Alpha Metallurgical Resources Inc

NYSE:AMR

Earnings Call Analysis

Increased Share Buyback Program and 2024 Guidance

The company announced an increase in its share repurchase program, ramping it up by $300 million to a new total of $1.5 billion as of October 27, 2023. For 2024, it expects to ship between 16.4 and 17.8 million tons of coal, including both metallurgical and incidental thermal. The guidance includes sales price expectations of $110 to $116 per ton, operating costs between $60 million and $66 million (excluding certain expenses), and capital expenditures anticipated to range from $210 to $240 million. Importantly, 25% of the metallurgical tonnage is committed at an average price of $161.91, with a further 49% committed yet unpriced, and 98% of incidental thermal tonnage committed at an average of $76.85.

Strategic Share Buybacks and Share Reduction

The company has made a significant move in shareholder value return by repurchasing about $940 million worth of its common stock, which equates to approximately 6.1 million shares purchased at an average of $153.90 each. More impressively, this effort has reduced the company’s outstanding share count by over 28%. With an outstanding common stock share count of approximately 13.3 million as of October 27, 2023, the board has demonstrated its bullish stance by increasing the repurchase program authorization by $300 million to a total of $1.5 billion, allowing for an additional $560 million in repurchases.

Forthcoming 2024 Expectations

The company has offered clear guidance for 2024, with anticipated shipments ranging from 16.4 to 17.8 million tons of metallurgical and incidental thermal coal—between 15.5 and 16.5 million tons being metallurgical, and 900,000 to 1.3 million tons being incidental thermal coal. Costs of coal sales are expected to fall between $110 to $116 per ton. The company intends to focus all its financial activity within the Met segment, due to the closure of its Slabcamp thermal coal mine, simplifying its business model. This shift is indicative of a purposeful transition towards concentrated operations and perhaps greater efficiencies.

Operational Cost Overview and Capital Expenditures

Operational aspects for 2024 have been outlined with specificity. Selling, general, and administrative expenses are projected to be in the range of $60 million to $66 million, which does not include non-recurring items or noncash stock compensation. The anticipated idle operations expenses range between $18 and $28 million, while the expected net cash interest income is seen at $2 million to $8 million. A notable amount of $140 million to $160 million is expected for depreciation, depletion, and amortization. Capital expenditures forecasted for 2024 are between $210 and $240 million, encompassing maintenance, mine development, and spillover from 2023.

Tax Rate Projections and Committed Sales for 2024

For tax considerations, the company anticipates a rate of 12% to 17% in the coming year. From a sales commitment standpoint, 25% of the metallurgical tonnage is locked in at an average price of $161.91, with an additional 49% also committed though not priced. The incidental thermal tonnage is nearly all accounted for, with 98% committed at an average price of $76.85 per ton.

Market Conditions and Coal Price Indices

Recent economic strains and geopolitical complications have exerted pressure on metallurgical coal markets. Notwithstanding such uncertainties, including those resulting from the Russian conflict and other global tumults, metallurgical coal indices have experienced resurgence, attributed to constrained global supply and a slow but projected increase in steel demand. Steel demand is anticipated to grow by about 2% in 2024, with developing economies picking up the pace compared to their developed counterparts. Price indices for coal have shown upward trajectories: The Australian Premium Low Volatile Index increased from $233 to $350 per metric ton over the quarter, and U.S East Coast Indices followed suit with notable ascents. These figures likely reflect the industry's underlying dynamics, with supply-side tightness and cautious optimism regarding demand paving the way forward.

Earnings Call Transcript 2023-Q3

[Operator]

Greetings, and welcome to the Alpha Metallurgical Resources Third Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Emily O'Quinn, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Communications. You may now begin.

[Emily O'Quinn, executive]

Thank you, Rob, and good morning, everyone. Before we get started, let me remind you that during our prepared remarks, our comments regarding anticipated business and financial performance contain forward-looking statements and actual results may differ materially from those discussed. For more information regarding forward-looking statements and some of the factors that can affect them, please refer to the Company's third quarter 2023 earnings release and the associated SEC filing. Please also see those documents for information about our use of non-GAAP measures and their reconciliation to GAAP measures.Participating on the call today are Alpha's Chief Executive Officer, Andy Eidson, and our President and Chief Operating Officer, Jason Whitehead. Also participating on the call are Todd Munsey, our Chief Financial Officer; and Dan Horn, our Chief Commercial Officer. With that, I'll turn the call over to Andy.

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Thanks, Emily. And good morning, everyone. Earlier today, we announced our third quarter 2023 results with adjusted EBITDA of $154 million. As we mentioned in our pre-release a few weeks ago, our Q3 results were impacted by some challenging events, including a mechanical failure at Dominion Terminal Associates. This call is the delay in vessel loading, which in turn delayed shipments and revenue. With some additional clarity into what we believe the balance of the year will hold as well as the understanding that there will be some tonnage that carries over into 2024. We tighten and lowered our shipment volume guidance for 2023.We're focused on finishing 2023 very strongly and I'm seeing evidence of this throughout the organization. Operationally across the company, our year-to-date performance against two important safety metrics TRIR and NFDL are both better than the national average. With the recent closure of Slabcamp, Alpha is a years long transition to a pure play metallurgical company is complete, and we just opened our newest metallurgical mine in October the Checkmate Powellton Mine at the well-known Elk Run complex. The Elk Run preparation plan and load-out are planned to come along early in 2024.Last week, we completed the refinance of our asset based revolving credit facility securing more favorable terms and a longer duration than the previous facility and has become standard. Our share buyback program continues executing, utilizing all of our free cash flow for the quarter.We have returned more than $940 million to stockholders in the form of buyback since the program's inception in March of 2022, with roughly $560 million left on the newly extended $1.5 billion Board authorization. Following the most recently declared dividend payout, which will occur in December the dividend program will cease and our capital return efforts will be fully focused on the repurchase program, continue to follow market conditions and cash flow levels.There are good things happening all across the company. In recent weeks, we've also worked through the budgeting and preparation process for 2024, which we expect will be another year of what Alpha has become known for. Safe production, being good stewards of the environment, creating shareholder value, returning capital, delivering outstanding customer service and challenging ourselves to raise the bar perform better than before.Based on the midpoint of next year's total shipment guidance, that we announced this morning, we have allocated roughly 25% of our overall tonnage of the domestic market on a fixed price basis. The balance will be available for export into a global map market that has demonstrated strength in recent weeks. And according to the current Australian premium low Vol futures is expected to retain strength well into next year. As those who have followed Alpha for some time will recall, we usually placed between a quarter to a third of our overall business in the domestic market, year-to-year that can fluctuate based on several decision points including market strength, pricing logistics and outlook for the coming year.We have long standing relationships with domestic customers that we look forward to continue to serve. And locking in the domestic contracts also serves our company well by so solidifying a base of business for the year. Within our 2024 guidance, we expect to spend roughly $225 million in CapEx next year, which is divided into three parts. Sustaining or maintenance CapEx is expected again measure about $10 per produce tonne, or about $171 million for the year. This amount corresponds to the volume guidance midpoint of 70.1 million tonnes. The second portion of our CapEx is development CapEx, which we expect to be about $33 million in 2024, and is the first half of development costs for the Kingston Seal project. Jason will have more to share on that later.Lastly, we assume $21 million in capital spending will be rolled over from this calendar year to the next due to timing and availability of certain equipment parts and contract labor. We also provided more information in the release on special capital needed for infrastructure and equipment upgrades at Dominion Terminal Associates, our export facility in Newport News that loads and ships the bulk of our coal to international customers.Alpha has a 65% ownership stake in DTA and together with the terminals leadership and our partner, we're assessing these and building a rough timeline for recommended improvements. Importantly, we believe the necessary improvements of DTA cannot occur over a period of time, so the facility can still be utilized while renovations occur. In terms of costs, we will continue to supply our portion of DTA as usual operating expenditures. And Alpha expects to invest in incremental $25 million in 2024 to begin this work, with the next several years likely requiring a similar annual investment. I'll now turn it over to Todd for discussion of our third quarter financial results.

[Todd Munsey, executive]

Thanks, Andy. Third quarter adjusted EBITDA was $154 million. Down from our second quarter levels $258 million dollars. We sold 4.2 million tonnes in the quarter $4.1 million of which came from our met segment and 100,000 tonnes from the all other category. Quarter-over-quarter realizations decreased for the Met segment with an average realization of $154.73 in Q3, compared to $172.51 for the second quarter. Export Met tonnes priced against Atlantic indices and other pricing mechanisms in the third quarter realized $136.76 per ton, while export coal priced on Australian indices realized $158.56. These are compared to last quarters realizations of $175.69 per ton and $159.62 respectively, which reflected a stronger coal pricing environment.Realization for our metallurgical sales and third quarter was a total weighted average of $116.43 per ton down from $176.04 per ton in the prior quarter. Realizations in the incidental thermal portion of the Met segment decreased to $92.22 per ton in Q3 as compared to $115.50 per ton in Q2 due to the lower market pricing for thermal coal. And the all other category realizations were also down as a result of the declining pricing environment for thermal coal coming in at $68.32 for the third quarter, as compared to $99.66 per ton in the second quarter.Third quarter cost of coal sales for our Met segment increased to $109.95 per ton, up from $106.35 per ton in the second quarter. Cost of coal sales in the all other category decreased quarter-over-quarter to $84.73 per ton as compared to $88.59 per ton in the second quarter 2023. SG&A excluding non-cash stock compensation and non-recurring items increased to $15.1 million in the third quarter as compared to $14 million in the second quarter. Q3 CapEx was $54.7 million roughly flat against the second quarter level of $54.9 million.Moving to the balance sheet and cash flows as of September 30, 2023, we had $296.1 million in unrestricted cash down from $312.4 million at the end of the second quarter. We had $94.1 million in unused availability on our ABL at the end of the quarter. Alpha had total liquidity of $390.1 million as of the end of September, which is net of $102 million in share repurchases during the quarter. By comparison, total liquidity at the end of the second quarter was $405.5 million.Cash provided by operating activities decreased quarter-over-quarter to $157.2 million in Q3 as compared to $317.2 million in Q2. As of September 30, our ABL facility had no borrowings and $60.9 million of letters of credit outstanding, unchanged from the prior quarter. The company has successfully completed the refinancing of its asset based revolving credit facility, which was previously set to expire in December 2024. On October 27, 2023, the company terminated its then existing ABL agreement and entered into a new facility that matures in October of 2027. With regions bank as the administrative agent and lead arranger, along with service first bank and Texas capital bank serving as joint lead arrangers.The new ABL facility allows the company to borrow cash or obtain letters of credit on a revolving basis up to $155 million. Under the terms of the agreement, interest on letters of credit will be 3.25%. As part of the transition from the previous ABL facility to the new ABL facility, the company temporarily collateralized outstanding LCs with approximately $62.8 million in cash and expects to replace this cash collateral with new LCs under the new ABL facility prior to year-end. We are pleased to close on the ABL refinancing and to secure more favorable terms and a longer duration than our prior facility, all of which benefits the company and further strengthens our financial position.Turning now to our committed position for the year 88% of our metallurgical tonnage in our met segment is committed in price at the midpoint of guidance and an average price of $182.08. Another 12% of our 2023 Met tonnage is committed but not yet priced, meaning we are fully committed for the rest of the year at the midpoint of guidance. The thermal byproduct portion of the Met segment is 100% committed and priced at the midpoint of guidance at an average price of $102.45. And we are 95% committed in price for this year and are all other category with an average price of $92.23.Alphas Board had declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.50 per share, which will become payable on December 15 for holders of record as of December 1. Following this payment, the dividend program will cease in order to focus our capital return efforts on the buyback program. Pursuant to our share repurchase program, we repurchased roughly 545,000 shares at a cost of $102 million in the third quarter of 2023. Since the beginning of the program, we have spent approximately $940 million to acquire roughly 6.1 million shares of Alphas common stock at a weighted average price of $153.90 per share. The outstanding share count has been reduced by more than 28% from the time the program began.As of October 27, 2023, the number of common stock shares outstanding was approximately $13.3 million. The board recently increased its repurchase program authorization by $300 million to a total authorization of $1.5 billion, up from the previous level of $1.2 billion. This increase permits approximately $560 million in additional repurchases.Looking ahead to 2024. We issued guidance for the coming year which includes the expectation of shipping between 15.5 and 16.5 million tons of metallurgical coal, as well as between 900,000 and 1.3 million tons of incidental thermal coal. Together this ranks total anticipated shipment guidance to a range of 16.4 million to 17.8 million tons.With the closure of Slabcamp as planned, we expect all our financial activity to be reported within the Met segment going forward. So the all other category does not appear in our 2024 guidance. In terms of call to coal sales expectations, we are guiding to a range of $110 to $116 per ton. The 2024 guidance range for selling general administrative costs $60 million to $66 million excluding non-recurring expenses and noncash stock compensation. Idle operations expenses anticipated to be between $18 and $28 million. The company expects net cash interest income of between $2 million to $8 million and depreciation depletion and amortization between $140 million and $160 million.Capital expenditures for 2024 are expected to be between $210 and $240 million which includes sustaining maintenance capital, planned projects to invest in mine development, and some carryover from 2023, due to timing and availability of supplies and contract labor. In connection with expected capital investments at DTA, we are also guiding to a 2024 range of $40 million to $50 million for capital contributions to equity affiliates. The cash contribution range includes both the expected cash needed for normal operations of the facility of approximately $20 million, along with the amounts expected to be spent in 2024 related to facility upgrades of approximately $25 million.Lastly, the company expects a tax rate of between 12% and 17% next year. In terms of our committed and price position for 2024 our metallurgical tonnage at the midpoint of guidance is 25% committed at an average price of $161.91 with another 49% committed and unpriced. The incidental thermal tonnage at the midpoint of guidance is already 98% committed at an average price of $76.85. The remaining 2% at the midpoint of incidental thermal guidance is uncommitted.I'll now turn the call over to Jason for some details on operations.

[Jason Whitehead, executive]

Thanks, Tom. Good morning, everyone. As we've spoken about in previous calls, our last remaining thermal coal mine Slabcamp has mined out and idled, which completed our transition to a pure play metallurgical coal company. Much of the workforce at Slabcamp transition to our new rolling Thunder mine which provided a seamless transition for the workforce, and that mine is now fully staffed.Additionally, in late October, we celebrated the first development cuts at Checkmate Powelton, our newest mine. Checkmate is located in Boone County, West Virginia, and produces auto coal within our Midwest Virginia underground region. We're looking-forward to getting this mine up to a full run rate and completing enhancements on the Elk Run preparation plant, which is currently undergoing renovations, and will come online to service this month, likely near the end of the year or early in January of 2024.As we look ahead to 2024 with the issue of guidance today, you'll see that anticipated coal to coal sales come in between $110 to $116 per ton, which reflects the recently implemented investments we made an employee wages and benefits as well as some lingering inflationary pressure in supplies or maintenance. We've discussed most of these areas on prior calls. And while we're no longer seeing such significant spikes in material costs, like we did in the last 18 months or so, we are still experiencing some inflation as contracts renew and with superior supplies for the coming year on materials and services, such as repairs, roof support, and mining supplies.Despite the tight labor market challenging our ability to achieve planned level volumes we have continued to perform at or above planned levels of clean tons per labor hour and our operations. We have budgeted to maintain the higher levels of investment in our workforce through wages and benefits as we navigate this extremely tight labor market and work hard to retain and attract the best and brightest miners to the Alpha Team.Late in August, we made wage and incentive adjustments to achieve competitive compensation packages. Since such adjustments, we've made large strides towards fully staffed levels and I'm seeing measurable improvement in our staffing data with a reduced turnover rate and increased hiring figures.Lastly, I'm excited to provide a preview of our Kingston underground mine, that is and has been in our planning stages for quite some time. We budgeted funds in the development section of our CapEx guidance to start laying the groundwork for this month throughout the 2024 calendar year.Kingston will be located in Fayette County, West Virginia, as part of part of our Midwest Virginia surface region and will produce a low volatile product. We'll start with sites development anticipated to begin early in 2024 and slope excavation to start in late 2024. We expect demand on the first development production cuts in late 2025. We will share additional information about coal as the work progresses. I'll turn to call over to Dan now for some additional information on the Coal markets.

[Daniel Horn, executive]

Thanks, Jason. Good morning everyone in recent months have brought about continued economic pressures in many areas of the world, as well as intensified geopolitical conflicts, all of which influence metallurgical coal markets. Continuing effects of the Russian war, recessionary pressures and high interest environments have resulted in muted world manufacturing output, new orders and employment levels. And in the case of Europe, specifically, worsening conditions for regions already stalled in a significant downturn.The uncertainty around the depth of China's economic challenges and the escalating conflict and violence in the Middle East are additional challenges affecting the stability of the global economic landscape. Despite these factors metallurgical coal indices have strengthened in recent months amid tight supply conditions globally, and the expectation of slow but increasing steel demand. For the world steel associations latest short-range outlook, 2024 steel demand is expected to rise by roughly 2% over 2023, levels, with developing economies projected to increase growth at a faster pace than advanced economies, especially developed nations hindered by high interest rates and geopolitical impacts.After a slight softening of metallurgical Coal indices in the early part of the third quarter 2023. Each of the four indices offered closely monitors began moving upward in mid-August, and it continued to show strength through the rest of the quarter and through October. The Australian Premium Low Volatile Index jumped from $233 per metric ton at the start of the quarter to $333 per ton, on September 30.The U.S East Coast Low Volatile Index increased from $227 per metric ton at the beginning of July to $258 per metric ton at the end of the quarter. The U.S East Coast High Volatile Index moved up from $216 per metric ton at the start of the third quarter to $288 per metric tons at the end of September.Lastly, the U.S East Coast High Volatile B Index increased from $206 per metric ton on July1, to $238 per metric ton on September 30. As of October 31, the U.S East Coast indices of Low Vol, High Vol A and High Vol B indices measured to $260 $280 and $238 per ton respectively. The Australian Premium Low Vol index has increased from its quarter close level to $350 per metric ton on the same day. The thermal Coal market the API2 index moved from $119.05 per metric ton on July 1, to $128.05 per metric ton as of the end of the third quarter. Most recent reports show the index remaining roughly flat against third quarter close levels with the API2 $119.80 as of October 31.Turning to our outlook for next year, we previously announced the outcome of our successful domestic negotiations and the commitment of roughly a quarter of our 2024 business to domestic customers we're delivering next year, the balance of our shipments will be available for export into international markets. Despite some signs of instability and economic weakness across the globe, metallurgical coal indices remain strong, likely due to demand expectations and sustained tight supply conditions. Lastly, you've heard a lot about the capital needs at DTA. But I'm also pleased to say that it is performing very well. And October was a record month of throughput for Alpha at the facility. We are grateful to the team there for safely achieving this new record.Looking ahead, we're excited about the capital improvement plan being developed by the partners and DTA leadership. Over the coming years we expect to invest in the strategic asset to solidify its important role in our sales and logistics framework and enhance its ability to maximize future efficiency and throughput. And with that operator we are now ready to open the call for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Lucas Pipes with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

Hey, thank you so much, operator. Good morning, everyone. And for different time I want to ask you how you came up with the name checkmate, but to turn to more serious questions to start, can you tell us a little bit maybe Dan is best for you. What drives the split between Australian links and other pricing mechanisms? Is that kind of determined at this time as you commit tons for next year? Or is that something that evolves over the course of a year and to what extent? And as your outlook for 2024 shapes up, where would you expect that split to be? Thank you.

[Daniel Horn, executive]

Good morning, Lucas. Yes, I think the short answer your question is the demand will drive it as well as the price will follow the best we'll look for the best economic opportunities for Alpha. But we have a lot of demand for long term customers in Asia, South Asia and East Asian markets that are linked to the BLV and will continue to pursue those opportunities. And as you know, that's where a lot of the metallurgical coal demand is and is expected to be in the future. So it's pretty obvious why we're there and where we expect te growth.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

Got it. So as it relates to 2024, sure. So that split off Australian linked indices go up relative to this year?

[Daniel Horn, executive]

Yes, at the moment, that's tough to say. But if you if you're this remains a little bit slower, then it's probably likely that what's roughly a third, a third, a third. It, I suppose it's reasonable to think that the Aussie link price percentage would increase.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

That's very helpful. Thank you. Thank you, Dan, for that color. And Dan maybe to stay with you for another question. Couple crosscurrents in the market. Today, you comment on that in your prepared remarks. But if you look at your crystal ball for met coal pricing and the level of interest, you're seeing, what you see as some of the biggest puts and takes into year end? Thank you.

[Daniel Horn, executive]

Look, supply remains tight for a variety of reasons the you see vessels, use in Australia starting to grow slightly, you see some the U.S growing, so that'll probably keep the supply side a little tight. Demand in Asia is good, particularly in India, we still see new opportunities there. And from the -- speak to the Alpha perspective, we're still shipping our contract business into Q4 at high levels. And as we mentioned, we had a strong October at DTA. We're seeing good demand and good shipping levels.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

Very helpful. Thank you, Dan. And then my final question on the CapEx and DTA, side. So first on DTA. The simplest way to kind of think about it, correct me if I'm wrong, is $150 million in capital spent split over six years that $150 million? That's really, what's incremental? That's question one. And then question two, in terms of the capital guidance for 2024, the $210 million to $240 million, should we think of that amount as a reasonable baseline going forward? Or is it maybe a little bit more lumpy capital in there as well? Thank you very much.

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Hey, Luke, is it Andy. I'll ask or I'll answer your second question first, as far as capital. Unless we see some significant changes in the cost of materials, I think our $10 per ton on sustaining will probably stay in that zip code. So, 170 to 180ish, for that portion over the next in the near term, the question on any additional development capital, so we're going to have the first half roughly the first half of Kingston in ‘24, the back half will be in ‘25. So the next couple of years probably looks relatively similar to this year, plus or minus the inclusion of any carryover capital is not spam.But, if you're looking at it in the totality of two or three-year view. Yes, it's probably going to be in the zip code, at least until we get through the development project there. Getting back to DTA. Yes, I think your message is correct. And again, let me be clear, DTA has not approved this budget yet for 2024. So there's still some movement that could happen there. This is kind of what Alphas estimate of what's going on what will need to be spent in in concert with the DTA leadership and what they have, the engineering they've been working through. So I think quantum wise is definitely that zip code, but we'll have to as we get further into the process, we'll see more specifically and precision is not what we're going for. But I think accuracy is probably in line with that.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

Thank you, Andy. And for the avoidance of doubt that $150 million would be kind of separate from the capital needs that you just discussed.

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

That's right.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

In addition to, rather.

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Yes, it's quote, unquote, CapEx, but because it goes through our equity, earnings and JV, it's a separate line out. And so we try to keep gardens and actual reported numbers on a similar basis. So we don't confuse buckets.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

Perfect. And that guidance of $40 to $50 million for capital contribution to affiliates. That just really includes the OpEx that you pay year in year out as you ship through the terminal, right?

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

That's correct. And that's just been that's a standard thing that's been in the numbers, since we've been in DTA. It's always a challenge trying to get that presented in a way that makes it more apparent to the public. But I think we've, we've got a pretty good handle on it now as far as how we're disclosing it.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

Very clear. I really appreciate all the color and Andy to you and team. Best of luck.

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Thank you, Lucas.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Nathan Martin with Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

[Nathan Martin, analyst]

Maybe just one more on DTA. The money you guys are going be spending over the next several years. Is that mainly just to refurbish? Or is there also an opportunity there to kind of improve operations or throughput capacity?

[Daniel Horn, executive]

Yes. How's that for an answer Nate? So you start with a nameplate capacity, while we're talking about wouldn't necessarily increase true capacity, but thinking of it more from capacity that's been lost by the various mechanical interruptions and issues over the past couple of years. That's how we're thinking of it. Because it's simply not, it's not able to run at its at its potential right now. So the money spent, while it's not expanding, nameplate capacity, I think it will allow us to recover some capacity that has been lost over the past couple of years, just because of the different issues that have come on.

[Nathan Martin, analyst]

Can you put numbers around that, Andy? Like remind me what nameplate is, and maybe kind of where you are today then?

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Well, I hate to I can't throw numbers at it again, because we don't have the plans completely nailed down. We do have several processes we have to work through on how we're exactly approaching it. And also, it varies depending on how stockpiles are utilized, whether you're just pushing coal out straight out of rail cars into a boat, whether you're, any whether you got any kind of deviation between med or thermal coal. So there are a lot of variables go into play as to what the true throughput capacity could be. But suffice it to say, getting all the pieces refurb and repaired will make it run much more effectively and efficiently than it currently is.

[Nathan Martin, analyst]

Got it. Okay, that's fair. And maybe just one other question on the near term. I think Andy, you mentioned in your prepared remarks. The expectation of carryover, some funds into 2024. So, how should we think about fourth quarter med coal shipments, maybe at least directionally from the third quarter? Or maybe another way to look at it? What kind of gets you guys to the high end or the low end for your guidance?

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Doggone it, Nate. You hit me with this question at least every other quarter and always struggle to answer it because we hate to deal with the unknown we just saw a quarter where we ran into some issues that didn't allow us to hit our potential. Right now we're off to a really good start for the fourth quarter. I think I'll probably just have to guide you to look at our year to date numbers and take that off of where we landed on guidance, our revised guidance number. I think we have a pretty high confidence level in kind of hitting down the fairway you have that delta for the fourth quarter.

[Nathan Martin, analyst]

Okay, got it. So I mean, kind of down the midpoint, we'll get you maybe roughly flattish quarter-over-quarter, if that's if my math is close. So, right. Maybe then just shifting to ‘24 guidance. Starting again on the shipment side of things $16 million tons in the midpoint. I think that's up about $0.5 million tons versus your original ‘23 guidance, you talked about another mine coming online, right now, maybe that's driving a little bit of that, maybe improved logistics. Are you guys comfortable maintaining that roughly $16 million ton level of sales kind of looking farther out in the market demand remain supportive. And then are you having any success entering some new markets are sending initial cargoes to new customers at this point?

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Yes, I'll defer to Dan on the second part of that Nat. But on the first part, yes, I think we're pretty comfortable. And again, this will vacillate this, we're not locked into $60 million tons or $50 million tons or $70 million tons, it'll move as the portfolio develops over time. But I think we're pretty comfortable in this area, that we're in plus or minus $0.5 million tons, either any direction for the, for the time being. Second part, Dan?

[Daniel Horn, executive]

Yes, sure. And Nat, I'll just add that yes, that, the increase is do we have two relatively new coal mines effectively, we have the rolling Thunder Mine, which started earlier this year. And now, the Checkmate, so we've added High Vol met production, and we've eliminated the now we don't produce the Slabcamp thermal. So some of that is just a switch from thermal to med. And yeah, we're comfortable that this this coal fine markets, primarily the new markets would be in Europe, we're still delivering trial shipments to several new customers in Asia, and expect to do more in 2024.

[Nathan Martin, analyst]

That's great. And so, Dan, appreciate that. And maybe with those two new mines, could you talk about what your quality mix might look like? If it differs much from the chart, I think you guys usually have in your deck?

[Daniel Horn, executive]

Just broadly speaking, is just feel a little more high vol, I guess we have to call it an A or B, it's probably more on the high vol B side. So maybe increasing the high vol piece of that pie a little bit.

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Yes. And I think as Nat as a percentage, if you're looking at the pie chart that we have in our investor deck, when it's time to get it squared away for ‘23ish numbers, I don't think it's going to look very different than to Dan's point, and may flex up one or 1% or 2%, until high vol. But it's going to look really similar. With no, I don't think there'll be any kind of material changes until we do get closer to ‘25 when Kingston brings more low vol into the mix.

[Nathan Martin, analyst]

Got it. Perfect guys. And then one more if I could, going back to ‘24 guidance, and specifically for the met segment cost per tonne guidance. I think the implication there is up about $2.50 year-over-year just using guidance midpoints. Different color and prepared remarks there, I think some of its labor with your new agreements you put in place in August, anything else kind of driving that uptick? And then maybe what net prices are you guys assuming for that $110, $116 range? Thanks.

[Daniel Horn, executive]

I'll do the second part first, now let Jason give his thoughts on cost movements. As usual, and we go through the budget, we like to inform, what we plug in for costs is, usually a kind of an amalgam of what the market research folks show for the 2024. And we like to -- we also kind of outside again, where the futures are, this year, there's a pretty sizable disconnect between where those are, at least with the front half of the season, the back half of the year.So we kind of had to use a little bit of judgment there. But we do tend a bit more towards the conservative when we set up our budget, so I would say we're closer to the market research folks' numbers then the futures as far as for utilization for budget purposes. But, Jason, if you got some more thoughts on cost.

[Jason Whitehead, executive]

At the monocytes you I think you said you understood the labor and that's just a function of shoring up our ability to make the volume. As we mentioned, we've been productive with the labor we have, but it's just about loading the mines up and producing at $16 million tonnes. But on the other side, I mean, we're still in the middle of contract negotiations with various vendors. Some are complete, some are ongoing and there's still a few to top by the end of the year. So I think the escalators that were used in the budget year-over-years just kind of a weighted average of all those materials prices.

[Nathan Martin, analyst]

Great appreciate all the color and the time guys. Best of luck in the fourth quarter.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question is from Lucas pipes with the Riley Security. Please proceed with your question. Lucas, you're live with our speakers. Lucas, are you muted?

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

So my first one is on the transportation side, I think there's typically like a one quarter lag in terms of price adjustment, or rather cost adjustments to the transportation costs with the index. So I wondered if you could speak to that for Q4. And then more broadly with where prices are today? Where would you expect transportation costs to be? Any other considerations to take into account for 2024, be it inflationary pressures et cetera? Thank you.

[Daniel Horn, executive]

Well, Lucas, you're correct on what you said about there's a component that the transportation rates do largely move for the seaborne shipments, they move with the indices, so and they do have a lag. So that's right. So as the market moves up, behind it, our real costs move up. Going forward, we're still in negotiations for next year's rail, or with our rail provider. So I really don't want to comment any more about next year at this time.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

Got it. So maybe a little bit of a benefit Q4. And then with the stronger pricing today that would then lead to higher transportation costs early 2024. And then the broader discussion, we'll just have to stay tuned?

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Yes, that's directionally correct, Lucas. Yes.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

Okay, thank you for that. And then a follow up to the volume discussion. For 2025, should we expect higher volumes with the new mines coming online?

[Daniel Horn, executive]

Well, Lucas, how about we, we table that question until this time next year, and I'll have a budget to talk to you. If I start trying to opine on that, and Todd's will smack me. So we'll just because we do we've got we've got depletion of other mines, we got other actions we need to take into consideration. So I'd hate to give guidance to anything, when it's premature.

[Lucas Pipes, analyst]

Got it. Okay. Well, I appreciate it. I will probably try asking it again before this time next year, but I appreciate it and again, best of luck.

[Operator]

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Andy Eidson for closing remarks.

[Andy Eidson;President, executive]

Well, thanks again for joining us today and for your interest in Alpha and we hope you have a great rest of the day rest of the week and everyone please take care.

[Operator]

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