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Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the 2Q FY '23 Earnings Conference Call of MSTC Limited, hosted by Equirus Securities. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. [ Ansh Malik ] from Equirus Securities. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you, Rutuja. Hello, everyone. On behalf of Equirus Securities, I welcome you all to Q2 FY '23 earnings conference Call of MSTC Limited. From the management, we have with us today, Mr. Subrata Sarkar, Director of Finance; and Mr. Ajay Kumar Rai, Company Secretary. We will begin the call with the opening remarks on the management and then we can open the line for questions and answers.
I now hand over call to Mr. Subrata Sarkar. Over to you, sir.
Yes. This is very good afternoon, dear investors, and happy Dasara and Diwali. So, it is all along the results you have already, I think, it has been published and you are all aware of the results. So the result, what I want to say it is 2 basic highlights. One, as promised earlier, it is based on the like E-commerce-driven growth, #1. And #2, of course, as E-commerce earnings are on a steady path right now, as we compare with the quarter 1. And if we compare H1 of earlier year, of course, it is a very, very good robust growth that can be seen by the numbers itself.
Now I'm going to the detailed a little bit of the results. So, if you go by the revenue part, so the revenue has, of course, a little bit dipped from INR 312 crore to INR 277.25 crore. And particularly it's Marketing, INR 176.36 crore to INR 92.40 crore. E-commerce of course has gone up from INR 174 crore to INR 167.70 crore, a robust growth of 35% and others has also gone up a little. So...
I'm sorry to interrupt you, sir, but you are not clearly audible.
So, right now, can -- it is audible?
Now it is. Please go ahead.
So, I'm in this position only, okay. So, again, I repeat that the total revenue has taken a little bit dip, but -- which is basically due to the Marketing, INR 176 crores -- INR 176.36 crore to INR 92.40 crore, that is a dip by around 60%, which is in the expected line as we have commented earlier also. And the E-commerce, 35% growth from INR 124 crore to INR 167 crore. And others, of course, has a insignificant role in this whole episode. So, EBITDA has grown from INR 102.44 crore to INR 224 crore at a robust growth of 120%. Provisions and write-offs and that's almost not there and profit before tax has gone from INR 33.23 crore to INR 145 crore and PAT from INR 52.59 crore to INR 115.32 crore, a growth of 119%. And cash profit has also gone from INR 69.39 crore to INR 196 crore, a growth of 182%.
If we go by the segmental part, so total value of goods traded at MSTC's ecosystem is [ INR 919.62 billion ] as compared to previous half 1 of [ INR 710.60 billion ], a robust growth of 30% of revenue traffic. Goods traded traffic. And accordingly, that -- it is reflected in the profit part also. If we go by the group part also, the revenue has taken a dip of around 7% from INR 501.92 crore to INR 463.72 crore. And of course, the Marketing has gone down, as was explained earlier. And Scrap and Allied Recovery Jobs, which is basically a part of our subsidiary group company, FSNL, Ferro Scrap Nigam Limited, it is on a flatter trajectory from [ INR 2,001 crore to INR 2,003 crore ], which is almost on a flatter trajectory. So PBT and the group as a whole has gone from INR 99.44 crore to INR 154.53 crore. And PAT, of course, has almost traveled from INR 61.85 crore to INR 117.96 crore.
So summary, PL statement are also enclosed. So, this is all about our financial performance. And so far, I would like to add like we are trying our level best to diversify in this field of E-commerce and trying to at the same gear 2-pronged strategy; trying to strengthen our existing business lines of scrap and others and going to diversify in others. So with that, we expect that the third quarter will also could be going on the same philosophy and same path.
Thank you very much. I hand it over to you.
[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Dixit Doshi from Whitestone Financial Advisors.
Congratulations on a good performance. My first question is regarding the stand-alone numbers. So, there is another income of INR 103 crore and there is a provision and write-off of INR 77 crore, INR 78 crore. So, is there any correlation? And what is this regarding both, if you can answer for both the entries?
Thank you, Mr. Doshi, for your kind words and the praise for our results. So, you're absolutely right. As a -- I mean, I say a very, very experienced reader of the financial statement, it is absolutely correct. So, we had made around INR 77 crores of write-off this financial this quarter. So, it is appearing on the both side. So, these are no longer written back. It is part of the other income. And the same charging into profit and loss account as a bad debt written off. So, it is setting off. So, nothing to do with our profitability. So, this has to be very precise and clear. Only a miniscule amount of INR 0.95 crore, that is, almost if you can take it as INR 1 crore has been made a provision against the bad debt. So, that era of making provisions for bad debt is over right now that we can say, as of now it can persist.
Now if I net off the INR 78 crore provision, despite that, our other income will be, let's say, if I remove INR 78 crore from INR 103 crore, still our other income is almost INR 25 crore. So, does that include any other one-off or that's a pure treasury income or something like that?
So, basically -- basically, if you see, it is basically investment income and it is basically some dividend we have received from our subsidiary. So, it comprises of both. So, that is there.
Now my second question is, so I'm asking through stand-alone numbers only. So, our trade receivable is now INR 350 crore. Can you just break this up into marketing business and E-commerce business?
So yes, if you just give me a -- so it is basically that old trade receivables which were -- am I audible?
Yes.
So, that's INR 300-odd crore, that is our trade receivable that we have our E-commerce trade receivables fixed at around INR 60 crore, balance pertains to marketing, but maximum of this is backed by 110% BG, almost 99.9% is the sales and requires no provision that much we can tell you, sir. It is basically -- maximum is backed by 110% BG and other things to -- others and associated model. So it requires, as of now, no provision, and we do not envisage any provision against this trade receivable, except from the E-commerce, where a miniscule has been made that I mentioned to you earlier. So, that is there, sir.
Now my third question is also regarding the balance sheet. So, on the liability side, we have 2 big items. One is INR 145 crore of trade payables and INR 909 crore of other financial liabilities. So, what is both this comprised of? And if you can break that also in terms of marketing and E-commerce?
So basically, the trade payables maximum is -- maximum is marketing. So, we have got a both sides, trade receivables and trade payables in the associate model. Already, we have explained that here also. We have got an agreement with our creditors that once we receive it from our debtors, we will pay them. It's a back to back arrangement. So, it is like that. So, once it has got nothing to do within our PL part. It cannot -- we cannot hide it back or we cannot write it off from the ledger also. So, it has got nothing to do with our profitability. Balance, certain payments are coming and going [indiscernible] and all these things. So, the balance is that type of liability. So, it has got nothing to do with our profitability as such. So, that much that we can share you sir.
And about this INR 900 crore of other financial liabilities?
So, these are the certain -- certain receivable, certain payables that are there we have collected and generally, it is a temporary phenomenon which on a particular balance sheet, it remains. So, it will go off and come in like that. So, it has nothing to do with our profitability and trading business.
But that's also include majority from the marketing business?
No, it has nothing to do with it. The majority is not for the marketing business. It's basically, it is around INR 78 crores around audits for some other things. But basically, it is not from marketing business. You can see that our 31st, our annual report. I would like to just to see our annual report where the total is -- anyhow our breakup is there and nothing major has changed out of that as on 30th September, sir.
One last question, so, let's say, this trade payable of INR 145 crore and INR 900 crore of other current liabilities, that's around INR 1,050 crore. And on the asset side, we have a INR 350 crore receivable. And also our cash balance is more than INR 1,000 crore, almost. So does -- if I net it off, is it fair to assume that our own cash, not against the advances or not against any payable, but our own earned cash is almost INR 300 crore, INR 350 crore?
So, that's a method of mathematics, fortunately, yourself calculated, we have not kept that -- not in a position to change that mathematics. But when you are checked, okay, if the mathematics comes out of that, so we have nothing to say. We have disclosed everything in the balance sheet.
And 1 last question. So, how do you see the momentum of E-commerce business from last couple of quarters, we are doing INR 80 to INR 80 crore plus revenue. How do you see the momentum going forward? And is there any highlights? Because this time on the presentation, we have not given any highlights like we usually give that which are the major project behind that.
Actually, the highlights we never -- we actually we thought basically, it was whatever we did we did very good, that this numbers are telling, but you see it is basically the events that were repetitive in nature. So, that's why we thought we let us not repeat that time -- same type of things in the presentation. That's why we keep that thing. And basically, that momentum is there as we can see from the figures. And so long as that atmosphere, industrial atmosphere is also picking up. So, we expect that E-commerce oriented growth may sustain, it may sustain which, of course, that is very difficult to say for the last quarter and all. So, coming quarters also, the momentum we may maintain.
[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of [ Harshit Jain ] from RAH Investment and Advisor.
First of all, many congratulations for great set of numbers. So, my first question would be regarding -- in this particular quarter, we can see that there is a decline in the employee cost from Q-o-Q basis and on a Y-o-Y basis. So, can you please clarify? And will this be the same run rate going forward, INR 18 crore to INR 20 crore per quarter?
Jain, what is happening over here. So, we take like it is a very miniscule [indiscernible] so it is not around even tune of INR 1 crore. It is not even in the I mean perspective is per se. So, it's keeps on little bit of fluctuating. But if we can go by the H1 basis, H1 to H1, of course, the last quarter, that last H1 was marred by COVID. And we had to spend a lot of money on our health issues of our employees. That was our time important. So, that was some kind of expenditure that we made it. So -- but you see that around what we have told right now, if you see our total rate, on the -- if you compound it on an annualized -- on an annualized basis, it will be in the range of 100 plus -- around INR 100 crores. So, we know, with this employee kept we will able to meet around 100 -- around of over rate this way. That may lead to some INR 1 crore less, some INR 2 crore plus, this that way.
And my next question would be regarding our Marketing segment. So, can you please provide a guidance that how much will be your Marketing segment on a quarterly basis going forward? Because last quarter, it was around 10 quarter, it was around INR 10 crore and this quarter because of provisions and entries, there is no clarity. So, what will be the growth rate going forward?
Marketing, you see, we have already tapered down only our 1 segment 110%, this is that segment is going on. So, that is the force cut and that is a philosophy that is the thing that we are maintaining in the near future, we are not going to have this kind of risky business. And the second thing that we told about the provision. So, it is not the provision. We have made a provision of only INR 0.95 crore, that is INR 95 lakhs only. It's a very miniscule, not in the marketing division, in the old some E-commerce state receivable. So, it is a both sides. It is the other income side, and we basically, we have written it off. And what you can see that we have taken a tax advantage. The tax is a little bit low. By writing it up, we have taken the tax advantage of that. So, Marketing is now, of course, is a very, very least priority segment in our company. So, we are now focusing on the E-commerce right now. What is the outlook is there.
And my last question would be regarding our E-commerce segment. If it's possible, can you provide a little bit guidance that what is the kind of percentage growth we are targeting in this current financial year for E-commerce?
So, you see that you if you can -- what you can see from the market and the overall thing, there, although we are on a set of trajectory so far income is concerned. But you see, I as a perspective, we see it as a growth because you see, the prices which are scrap and other things have gone down. So with that pressure, we have maintained the same revenue level. So, that is the goal, #1. Number 2, we see that there will be a constant competition and there will be a price pressure. And of course, that will have a bigger impact on our growth number. So, we are trying our level best, but we feel that we can maintain the trajectory as I said earlier in the another question also. So, we can maintain this trajectory so for current quarter is concerned. But the retail market as you are all aware, how it happens we do not know. The world is now [indiscernible]. So that is there.
So, around INR 80 crore to INR 90 crore per quarter?
It is -- now it is a constant first quarter, second quarter will make it. So, we are expecting that it may happen in the third quarter. But what about fourth quarter I mean it is very difficult to say because longer predictions right now is a very difficult proposition. But of course, we have time and we hope that -- how much oriented growth is driven in this company.
The next question is from the line of [ Srinivas Reddy ], an Individual Investor.
This is regarding the other income. Earlier, we had also gone through this cycle of abnormal increase in other income. And then that obviously is continuing. When can we hope that there is a normal business income will overcome that abnormality of the other income rising part at least the next few quarters, we can expect a secular trend, non-linear growth we are seeing right now, but the regular income.? Yes. So when can we expect the linear growth for our company from the business growth -- actual business growth excluding the other income part?
So, let me clarify you, sir. So, you see that our if you can deeply analyze our financial statements, standalone or consolidated whatever maybe you are looking at. So there is, of course, other income, but there is a -- you see the provisions and write-off. It is basically a compensating entry of around INR 77 crore that we have written off this year -- this quarter, which is appearing on the top and this is appearing in the model, it is just basically an accounting entry. It has nothing to do with the profitability. We are writing on our operational part only. And if you can see from that operational income, operational part, let me explain you clearly, if you can see I'm just explaining 1 quarter, H1 only, if we can see that, H1, let me explain you for you.
So, if you see that our revenue from operation this H1 is INR 163.3 crore, it is stand-alone basis, okay? And if you see the other, if you see, if you reduce the INR 70 crore part from that other income, you can see the other income is INR 37 crore. And total income is around INR 200 crores. And if you reduce the overrate of INR 50 crore. So, [ PAT ] comes to around INR 150 crore. And after provision, it comes to only INR 148 crore and profit before tax is INR 145 crore. So, you see that INR 145 crore, mainly is derived from INR 163 crore minus [indiscernible] INR 130 is coming out of INR 145 crore.
So, you see that your -- you just rethink and go through it sir. My submission is like that we are earning from our operational part, other income are name to be and we are not dependent upon that. And that to other income comprises mainly of the dividend. So, we are not basically dependent. We are earning out of our operational income. And from INR 145 crore we have earned and if you reduce the expenses around INR 53 crores and INR 50-odd crores, so INR 110 crore. So, almost 70% is coming out of operational income only, sir. So, you please -- I mean, go through it, my humble submission, so that it will be very clear to you, sir, on a deeper note. So, we are on the operational income part only, sir.
Regarding this future prospects for that company momentum of mix of E-commerce business versus our marketing, what is the ratio you are expecting? Present ratio to continue? Or you are expecting E-commerce to increase or marketing to increase in the future?
Let me tell you and let me make it very clear right now, the philosophy of the management is not to have any -- expect any growth in the marketing. Only we are hurting on the scrap segment, 110% BG segment, that is also getting very miniscule, very miniscule. So that is there. And so far, we as concerned, E-commerce, our main thrust is right now on the E-commerce, and we'll keep on going through that E-commerce business only.
One more request, sir. Regarding the change in this result date and this con call date, sir, your -- the last 2, 3 days, you are changing this thing frequently. Please make sure that these things are not going to happen in the future. So, sir, we are missing out on these things, because for that.
First of all, we seek our sincere apology to our investors. You are our earliest one of the investor that we have, regularly, but sir, you will appreciate that right now, our CEO is unable to attend the con call because of business reason only. He is attending an NITI Aayog, busy on certain things, that is good for our business. So, like it is happening far more frequent and we have got government nominee Directors and we lot of -- we have lot of diversified field from where the Directors are choosing. So, sometimes these type of problems occur. So, we hope that it will not occur in a frequent manner, sir.
The next question is from the line of Pritesh Chheda from Lucky Investment Managers.
Sir, could you help us know what is the scrap volume trajectory volume growth Q-o-Q, Y-o-Y?
So far, the scrap volume is concerned, we are basically if you ask me, so H1 to H1, if you see we are on the higher path. And quarter-to-quarter also, we say on the flatter trajectory because the rate of the scraps are a little bit now cooled, scrap, iron ore that, as you can see from the market. So, with the same amount of disposal, we are having with -- same around. So, it is on a flatter trajectory, nothing significant. So far, these volumes are concerned.
Sir, has scrap volume grown in the -- on a Q-o-Q basis or it has not grown on a Q-o-Q basis?
Of course, it has not grown. I'm saying, flatter means, it is not growing.
And has it declined? And how much has it declined?
So, that particular figures are generally not captured in our accounting system. We go by the income. So, income almost approximately that figures are available with us. So, almost the same trajectory, almost on the same trajectory.
For scrap income is flat Q-o-Q?
Yes, it is flat.
So, there is a fall in the scrap realization then volume should have gone up, right?
Of course.
You do not have the scrap volume for H1, right, handy with you.
Handy, but difficulty, we do not capture firstly, because the financial system captures certain billing and all these things. So, it is basically that way, so we just make a rough estimate come out of that. So, with that calculation I can tell you that it is on the -- income is on the flatter path and -- but I would say it is a growth, because prices have gone down and we are trying to when we are on the flat trajectory. So, of course, it is a, I would take it as growth.
So, what percentage of our revenue now is scrap revenue?
It is almost what we have told earlier. I think almost more than 50% we are deriving it from the scrap.
So, if it is more than 50%, then it has gone up from 44%, 45% to 50% now?
No, no. Others, we have got other segments. Now, right now, we have diversified into a lot of segments, not only scrap. We have got our mineral blocks, we have got our linkage auctions, we have got our coal auctions, we have at our iron ore auctions. So, a lot of happenings are going on. New happenings are going on. So, it is a lot of things. We cannot survive in an environment only through depending upon the particular segment. So, I'm trying to tell here, which is everything what is available to it.
Sir, I am specifically asking about scrap sales. What is it as a percentage of revenue now? I can understand that mineral box and all, which go either in e-procurement or it goes in E-sales, right? It's not a part of scrap sales perfect. I am looking for what is scrap sales now as a percentage of revenue. And has it gone up?
Again, I'm repeating, when you are saying I'm repeating, it is on the flatter trajectory and percentage is around 50% to 60% going on. It is there only, and it is on the flatter trajectory, it has not increased on a quarter-to-quarter basis, of course.
And on Y-o-Y? I'm asking on Y-o-Y?
Y-o-Y. So, Y-o-Y, of course, scrap has gone up because it is growth of around -- it is a growth of around 20% to 30%. 30%.
And what is the progress?
H1 to H1 if you compare from H1 to H1, it has gone up.
Okay. That answers my question, sir. What is now the private business as a percentage of our e-com business now? So, we used to be 90% government or more than 90% government-dependent. Has there been any progress on the private business?
No, no, no, no, we are steady with that. So we are steady with that only. We have got good plans in the private. So right now, there the diversification will happen because that RMO is now open. So, we have -- we have tried to go in private players. So, from next quarter onwards, that ratio will obviously change. A little bit increase in the ratio of course will be there.
So, what happened with those MOUs with Larson and Reliance and all which we had announced and they had talked about certain scrap...
We have not, I mean more private clients than names. So right now, we have got an opportunity and we had -- we are trying to rope in certain private miners so that we can sell their produces.
When you are saying that you will maintain your top line on a Q-o-Q basis, are you seeing even more visibility on scrap volumes because the scrap prices are continuously coming down?
So, again I'm telling you like that I already explained, yes, you are absolutely right, the scrap prices are coming down. So, we are trying to get some other business also in the mineral sector and other sectors also. So that way, we are trying to maintain our [indiscernible] income. That's why there's no growth. It is in a flatter part. So, for Q1 and Q2 is concerned.
Sir, lastly, in our e-com business, I know what scrap sales, which is purely linked to the revenue number or the scrap realization number, right? You have another business within that, which is called as E-sales. Is E-sales a [indiscernible] business or E-sales is also linked to certain revenue number or milestone number or it's just a fixed fee business?
First let me explain it is basically a mix of technically. Some kind it is limestone base, some places, it is [indiscernible] that you rightly said and some place like scrap where we get income as per the outcome of the auction. It is a mixed bag but maximum thing which is growing right now is basically on a sea base or is M-based?
In the E-sales business, right?
Rightly, rightly.
So, your entire fluctuation in number in revenue has to do with scrap sales and scrap realization and scrap volumes, right?
Not necessarily, sir, if you are talking only about the financial terms. I'm looking at as a business term, so, you know, if I say supposedly, I say more business is scrap, I would tell you our prices, we can have a good volume. On the vis-a-vis, if we go to that e-comm or e-sale business, where we can get more business with more fees, we can compensate that. So, like these are the 2, I mean, parts. So, which cannot -- these fluctuations can happen at any segment. It can happen in the infill also, it can happen with that also, sir. It is of course in a fluctuating environment. But what we can see from the trends that we are able to maintain the same suggestive in the last 3 quarters.
Lastly, have you formalized your dividend payout plan now?
Formalized means we have got a dividend policy backed by the guideline, it is 5% of the network or 30% of the PAT, whichever is higher. So, we are sticking to that, last year also, it is a minimum of course dividend. So last year also, we had the same dividend and doing our thing. And this year, this first interim is when the path we put that only. So, that is the policy we follow, the deep on guidance.
The next question is from the line of Parimal Yatish Mithani from Credential Investments.
And congratulations on good set of numbers. So, I just wanted to know the provisioning of your -- you have provision as well write back. So, is it safe to say that you are done with the more of the provision than the write-backs now and the book is clean?
Sir, could you repeat your question, please, sir? Sir, I was not able to get you.
Sir, can you hear me properly now?
Yes. Yes. Please.
Sir, in the cash flow, you've done a write-back of INR 88 crores versus bad debt write-off of INR 76 crores. So can you explain that in the first half? And is it safe to assume that most of the write-offs as well as write-backs have we done with?
Sir, first let me explain you that both had increased, which is common, like INR 76 crores and [ INR 77 crores ], both are common. It is compensating entries for this probably taking the benefit of the PAT. So writing off, provision no longer written back and writing off. And balance is, of course, we have realized a little bit of money in this H1 from the previous provision that we made in the marketing, of course that is very miniscule. So, that's the thing. So -- but we -- if you can see that the net result is plus only, not a minus. So, that is, yes, #1. And #2, this provisioning part, of course, we have gone away with tax and there will be very, very miniscule thing, a normal in a particular business.
So can you give what will be minimum amount will be if you can provide that for your contingency that's a fair estimate for us to know.
Pardon, sir.
You said there will be a little provision there. So can you give an estimate around, what last year, you have done almost INR 228 crores -- sorry, INR 280 crores -- INR 260 crores of provisions?
Again, you are not able to understand. That's the major part was that both sides increased. You see that there was debit, there was other income and there was a provisioning. If you minus that, the last year figure, last year around figure will be INR 50 crores, INR 60 crores and odd. So, we will not repeat that figure that we are repeating, keep telling. So, we maximum in this quarter, we have made a provision of only [indiscernible]. So that is there.
In terms of second question, can you give -- in terms of E-commerce, how do you see going forward the next 3 to 5 years?
Sir, the basic phenomena is like that we depend upon the market on the 2 things. #1, for scrap is how the industry performs. So, here that although the industrial growth and output has increased, but the scrap prices are not coming up. It is going down. So, we expect actually although we generally we made scrap generation, but there will be a lesser realization. So, in some businessmen, they are also companies, they are also holding up the scrap. So, it will be for better prices in the future. So, it will be a flatter trajectory and other segment also. So, we feel that it will be a better trajectory in the coming third quarter also.
And sir, can you provide the company's cash as of 30th September on the balance sheet?
Pardon. What is the company...
The cash that belong to the company as of 30th September?
September 30, that we have disclosed in the balance sheet, sir, it is there in the balance sheet, sir.
Net cash I'm talking about. That is available to the -- net cash that is available, sir, if you can give that.
Net cash isn't there. Minus the liability is the next cash available, sir. And you see that basically, if you see that our net worth, it is a INR 584 crore now right now, we are there in the net worth. And if you -- we are almost net worth are backed by taxes. But we have to do the mathematics. Right now, I'm unable to do the mathematics for you because it is cash balance is around what we can see, around INR 900 crores, there is a liability, there is something. So, you can still spell out from there, sir.
[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Mayur Patwa from Sahasrar Capital Private Limited.
Sir, I have only 1 question. In your consolidated balance sheet in the segmental results, you have shown INR 26 crore as unallocable expenses. Whereas in the stand-alone, it's not there. So, what is that? What expense is that?
That relates to, if it is in consolidated, that relates to sir, our FSNL business, sir.
FSNL, but FSNL has actually shown operating profit of INR 12 crores.
Yes. That can be there.
Was there a profit or...
Expense wise you are talking about unallocable?
Yes, unallocable. So on FSNL, you have given INR 12 crore operating profit.
I'm here with the consolidated results, first, your segment revenue and segment tax. So, where you are coming out with the expenses?
In your segmental results -- in your segmental results in the consolidated side.
Unallocated INR 26.78 crore. Okay?
So, what is that?
Just a minute. And you see the stand-alone, let me have the stand-alone figures. The stand-alone, it is [ INR 26.82 ] to other, unallocated, correct, right?
Correct. INR 8.87 crores. I'm looking at segment profit before tax.
You see what happens here, you see the trend over year, so, over the year, what happens, our salary, wages and certain overheads cannot be allocated between the Marketing and the E-commerce segment. So, that's why it is unallocated part it shows there, nothing else. If you see in totality it matches. So, in the coming days, when that Marketing segment will be wiped out, so this confusion will go away and everything will be dedicated to E-commerce. So, this type of confusion will not also be there with you.
So by when you think this Marketing segment will be wind-able?
So, it is not in our hands. So long as we have made a very stringent business condition like getting -- we are doing only piggyback transactions. So, so long as this comes in, we will not deny. But once it is fizzled out, we will not go for further ventures, which is all only that bank guarantee that we will do.
The next question is from the line of Dixit Doshi from Whitestone Financial Advisors.
Sir, one question is, so regarding this marketing business, a couple of years back when we started reducing that business, we were of the opinion that we will discontinue this business. I understand that now whatever we are doing is 100% BG backed business. But are we going to discontinue this as well? Or we will do this 100% BG backed business?
Right now, sir, right now, we have a mandate like and we are doing with 110% BG. So whatever it goes on. So, it is a very safe and sound and time tested. So, we are not in averse of doing, discontinuing with this business. Of course, it is in a very, very small segment. And we -- our whole focus is on, of course, E-commerce. So, if it comes on its own, we will not deny, but in fact 110% [ reserve ].
And is it fair to assume that, that business will not lose any money?
Right now, the trend is like that and we have it is backed by BG, you can see in the BG. It is one of the most secured instrument that at least in the Indian financial system we have. So, we have taken that. So, that is our way, that and let us hope and we are very much hopeful that scheme will not lose any money on that with this type of security.
And lastly, on the FSNL stake sale, any update you can give? Like will that happen this financial year or anything you have update?
Basically, you see it has been handled by DIPAM, so under Ministry of Finance. So, it will all depend how the progress happens, it is all factors. So, they are handling all these things. So, we are only facilitating the whole process. So, it is very difficult right now, sitting today itself so to tell, that what will happen this year or next year. But if anything substantial happens, of course, we'll get back to you. So hopefully, in the next quarter, when we meet, we will be able to throw some more light on this particular issue.
[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of [ Harshit Jain ] from Rah Investments and Advisor.
My final question would be regarding the DRAT case, which is scheduled to auction our properties on 14th of November. So, any update you want to share with all your stakeholders and lessors?
Sir, we hope by today is the order date. So, we hope that we will get the order by this evening. So, we will be approving that in that wage cycle, sir. We are waiting for that retail order, sir.
So, any update you can share right now?
Right now, it is very difficult to share because until unless the order is getting -- I have been told that order will be uploaded very soon. Just people are waiting there. So, it is there, we will certainly keep you apprised, sir. It's very important thing and we will certainly update immediately to the stock exchanges, sir.
[Operator Instructions] As there are no further questions from the participants, I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.
Thank you all. It was a very interesting and learning session for us. So, we tender our sincere apology that our CEO could not attend this important investor call because his other meetings with the Ministry. So, we hope that you will be still have a repose of faith keeping on -- reposing faith on this company. Thank you very much.
Thank you. On behalf of Equirus Securities, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines.