Allegheny Technologies Inc

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Earnings Call Transcript 2024-Q1

[Operator]

Hello, and welcome to ATI's First Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. My name is Lydia, and I will be your operator today. [Operator Instructions] I'll now hand you over to Dave Weston, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[David Weston, executive]

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to ATI's First Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. Today's discussion is being webcast online at atimaterials.com. Participating in today's call to share key points from our first quarter results are Bob Wetherbee, Co Chair and CEO; Kim Fields, President and COO; and Don Newman, Executive Vice President and CFO.

Before starting our prepared remarks, I would like to draw your attention to the supplemental presentation that accompanies this call. Those slides provide additional color and details on our results and outlook that can also be found on our website at atimaterials.com.

After our prepared remarks, we'll open the line for questions. As a reminder, all forward-looking statements are subject to various assumptions and caveats. These are noted in the earnings release and in the accompanying presentation. Now I'll turn the call over to Bob.

[Robert Wetherbee, executive]

Thanks, Dave. Good morning, everyone. In the first quarter of 2024, our leadership team focused on the things within our control acting with urgency and a forward-looking perspective. The results reported today reflect those efforts. This morning, I'll summarize the 3 key points I want you to take from our performance.

Point number one, Q1 financial results surpassed expectations. We delivered adjusted earnings per share for the quarter of $0.48, exceeding the top end of our estimated range. Revenue was over $1 billion for the seventh consecutive quarter. Our Advanced Alloys & Solutions segment led the WAC, achieving a 14% EBITDA margin in Q1.

This reflects a double-digit sequential growth in the electronics and medical markets and strong A&D sales in Specialty Rolled Products. In addition, our Oregon team delivered an accelerated recovery from January specific Northwest storm-related outages, really was a great performance across the segment.

We expected the High Performance Materials & Components segment to be down in the first quarter given the late year production outages we discussed in our last quarterly call. The good news is those impacts are fully behind us, and the business is leveraging the ramping melt rates and new billet forge press capacity.

Equally important, our Forged Products business unit wrapped up another great quarter, best 2 in a row delivering the highest revenue in their history. All of this sets the stage for strong sequential growth and segment EBITDA margins back above 20% in Q2. Our commitment to managing working capital intensity delivered significant first quarter improvements for free cash flow over the prior year first quarter.

And we fully executed our share repurchase authorization of $150 million, directly showing the benefits of our strong performance with our shareholders. We did what we said we would do and what we needed to do in Q1. Point number two, demand for ATI Aerospace and Defense as well as Aero light products remains robust. While the percentage of A&D sales dipped slightly below 60% in the quarter due to near-term order patterns and the impact of the Q4 outages, the composite of A&D and Air like business remained above 75%.

We're confident sales in the coming quarters will put us back on the trend line to our target of 65% A&D sales. ATI's market position is very broad, significantly more diverse than before the pandemic. We're producing for every commercial airframe and every jet engine program.

The struggles with the 737 MAX and the resulting impact on near-term LEAP-1B engine deliveries are much publicized. The impact on ATI is not meaningful. Any impact is more than offset by demand to support the Geared Turbofan accelerated overhauls, elevated engine spares and increased defense and commercial space activity.

And for clarity, the revised lower 737 MAX and LEAP 1B orders are reflected in our 2024 full year guidance. Our focus is firmly on end markets and premium products where our differentiated capabilities and materials are most highly valued. Point number three, we're increasing our 2024 EPS guidance, driven by strong demand, improved operational stability and a healthy pricing environment.

We maintain our expectations for both top and bottom line growth in the second half. Our operations are performing at rates that support the second half guidance. Kim will share more color on this in a moment. As we leave the first quarter and look ahead to the strong outlook for Q2 and the rest of 2024, we've reached an ideal intersection of the effective strategy, top line growth and bottom line performance.

ATI has proven to perform and well positioned for the future. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kim and return later in the call for a few closing comments. Kim?

[Kimberly Fields, executive]

Thanks, Bob. I'm excited about ATI's future and look forward to continue executing our strategy. We've invested a lot in this strategy, and I'm confident in our direction. Thank you for your leadership and vision.

Looking ahead, let's add a little color on the strength of the markets and why I'm confident in meeting the guidance for the year. First, let's answer the question on everyone's mind. How are the 737 MAX challenges and resulting build rate reductions affecting ATI. Let me emphasize, this is not impacting our orders in any meaningful way.

As you will hear in Don's guidance, what we do see is strong underlying market demand that overcomes any 737 MAX inventory burn down and LEAP 1B build rate reductions. We are getting signals that further into the year, we'll see order increases to support 2025 wide-body build rates. We are very connected with our customers, and they recognize the importance of smoothing the impact to not derail the momentum that's been built.

With today's lead time, if you jump out of line, you'll face up to 12 to 18 months late for material when you get back in line to reorder. In the meantime, there is plenty of demand from others until the 737 MAX gets back on track and return to a significant growth rate. Last summer, we announced $1.2 billion in sales commitments.

These orders are ramping now. Additionally, we're seeing opportunities for emergent demand and expanded share positions as customers eliminate single points of failure and move business from underperforming suppliers to those who perform like ATI.

Today, our customer base is more diverse than before the pandemic. ATI provides content to all major engine and airframe OEMs. The other large air framer in Talos is very busy these days and we've significantly grown our position in certain products, upwards of 50% share as they look to diversify their titanium supply chain away from Russian sources. We're seeing very strong demand in engines, too.

Across the board, higher shop visits are driving up spares demand, especially for the hot section materials and parts we produce. This continues to pace closer to 40% overall demand versus the 20% to 25% we've seen historically. We're actively supporting the GTF accelerated overhauls and parts replacement. This multiyear replacement plan is driving GTF forging demand up 25% in the back half versus last year, and we see further growth in this important program in 2025 and beyond.

Another strong market is defense. Defense armor plate continues to grow due to Abrams rearmoring packages and foreign military sales. We enjoy a strong supply position on the U.K.'s Ajax vehicle program, and we're winning new programs like the U.S. Army's new armored fighting vehicle, which has doubled the ATI content versus previous designs. The robust demand we are experiencing across most of our markets create pricing opportunities as well. We anticipate seeing these wins hit the bottom line in the back half of the year.

This potential is built into our updated guidance. Space provides significant opportunities for high growth, leveraging our material science capabilities. Commercial launch firms are targeting 100 launches this year, which provides a strong start to our new long-term agreements. In fact, every business at ATI participates in this market and our material and parts are being designed into next generations of rockets, delivering strength at high temperatures for critical components. It may be a small percentage of our revenue today, but it is on track to double this year.

The business is going where we want it to go. ATI's products are in every major OEM aircraft and engine program. Bottom line, we have strong customer demand across our markets. Now let's talk operations. I am confident we are operating at the rate needed to meet this demand in our 2024 guidance. Recently, we commissioned a new 12,500 tonne billet press capable of processing both nickel and titanium.

This debottlenecking investment gives us maximum flexibility and is a key enabler to achieving our 2025 targets. Another example, Forged Products is in the process of qualifying products on our fourth isothermal press. A major control system upgrade brought this asset up to best-in-class and increases our ISO forging capacity by up to 40% over the first half of 2024.

These are both great examples of debottlenecking our nickel and titanium value streams. Last, with the increased industry focus on quality, testing and inspection capacity has been very tight. We have substantially expanded our ultrasonic inspection to support the increased testing requirements and relieve a critical industry supply chain bottleneck.

By the second half, our testing capacity will triple. This goes a long way to addressing the urgent need of our customer base. Our team is firing on all cylinders and their hard work really shines through in this quarter's results. We're operating at the rates needed to meet our second half guidance. I'm confident we're taking the steps needed to have increased capabilities and capacity, so we'll reach or exceed our stated 2025 targets.

Before I conclude, I want to thank our teams. Every day, they are focused on safely delivering for our customers. As you can see, their efforts are paying off as we achieved solid financial returns for our shareholders. We appreciate all their hard work. With that, I'll turn it over to Don for detail on this quarter's results and the outlook for the second quarter in 2024.

[Donald Newman, executive]

Thanks, Kim. Let me start by noting that ATI continues to deliver on commitments to our shareholders. First quarter adjusted EPS exceeded the high end of our guidance range in a meaningful way. We also delivered noteworthy improvement to cash performance year-over-year. We used that liquidity in the first quarter to repurchase $150 million of stock.

We are also raising full year earnings and free cash flow guidance to reflect expected performance. There are 3 areas I want to cover today. First, Q1 showed continued improvement in a ramping demand environment. Second, we anticipate a meaningful increase in sales and earnings in Q2. And third, our expected performance in the second half of the year is well aligned to delivering 2025 financial targets.

Let's start with color on the first quarter. The AA&S segment delivered stronger-than-expected performance in the first quarter, including revenue growth of 7% over fourth quarter 2023 as well as adjusted EBITDA margins of 14%. Aerospace, medical and electronics drove the sequential revenue increase.

As expected, certain industrial end markets remain soft, continuing a trend started in 2023. Conventional energy sales increased due to a nonrecurring product delivery. Beyond this singular event, we continue to expect recovery of industrial demand in the second half of the year. For HPMC, melt outages in late 2023 led to lower first quarter sales and unfavorable mix as well as lower earnings and margins. But the outages are behind us. Melt rates are where we need them to be to hit our targets. Here, I want to call out the team's efforts to improve CAP performance.

Q1 has historically been a quarter of seasonal cash burn. Cash used in operating activities this quarter was $99 million. Compare that to the first quarter of 2023, when we used $285 million for operating activities. That's a $186 million year-over-year improvement. Working capital management and the absence of pension contributions led to the favorable change.

Good progress to date but we still have many opportunities to unlock when it comes to cash conversion. We are putting that cash to good use. In Q1, we repurchased $150 million of our stock, completing the program our board approved last November. Executing the program early in the year reflects strong liquidity and a stable balance sheet. It also reflects confidence in our improving operating cycle and cash generation profile.

We closed the first quarter with more than $950 million of total liquidity including nearly $400 million of cash on hand. That's after executing the share buyback. Our net leverage ratio was 2.8x at the end of the quarter and should continue to improve because of cash generation and increasing profits.

Looking beyond Q1, we remain committed to delivering maximum value as we; one, invest for growth, two, delever the balance sheet; and three, return capital to our shareholders.

With that, let's talk about our Q2 outlook and our updated expectations for 2024. To provide greater clarity into our financial outlook, we have added an estimated range for adjusted EBITDA to complement the guidance we offer for adjusted earnings per share. Demand for ATI products remains strong, particularly in the A&D and Aero life markets.

When combined with the improved operational performance and production capacity that Kim highlighted, the expectations for future performance are compelling. For the second quarter, we estimate adjusted EPS will be in the range of $0.54 to $0.60 per share. We expect adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter to be between $170 million and $180 million. Where is that growth coming from?

Sales growth in our core end markets, post-outage debottleneck production levels and stable industrial demand. Expected strength in the second quarter carries over to the full year. We expect full year adjusted EPS to be in the range of $2.30 to $2.60 per share. At the midpoint of the range, that is a $0.13 increase from the full year guidance provided last quarter.

We also narrowed our guidance range by $0.10 to reflect confidence in our ability to deliver. Adjusted EBITDA for the full year is expected to be in the range of $700 million to $750 million. This strong performance and improved outlook carries over to cash flows, where we have increased our full year free cash flow range by $15 million from previous guidance.

The new range is $260 million to $340 million. The $300 million midpoint represents an 82% increase from 2023 free cash flow of $165 million. We are not changing our CapEx range. It remains at $190 million to $230 million. I know my audience. Most of you have already done the math regarding what this guidance indicates for the second half. The message is that we anticipate strong earnings, margin and cash generation momentum as we exit 2024 and focus on delivering our 2025 financial targets. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Bob.

[Robert Wetherbee, executive]

Thanks, Don. Today's call is my 22nd as ATI's CEO. Those of you into material science like we are, now the 22 is the atomic number for titanium. So I guess it's fitting. Since being named CEO in August of 2018, it's been a privilege to collaborate with our team to develop ATI's strategy and guide our efforts to execute on that strategy to the benefit of shareholders, customers and employees.

Almost from day 1, I got great counsel from our directors to build a succession plan for whenever the time was right. We've been doing that, building a strong team across the enterprise. That includes investing in Kim Fields. She's learned and led each business unit within ATI, strengthening our operations and championing our growth.

Kim equally invested herself in the development experience and the development of our A&D strategy. Our deliberate succession plan has paid off. She's ready to become ATI's next CEO on July 1. I'm really pleased to her and she's learned it. And I'm excited for ATI and as Executive Chairman, I might be stepping away from the day to day, but I'll support Kim and whatever she achieves.

As I reflect on the last 6 years, it's been a great run. Some days it felt a lot more like a sprint than a run, but a little more geopolitical and market uncertainty than anyone could have anticipated came along but we've used every opportunity to our advantage.

Yet to be clear, the best days of value creation at ATI are ahead. My confidence in ATI's future is driven first, by the strength of the aerospace and defense market demand. This robust growth is expected for the balance of the decade. Second, ATI is positioned in our core markets with a very broad customer and end-use application base. And third, our capabilities are extraordinary. Our operational advantage is formidable and our velocity speed and at the fine direction is accelerating.

It's a great position to begin for sure. I'm extremely proud to have led the team that has transformed ATI and positioned us so strongly for the future. and we really have a great team. Thanks to them for all we've accomplished together. We are and will continue to be proven to perform. With that, let's open the line for questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions]

Our first question today comes from Michael Leshock of KeyBanc.

[Michael Leshock, analyst]

Bob, congrats on 22. I wanted to start here on the commercial aerospace side. I know the 737 MAX is incorporated in guidance, and it sounds like you have ample room to mitigate some of the near-term challenges across your whole portfolio, but wanted to ask on how long it would take for subdued MAX build rates to meaningfully impact ATI?

So hypothetically, if Boeing's rate stayed the same for another year, what would the impact look like on 2025 numbers for ATI? And are there ways to mitigate this if the 737 issues become a longer-term issue?

[Kimberly Fields, executive]

So I think I'll take this one, Bob. So just to give you a little bit of color, as we mentioned, there's been minimal impact on us. And primarily because it's more than offset by demand across all our other programs. So even if it was, as you said, further out and multiple quarters forward, as we're looking at it, a couple of things are true.

One is wide-body demand is starting to ramp, which has much higher titanium content than the 737 MAX, which is more of an aluminum plane. The engines programs kind of across the board, we're seeing really strong demand on all of those programs, engine spares and MRO visits are up, which are -- some OEMs are predicting increases in that as well we're a key part of the GTF overhaul and parts replacement.

And that's going to be elevated for several years as we work with them to help lower their AOGs. And lastly, you can't forget the LEAP-1A has just as much engine content in titanium as the IB, and that is continuing to grow, and we anticipate that. So as we said in the near term, minimal impact, and we anticipate that for many quarters out that we're going to be in good shape.

[Michael Leshock, analyst]

Got it. That's really helpful. And then on industrial demand, just wanted to get your take on what gives you confidence in a second half recovery? And what are the moving pieces that you're seeing on the industrial side?

[Donald Newman, executive]

This is Don. I'll take that question. Really, we've talked for a while now about our expectations that industrial is going to recover largely in the second half of the year. And what we're looking at is signals within the individual end markets that make up our industrial.

And what I would say is, this last quarter, we saw some positives in oil and gas. Some of those are recurring, some are not. But we are seeing some indications from an order, a book order volume standpoint that there's positive trend. So what it does is it gives us great confidence that our expectation for Q2 is still strong. In addition to that, we've seen recoveries in Asia demand with our Asian precision rolled strip business and stability in industrials overall.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Richard Safran of Seaport.

[Richard Safran, analyst]

Bob, congrats to you. And I have one for you on any time, Bob. Kim, could you expand a little bit more on this widebody demand you were mentioning in your opening remarks? Is that coming from both Boeing and Airbus? And is it possible, could you discuss the 787 orders? Does it -- that you're getting right now? I mean is it supporting higher rates than what we're seeing right now given your lead times?

[Kimberly Fields, executive]

Thanks, Rich. Appreciate the question. Yes. There's been some -- obviously, the [ 350 ], they come out and stated higher rates as they're going forward. And I got to take everyone back to material lead times for these programs are 12 to 15 months out.

So we are starting to see and talk with our customers, and we're very aligned with them. So we're starting to see that demand as they're talking to us around how do we ensure that the material flow is going to be available as they start to ramp up. As you said, the 787 has continued to ramp.

And so we've started having those conversations on that side, and we anticipate seeing those orders being placed to get into the lead time for the second half of this year as we gear up for shipments into 2025.

[Richard Safran, analyst]

Okay. Don, just quickly, could you go over -- discuss a bit about how you're thinking about capital deployment now given that you used up the $150 million in the first quarter. At one point in time, I think you were talking about M&A also. So if you include a bit of a discussion about that in your answer.

[Donald Newman, executive]

Sure. Happy to do that. We talked many times about our balanced capital deployment strategy. We're focused on 3 elements growing the business delevering and returning capital to shareholders. That -- those 3 priorities and the balance around them is not expected to change.

But you're pointing out that we did fully consumed the authorization that we had for share repurchases in Q1 with $150 million. So are we expecting to do additional share purchases this year would be a fair conclusion of the question that you're asking. The short answer to that is we have clearly prioritized returning capital to shareholders.

Since early 2022, we repurchased almost $400 million of our shares. We are in a very fortunate position where we expect to have healthy cash generation, just have to look at the targets that we've shared. And so that, coupled with our strong balance sheet and liquidity, Rich, we're in a great position to continue to make choices.

So what does that mean for maybe an additional share repurchase program this year? And the short answer on that is I don't want to get ahead of my board, but I would point out that our Board has been extraordinarily supportive of this balanced capital deployment strategy and prioritizing return of capital to shareholders. I would not expect that the $150 million program we just completed will be the last program quite the contrary. In terms of M&A our bias has been -- yes, our bias on growing the business and investment has really been toward organic investment.

And we've got a long list of great projects that provide robust returns, and we don't see that changing. It doesn't mean that we're not interested in M&A, but I can tell you the hurdles that -- we have internally hurdles in terms of very close adjacencies overlap to our current business, return profiles, those kinds of things.

They're very robust. So if we were to do any sort of acquisition, it would certainly be -- it would be challenged to hit our internal targets. It isn't something that we are putting great emphasis on our priority. We have a great business to run that's growing with CapEx and is going to provide the returns and the targets that we've shared with the market. And so we're happy with where we're at.

But it is -- I will tell you, it's nice to have choices. And it goes back to your original question, capital deployment. Our starting objective with our capital deployment strategy and focus on cash generation, Rich, was to put us in a position where we can make healthy choices for our shareholders and that's something that I think you're starting to see.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from David Strauss of Barclays.

[David Strauss, analyst]

Bob, want to offer my congratulations as well, and best wishes going forward. I guess the first question for you, Don. The EPS guidance increase, obviously, some of that is a lower share count. But beyond that, what actually changed since I don't -- we didn't have an EBITDA expectation before this or guidance before this. I guess, what got better in terms of end markets or maybe break it out by business AA&S, HPM? What has improved versus when you gave initial guidance?

[Donald Newman, executive]

Yes. It starts with our Q1 performance being better than expected. And so that was helpful and getting comfortable with raising the guidance. But really, it's starting with 2 pretty key items. One is continued strength of demand in our core end markets, aerospace and defense and aero like. And that strength is reinforcing growth, especially in the second half of the year in our business and growth that we expect is going to carry to 2025 and beyond.

So seeing that continued strength of demand was helpful. Another thing that I would point to that has increased our expectations of the business are tied to our debottlenecking activity. And of course, that's related to production and as we saw successes in the first quarter around our debottlenecking efforts and seeing improved flow around products that are melted and then seeing those progress through our production cycles through finishing and getting out the door, very positive trends that we see there.

And -- so that's what I would point to. We've got some additional debottlenecking focus that our efforts rather in the second half that will continue to add incremental EBITDA to the business. And so that -- those are the primary drivers.

[David Strauss, analyst]

Okay. Great. And you've talked about the second half of the year recovery and in your industrial end markets, I think mainly pointing to oil and gas. If that doesn't materialize, how much risk is there to your guidance? Are we at the low end of the EPS range if the -- if industrial just kind of holds where we are today? Does that put us at the low end or are we outside the range?

[Donald Newman, executive]

Yes. The magnitude of -- if that were to happen, it wouldn't have a significant effect on the guidance or us performing against the guidance that we shared today. It would be marginal, I would say, to the EBITDA guidance of $725 million.

And so I would still expect was stable industrial, stable being defined as kind of where we were in Q1. I would expect pretty high confidence in our ability to deliver on the guidance that's on the table today.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Scott Deuschle of Deutsche Bank.

[David Strauss, analyst]

Kim, reading between the lines on the prepared remarks, it sounded like ATI maybe recently expanded its role with Pratt and its work scope on the GTF. I guess did I read that right? And is there any additional context you can add if so?

[Timna Tanners, analyst]

Thanks, Scott. Yes, you did. You did read that right. I'd say ATI is part of the solution there. We've got a great relationship that's only grown through the pandemic, and it started with us partnering that with them on the angle scan testing protocols and practice and helping them work through both what was necessary and then how to streamline that, so that it didn't create more bottlenecks in the supply chain from an industry standpoint.

And second, as I mentioned, we are partnering with them, and we are part of the solution with helping them address the GTF issue and the accelerated overhauls that they're driving. I think was mentioned during the earnings call, material flow is really going to be the key, and we're partnering with them to accelerate that flow-through parts.

I talked a little bit about our investment in ultrasonic inspection and testing. And again, that's in conjunction with helping to help support them really to accelerate bringing those AOGs back down. Just -- you didn't ask, but as we look at our guidance, that is something that we did anticipate some of that incremental work in there in terms of scope.

But as we look forward, I'd say my bias and you've probably -- you're hearing Don's bias as well as to the upside of the range because clearly, if we're able to move quicker and as we work with them, they'll want -- they want to do that as well and get those planes back up in the air and back in service.

[David Strauss, analyst]

Okay. Can you say what specific parts you're selling into them now? Is it powder metal or more forged products? Just trying to understand more specifically...

[Timna Tanners, analyst]

Yes. No. So they're powdered metal. I think they've shared this publicly that they, through their joint venture, provide that material to our forged products group. So we're making the forged parts and just -- as an overview, we are typically participating with all of our engine OEMs in the hot section of those parts.

So the HPT and HPC disks and so forth. So again, as you look at overhaul both from the powdered metal situation they've got but also just from the expanded overhauls that they're bringing these planes in that they may want to do some additional work so that they don't have to come back in again as soon. Both of those opportunities are hitting us.

[David Strauss, analyst]

Okay. Great. And Kim, are you able to say if ATI was one of the new sources of supply for titanium that Collins Aerospace recently signed on?

[Kimberly Fields, executive]

Well, what I can say is RTX is a long-term customer. We are partnering. We've grown our business over this time. I don't usually get into specifics about specific contracts and customers, but this example on the GTF, we just talked about is a great example of where we are continuing to grow our business with them. And as I said, we've got a great partnership with them.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Chris Olin of North Coast Research.

[Christopher Olin, analyst]

I wanted to ask a little bit more about the titanium market share and maybe focus on the Airbus supply chain sourcing strategy. So it looks like the Canadian government officially exempted the Russian titanium imports from that sanctions list? And that decision confused me, but I guess what I was really confused was the customer behavior because it looks like some of the suppliers in Europe and Canada under the Airbus umbrella, really either did not have any intention of breaking away from Russian supply or adhering to what Airbus had officially saying.

So I guess what I'm curious about is kind of your views on what's been going on lately with the contract movement or lack thereof? And does the fewer breaking off of contracts from Airbus hurt the Northwest titanium capacity expansion strategy? And I guess, finally, Bob, as one of your last acts of CEO, I'm wondering if you're going to throw away your Brian Adams records as a protest of these exemptions from Canada.

[Robert Wetherbee, executive]

I want to deal with the last question first. I don't have any more records, but I'm going to hang on to the digital for sure. If you don't the Canadians, their friends right? So I would say -- let me start with kind of the broader picture and kind of work on my color around that, right? So I think your question was, how do you see restaurant supply and the risk to those investment investing?

I think our operations in the Pacific Northwest going to come online. Customers have committed across the board, gives us a great capability to marry up with our other titanium melting. And so I think we don't see any risk with that. It certainly gives us a lot of flexibility both in terms of the input materials as well as the alloys and the MDUs.

So it's a very broad capability, and we look forward to that. I think if you look at the overall supply chain, what's going on perhaps in Canada, I don't think the Russian material in the supply chain has been totally consumed yet. It's still working its way through. It's not to zero, it's probably going to take into 2025 to do that.

I think we have to recognize it's important to the national interest of the U.S., the Canadians, the Europeans to build airplanes. And that's what they're going to do. They're going to have to build airplanes. And so that's going to be their first priority. And that's what you see in some of the exemption activities is but it's going to be spotty kind of stuff because I think the vast majority of the supply chain are being filled by the incumbents.

We certainly are seeing that. I think all of our competitors around the world are saying the same thing. But think back to the experiences and learnings over the last 2 years of the supply chain and what's going on, right? Number one is this commitment to eliminate single points of failure. So where people relied on sole sources perhaps out of Russia, probably not going back to that.

Number 2 is the requalification issues, right? Think about the effort over the last 2 years to requalify. And here, we are hitting into the start of a wide-body demand increase. So who's going to take real risk on their ramp to switch supply when they've gone to great pains over the last 2 years to put it in place.

So I think that's -- I can't speak directly for Airbus and their strategy, but I would say that's the apparent strategy that they're on because they're acting like they've made the move and they're sticking to it. But the titanium industry needs to perform and meet the need. Let's not give need to go back to another source. That's our daily mantra.

And I think the OEMs are wanting to be -- they want a level competitive playing field, but boy, you got to be reliable. As Kim said earlier, every CEO on calls in the last few weeks has talked about the importance of material flow. So I don't think they take the situation lightly. But I do think there will be spot situations where the industry that doesn't have the right capability or the right capacity at the right time where you'll see material flowing.

But I would put it at low to no risk for the balance of the decade that the major OEMs would go back to Russian supply in a big way. I can't predict politics, but you can certainly predict economics. And I think they're committed to doing what's right for their customers to build the claims and reliable flow of high-quality material that's been qualified over and over again in the U.S. and Europe is going to be their priority.

So see, did I answer all the questions, Christian? I think I did Brian Adams is still on my Rolodex, and West is going strong then we open Yes.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Seth Seifman of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

[Seth Seifman, analyst]

And let me add my congratulations, Bob, and congratulations to Kim as well. I wanted to ask maybe starting off starting off -- about the HPMC profitability. You talked about some lower shipments of high-value aerospace parts and we attribute some of that to outages. Were there more timing issues in the quarter rather than outages? And then how do you expect this to bounce back? And does that lead to a margin back above 20% in the second quarter for HPMC?

[Donald Newman, executive]

Sure. Let me cover that. So first of all, the primary driver for the lower revenues in Q1 were really tied to the melt outage impacts from that Q4 set of events. And the impact that it had on our inventory positions for Q1. So as we have that -- those outages behind us, we're expecting, of course, to be back up to the production levels, and we are seeing that, not just expecting it. We're seeing it.

And then take another step upward in terms of our debottlenecking activity. Add to all of that, if you're talking about HPMC, some of the things that Kim had talked about around forgings. And when you talk about forging, you have to remember, they've had 2 running quarters in a row word. They've set all-time records on their revenue.

In addition to that, we've started the fourth isothermal press, and we have added SONiC testing. And those SONiC testing was a bottleneck in the business. So as you look forward to Q2 and the second half of the year, for HPMC, you're seeing a lift in volumes. You're seeing -- and that's debottlenecking as well as production efficiency.

Don't forget the new assets that are coming online. We talked about the Albany Oregon facility that we restarted in 2023. That, that would be ramping up and really hitting income statement run rates in the second half of the year. That's a good guy.

And then just the general overall -- the efficiencies that we're going after in HPMC. The -- and then just one more thing if you bear with me. As you think about the volume increase, where is it happening? Well, it's happening in Aerospace and Defense and Aero Like, those are our richest margin product offerings. And so that's going to be beneficial to margins.

So volume increases, greater efficiencies, great mix impacts and investor flow. That's -- those are -- those all set the stage for answering your question what the heck's going to happen with HPMC margins. The good news is they're going up. We expect by -- certainly in Q2, we're going to see HPMC margin back above the 20% level.

And as the year progresses, we would expect that those margins in the Q3 and Q4 kind of time frame would be in the 23% range, which is right in line with the targets that we have for 2025, which, as you know, are low 20s to mid-20s for HPMC.

Now if we're going to talk about margins, I want to also just give you a sense as to how we're thinking about margins in the broader business. And so if you think about ATI consolidated so our experience this last quarter was 14.5% EBITDA margin.

And I would expect that with each passing quarter, our consolidated EBITDA margins would be increasing. And for the overall business, our 2025 targets are EBITDA margins in the 18% to 20% range. Where we exit 2024 is an important point in terms of our ability to close the gap and hit that 18% to 20% margin target.

So how should we think about our expected margin exit rate for Q4 of this year? I would expect the consolidated EBITDA margins to be in the range of 16.5% to 17%. And then of course, we're targeting 17% in our business. So that -- delivering 17% as the Q4 exit EBITDA margins really sets us up well to hit our 2025 range of 18% to 20%. So hopefully, that's helpful.

[Operator]

Our next question today comes from Timna Tanners of Wolfe Research.

[Timna Tanners, analyst]

Okay. Great. Bob, congrats on a great run, and it seems like it's been like -- and just yesterday that you just started and did some -- it's great to see all your progress. I wanted to just ask about CapEx and capital allocation.

So on CapEx, I know you've done a really good job of debottlenecking and having bite-sized kind of growth. But I just want to know, is that -- how much more runway do you have of debottlenecking? How much more can you continue to kind of do these bite-sized increases in growth that way? What inning are we in there?

And then second question, just a little bit more on the buybacks. Is this a good cadence to expect going forward? Is there an opportunistic element to your buyback where you look at the share price? Or do you just look at a steady amount over time?

[Donald Newman, executive]

Sure. Let me take that. In terms of CapEx and debottlenecking, first, I want to reinforce, the growth that we're seeing in the business and the really strong trajectory that we're sharing a part of today, is all built on the CapEx guidance that we've shared with the market up to this point.

Our plan is, we expect to average $200 million of CapEx each year between now and through 2027, plus or minus. So in terms of debottlenecking and what are the opportunities, I would say we're nowhere near really fully exhausting the opportunities and improving the production efficiencies and flows in our business. And I think that it's fair to say that those opportunities exist throughout the business.

And it starts with melt. And so unlocking the melt capacity, like we have been working on, and we saw significant steps forward in that is the first step in really unlocking the bottlenecks in this business. So it's very, very exciting.

I talk about it's effectively free capacity. And whatever debottlenecking investments that we're making and support of increasing this flow is subsumed in our CapEx guidance that I just mentioned. So it's not incremental to it. And then could you repeat your question around share buybacks?

[Timna Tanners, analyst]

Sir. Yes, it was more about what's the cadence that we might want to expect? Or does your board think about it in terms of a steady state or opportunistic?

[Donald Newman, executive]

I would say a combination. What we try to do with our Board is really look at things on an annual basis based upon our planned liquidity and cash generation. we make a recommendation to the Board in terms of a level of CapEx, delevering and share buybacks. That balanced deployment strategy I've talked about. And so it's typical to talk to the Board about that earlier in the year.

And that's what we did this year. Actually, we accelerated a little bit and did it at the end of last year. And that worked out extremely well. We repurchased shares early enough in Q1 before the run-up in our stock that probably saved us $15 million to $20 million because of that being proactive on that time. In terms of being opportunistic, the short answer there is, yes, we would expect to be opportunistic and to have opportunistic, this is a great example.

So we expanded the 2024 program of $150 million that was originally planned to be executed late in the year, while we pulled that forward for a number of reasons, a number of really good reasons. Now we're seeing this very healthy cash generation profile for the rest of the year. We would go back to our board and have conversations around them -- around the topic with them, should we allocate more capital for additional share repurchases this year.

But it is important to remember as we think about capital deployment and cash generation, the idea of having a balanced deployment strategy is not a one-off, 1-year or 2-year kind of strategy. So investing for growth, investing for delevers and returning capital to our shareholders is something that is a continuation in our business.

[Operator]

And our next question comes from Gautam Khanna of JD Cowen.

[Gautam Khanna, analyst]

And congrats, Bob and Kim.

[Robert Wetherbee, executive]

Yes. It's been a quick 6 years. That's for sure, but I'm confident go and...

[Gautam Khanna, analyst]

Yes, it's been click, and I was just thinking., I finally stopped calling you Rich and now you're leading.

[Robert Wetherbee, executive]

Well, obviously, you don't call it Kim Bob.

[Gautam Khanna, analyst]

Exactly who knows will happen. But I wanted to just revisit what you said in your prepared remarks on 737 and destocking. And I was wondering if you could -- maybe I missed it, but explicitly, has there -- this has had no impact on lead times, nickel bullets on your titanium airframe shipments, et cetera.

Is that true like there's just -- it's entirely -- you have seen a change in schedule, but it's been entirely offset by the other programs. Is that a fair characterization?

[David Strauss, analyst]

Yes. So you raised the question on 2 different alloy series and they have slightly different answers. So I'll take the titanium side, and I'll let Kim add the color on the nickel side because I think it's important to differentiate the 2. So when it comes to titanium, the 737 MAX as much as we love it, it really is much more of an aluminum-intensive vehicle as they say.

And so I would say the uptick in the widebody space is more than offsetting the downside on the 737. So I would say what we see at the moment is stability in the order pattern from the guys in Seattle. So yes, a little bit down on the [ 37 ] starting to see the up on the wide-body. So the message on titanium, I think in the air structures in the United States is stable with an upward bias.

And so we haven't seen it go down. We've just seen it stabilize, but we are definitely seeing interest in the second half, which is also an indication of the build rates of 2025 given the lead times of 12 to 15 months. So we are seeing that activity. It helps when A350s are going to go to 12 from 10, that will be exciting, and we are looking forward to the day when they deliver 10, 787s a month.

And -- so we're starting to see that activity. So that's kind of the titanium story. Kim, you want to fill in Adam's question on the nickel side.

[Kimberly Fields, executive]

Sure. Yes, because that kind of leads us to the engine side and the LEAP-1B. And as I mentioned, there has been some modifications, and we're staying aligned with our customers. But as we look at it, it's more of a modifying of the growth but we're still seeing growth. And so instead of maybe 20% to 25% growth, it's closer to like 10% to 15% growth that we're going to continue to see from the LEAP program overall that includes that LEAP-1A and the 1C for that matter.

When you look -- as we look out over these different programs, as I mentioned, there are a couple of things happening. The widebody is bringing the Rolls-Royce demand forward. And so they're looking at some of their large engines and how do they support that. So there's a lot of activity there. And then the GTF overhauls, obviously, they want to get through that overhaul and replacement as fast as possible. And so that's ramping very quickly.

And any capacity that we have that can go to helping them move through that program quicker is going to be used. So yes, we don't have a lot of concern as we look at this. It's a more slight modification of their that 1b ramp rate and everything else seems to be very robust and growing.

[Gautam Khanna, analyst]

And just as a follow-up, Kim, have the -- what are the nickel billet lead times at this point? I think last quarter, we were thinking over 60 weeks. Is that fairly consistent?

[Timna Tanners, analyst]

Yes. We do have some -- there are some products that are over 70 weeks. I do think Don mentioned some of the work that we're doing on productivity and debottlenecking. And so I'd say 12 to 15 months still, but we are working and we are seeing some capacity increases that are allowing us to pull some of those orders in and frankly, using those to react to emergent demands that our customers are having that they need to get a little bit further up in line to help them out. So we're still in that same range. We do have some investments coming on that will help that lead time, but it's still kind of in that 12 to 15 months.

[Operator]

Thank you. We have no further questions. So I'll turn the call back over to Dave Weston for any closing comments.

[David Weston, executive]

Thanks, everyone, for your time today. Please reach out to our Investor Relations team today with any follow-up questions. And with that, thank you very much again, and have a great day.

[Operator]

This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.