Antero Resources Corp

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Earnings Call Transcript 2023-Q2

[Operator]

Greetings, and welcome to the Antero Resources Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

It is now my pleasure to introduce to you, Mr. Brendan Krueger, VP of Finance. Thank you, Mr. Brendan, you may begin.

[Brendan Krueger, Vice President-Finance]

Thank you. Good morning, thank you for joining us for Antero's second quarter 2023 investor conference call. We'll spend a few minutes going through the financial and operating highlights, and then we'll open it up for Q&A.

I would also like to direct you to the homepage of our website at www.anteroresources.com, where we have provided a separate earnings call presentation that will be reviewed during today's call.

Today's call may contain certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our earnings press release for important disclosures regarding such measures, including reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures.

Joining me on the call today are Paul Rady, Chairman, CEO and President; Michael Kennedy, CFO, Dave Cannelongo, Senior Vice President of Liquids Marketing & Transportation and Justin Fowler, Senior Vice President of Natural Gas Marketing.

I will now turn the call over to Paul.

[Paul Rady, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

Thank you, Brendan. I'll start my comments on slide number three titled, Drilling and Completion Efficiencies. After a record-breaking first quarter operationally, the strong momentum continued in the second quarter. Completion stages averaged more than 11 per day in the second quarter, a 40% improvement compared to the 2022 average and over a 90% increase from 2019 levels. Drill Outs, which are the process of drilling out the plugs in each stage of the horizontal portion of the well, exhibited the same success during the quarter.

Drill-outs averaged over 4,000 feet per day during the second quarter, up 9% from the 2022 average and over 50% increase from the 2019 levels. Faster drill outs and completion times have resulted in significantly shorter cycle times as shown on the bottom of the page. Since 2019, our cycle times have decreased by 65% an averaged just 151 days in the second quarter.

In June, we had the fastest cycle times in our company history at 129 days. These cycle times reflect the total number of days it takes on average from first spud on a pad to turning the entire pad to sales. As a reminder, we averaged six wells per visit per pad. Shorter cycle times mean higher capital efficiency. Highlighting this point, we completed roughly 60% of our 2023 budgeted completion stages during the first six months of 2023.

Now, let's turn to slide number four, titled Antero Wells continue to outperform peers. In addition to the drilling and completion records, we continue to see increases in well productivity. Chart on this slide highlights well productivity trends versus our peers since 2020. As illustrated on the page, Antero's average cumulative equivalent production per well is 20% higher than the peer average over this time. This differentiates Antero from its peers, with many companies having already drilled their best acreage our long core inventory life continues to deliver stronger results each year.

Now let's turn to slide number 5. Faster cycle times and improving well performance led to the increase in our 2023 production guidance. This gain in capital efficiencies is highlighted by our 5% total production growth in the second quarter compared to the year ago period.

Our production growth was driven by 16% liquids growth while natural gas was essentially flat year-over-year. These capital efficiency gains also reduce our maintenance capital budget as illustrated in the chart on the right-hand side of the page we currently expect 10% lower D&C capital in 2024 driven by operational efficiency gains alone.

To be clear, the lower capital outlook for 2024 assumes we maintain our increased 2023 production level the potential for a rollover in service costs suggest that there could be further reductions in next year's capital budget, but it's too early to assume that those service costs will come to fruition today.

Now, to touch on the current liquids and NGL fundamentals, I'll turn it over to our Senior Vice President of Liquids Marketing and Transportation; Dave Cannelongo for his comments.

[Dave Cannelongo]

Thanks, Paul. While C3+ prices as a percent of WTI are currently low it is important to remember that the second quarter is historically weak for NGL prices. Moving into the second half of 2023 and further into 2024 we see tailwinds emerging from normal seasonal demand drivers upside in the Chinese petrochemical market and supply moderation due to rig reductions in liquids-rich basins.

Starting with Propane, although absolute propane inventory levels have remained elevated throughout the first half of 2023, days of supply has generally been trending within the 5-year range during the same period. This indicates that the current higher stock levels are to a large degree necessary to support the substantial growth that the US market has experienced primarily in exports but also domestic petrochemical demand.

Turning to propane exports which are highlighted on slide number 6 we have seen consistent strength throughout 2023 with total US propane exports averaging 1.6 million barrels per day year-to-date. This is 300,000 barrels per day or approximately 25% higher than the same period last year.

Propane exports also reached a new record high in the second quarter of 1.9 million barrels per day in late June according to weekly EIA data. In the domestic market propane demand should improve in the coming months from a new propane dehydrogenation or PDH facility that is starting up in the Gulf Coast followed by seasonal crop drying and heating demand as we move through the remainder of 2023 into 2024.

Turning to the Chinese market. Although, there have been various headwinds to economic recovery post-COVID we have seen some recent data points showing improvement in the petrochemical sector there.

Chinese integrated polypropylene margins from PDH units have shown dramatic improvements year-to-date increasing from outright negative levels in February to almost $300 per metric ton in May.

Unsurprisingly utilization rates in Chinese PDH units have been closely correlated with this margin improvement.

Operating rates have improved from lowest during the first quarter as shown on slide number 7 reaching a year-to-date high of 69% in June 2023, which was the highest rate observed in over a year on the back of higher overall PDH capacity from new facility commissioning during that time frame.

We believe the rapid uptick observed in PDH utilization in recent months in response to margin improvement, highlights the value of having spare petrochemical capacity already in place when demand recovery occurs. This is something that we have talked about in previous quarters as well and is a bullish factor over the long-term as the property sector improves in China and worldwide.

Turning to supply. There has been a lot of attention on the rig reductions in gas-focused basins but also wanted to highlight the rig reductions we have seen this year in liquids-focused regions.

Slide number 8 titled Rig Counts Dropping in Key Liquids Basins shows the rig count changes since the beginning of 2023 for the total US and several key liquids-rich basins. We are showing both the outright rig decrease and the reduction on a percentage basis to illustrate the magnitude of the impact in each region.

There have been substantial year-to-date rate declines in the Eagle Ford, which is down 26% the SCOOP/STACK, which is down 30% and the Bakken, which has dropped 20%. So while the US C3+ supply is still growing overall, which we believe is ultimately needed to supply the global market the rate of growth has been tempered by this drilling slowdown. This trend presents upside for C3+ pricing as we look ahead in 2024 and beyond as the effect of the rig count reductions play out.

With that I will turn it over to Justin Fowler, Senior Vice President of Natural Gas Marketing.

[Justin Fowler, Senior Vice President, Natural Gas Marketing]

Thanks Dave. I'll start with comments on the natural gas macro. Turning to slide number 9 titled Peer-Leading Exposure to Premium Markets. As a reminder, we sell substantially all of our natural gas out of basin including approximately 75% to the LNG corridor. Our firm transportation portfolio provides us with direct exposure to the growing LNG demand along the Gulf Coast.

This slide illustrates average basis differentials for 2024 through 2027. Premiums to NYMEX Henry Hub that we realized our firm transportation have improved since the beginning of the year. In particular, you can see TGP-500 pricing relative to Henry Hub has increased by $0.15 year-to-date. This increase reflects the anticipation start-up of the Plaquemine LNG facility in 2024, which TGP feeds directly into.

Antero has significant exposure to this premium market with the nearly 600 MMcf a day of capacity on that pipeline. Meanwhile on a local basis, where the majority of our peers have significant exposure, remains at a steep discount to NYMEX Henry Hub through 2027 despite the recent approval of the MVP pipeline.

Next, let's discuss the industry response to lower natural gas prices. Slide number 10 depicts the historical relationship between NYMEX natural gas prices and the rig count in the Haynesville. We discussed this slide on our fourth quarter 2022 conference call back in February. At that time the Haynesville rig count was 73 rigs.

Based on the historical response by producers in that basin when NYMEX prices fell below $3, we communicated an expectation that rigs would fall by at least 25 to 30 rigs.

As it stands today the Haynesville rig count has declined by 38% or 25 rigs from peak levels. This point is driven home further when looking at the reduction in completion crews in the Haynesville which is shown on slide 11.

Since the beginning of the year the completion crew count has declined by 36% from 28 to 18 crews. While the decrease in drilling rigs will have a downward impact on 2024 supply this reduction in completion crews will have a more immediate impact on supply this year.

The sharp decline in drilling rigs and completion crews combined with the basin's steep decline profile is expected to help balance the US natural gas market and provide support to gas prices. In addition to a moderated supply outlook demand trends continue to shift toward natural gas.

Let's turn to slide number 12 titled Power Burn Demand growth. This chart shows that natural gas power burn demand has increased every year for 10 consecutive years. 2023 looks likely to set new record highs.

Despite the warmer than usual winter that led to softer demand to start the year off 2023 power burn is averaging 3.3 Bcf a day or 14% higher than the five-year average. This July is forecasted to average over 46 Bcf per day which was set a new monthly record. In fact just yesterday we hit a new daily power burn record of over 51 Bcf.

With that I will turn it over to Mike Kennedy, Antero's CFO.

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Thanks Justin. I'll be brief in my comments today. But I want to re-emphasize the points that Paul made earlier on Antero's peer-leading capital efficiency. Slide number 13 highlights the results of our peer group under each company's maintenance capital program.

By definition higher capital efficiency must drive either higher production volumes for the same capital or lower capital with the same production volume while attempting to target a maintenance capital program Antero's volumes actually grew 5% compared to the year ago period.

Conversely, when our peer group attempted to target a maintenance capital program their volumes actually declined by 4% year-over-year. This is shown in the chart at the top of the slide. The chart at the bottom of the slide compares the peer group's capital required per Mcfe of production.

As a rule of thumb internally we view each $100 million change of capital to result in approximately 100 million a day change in production both up and down. Over the last year we grew nearly 175 million a day which implies that our capital efficiency gains have reduced true maintenance capital by roughly $175 million all else equal.

Adjusted for this volume growth Antero would have the lowest CapEx per Mcfe of its peer group at just $0.66 per Mcfe. Against the peer group averages Antero's capital program is significantly more efficient 40% below our natural gas peers.

Looking ahead, we expect to maintain 2024 production at our raised production guidance levels on a capital program that we expect to be at least 10% lower than 2023 with all of the lower capital amount due to our capital efficiency. This raised production guidance also continues to assume a more conservative ethane outlook as we risk the timing of the Shell Ethane Cracker startup.

Lower capital combined with the higher natural gas strip leads to substantial free cash flow in 2024 and beyond. At the same time, we remain committed to our return of capital policy, which targets returning 50% of our free cash flow to shareholders.

With that, I will now turn the call over to the operator for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you, sir. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Arun Jayaram with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

[Arun Jayaram, JPMorgan]

Yes. My first question is for Dave. Dave, you highlighted just the bullish export trends on propane. And I was wondering, if you could give us some thoughts on what do you think has been driving the higher inventory levels? And just thoughts on how you see inventories potentially normalizing on the propane side as we move into winter?

[Dave Cannelongo]

Well I think the main thing was really the mild winter we had. I think, we talked about that maybe on a prior call that that coupled with some petrochemical maintenance during the winter time added roughly 20 million, 21 million barrels to the absolute inventory level. So if you strip that out we're down in close to the middle of the five-year range obviously even at a lower level on a days of supply basis.

So that's been the main driver that I would say play a role there. And then the other piece on the exports I think we just continue to see strong buying demand the arts are open using a lot of the ships that are coming online, but there's still roughly 26 vessels yet to come online this year through the remainder. So that will continue to drive freight costs down even though we have this much higher export stack and see some tailwinds there for us as well.

[Arun Jayaram, JPMorgan]

Great. And my follow-up maybe for Mike. I wanted to get your thoughts on hedging strategy. It seems like Mike we're in an environment where the market is quite constructive on 2025 gas prices just given the LNG incremental export demand and maybe investors are appreciating it if some of the gas producers can add some insurance in 2024. Just to get -- call it a floor on your cash flows for 2024. So I want to get thoughts on hedging strategy? And could we see Antero looking to add some hedges just given the improvement in strip pricing over the last few weeks?

[Paul Rady, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President]

Yes. Thanks, Arun, Paul here. Well as you're saying we too are positive on the natural gas market. There's positive momentum as you know in the futures prices Cal 2024 is above 350, 2025 and 2026 are approaching $4. So pretty healthy. But the other factors we see that give us a little bit of tailwind is that as we've covered here rig counts completion crew counts are declining and obviously that lowers supply. We're all following -- we as an industry are following LNG the build-outs the increased demand people signing up for more and more LNG facilities. And that's happening right now where more and more facilities will go in FID [ph].

And then we touched on just the yesterday's record power burn but systematically we're seeing higher power burns setting new records such as yesterday's 51 Bcf. So as you're aware Antero is in good shape, have a strong balance sheet. Our leverage is less than 1x. So we're being patient and watching the market and its tailwinds. And we've hedged of course, years ago and had success at it but we worked pretty carefully and bide our time. So that's where we are.

Thanks, Paul.

[Operator]

And the next question comes from the line of Bertrand Donnes with Truist. Please proceed with your question.

[Bertrand Donnes]

Morning, guys. On the capital program on the 2024 comments in the prepared remarks, you noted that you could see additional drops if maybe service costs come down from here. Could you maybe just touch on what the 10% drop includes? Does it use kind of a full year '23 average and then applies it to '24. Is it maybe, what you're expecting for the end of the year and then dragging that forward? And then just want to give you a chance one of your peers is starting to talk about '25. So is there anything that would prevent you from maybe holding that 10% drop into '25 or what it looks like out there?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. So just holding today's cost in the '24 flat no service cost or reductions are incorporated in that. It's because of our capital efficiency and the well productivity and we grew 5% year-over-year. It's actually maintained that you need about 100000 less lateral feet. And so when you do the math on that that's the 10% reduction just at today's costs. So '24 is down that 10% without any service cost help. '25 is actually lower than '24 because as we continue to be at maintenance capital our declines, our natural declines continue to decline as well as you add more and more base and get little less steep production unless lat [ph]. So '25 was below '24 right now. So extremely capital-efficient program continues to improve. And you can see that in our production growth at the same capital and you'll see it in '24 and '25 with lower capital amounts.

[Bertrand Donnes]

That's great. And then just second one is maybe to talk about your potential LNG strategy. Does a tolling agreement make sense for Antero? Or are you seeing anything any other structures that maybe would work best for your approach to maybe capture some of the international pricing?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. We have 75% of our production that goes to the LNG corridor. So we have so much exposure to that pricing down there and they're such a large market player in order to attract our gas just even on a spot basis really is going to be a lot of competition and really going to result in a pretty significant premium we think surprising. So that's our exposure non-earning [ph] to these, we of course evaluate all agreements but you're talking really small volumes and really big commitments. I think that one million tons is about a $2 billion commitment over the time frame and that's for like 100 million a day. So we don't have to make those commitments. We already have all the transport and all the production that gets down to the Gulf. So we'll get exposure to sort of spot pricing and then having to compete to buy our gas.

[Bertrand Donnes]

Sounds good. Thanks, guys.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of David Deckelbaum with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

[David Deckelbaum, TD Cowen]

Thanks for the time guys and the answers today. Mike, I think this first one is for you. I just wanted to dig in a little bit on just the CapEx progression into 2024. I think we all understand you're not including cost deflation. But, can you characterize a bit maybe obviously, you were employing a maintenance program, but you grew 5% this year. Some of those benefits I guess help in 2024. But can you kind of put some bookends around, how many wells you have to do in 2024 versus 2023 and how you think about sort of the well productivity gains for Antero itself in 2023 versus 2022?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. So, David, I mentioned, it's lateral feet really because wells -- our wells continue to lighten in laterals. So we'll have a bit longer in 2024, than we did in 2023 pretty much every year to go a tad longer. So that's why I mentioned or referenced to 100,000 feet. So, we'll have to do 100,000 feet less, than we did this year to maintain that around the 3.4 Bcfe level. And so when you just do our well cost on that 100,000 feet that's how you get the 90 million less of capital required to maintain. It's maintaining the same productivity, although our wells continue to be more productive. Right now, we're just elevating the shape of the curve and the front end, and have not increased the EURs but that could come later as the well productivity performance continues to be ahead of our expectations.

[David Deckelbaum, TD Cowen]

Is that front ends being influenced by choke management changes or completion designs? Or is that just geology

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

I think ,we're being conservative in our not applying that throughout the curve and the life of the well and just trying to wait and take a wait-and-see approach and see that continues throughout time.

[David Deckelbaum, TD Cowen]

Appreciate that. And just a follow-up on -- you talked about free cash flow generation especially, in 2024, as the curve inflects higher. But I think the last update, we all had from you around cash taxes, we had you kind of paying some cash taxes this year and that number going higher. Can you give us an update, on what you think your cash tax burden is going to be over the next several years, with this recent downdraft in commodity pricing?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. We don't foresee any cash taxes through 2025 in any material really in 2026. So not for the next three to four years. And with the prices in 2023, that's kept us out of really any exposure to AMT [ph] qualification as well. So, we don't see any cash taxes for at least the next three years.

[David Deckelbaum, TD Cowen]

Thanks, Mike.

[Operator]

The next question comes from the line of Umang Choudhary with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

[Umang Choudhary, Goldman Sachs]

Hi, good morning. And thank you our questions. My first question was a couple of follow-ups on the capital spending commentary, which you made. Can you give us any color around your expectations for cost deflation heading into next year? And on lower land spending. And then you made a point that, spending would be lower in 2025 as the decline rate for the shallow. Any color you can provide there, would be great as well. Thank you.

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. On the completions, I think we have of course our service contracts around drilling and completions really have been locked in 2023. That's why you don't see it there. But I think -- we've seen recent deals 5% to 10% lower than where our current contracts are. So I think that's a good starting point for 2024 on potential savings there. And then looking at past 2024 it's another 5% to 10% lower capital than that 10% we talked about for 2024 versus 2023. So it just continues to shallow and continues to go lower as our decline shallow.

[Umang Choudhary, Goldman Sachs]

Great. And quickly on the LPG side of the equation. It sounds like you think that the lower supply from the US with current rig reductions and improvement in demand from China, we should expect an inflection in pricing. Any color you can provide in terms of when do you think the pricing could inflect – it's kind of a challenging macro to make predictions here but any – do you feel like it's a kind of a winter event as demand starts to pick up also from heating, which can drive that inflection in pricing?

[Dave Cannelongo]

Yes, Umang, I would say, yes. It's – as we head into the fourth quarter, a couple of things that will be happening along. As Justin mentioned in his comments on the gas side. As you see rig counts that are out there is still – it takes some time to see the effect of that on the supply side maybe we're starting to see that here recently just with some of the weaker EIA reports over the last several weeks, where the propane builds have underwhelmed up versus expectations to the bullish side for us.

But the other things if you look at how propane is pricing right now relative to naphtha, it's doing its normal seasonal summertime spread that encourages propane to continue to be economic and a steam cracker as we head into the winter time –– as we saw this last winter and every winter before that that decouples and propane price at higher percentages of naphtha throughout the wintertime. And then we also – if you look at just how naphtha is pricing globally, I think winter it's been different since the start of the war in the Ukraine. But even right now on the forward curve naphtha is discounted relative to where it was this past winter and obviously the war was still incurring that.

We think there's some upside to naphtha outside the propane this winter. That's not reflected in the forward curve. And then as I mentioned earlier in my remarks maybe to Arun's question, the freight rates are anticipated to come down this winter as well. So multiple factors that should cause propane quite a bit of upside relative to what the forward curve is showing today in the low- to mid-70s.

[Umang Choudhary, Goldman Sachs]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[Operator]

And the next question comes from the line of Subhasish Chandra with The Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

[Subhasish Chandra, The Benchmark Company]

Hey, Mike, just to confirm your response to the cost question. So – the 10% as you've stated multiple times purely capital efficiency and another 5% to 10% is expected could occur in 2024 from materials and service cost deflation?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

There's that potential. I wouldn't say – in Paul's remarks, he talked about it maybe too early to forecast that. That's why we're not including that. But it seems that's where the market is trending with the lower rig count, lower completion crews working in the basins.

[Subhasish Chandra, The Benchmark Company]

Okay. Got it. Second question this is equally complicated macro question but – you mentioned the polypropylene margins. There's a naphtha relationship. There's supply demand. But – how far do you think the conditions – the macro conditions are from maybe getting back to prices we saw in the first quarter? Do you think weather –winter weather is absolutely necessary to get there? Or do you think some of these other non-weather variables can get us there?

[Dave Cannelongo]

Yeah. I mean -- I think -- certainly you can get there just on the supply reductions in the liquids-rich basins that we talked about. You can get there -- China starts to ramp up their property sector activity. There's -- as we talk -- I mentioned there so much excess PDH capacity that's available to ramp up that could certainly get you there without having a normal winter. So we'll continue to watch those things. Obviously, you don't expect to have a mild winter year after year after year. So there's certainly the potential there as well for some help from the mother nature, but you don't have to rely on that ultimately as we move through into 2024 if the demand starts to pick up as we anticipated will.

[Subhasish Chandra, The Benchmark Company]

Got it. Okay. And just a final one for me. When you look at sort of the growth in liquids processing capacity Marcellus other liquids-rich basins what's your thoughts there? Do you think it's running -- maybe running ahead or running behind, what you think required production or expected production will be?

[Dave Cannelongo]

Sorry, you're asking about processing capacity in the Appalachian Basin what we're seeing there just with some of the additional plants or plant that's been...

[Subhasish Chandra, The Benchmark Company]

Correct, yeah. Has that surprised you to the upside or has it been expected?

[Dave Cannelongo]

Not really. I mean -- I think when we look at what's actually being produced in the basin, I think there's been a little bit of growth this year and Antero has been the primary driver of that. So while -- on processing capacity not just because you have maybe spare capacity in one location, doesn't mean that a certain producer who's maybe drilling more rich acreage is able to utilize it. So you sometimes have to build a plant somewhere else at the well another plant in another part of the basins it's maybe more ideal. So we haven't seen substantial growth in the region outside of our own growth, and don't know that we would expect to really see much beyond the one plant that's talked about or coming online. They're going to see additional processing plants getting built in the region just given the activity.

[Subhasish Chandra, The Benchmark Company]

Got it. Thank you.

[Dave Cannelongo]

Thanks, Subhasish.

[Operator]

And the next question comes from the line of Nitin Kumar with Mizuho Securities. Please proceed with your question.

[Nitin Kumar, Mizuho Securities]

Thanks for taking my question. Not to keep beating a dead horse on the service cost side. But just you mentioned the 5% to 10% and I appreciate it's too early. But in terms of the different components, what are you seeing in terms of price weakness or price trends right now? Are you seeing movement on the big ticket items like day rates or crew prices?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Yeah, that's really where the 5% to 10% is coming from and that's compared to our current levels. So that's where we see recent deals being done a bit lower than we're at right now that we're locked in through 2023. That's how we come up with 5% to 10%.

[Nitin Kumar, Mizuho Securities]

And can you remind us what is your current contracting for services? Are you running through 2023 or even into 2024?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Completions of 2023 rigs are intermittent expiries throughout 2024, but first quarter kind of third quarter and then the end of 2024.

[Nitin Kumar, Mizuho Securities]

Got it. And if I can sneak one more in. I don't know if you answered that question, but you had I think $150 million of land spend this year. Should we expect a similar level in 2024 and 2025? Are you seeing enough opportunity for that kind of inventory replenishment, or should we expect that to drop next year? Any thoughts on that spending?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Yeah, probably will drop next year and beyond. But if we have the same level of success that we've had this year and the opportunities, we will act on them because we are adding the most efficient possible inventory locations as they're just right next to our current development plan and consolidating our acreage position. But it is finite the amount of those opportunities. So we will project probably much looking at lower and more in the typical $75 million to $100 million range.

[Nitin Kumar, Mizuho Securities]

Great. Thanks for answering my questions.

[Operator]

And the next question comes from the line of Gregg Brody with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

[Gregg Brody, Bank of America]

Hi, good morning guys. I know this may be a difficult question to answer today but just curious what your thoughts are how Mountain Valley pipeline the progress there with potentially coming online end of this year, how you think about that impacting your production and the ability to grow over time? I appreciate your maintenance mode today and looking for a better macro but just love to hear your thoughts on that?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Yeah, Gregg it was interesting. We did a study of Friday of the basis prices on the Friday before that surprised MVP announcement versus Monday, and it actually just took the cost down in the Northeast because that MVP volumes really cannot get down to the Southeast or to the more demand centers without some further expansions of pipeline.

So it really didn't affect the NYMEX pricing or pricing outside of Northeast basis. And as you know we have all the transport we need to get outside the basin. So I don't think it really has an impact on our ability to grow. I mean, I guess it would unlock a little bit of local growth if we chose to pursue that but we're really attracted by NYMEX prices and not the local pricing as Justin highlighted on this slide, local basis is still $1 off through 2027. So that's not attractive to us. So we still continue to fill our transport, focus on our liquid acreage, focus on being as capital efficient as we are and being at maintenance capital.

[Gregg Brody, Bank of America]

Thanks for the presentation guys. I appreciate it.

[Operator]

And the next question comes from the line of Kevin MacCurdy with Pickering Energy Partners. Please proceed with your question.

[Kevin MacCurdy, Pickering Energy Partners]

Hey good morning guys. A couple of questions on the free cash flow comments in the press release. Just to clarify, are you now expecting the full year 2023 to be free cash flow positive? And is that a result of the better production? Or is that comment just looking at the back half of the year?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

No, full year, we are a bit positive on today's strip.

[Kevin MacCurdy, Pickering Energy Partners]

Great. And then as a follow-up, can you maybe comment on the strategy on buyback timing? I was surprised to see you guys bought back some shares this quarter. And there certainly looks to be an opportunity with your stock now. I guess, the question is how comfortable are you buying back shares ahead of forecasted free cash flow?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

We're not comfortable in that. We -- the buyback that occurred in the second quarter, we just chose instead of issuing those shares from a tax perspective on the equity vesting, we chose this time to buy it back with our cash instead -- but typically if we don't have free cash flow generation in the quarter we're not going to be buying back any shares.

[Kevin MacCurdy, Pickering Energy Partners]

Got you. Thank you for the clarity.

[Operator]

And the next question is a follow-up from David Deckelbaum with TD Cowen. Please proceed.

[David Deckelbaum, TD Cowen]

Hey, guys. I just wanted to sneak one more in here. Just commenting back or coming around again to the balance sheet. And just curious like if internally you have explicit goals of moving towards investment grade at this point how critical you think of this moving forward especially as you think about LNG counterparties and things like that? And how you think some of the draws on the facility or how you're sourcing operations right now is informing some of the rating agencies?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. We're one upgrade away from being investment grade. We are investment grade from one of the three and one of the others were on BB+ positive watch. So and I would assume that if this commodity price deck comes to realization meaning 350 in 2024 and beyond that we will be investment grade sometime next year. So it's kind of an outcome of just where our balance sheet is and how efficient we are in our size and scale and how low our development costs are.

So -- it should come if the commodity prices hang in there. And then it would be positive for future transactions but it's not something that's required to realize our financial goals and to realize our results.

[David Deckelbaum, TD Cowen]

Thanks for fit me back in there.

[Operator]

The next question is a follow-up from Subhasish Chandra with the Benchmark Company. Please proceed.

[Subhasish Chandra, The Benchmark Company]

Yes. The land budget. Any color you can give us I think you had a strong quarter -- the quarter before. The guidance didn't change very much. I didn't have another strong quarter now. Are these really sort of last-minute opportunities? Or how do you think of the balance of the year? And then is 2024 completely unpredictable at this point?

[Michael Kennedy, Chief Financial Officer]

First, I'll talk about 2023. I think we had $75 million in the first quarter $35 million in the second our guidance is $150 million. So that would suggest $20 million a quarter and we're on that pace. I think we saw a lot of opportunities last year that we acted on. A lot of those closed in the first quarter. There was a little bit of momentum behind that as well that leaked into the second quarter.

But right now it's just your typical run rate of more like $20 million a quarter. And that's how we talk about next year and the following years we generally expect $20 million to $25 million a quarter and that's that $75 million to $100 million typical land budget that we have.

[Subhasish Chandra, The Benchmark Company]

That's helpful color. Thank you.

[Operator]

At this time there are no further questions. And now I'd like to turn the floor back over to Brendan for any closing comments.

[Brendan Krueger, Vice President-Finance]

Yes. Thank you for joining us for today's call. Please reach out with any further questions. Have a good day.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen that concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a great day.