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Earnings Call Transcript
2025-Q2

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to The Sukhjit Starch & Chemicals Limited Q2 and H1 FY '25 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Aman Setia. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

A
Aman Setia
executive

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of the Sukhjit Group, I Aman Setia, Senior VP, Finance and Company Secretary of The Sukhjit Starch & Chemicals Limited, extend a very warm welcome to all of you for joining us for today's con call to discuss our Q2 and FY '25 results. We truly value your ongoing support and commitment. We want to assure all our current and prospective investors that we are dedicated to achieve strong operational and financial performance.

During the quarter, the company has announced a stock split, that is a subdivision of the existing equity shares of the company having face value of INR 10 each to face value of INR 5 each. This will enhance the liquidity of company shares and create value for the shareholders. I trust you have reviewed our Q2 H1 FY '25 financial results, which are available on the stock exchange as well as on our website.

Today, joining us from the management team are Mr. Kuldip Sardana, Senior VP and CEO; and Mr. Rakesh Chawla, Senior VP and CFO. For a detailed overview of our financial performance, I will hand over now to our CFO, Mr. Rakesh Chawla.

R
Rakesh Chawla
executive

Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Setia. I am delighted to welcome all our stakeholders to today's call. I would like to provide a detailed summary of our financial results for the second quarter and first half year financial year '25.

In the second quarter, our revenue from operations reached INR 363.87 crores, demonstrating a remarkable 13% increase compared to the previous year. This significant growth reflects our ability to leverage market opportunities effectively. Our EBITDA was recorded at INR 32.11 crores. Regarding our net profit, we achieved INR 16.83 crores as profit before tax and INR 12.63 as profit after tax during the quarter.

Looking at our half year results. Our revenue from operations stood at INR 753.70 crores, showcasing a substantial year-on-year growth of 17%. Our EBITDA for the period was INR 64.15 crores and profit before tax was INR 35.0 crores. Our financial -- on financial front, our long-term debt has reduced to around INR 79 crores with a very low net debt to equity ratio of 0.14.

Now for operational performance, I will now turn the call over to Mr. Kuldip.

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Thank you, Mr. Chawla. I'm excited to announce that this quarter, our revenue from operations reached INR 363.87 crores, marking a healthy 13% increase compared to the same quarter last year. This substantial growth is a testament to our enhanced sales volumes and the effectiveness of our strategic and operational initiatives.

In the quarter ending September 2024, our company has expertly navigated a challenging landscape marked by pricing pressures, limited availability of raw materials. Despite these obstacles, we continue to experience healthy demand across our markets. The evolving demand of FMCG sector, coupled with the growing needs in the pharma sector, has significantly contributed to expansion of our...

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Operator

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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for patiently holding. We have the management line back on the call.

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Hello. I'll begin my remarks again. I'm excited to announce that the quarter, our revenue from operations reached INR 363.87 crores, marking an increase of 13% compared to the same quarter last year. This substantial growth is a testament to our enhanced sales volumes and the attractiveness of our strategic and operational initiatives.

In the quarter ending September 2024, our company has expertly navigated a challenging landscape marked by pricing pressures and the limited availability of raw materials. Despite these obstacles, we continue to experience healthy demand across our markets. The evolving demand of FMCG sector, coupled with the growing need in the pharma sector, has significantly contributed to expansion of our market. Additionally, as India embraces sustainable and eco-friendly solutions, maize starch is emerging as a leading renewable and biodegradable material.

Notably, we have managed to sustain our margins despite pressures from rising raw material prices and its unavailability. We are also seeing a resurgence in rural demand and promising growth opportunities within the paper and textile segments. These dynamics reinforce our confidence in achieving further improvements in both revenue and volume. With increased demand for maize as a raw material, not only for human consumption but also for power generation to support this demand, government is encouraging maize cultivation and crop diversification to benefit all industrial users.

Our expansion is on track with results from partial commissioning expected to begin in Q3, strategically positioning us for future growth. We are also committed to refining our product portfolio and improving our operating margins.

Looking ahead, we are actively exploring various avenues for growth as mentioned earlier, we are...

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we have lost the management line connection. Please stay connected while we reconnect them. Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for patiently holding. We have the management line back on the call.

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Yes, I think there's a system error, not a telecom error. Anyway, I'll mention the last point I was making.

We are considering both greenfield projects and acquisition of existing brownfield facilities, carefully assessing market conditions and conducting thorough internal evaluations to take decisions. This strategic approach to expansion is designed to facilitate sustained volume growth and bolster our competitive position within the maize processing industry.

In conclusion, we are confident in the promising trajectory and future prospects of Sukhjit Starch & Chemicals Limited. Our dedication to long-term value creation, strategic initiatives and disciplined financial management positions us well for continued growth.

With a strong foundation and forward-looking strategy, we are exceptionally positioned to seize emerging opportunities and drive sustainable growth in the coming years. Our commitment to innovation, quality and customer satisfaction remains at the core of our success, ensuring we create lasting value for our stakeholders.

With this, I open the forum for any questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Madhur Rathi from Counter Cyclical Investments.

M
Madhur Rathi
analyst

Sir, in last quarter, we had mentioned that we can bridge the gap between us and the industry leader by better setting of our capacities as well as capacity expansion. So there's 1%, 2% of margin gap. So please can you explain how can we reach that like better setting of capacity, how can you utilize our capacities better as well as what percentage would come from the economies of scale in this context?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

So it's an ever evolving -- it's an evolving situation. You can see that there's been a considerable jump -- 13% jump in sales for the quarter as compared to the previous year. So that is due to some expansion which came online, and some more will happen. Alongside that, when we look at the larger expansions to also come in, I'm not talking about the expansions we are on the cusp of completion.

But if you look at a greenfield or a brownfield, so that would add -- especially a greenfield would add -- we will be considering a large capacity addition, which would be energy efficient which would be -- which would have all the benefits of economies of scale. And that would accrue towards lowering our overall cost. And that would give us industry benchmark -- the best in industry benchmarking for margins, et cetera. We would be going nearer that. I hope that answers your question.

M
Madhur Rathi
analyst

Yes, sir. So I can expect that the majority of improvement that will come in our margin towards the industry leader would be from the new 1,000 tonnes per day capacity that we are planning. Is that correct?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

It can be 1,000 tonnes, it can be a variable quantity, depending on the product mix we decide for the location.

M
Madhur Rathi
analyst

Okay. Got it, sir. Sir, I wanted to understand how much -- how many months of inventory do we carry on our books. And I think as maize prices are increasing, can you expect the margin improvement due to inventory gains in H2 of this year?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, we carry about -- again, if we see a stability in pricing, we -- and if we see a forward-looking increase, we tailor our inventory management accordingly. For now, we are looking to be between 2 to 3 months of inventory management, maybe we extend to 4 months also.

M
Madhur Rathi
analyst

Okay. And sir, then you expect some kind of margin improvement from this over the H2?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Yes, that -- we are expecting that with certain extra capacity of products and debottlenecking which we are on the cusp of completion, if that happens, we are hopeful that margin expansion will happen. But again, it's -- we are hopeful and that's the effort. Let's see how the next quarter plays out.

M
Madhur Rathi
analyst

Okay, sir. Got it. Sir, just a final few questions. Sir, what percentage sir, we highlighted that the FMCG and pharma sectors are giving us a market expansion or addressable market expansion in our base portfolio. Sir, so what percentage of our products or the revenue would come from these value-added segments versus the commoditized segments?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

We don't share that data. It's confidential in nature. But it is safe to assume that our focus has been for -- in particular for our company, in addressing gaps which were not there. And there were certain gaps in the -- in our FMCG and pharma strategy which we are -- where we are leveraging our locations to address these gaps.

M
Madhur Rathi
analyst

Okay. Sir, just a final question, sir. Our competitor, Gujarat Ambuja, sir, they can import the GMO corn in the [indiscernible] area and they can export, sir. So the new capacity that we are planning, sir, are we planning on the similar lines? As well as, sir, are there any plans for further forward integration into corn or starch derivatives, like the fermentation derivatives that the competitor is doing?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

So I'm not aware of Gujarat Ambuja fermentation production or the status of it. But we are well aware of the number of products which we can manufacture prospectively from maize. Fermentation is a very broad term, and the market for fermentable products is huge. I'm sure the competition has done their diligence. And it's -- the technology is available. We are aware of where to go and get the technology. So if there is a market case for it, if there is a market for it in India, our company would not shy away because it is directly related to our business.

As far as import of maize is concerned, for any greenfield or as we think that opportunity also exists for at least 2 of our units, so that benefit is there for us also as compared to our competition. And any new unit we set up or any greenfield project we look at or any brownfield we consider, we will look at all sustainable avenues for raw material security.

M
Madhur Rathi
analyst

Okay, sir. Sir, so any plans or if you can just -- are there any sort of broad outlook of what kind of -- this 1,000 tonnes per day, what kind of expansion are we planning or in what terms are you planning this expansion right now?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Pardon?

M
Madhur Rathi
analyst

Sir, 1,000 tonnes per day expansion that we are planning going forward. Sir, so I wanted to understand, has there been any broad understanding? Because you said that in last quarter, there would be a concrete plan in the next 3 to 4 months. So that's what I'm asking regarding.

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Yes. So there are certain variables which we are evaluating, and we want to take a decision on a firm footing. So we are a little bit away from that -- for that decision. As far as our intent is concerned, our intent is not there. But being a responsible corporate, the timeline may have to extend because we are unable to lock in on an existing location or on a new site. So the process of elimination is on and it's taking a little bit longer.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Shivkumar Prajapati from Ambit Investment Advisors.

S
Shivkumar Prajapati
analyst

During the last quarter, you had mentioned that there are potential plant shutdown in China. So just want to understand, like what's the recent development over there? And we were also targeting some international markets like Malaysia, Indonesia and Africa. So could you please share like what all reasons -- regions we are targeting?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

So we are looking at the Southeast Asian market. We are -- we have started our export journey, although small but that effort is on. And we've achieved some very initial success, small success, and we are hopeful that it will turn into something bigger. As far as the Chinese starch industry is concerned, I'm not very well qualified, and I don't remember making a statement that their plants were shut. There are certain limitations on them in terms of how they operate. But I can't comment beyond that.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Kumar Saurabh from Scientific Investing.

K
Kumar Saurabh
analyst

So my first question is the current 1,600 TPD, what is the utilization? And the proposed 400 TPD extension, how we are looking at capacity utilization plan, when it will get fully utilized and what is the asset turn it will work on?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

So we are looking at -- presently, we are at about 85% utilization. And going forward, we should be -- we will try to go up to 90%. Because this is the beauty of the small expansion which is available to us, that which -- what we are doing is kind of a debottlenecking. It is akin to adding a large capacity, but at a fraction of the cost. We are nearly complete with our efforts. And this debottlenecking will bring us as close to 90%.

K
Kumar Saurabh
analyst

Okay. And when we'll be able to utilize this 2,000 TPD fully?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

So I said that in our opening remarks that by Q3, the full thing should start happening. And by, I think, Q4, we should be fully receiving the benefits or starting to receive the benefits in Q4.

K
Kumar Saurabh
analyst

Okay, okay. And sir, I'm new to the company, so I was looking at history. And somewhere between FY '12 to FY '18, though we grew on sales, the profit remained flat because of the margins contracting. And we are seeing a similar cycle where we are almost at the similar margin where we were in FY '18. So my question is around what happened and during those 6 years, why the profit and the margins couldn't grow? And do you see similar -- being an industry expert, do you see something similar in this cycle repeating?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, what happened in FY '12, '16, India's base of consumption manufacturing, everything was low. The base effect, if you take that forward to today and the way the government is trying to grow the economy, and I'm talking about the macroeconomics of it. If the way that is going to happen, I think companies such as ourselves which are enablers for all the brands in the market, we are partnering them in the market of -- it's the Nestle's, ITCs, Dabur, the QSRs, if they grow, the quick commerce grows, I think our business is also going to grow at the same pace or the way the demographic dividend goes into lifestyle or what is normal for the middle class.

What is essential for the middle class becomes aspirational for the bottom of the pyramid. So as that happens, I think with money in the pocket and UPI, I think consumption story is going to be good for the country, and companies such as ours should benefit. So yes, these are tailwinds which are positive tailwinds. Minor headwinds do happen. And I allude to headwinds of probably raw material pricing pressure. India is at the cusp of -- at a tipping point of growing more maize. And this whole demand versus supply for the time being is affecting profit margins of our industry as well as -- I mean, I'm sure of my competition also is feeling the pinch of maize pricing. So this should ease out better.

K
Kumar Saurabh
analyst

Okay. And sir, there was one mention of food park. And I think we are not pursuing it anymore. So what is the role of these food parks and why we are not pursuing this opportunity now?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, I think you may have misunderstood it. Our food park is fully operational. All assets, et cetera, are being used. We don't see a need for a food park for our business at -- or a new food park for our business or as a business expansion scenario for us specifically. So we are looking at focusing on our maize derivatives business. We've seen the growth over the last few quarters. And going ahead, our focus -- our immediate focus in the short to medium term is on growing our maize processing business in our existing plants. And as I had mentioned, we are considering expanding. So whether it's a greenfield or a brownfield, it would be maize processing based only.

K
Kumar Saurabh
analyst

Okay. And sir, last question, and I don't want the exact number because of competitive reasons. But in terms of sectors like FMCG or pharma, where are our broad bigger exposures? Which are our like top 3 sectors? And if you can give a band also, that would be fine.

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, we have 4 locations and we have varying capacities across locations. And we've had to forgo relationships with the blue chip customers, if I may use that term. And the blue chip customers in our proximity to our locations could be in paper, textile, pharma, FMCG. So we foregone certain relationships because we did not have the capacity. Now when we are on the capacity-adding journey, product-wise or the basic grind-wise, we are adding those. So we are adding what we deemed to be profitable. It may not be that the A sector is better than the B sector. We have seen what is better for our unit. So we are growing accordingly. And because of that strategy, the ratio keeps on changing.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Keshav Garg from Counter Cyclical Investments.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Sir, I just wanted a clarification. Sir, our current installed capacity is 1,600 TPD, which if I understand correctly, in -- by the fourth quarter, it will go to 2,000 TPD. Sir, is that understanding correct?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Yes.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

And sir, how soon can we ramp up this whole capacity of 2,000 TPD?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

How can we ramp up? We have already ramping up. We've been saying -- working on it for the last few quarters and we are on the final leg of completion. Some results have started coming in, as you can see from our sales increase this quarter. And going forward, those results would accrue slowly and slowly. And by Q4, the entire play of the capacity expansion would be in play and Q1 would be -- would see the full effect.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Sir, so by first quarter of FY '26. Sir, on a year-on-year, sir, what -- sir, will we see 25% increase in the sales volume?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

We are hoping that the sales volume increases by that much, yes. Again, it is a factor of many conditions -- market conditions, et cetera, that will decide. We -- our company focuses more on profitable sales. So we look at what is -- if you need to conserve maize, maybe towards -- to take it forward to the next quarter. And if we don't see margin accretive sales, we may stop and change our product mix, and that may impact overall top line. But yes, the higher volume is available to us.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Right, sir. And sir, what is the price of maize? Currently, sir, I understand it has decreased to around INR 21 kg, sir, is that understanding correct?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

If you are getting it, I'm sure you can sell it to me also. But I'm not -- it's INR 21 is not the price. The price at the growing market is between INR 22.75 to INR 23.50, depending on -- that's the average price, ballpark price is close to INR 23, INR 23.50.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Okay, sir. Sir, so on a quarter-on-quarter basis, sir, has the maize price come down or gone up? Or is it stable?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, it's too a broader term. These prices have been fluctuating. We are -- when you look at what happens in terms of India, the crop distribution between Rabi and Kharif. So we are at the -- we crossed Rabi. So price goes up after Rabi goes -- Rabi gets consumed and before Kharif comes in. So naturally, there has been a price increase in that period. But now since Kharif has come in, prices stabilized to what Rabi crop was towards the end.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Right, sir. And sir, what's our average replacement CapEx per annum that we need to incur to maintain our facilities and infrastructure?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

It again varies. So if you see, we've spent about INR 25 crores to INR 30 crores on CapEx this year for debottlenecking, and we do about INR 25 crores -- we did about INR 35 crores to INR 40 crores in the previous year, I think. And that's the figure if I remember correctly. So replacement CapEx, we are is not that high as compared to, say, a textile industry or someone else. But again, it depends on how we are wanting to do. But it's not very high. So it would again vary. There's too many variables on it for me to say. But I will not be able to give you an exact figure. Maybe you can send an e-mail if you want an exact figure, and I can come back to you on it. But rest assured in our inventory is not very high.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Sure, sir. Sir, so beyond this 2,000 TPD capacity, sir, is there further scope for debottlenecking? Or we'll have to go for a greenfield expansion?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

There will be minor scope for debottlenecking in terms of this thing. But our sites has adequate land. We can add a greenfield on an existing site or go to a brand-new location. So this is our dilemma. This is what we are working on. You can understand, with multiple locations and avenues, we are talking to state governments, we are talking to the investment promotion agencies of various governments. So we are doing a process of elimination working on that.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Sir, and our -- this food park, sir, how big is that food park? And sir, once we lease all of it, sir, what kind of lease -- annual lease rentals can we generate potentially?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, it's -- we are close to 70% of full utilization in terms of lease rental from the food park and, say, about 30% -- say about 20%, 25% more can be sweated. More so on that, there is land available in the food park for expansion. But we are trying for certain customers to come and set up. We are in talks with them while we are evaluating our growth options. We are trying to pitch potential customers so that we can have a customer supplier relationship within the project site. So that's something new which we are looking at. And as a company, we are working on it. Let us see how that plays out.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Sir, so how big is the food park in terms of acreage?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

It's 55 acres.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Sir, so we are making -- like we made INR 34 crores of revenue from food park, which is basically rental. Sir, but on PBT -- sir, on PBT basis, only INR 69 lakhs. So rest is all depreciation?

R
Rakesh Chawla
executive

It's an infrastructure project. So in the initial year, the depreciation is quite high.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Sir, so basically, except for depreciation, there is no cost. Sir, basically, it's cash flow only?

R
Rakesh Chawla
executive

No, there is cost also. The revenue includes the rentals as well as the sale of steam and sale of the different products, which food park is providing to the units inside it. So that involves the fuel cost and the operational cost like the water treatment plant operational costs, et cetera, et cetera.

K
Keshav Garg
analyst

Okay, okay. Sir, so -- and what's the difference between stand-alone and consolidated? Sir, basically, what is the subsidiary for? What is the business of the subsidiary and plans over there?

R
Rakesh Chawla
executive

So the food park is a material subsidiary we have. You have understood the business of -- it's a lease rental based model. And other 2 subsidiaries are just they are providing some kind of machinery support to Sukhjit. And we don't have any other material subsidiary.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Naitik from NV Alfa Fund.

U
Unknown Analyst

Sir, I just need a clarification on the 400 TPD that we are adding. Is it entirely through debottlenecking? And if yes, which location is this happening in?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

It's not entirely debottlenecking. There is some product expansion, which we've done. So that I would not classify as debottlenecking, and -- but yes. And I must add that all through internal accruals and spread across all our units.

U
Unknown Analyst

Spread across all units, okay. And what would be the money that you would be spending on this then?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

We spent close to between INR 44 crores and INR 45 crores.

U
Unknown Analyst

Got it, got it. And sir, you also mentioned there's been some partial commissioning. Can you give the figure of how much out of this 400 TPD is already commissioned?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, I would say that some benefits have started accruing in products, where we have experienced an increased production capacity of products. So that helped us. And going forward, once that happens in Q3, we'll be able to share more details then.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Sir, just one last clarification. So out of this 400 TPD, can you at least give the breakout how much is through debottlenecking and how much is brownfield?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

I would say majorly would be new product lines, which add certain capacities -- for product capacities, which enable higher grinding. And one could construe that adding a new product in an existing field was also debottlenecking because it helps you process more. So it's a great question, and I don't really know how to answer it.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Sukhbir Singh from SMIFS Limited.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Sir, my first question is, is it possible to provide the breakup of the revenue like for starch business, starch derivative and by-product for H1?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Not really. Sorry, we can't share that. Thank you.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Okay, sir. No issue. And sir, my second question is, like we face pricing pressure in Q2. So like is it going to continue in the near future? Or like is it getting eased out currently?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

So we are experiencing pricing pressure. We are experiencing certain -- increased demand for certain products, and we are hoping that pricing pressure for our products, that gets positively offset with the raw material stability. So the effect has been more on raw material input rather than the prices of our finished goods.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Okay. And sir, my third question is like, what would be the like total CapEx for FY '25?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Around INR 32 crores.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Around INR 32 crores. And so, is it possible to provide for FY '26 also, sir?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Your voice is not clear.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Hello. Am I audible now?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Yes, better.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Yes. So even for like FY '26, is it possible to provide like...

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

No, not really. We can't do that right now.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Okay. Okay, sir. And sir, my next question is like on the -- like -- is there any like how much is the time period for the lag of raw material -- increase in raw material price and like the contracts are on a quarterly basis or monthly basis with the customers?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

It is a 3- to 4-month lag between maize -- passing on the maize price, let's say, to our customers.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Okay. And sir, how much time does it take for the -- from the customers who would like to get the approval for a new product?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

It depends on from company to company and capability to capability. We can be onboarded by a customer -- a blue chip customer within 6 months because we have the capability of working with them. And I mean, 6 months means starting business. And it could take as much as a year, 1.5 years for a new company which don't -- do not -- which does not have the requisite infrastructure.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Okay, sir. And sir, my next -- last question is on the industry side. Like sir, how is the -- what is the size of the like Indian starch market currently? And at what rate is it growing?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, our industry typically grows -- should grow higher than the GDP. The exact starch market is a guess figure because most of the players are not listed. You cannot understand -- one cannot predict what is their capacity levels or their utilization levels. At -- if you read what our competition says, the listed players, say, and if we infer from that, if we at INR 1,500 crores ballpark revenue, if we are around 10%. So you can then take the size accordingly. But these are figures given by others, not by us.

S
Sukhbir Singh
analyst

Okay, okay, sir. And sir, like one more question. On the debt, like how much will we be repaying the debt in FY '25?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

There is no debt. We are a debt-free company.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Aditya from Securities Investment Management.

U
Unknown Analyst

Sir, my question is on your procurement of maize. So generally, how does this happen? So do we procure maize during the Kharif season, which gets utilized over the next 5 to 6 months? Or we are regularly purchasing maize from the market?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, our maize procurement strategy is catered to ensuring our units' operational stability. And each unit we try between 2 to 4 months of raw material coverage. We try for that. So that drives our strategy. You know our locations are -- we have 2 in the north, 1 in the East, 1 in Center South. So we try to take benefit of the local crop and we try to take benefit of the smaller crops around us and we work accordingly. So each location gets maybe 2, sometimes even 3 crops in a year.

U
Unknown Analyst

Understood. Understood, sir. So now on this margin question. Now if I look at your commentary for the last 2, 3 quarters, we have been saying that we are going to increase the prices. But this doesn't seem to be reflecting in the numbers. On one hand, we are seeing that the demand is good. So ideally, the price pass should be quicker. But that is not happening. So if we can just elaborate why is the price pass-through taking so much time? And how is the industry demand supply situation? Is there a situation that there is excess supply in the market which is leading to lagging the price pass-through to the customer?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Can you -- your first part of the question, you asked -- you asked me, 3 or 4 points. I missed out the first 2. Can you be a little bit more clear?

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Unknown Analyst

Yes, sir. My question was, if I look at the commentary for the last 2, 3 quarters, we have been saying that we are going to pass-through increase maize prices to the customers. But that is not being reflected in the numbers because the margins are still lower. On the second, sir, you have mentioned that the demand is good for the product. So ideally, when the demand is good, the price pass-through should be quicker. But that is not happening. So I just wanted to understand why is that the case?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Okay. So I get what you're saying. And I'll simply say that the price of maize and the availability of maize has been -- the demand for maize crop for industrial use and supply has been very neck to neck. And therefore, pricing of maize and especially by the ethanol players who have to honor their contracts, otherwise they get blacklisted, leads to a certain aggressive covering of maize to ensure that they are not at default of contracts. That leads to a certain disruption in the market which, while the demand for our product is there, as reflected in our sales, the margin gets depleted. I hope that's -- broadly speaking, that's what has happened in the last few quarters.

U
Unknown Analyst

No, sir, I understand the prices of maize has increased. But why hasn't the end product prices moved to a similar extent? Because we've been communicating...

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

As product prices have also increased but the margin has remained same or shrunk. Our margin has been the same in the last 3 quarters.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Shivkumar Prajapati from Ambit Asset -- Ambit Investment Advisers.

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Shivkumar Prajapati
analyst

So I noticed that Gujarat also reported the numbers and their maize division grown by around 6%, but we have grown by like double of that. So does this indicate that we are gaining market share? So any sense on this, sir?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, a one quarter performance, I mean, we hope to -- if we repeat it quarter-on-quarter. And vis-a-vis competition, if the performance is the same, then only I think the strong entrance can be made. I don't know what their sales strategy has been. I can't comment on that. And -- but yes, we are growing and we want to grow and we want to increase our top line and our operational margin. And our efforts are on to do that.

S
Shivkumar Prajapati
analyst

Okay. Okay, sir. And sir, like, will we witness consolidation in this industry going forward? Because I think just 3 or 4 players are listed rest all are quite small players. And are there any strategies to acquire the small firms in order to grow?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

See, if I have to acquire an asset, an existing asset, it has to align with our strategy. And sometimes, it is counterproductive to acquire a very small asset with less infrastructure. Sometimes it is better to build greenfield infrastructure. So -- if opportunities are there in the market and as I've mentioned in my opening commentary, we are under evaluation and we will only consider buying the brownfield if it fits in with our overall strategy.

S
Shivkumar Prajapati
analyst

Okay, sir. Sir, one more question. Like all the players are expanding their capacity. So is there any like challenge of overcapacity going forward?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

I think with our overall GDP growth rate and the way the market is growing, and if you look at Southeast Asia as a region growing, and I'm not talking -- if we ignore China and if we look at other countries in Southeast Asia, the way they are growing, I think the opportunity is there for us. And not everyone in the industry is growing at the same time. So if the installed capacity is, say, between 15,000 to 20,000 tonnes per day, simple back-of-the-paper calculation as per other's data, and if you add 6% to it, it is less than 1,000 tonnes. And 1,000 tonnes coming every year is not happening.

S
Shivkumar Prajapati
analyst

Okay. Understood. And sir, do we have any plans to foray into ethanol division?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

We are evaluating the sector. We are looking at it. It is very easy for us to get into it if we wish to. But our immediate view and our focus is growing the maize business. But we are aligned to the demand of ethanol by Government of India and this opportunity exists for us. But we've not looked at it in terms of immediately setting up any facility.

S
Shivkumar Prajapati
analyst

Okay, sir. And sir, if you talk about fermentation, then how easy or, say, difficult it is to implement these things? And what can be the opportunity size for us if we plan in the future?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

I think some pharma companies have pivoted to fermentation within India to grow basic chemicals. And right now, since they are growing for in-house consumption, if they get into the market for exports or selling to others if the market is big enough, we can also explore a particular product out of the entire portfolio of fermentable products.

So it's too early to say that which product one should manufacture and how much they should manufacture. The market is evolving and the opportunity vis-a-vis China, if -- because China has a significant fermentation capacity. Now how that plays out, how the Chinese look at the export market and how competitive India is for the long-term versus how much is India's own internal consumption of fermentable products will decide our decision-making.

Operator

Due to interest of time, we will take last question from the line of Saurabh Kumar from Scientific Investing.

K
Kumar Saurabh
analyst

Sir, your efforts on the long-term debt has been commendable. We have reduced from almost INR 200 crores to INR 80 crores. But if we look at FY '22 versus current data, our sales has increased by only 30% whereas our inventories have more than doubled. And also that is reflected in how the short-term borrowings have grown from, I think, INR 140 crores to INR 260 crores. So why -- if you can explain why there has been so much of disproportional rise in inventory, which is also leading us to higher short-term debt? And what is the strategy behind it or what is the reason behind it? And can we again go back to same kind of inventory levels with the reduction in short-term borrowing also, proportion to the kind of sales growth we are having?

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Saurabh-ji, it's a very decent question. See, our maize procurement strategy was different in 2022. That was the appropriate strategy. So therefore, the inventory was less, so therefore finances, capital portion to inventory was less. As I mentioned that -- and in 2022, ethanol was not a significant player and India had a 15% or a 20% -- up to a 20% surplus for exportable surplus. All our end-user stocks used to be there season to season and also at the end of the year.

What we are seeing now is that there is a monthly industrial demand is consistent. They are close to 2.5 million to 3 million tonnes. And there are low end user stocks. And our efforts to make sure that raw material sustainability is there has led to a higher coverage, which ensures that our plants are running and we are honoring our commitments in the market and growing our business. But it has a finance cost to it.

K
Kumar Saurabh
analyst

Okay, okay. And sir, in one of the questions, to answer, you mentioned that...

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

Saurabh-ji, I'll further add. Let's say, tomorrow the crop turns 70 million tonnes. The government is making an effort to get the overall maize crop doubling from 35 million tonnes. And if there is an exportable surplus, we'll go back to a shorter inventory model.

K
Kumar Saurabh
analyst

Got it, got it, sir. Got it. And sir, 2 small questions. One bookkeeping question. What is our maintenance CapEx? And second question is, I think in today's con call, you spoke about some corrections you have made in your FMCG and pharma strategy. So if you can elaborate a little bit more about it and how it is going to impact the company growth. These are the 2 questions.

K
Kuldip Sardana
executive

So our maintenance CapEx varies. Like this year, say, we are doing about INR 30 crores, INR 32 crores, which is a mixture of, you could say, maintenance CapEx and forward-looking and new -- either new product addition or something like that. So it will vary year-on-year. And it depends. There is no hard and fast rules as in the, say, a textile industry where maintenance CapEx is pretty high. But not necessarily for us and the way we choose our plants, et cetera, et cetera plus there is also certain in-house engineering strengths where we keep our CapEx down. So we don't probably benchmark ourselves to our industry on that point.

As far as adding FMCG and pharma, our more focus has been to drive sales in our -- at our units located in proximity to the customers around us. And when we did not have large capacities or larger capacity of A product or B product, we could not approach certain customers. Now since we've started debottlenecking, adding new products, we are approaching customers who are helping us in improving our operational margins. And that's led to some increase in FMCG and pharma.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this was the last question. I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.

A
Aman Setia
executive

Thank you. I would like to thank everyone for taking out time and joining us on today's call. I hope we have been able to respond to your queries adequately. We look forward to your continued support as we navigate the road ahead together. If you have any further queries, you may reach out to our Investor Relations partner, Orient Capital. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, and have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of The Sukhjit Starch & Chemicals Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.

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