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Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Shilpa Medicare Q2 FY '25 Earnings Conference Call.
[Operator Instructions]
Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Runjhun Jain from EY Investor Relations. Thank you, and over to you, Ms. Jain.
Thank you, Neda. Good evening, everyone, and a very warm welcome to you. To take you through the results and answer your questions today, we have the management team from the company represented by Mr. Keshav Bhutada, Executive Director of Shilpa Pharma Life Sciences Limited; and Mr. Alpesh Dalal, Chief Financial Officer.
Please note that the financial results and the presentation have been uploaded to the company's website and on the exchanges. This conference is being recorded on the transcript along with the audio replay will be available on the website of the company as well as exchanges. I would like to remind you that today's discussion might include forward-looking statements based on the current expectations and assumptions.
These statements are subject to risks and that could cause actual results to differ materially. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements which keep only as of the base thereof. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements where as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. With this, now I'll hand over to Mr. Keshav for the opening remarks. Over to you, Keshav.
Thank you, Runjhun. Good evening, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our Q2 and H1 FY '25 results. It has been a very exciting quarter for us, full of excitement where we had multiple complex product filings and a few approvals, which gives us confidence that we are in the right path for monetizing our assets.
Now I will start briefing about various business segments in which Shilpa Group is invested, okay? So let me start with the API, which is the core business for us. Under API, we have mainly 5 main verticals in which oncology business, where our first client program, which is an NDA program for the U.S. client, where the client has received breakthrough designation from FDA for which the orders were received for the Phase III clinical studies for which the partial quantity supplies were done in current quarter.
The second NDA program for RMB under Phase III, the program and they are planning to complete the clinical study by next year. Multiple filings were done in the oncology segment by us [indiscernible] in which was first DMF with our captive formulation with a non-infringing strategy. The European DMS was received -- it received approval in the current quarter. Lenvatinib, Europe DMF also we have submitted in the current quarter.
And apart from that, 2 new product validations are already initiated, and we are planning to finish those validations by Q4 FY '25. Multiple captive formulation launches are expected in upcoming quarters for which we have our own API, which will in turn help us in growing our oncology business for API. We have also seen a slow increase in the quarter-on-quarter uptake from our biggest customer in the oncology side, and we are seeing slowly a traction and increase quarter-on-quarter.
Now I will start briefing about non-oncology business with Transamic acid expansion, which was a very important expansion project, which we had initiated in last year is on track. And from the Q3 onwards, we are planning to start the validation batches, and we will start having commercial supplies from Q4.
For the UDCA, in the last quarter, we had received CP. After that, we have seen a slow -- good traction from various customers from Europe and multiple rest of the world markets and we have started doing sample feeding for all the customers. Apart from that, on UDCA, we are also planning to file in U.S. and the U.S. DMF is planned to submit in Q4 FY '25. Phenyl ethylene [indiscernible] we had completed the product validation for tht, CPs filed in the current quarter. 2 new non-oncology molecules, microphenolate sodium and microphenolate [indiscernible], we are expecting to start planned validation in Q4 FY '25.
Now I'll start briefing about CDMO business, in which we -- in the current quarter, we have started the dedicated block creation, which we are planning to do it for our current partner, Unicycive Therapeutics and the block is expected to commission in next financial year. In among multiple CDMO programs, which currently are going on for one of our partners for U.S., where we are developing for their NCE program, API and formulation. I'm happy to share that the client has received faster designation from FDA, which again helps us in giving more confidence that we are working on multiple complex programs.
Now I'll start breaking about peptides and polymers. In peptide and polymer, our first product, Desmopressin, we have received CEP. And again, here, we have started giving samples to various customers. Our second product of peptide, we have already filed CEP in the current quarter. Apart from that, multiple GLP-1 peptides currently company seriously working on it, in which semaglutide lab development is completed in current quarter. And we are planning to take this product for the planned validation in Q4 FY '25. [indiscernible], which is the product peptide, which we had developed for osteoporosis, the product lab validation is completed in current quarters.
And on the polymer side, we had received order for one of the complex polymers for one of the big pharma, where in the current quarter, we have finished the initial development quantity supply for them, which they are planning to use in the ADC program. Now I'll move to the formulation division, where in formulation, we have had lot of filings as well as few approvals. So first, let me start with nilotinib where, which is the non-infringing formulation, which we have deed for which we are expecting a launch in Q3 FY '25 where already we have partnered with the #1 generic company in Europe.
Axitinib, which is a second product in Europe already, we have received approval in the current quarter. And we are planning to launch this product upon patent expiry, which is likely to happen in next financial year. Prevented RTU wave, already company had received NDA approval. We are seeing slow -- we are seeing good sales traction. And quarter-on-quarter, there is a steady increase in the sales. Second NDA product, which is [indiscernible], which is a subcutaneous injection, which we are the only company currently in the U.S. to offer ready-to-use subcutaneous injection. We received NDA approval in current quarter and the launches are expected to happen in upcoming quarters.
We are already a company has partnered with partnered in U.S. Our product [indiscernible] transdermal patch is also filed in Europe, which is a very complex product where there were multiple studies which were involved, which were very complex. So we have successfully completed that, and we have already filed this product with our partners. And for the said product already company has partnered for launch and likely we are expecting approval in the next financial year.
And then subsequently, we will do launch. SML [indiscernible] 007, which we were developing for non-alcoholic [indiscernible], the product Phase III studies were completed, and we have filed this product in India. Company is strongly focusing on developing multiple products on the GLP-1 or especially on the diabetics side also. So for all the peptides, which we are developing, API, we are also planning to do dialogue formulation so that our focus on GLP-1 also is -- also is very much there. And our first product, liraglutide formulation, validation batches we are planning to start in Q4 FY '25. On U.S. FDA remediation, the company is seriously working as mentioned in the previous quarter, and our remediation activity is expected to complete by end of Q3. And subsequently, we will wait for the further actions from the agency and further way forward.
Now let me start briefing about biologics, where we have invested over multiple years and company seriously working in this segment with our such product at [indiscernible] in the current quarter we received approval from multiple additional indications in India market, which will help us in growing market share. For second product, Aflibercept, which is a complex eye injection, the company has started Phase III clinical studies in current quarter, and we are expecting completion sometime in next year. And subsequently, we'll be planning to file this product in India. Two new biologics products, which are complex in -- among which the first product already in the lab development is completed and now the scale-up activity is getting started. And for the second product, the last development is ongoing.
On the CDMO side in Biologics, the first project, which we are working with the Korean customers, the project, all the deliverables are completed for the current clinical studies, preclinical studies for our clients and the subsequent orders are expected in upcoming quarters. Our second CDMO project, which we are developing for a U.S. customer, the first phase of the development of all our clients, we have successfully completed and now the project is expected to enter into second phase of development. On the third CDMO project for U.S. clients, we are expecting to complete the development phase for the third client in current Q3 FY '25.
In the current quarter, 2 new CDMO projects, we have signed where the development activity is getting started in Q3 FY '25. Now let me update you about recombinant human albumin where I'm happy to share that our Phase I human studies were completed. And successfully, we have submitted our application for Phase III clinical study to DCGI in India. And we are expecting to start on -- start the Phase III clinical study post approval from [indiscernible]. Also, the U.S. GMS for the albumin is already filed and now for the [indiscernible] and multiple other applications, we will start doing sample feeding to various customers. And last but not least, on our CDMO partner Unicycive Therapeutics in the Q3 FY '25, they have received NDA acceptance with the U.S. FDA, which we have recently announced, which is very important milestone for the company, and we are expecting approval in next financial year.
As we move forward, we are confident in our ability to drive growth and success, our unwavering commitment to innovation, combined with our strong financial position enables us to capitalize on emerging trends and solidify our leadership position in the industry. I will now hand over to Alpesh, who will provide a detailed financial overview for the quarter.
Thanks, Keshav, and good evening, everyone. Let me briefly take you through the financial performance for the second quarter and half year ended September '24. Our revenues for the quarter stood at INR 349 crores. That's a growth of 11% year-on-year and [ 16% ] sequentially and this was mainly driven by our formulations business, which witnessed very healthy growth in emerging markets as well as in the licensing segment. And the EBITDA for the quarter was at INR 91 crores as compared to INR 62 crores in Q2 of last year and a strong -- with a strong 46% growth year-on-year. And EBITDA margins were 26% vis-à-vis 20% during the same quarter last year. I'm also happy to inform that Q2 FY '25 was the eighth consecutive quarter of sequential EBITDA that we have witnessed. The higher EBITDA led to better [indiscernible] which stood at INR 18 crores for the quarter versus INR 1.6 crores in Q2 of FY '24, while debt margins improved to 5%. Additionally, I'm also pleased to inform you that during Q2 FY '24, our balanced business under Shilpa [indiscernible] has turned positive at net profit level for the first time.
Now moving on to our half [ year market ] performance. Our total revenue first half of current financial year stood at INR 651 crores, recording a 13% year-on-year growth. And EBITDA for the same period was INR 174 crores as compared to INR 112 crores in last year. So that's a strong 55% year-on-year growth that we have witnessed. Markets also improved to 27% as compared to 19% last year. Our PAT for the first half was INR 32 crores, and PAT margin again was at 5%. Interestingly, the PAT at INR 32 crores during first half is slightly higher than the entire profit for the whole of last year, last fiscal year. So what we have done the whole of last year, we have already achieved it PAT level in the first 6 months of the financial year.
Now coming on to the segmental performance. Our API business clocked revenue of INR 193 crores, which is down by 13% year-on-year and 12% sequentially. And formulation revenues for the quarter were at INR 120 crores. That's a growth of 40% year-on-year and 15% sequentially. Let me also give you a quick overview of our balance sheet and cash flow position. Our net debt was INR 489 crores as on 30 September 2024. During the quarter, we repaid NCDs of INR 300 crores out of INR 450 crores and our finance cost during the quarter includes a onetime charge of INR 8.3 crores for the proportionate issue related costs that were to be amortized over the entire life of NCDs, which have now been fully accounted for on account of repayment.
The prepayment is also likely to result in interest savings of INR 5 crores in a quarter compared to the current quarter cost that we [indiscernible]. And on the CapEx front, our CapEx in the second quarter was at INR 56 crores, which was majorly on account of the [indiscernible] facility that we are setting up. With that, a brief financial overview, I would now like to open the session for Q&A.
[Operator Instructions]
The first question is from the line of Sanjay from ithought PMS.
Congrats on a good set of numbers. First on the second CDM of project for fill-finish, I think it has been signed for existing customers of the U.S. market. Is the fill finish just [indiscernible] or have we -- I'm just trying to understand if we have retrofitted our fill-finish facility with cartridges, so that we can cater to insulin and GLP-1s.
Yes. The current project, what we have signed is for a viles, okay? But our current biologic facility, we can even do cartridge filling, which we are currently mainly used in GLP-1, okay? So but facility is well equipped to do both wireline cartridge catering.
What would be the capacity in terms of [indiscernible] or cartridges, how many million -- I think 30 million, right, roughly?
Sorry, I am not aware about the exact capacity. So maybe on that, I can send you over the mail separately, okay?
And second, we seem to be marketing insulin too given that innovator is moving towards GLP-1s, both [indiscernible].
Can you come in a better reception area, please?
Yes. Is it better now?
Yes.
So given that innovators are moving towards GLP-1s, is there a plan for us to focus on rest of world insulin market. Our [indiscernible] microbial facility can be used for it, right? And even in the [indiscernible] new greenfield facility till albumin is stabilized or ramped up, can we use that plant for insulin and GLP-1 drug product.
Yes, Sanjay. I think currently, we are not working on insulin because we have a lot of pipeline work on which we are focusing on monetizing, okay? But yes, in the [indiscernible] facility or in the new fermentation facility, we are planning to do some fermentation products also using -- which are used in GLP-1s, okay? But currently, these are at early stage of evaluation. I will be able to give you a more clear picture in the upcoming quarters.
Okay. Third final question. The third CDMO project, tech transfer is ongoing for NVE project. If you could use the therapy or the market size for this NVE.
Yes. We are not aware about the market size because usually in the CDMO contracts, we don't get to know that, but it's a project which is currently into early stage and entering Phase I studies, okay? So I think it is too early for us to comment there.
[Operator Instructions]
Next question is from the line of [indiscernible] Shah from Anti-Stoking.
So just a few questions on your Formulations division for the [indiscernible] that you said that code approval has come down. So can you help us understand what is the expanded market size and the opportunity versus earlier?
Yes. Manish, currently on [indiscernible] site, the most important part is, as you know, we have to get the insurance reimbursement as well as premium pricing. So both the things are currently completed in Q2, in which one of the J-code we were granted in Q1 and then subsequently, we got K-code granted in Q2, okay? So the main market share traction, we will see the main increase starting from Q4 or Q1 from next financial year. So at that time, I'll be able to give more clear picture quarter-on-quarter, we are seeing slowly uptake of increasing uptake of volumes.
Got it. And this will remain a limited competition product, right?
Yes, you're right.
Okay. And secondly, on nilotinib that we are ready for launch now. This product, is it likely to remain an exclusive product for us for a few quarters or do you think competition will come in?
We expect some competition to come in next financial year for sure. But for the current financial year, I think it will be a limited competition, and we will be the most early movers in this.
Okay. And lastly, on roticotin, when -- I mean you mentioned that trials are ongoing and we submitted, so when do you expect the launch? And can you just help us understand the opportunity size here also.
See, in [indiscernible], currently, as I mentioned, there are no generic approvals currently, and it's a launch on approval product for us, okay. So we are expecting approval sometime in next financial year because currently, the product just recently, we have filed and it's under validation phase. So after validation phase, we will receive time table from EU. After that, I think we can give you more accurate timelines. And coming to the market size, it's a decent market size and being a complex product, we expect less generic competition. So I think it will be a decent sizable product for us in the quarters to come.
Perfect. And just a question on tax rate to Alpesh. So can you give us the outlook for the tax rate ETR for next year and probably the year after also?
Yes. So I think on the tax rate front, there are a few things which we are trying to correct on the interest income generated in the parent entity from especially the foreign subsidiaries. Also [indiscernible] of the subsidiaries where the interest currently -- the operations have not yet started. So the interest is getting capitalized. And that's the main reason why we are having this discerning tax rate. Once we restructure these things, we should be in the region of 35% tax rate overall.
Okay. So you think 35% tax will be [ effected ] from second half '26 or a little later in '27?
Yes. So the second half '26, we should be able to achieve it, hopefully, a little earlier than that.
[Operator Instructions]
Next question is from the line of Krisha Kansara from Molecule Ventures.
First of all, congratulations on a very good set of numbers and also for the ongoing debt reduction program. Sir, my first question is regarding the formulation segment and U.S. formulation segment in particular. So if we see on a quarter-on-quarter basis, are U.S. formulation sales are up from INR 10 crores to INR 19 crores. So in the previous con call, you had mentioned that there was no contribution from metrics. So I just wanted to check what was the contribution in this quarter since we are now -- we will now start to get the profit sharing numbers in our book.
Yes, Krisha, I think -- thank you for your queries. The main reason why we are seeing increase in U.S. sales is with [indiscernible], we are seeing the profit share revenue started taking in from the current quarter, and it will start growing in the upcoming quarters.
Okay. So what was the contribution in this quarter, sir?
Providing some of these specific numbers in relation to profit share is commercially a bit sensitive. So we may not be able to share exact profit numbers. So you'll have to [indiscernible].
Sure. No problem. And sir, my next question is regarding the debt. So our long-term debt has come down from INR 560 crores to now almost INR 260 crores. So congratulations on the prepayment of INR 300 crores. Now in our QIP, we raised close to INR 430 crores for reducing our debt. Do we have the balance of INR 130 crores. When do you plan to prepay that remaining debt using our QIP money. Any guidance on the timeline?
So as far as QIP money is concerned, it has been fully utilized, Krisha. And the balance money that you were talking about was utilized immediately on receipt of QIP money because that was used for reducing our working capital debt, right? So this was to be timed in the month of August, the entire payment. So that was the last look that was spending. But everything else apart from the INR 300 crores was fully utilized into the operations in the first quarter itself. So as we speak, entire [indiscernible] proceeds have been utilized for the purpose for which it was raised and our monitoring agency also has given us a report specifying that it's been close mark. Everything has been utilized.
Okay. Understood. And sir, I am a customer, which has recently received the fast-track designation. So did we receive any kind of a development fee or a milestone fee in this quarter from our CDMO customers? Since we supply the initial quantity students?
No, this is only a pure supply arrangement. Here, we don't have any milestones because this is the API supply.
[Operator Instructions]
As there are no further questions, I will now hand the conference over to Mr. Alpesh Dalal for closing comments.
Yes, have you done with all the questions now?
We just have 1 question in the queue. We just got 1 question. The next question is from the line of [indiscernible] from Cosan Research.
Sir, first of all, congrats you can follow the great set of numbers. Sir, my question was like right now, we have the case plays on the promoters what the [indiscernible].
See the current stage is of a very small quantum of the total promoter holding, which is said, that was for a short duration requirement that they had which they wanted funding for. So again, it is expected that in the next 6 to 9 months time, the term should get cleared as well. This was for some of their personal requirements, a very small department for which they place a small percentage split.
Okay. And sir, sorry, I have last question, are you planning any further debt reduction in this financial year?
So see, basically, if you look at our cash flow, we have been generating sufficient cash flow at operating level, but we also have some CapEx for our albumin facility going on and some capacity enhancement, which is happening in [indiscernible] asset plan, so depending on when it comes up and what are those requirements, the additional cash flow that we generate out of operations, we are using that to reduce our working capital borrowing. But [indiscernible], we will not be reducing from any of our borrowing yet in this financial year.
Next question is from the line of Murali Nandan Prada, Individual Investor.
Congratulation for delivery of a great set of numbers. I want to understand, what the management thinks in terms of 5-year vision for the company. Where do you want to see it at the end of 5 years? And what's the plan? How you're going to do it basically?
Yes, I think it's a very good question. So I think to answer where we are going forward and in 5 years, I think you have seen the Shilpa history so our main focus has always been to grow as a company as a one-stop solution, okay? So in 5 years, you are currently seeing we are in 2 small molecules. We are into biologics, we are into do Albumin, we are into formulations. So the main focus is to monetize these assets. And in 5 years, if we do this itself properly. We will see that great numbers happening, which we have been seeing from last 8 quarters. So the main focus was management is currently into is focusing [indiscernible] on complex products and not only developing it, monetizing them at the right time and then having a clear launch strategy for each product and partnering at the right time so that as a company, we are well established and everyone recognizes us as a company which is into all the segments.
Next question is from the line of Neha Kharodia from Abacus Asset Managers.
Sir just wanted to understand about the weakness in the oncology API business. So Keshav, you also spoke about the slower pickup from 1 of the clients, but any other reasons into that?
Yes, Neha, the main dip in the oncology business, which we have seen against -- if you see quarter-on-quarter, there has not been any increase or decrease. But if we see against large financial year, there has been a decrease. And the main reason is because of our major customer, [indiscernible] we have received the FDA warning letter in last financial year. And over last quarters -- last multiple quarters, they have worked on remediation of that. And now we are seeing slowly quarter-on-quarter a slow uptake from them. And I think in the upcoming quarters, we should see there is the good traction with [indiscernible] also. And if we see the total business from Intas for last financial year to this financial year H1, we have seen almost a big decrease, but we have been able to sustain that decrease in business.
Okay. So as that business recovers, how should one look at the growth in the oncology as well as non-oncology, if you can also talk about that.
See, on the future numbers, I think I am not in a right position currently to specify that. But I can tell you that Currently, it's not about our external sales. Our main focus is on our captive formulations, where if we go on launching all the products which we have planned, in the upcoming quarters, we will see a good traction and good growth in oncology as well as non-oncology business.
Okay. So we may not speak about the [indiscernible] numbers, but one should look at the single-digit growth going forward? Or we can expect even further improvement considering contribution increasing from the newer products as well as from the recovery from the [indiscernible] business.
Yes. We can minimum, I think, surely, you can expect a single-digit growth. And in the upcoming financial year, we are very positive of even double-digit growth.
Okay. Understood. And also in the presentation, you have mentioned about 3 new CDMO client additions in the API business. So any color into those projects?
Yes, these are 3 new projects. So this is a cycle in CDMO where every quarter, we will see -- we will keep adding some clients. And this is, again, a program which is currently started into development phase.
Okay. And any color into the potential of these projects like how should one look at it?
No, in CDMO, we can give the right picture when the program is in the advanced stage, maybe in Phase II or Phase III and close to commercial launch. But up to development and Phase 1 supply, it's more about [indiscernible] and their deliveries.
And also the dollar business, we have -- that has remained weak year-on-year as well as sequentially. So just wanted to understand the reason behind it and how should one look at it going forward?
Yes. In the Europe business, the main focus, what we are having is on also Doxycolic acid area, which I mentioned in call, where we were waiting for the CAP approval for that. So you will see a good increase in the Europe API business in the upcoming quarters.
Lastly, on the tax rate. So as Alpesh has mentioned that we should expect that to come in the region of about 35% from, let's say, H2 FY '26 or earlier. But even until then we should see sequential decline or any more further color into that?
Yes, Neha. So, as I mentioned, that we are working on various aspects to reduce this particular effective tax rate as I mentioned this broadly because of certain intercom convictions that we have cost. So we are working on that. We should start seeing some improvements there as well, but I will not be able to provide a complete color on this from a timing perspective as to how much will happen at what sent in time.
We take the next follow-up question of Krisha Kansara from Molecule Ventures.
Yes. Sir, I have one question on Albumin. So we are expected to start the Phase III trials by early next year. So if you could please guide us on the timeline of, let's say, the [indiscernible] grade albumin versus the therapeutic grade argument. Since you are expected to start the filing formalities in, let's say, FY '26 or FY '27 early, so will this finally pertain to expand grade first and then we will move to therapeutic grades. So I wanted that timeline on both the types of resuming, if you can guide us on that?
Yes. See, on albumin, as you know, there are 2 applications. One is [indiscernible] grade and second is therapeutic grade, okay? So in excipient grade, now we don't have to wait for any of the filings. And currently, we have since we have already drug martial file for this product. So anyone who gives us an inquiry for samples or for future quantities, we are in a position to start that business, okay? So which we will try to -- we are already starting to work on that. And when we have a good picture on that, we'll surely update all of you, okay?
And now coming to therapeutic use, yes, you are right, we are planning to start that clinical study sometime early next year. And if the study duration is totally 1 year and after that, we will be filing this product. And then subsequently, we will be launching. So sometime in FY '27 is something we should be able to file and get approval for the launch.
Yes. That was very helpful, sir. Also, just one follow-up question, if I may ask. So can you guide us on the end usage therapeutic-grade albumin what would be the majority end users? Or are there any new areas or new end user industry is opening up for Albumin, just a color on that, if you can give.
Yes. On the therapeutic use, the main application for which Albumin is used is to maintain blood osmotic pressure, okay? But apart from that, Albumin is widely getting used now into vaccines, in drug deliveries, in cell culture grade. So there are -- like I can list down more than 20, 25 applications are there for usage in Albumin, in cell and gene therapy also many companies are using it. So the market is expected to grow year-on-year, and multiple applications are getting discovered in this.
Okay. But can we say that a majority of Albumin will be used as sericulture media, like that will be the major end user.
No, no, the major end use in Albumin is in therapeutic use in which is mainly used in hospitals to maintain blood osmotic pressure.
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As there are no further questions, I will now hand the conference over to Mr. Alpesh Dalal for closing comments.
Yes. Thanks. Thank you, everyone, for your continued interest in Shilpa, and we'll continue to keep interacting with all of you. Happy to answer any follow-on questions that any one of you may have. You can reach out to the company through our Investor Relations team. Thanks a lot.
Thank you very much. On behalf of Shilpa Medicare Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.