]

[Katharine Keenan, Chief Executive Officer]

Good bye.

[Operator]

Thank you, everyone. That concludes your conference call for today. You may now disconnect. Thank you for joining and enjoy the rest of your day.