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Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the KPIT Technologies Limited Q2 FY '23 Earnings Conference Call, hosted by Dolat Capital Market Private Limited. [Operator Instructions]
Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Rahul Jain from Dolat Capital Market Private Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Yes. Hi. Thank you, [ Lizanne ]. Good evening, everyone. On behalf of Dolat Capital, I would like to thank KPIT Technologies Limited for giving us the opportunity to host this earnings call. And now I would like to hand the conference over to Mr. Sunil Phansalkar, who is Head IR at KPIT to do the management introductions. Over to you, sir.
Thank you, Rahul. Good evening, and a very warm welcome to all on the Q2 FY '23 Earnings Call of KPIT Technologies Limited. I would take this opportunity to wish you and your loved one, a very happy Diwali, a healthy and prosperous Diwali.
On the call today, we have Mr. Kishor Patil, CEO and MD; Sachin Tikekar, President and Joint MD; Anup Sable, Wholetime Director and CTO; Chinmay Pandit, Wholetime Director and Head Americas; Priya Hardikar, CFO; and [indiscernible].
As we always do, we'll have the opening remarks on the performance for the quarter and the outlook that we see today by Mr. Kishor Patil, and then we will have it open for questions. I would just request that we would have a hard stop at 06:30. [Operator Instructions]
So once again, a very warm welcome to all, and I hand this over to Mr. Kishor Patil.
Good evening, everyone. I'm very happy to take you through Q2 results KPIT. First, I will go through certain financial numbers, then I will talk about employee side, then we'll give you some business outlook. We'll talk about also Technica acquisition. So to begin with, I think the quarter, as you all know by this time, we have a 27% constant currency growth year-on-year and 8.3% quarter-on-quarter, and the reported growth has been 17.2% and 4.8% quarter-on-quarter for the period. EBITDA has gone up by 33% year-on-year, and net profit is 28% year-on-year.
Now while doing this, from EBITDA to net profit, during this period, the other income has gone down by INR 58 million on account of transferring losses of the currency. And that has basically impacted to a certain extent, net profits. Also, there is an increase in the depreciation of INR 1.70 crores on account of 2 things. One is amortization of licenses, which is INR 1.2 crores and INR 0.50 crores or INR 50 lakhs, basically purchase price for PathPartner location for goodwill.
So after this, the net profit has grown 28% year-on-year. There is -- overall, if you really look at the PCB is INR 142 million, which we have won during the quarter. And the pipeline looks pretty strong, one of the best we had with certain mega deals in the pipeline. So we feel very confident about the overall pipeline, which we have, and that allows us to look at business very positive. During this quarter, there has been increased -- increments, which we had. And the increments have been one of the best in the industry. We had a double-digit increment, including our global employees, which has been, again, one of the highest we had, over the last many years.
And after absorbing that, we have been in a position to -- which has a more than 3% impact on profit and loss account, which we have been in a position to compensate due to strong growth as well as other profitability improvement. With the -- on account of opportunities we are giving to our employees because of the strong growth and exciting technologies to work on as well as the increments we have given, we see a downward trend in the attrition. While for the last quarter, it was early '20s, but as we have a 90-day period, we see that, what will be our attrition for the next quarter, and it will be less than 20% going forward in the next few quarters. So we are -- we look at it as a very positive sign, specifically when we are growing strongly.
On the -- overall, during this quarter, we also acquired a company called Technica for EUR 80 million as we had announced, a month back. And this has been now consolidated from first October. The overall, the revenues for this entity will be about EUR 42 million on a yearly basis with a 20% plus EBITDA. The stand-alone growth rate will be 15% plus for the entity, and we expect synergy to drive more growth with this entity. This -- while this will be the consolidation will be done, the deal expenses in Q2 will be about EUR 1.4 million, EUR 1.5 million, which we have already considered while giving EBITDA numbers for the year. So we are very positive about Technica, and we have been -- we have received very positive vibes from the clients on this acquisition. Overall, while the overall economy is a bit uncertain, we see that in our clients, which we have defined as T25, and in those clients, specifically the area on which we are focusing on, which is software-defined vehicle. We see that the clients are going ahead with their programs. And these are the very essential for them for their having a market share in the future models. So this is where we do not see any changes in their spend patterns. And while the overall economy is a bit uncertain, we see this commitment to these programs.
And KPIT is very strongly positioned in this area. We are -- about 70% of the programs, which are going on worldwide, we are a part of that. And some of these even new wins, we expect will be in these areas. So based on the confidence, based on the positioning and based on the areas in which we are focusing on, we believe that we are in a better position to really increase our outlook for the year. So the yearly outlook will be 31% to 32% growth on year-on-year, including Technica. Excluding Technica, our organic growth will be 23%, which is up from 18% to 21% outlook we had given earlier. EBITDA will be 18.5% to 19% more than -- I mean, earlier, we had given 18% to 19%.
So based on these areas, we feel very positive about the business environment and future prospects for the company. Thank you.
Sir, should we open up for questions?
Yes, please.
[Operator Instructions]
The first question is from the line of Chandramouli Muthiah from Goldman Sachs.
My first question is related to the Technica acquisition that you've announced. Congratulations on closing the deal. Just wanted to pick up on a couple of comments you made on synergies on the transaction. If you could just help us understand, what are the sources of synergies for this transaction, both from maybe a client mining as well as an operational standpoint?
This is Anup here. I think most of us know. And if you can imagine a V, which is using a software development cycle, right? So our KPIT traditional scope starts from software requirements at the left side of the V, goes down up to software development, software integration. And then at the right-hand side, on the top, it goes to requirements validation. Now if you can increase the height of this V a little bit more, now it starts with system requirements, architecture and requirements. And on the right-hand side, it increases the system validation part. This is what the increase of the height of the V is what the Technica acquisition adds to us. What it means from our customer perspective is that the customer -- we get to engage with the customer early in the life cycle of the development of the software development vehicle at the system architecture stages. And in our software integration business, our ability to integrate at the system level becomes significant differentiator, which means our stickiness to the customer would increase. And the system validation part of it also is a sticky business for multiple years. So that also engages us more with someone. So in total, we get also earlier advantage as well as stickiness throughout the life cycle of the program.
And just to add a few things, specifically in the TCV area where it is a complex architecture, this has more relevance and mining. And that is the reason we had -- we thought these are very important competencies for us.
Got it. That's helpful. My second question is on employee utilization levels. So I think we've had a significant pickup in hiring activity over the past 12 months. So just trying to understand where we are in terms of employee utilization at this point after the hiring pickup and then what the utilization target would be in an ideal world for us.
Right now, we do not go into the details too many on the utilization and this is because it becomes very complex, based on the business model. But to your point, we do have increased our hiring over the last few quarters. And I mean, in the first quarter, we increased our headcount by 11%, second quarter by 8%. And so during this process because specifically in the areas in which we are working, I think the time to take to or to make people productive is a little bit more than normal programs. Specifically, if you also hire certain pressures from the college. And you will see this utilization going up in the next 2 quarters. This -- we have an opportunity to increase our utilization by -- certainly by a few percentages.
Got it. That's helpful. And my last question is around the organic revenue growth upgrades. I think the midpoint of the previous constant currency revenue growth guidance was about 19.5%. And now we've said it will be 23% plus. So seems to be 350 basis points, at least in terms of organic revenue growth guidance upgrade. So just trying to understand what you're seeing in your deal pipelines and what's giving you the confidence of taking the organic revenue growth guidance higher?
Chandra, this is Sachin Tikekar. And if you look at what we have actually said, there are 5 large engagements that we signed up with 5 different OEMs; 3 of them in North America, 1 in Asia and 1 in Europe in the last quarter. And then there are 2 additional large what we'll actually call mega sort of engagements that are in the pipeline. The pipeline actually has increased to about INR 142 million, and that also gives us the confidence. So essentially, just the -- looking at the kind of demand that we have generated -- and on the other hand, our ability to also scale has gone up. The attrition is going down a little bit. Our ability to attract talent is going up. So the combination of the 2 gives us the confidence that it's time to sort of upgrade the [ lightings ] in line with...
I'll just clarify one thing. INR 142 million is -- we have to be 1 that is during the quarter, and the pipeline is strongest. We don't give the TCV value.
The next question is from the line of [indiscernible] from Mount Intra Finance Limited.
Am I audible, please?
Yes.
So just looking at the geographic numbers. So we see that in the last 3 to 4 quarters, that U.S. geography has been about $32.5 million to $34.9 million range. Asia, if you have been -- the revenue has been declining over the past 2 quarters. Now with the macro headwinds coming in the top of inflation and recession in Europe, particularly Germany, which is a key geography for us. It might be more vulnerable due to energy dependence on Russia. So what factors can actually protect our growth and revenue base in case some of those natural headwinds do actually materialize in terms of recession going at? What can protect our growth base?
If you look at -- I think your read on the large macro trends, too, we have to bring it down to what we do and the industry that we serve, which is mobility, and we do software for them in software-defined vehicles. There are clear indications to us that the spend on software-defined vehicles will continue to grow.
Within our T25 client, we have deep engagements with them already. That gives us the confidence that in spite of the macro trends that you see, we'll continue to have growth in the foreseeable future -- in the near -- immediate future. As far as the geography question that you brought out, we are happy to see Europe is growing robustly for us in spite of the challenges at the geography level in Europe. And that's because, again, we have 7, 8 of our T25 clients are in Europe and all of us we are engaging with most of them in a very meaningful manner. And that's why we have seen that growth.
When it comes to the Americas and Asia, you see that depend all of our T25 clients are global in nature, and the revenue actually shifts from 1 geography to the other depending on where we are going with them and how we are engaging with them. That's why I wouldn't worry too much about what happens on quarter-on-quarter basis. What we can tell you is, going by our annual operations plan, we are actually on target when it comes to Asia and Americas, there are no surprises. And actually, we are slightly higher in Europe. And we have also changed the guidance that we have given. So that's probably to be to answer your question.
And just to add in that is as Mr. Tikekar mentioned, is out of 5 weeks, we have 3 wins in North America and one in Europe. And I think -- so we are probably one of the -- probably a very well-balanced revenue portfolio. Yes.
And my second question would be around our architecture and middleware consulting vertical. So if I remember correctly, we had very good growth during Q1, and now in Q2, we've declined slightly after strong growth. Now this particular vertical, as I understand, is considered to be an existential type of program for the automakers and most of the future projects, I believe, would be in this area. So can I just maybe get an update on what was the reason for the decline in the segment?
Sure. If you look at the middleware programs, all of them are long-term programs. Most of the engagement that we have signed up. And we are -- as Mr. Patil mentioned earlier on, we are actually part of the 7 large engagements out of the 10 serious middleware programs that are going on. These are large engagements with large milestones. Hence, I would actually hesitate to look at quarter-on-quarter. If you look at the year-on-year number, it's in excess of 32%, and most of our growth -- the growth from this, we believe, on a year-on-year basis will continue to be very strong going forward. And what it's also doing since we are working on the middleware, we are touching all aspects of the vehicle. It's also helping us to get more engagements in the other areas, right? So it's also a sort of a beachhead. So on its own, will have tremendous growth, and it will also impact growth of some of the other practices in a positive way.
Okay. So just trying to assess that because a lot of the strategic programs in the auto space would be done with keeping the next many years in mind, maybe 4 or 5 years in mind, when it comes to programs around the case mobility. So there's no real change. That's what I'm trying to assess, is that the correct answer that there's no reason to look too much into it? And that trend is still facing the strong tailwinds?
Yes, we are very -- that's really our clear differentiator in the marketplace. Correct, there are very few companies who can do what we are doing. That's why 7 out of the 10 OEMs are engaging with us. These are all long-term programs. there are tailwinds, and we are confident about the growth in the immediate future.
The next question is from the line of Karan Uppal from PhillipCapital India Private Limited.
As there is no response from the current participant, we'll move on to the next, that is from the line of Sandeep Shah from Equirus Securities.
Yes, thanks and congratulations on a very strong set of numbers and execution. Just wanted to understand...
Sir, your audio breaking up, Mr. Shah?
Is it clear now?
A little better, please proceed.
Yes. Yes. So congrats on a good set of numbers and execution. Yes. The first question is in terms of Technica, when we have announced the acquisition, the CY '21 revenue run rate used to be EUR 47 million, EUR 48 million versus the presentation now talks about EUR 40 million, EUR 42 million. So first, to understand, this is CY '21 rate? and is there any intercompany transactions, which will knock off once we acquire as a whole? And there would be a growth of 15% or 20% on this EUR 40 million, EUR 42 million once we start consolidating for CY '22?
Yes. So the way to look at the Technica numbers is not add up the 4 entity numbers together because it is majority intercompany. So the EUR 42 million, EUR 44 million that we have said right now, that's the actual run rate for the year because, for example, Technica U.S. and Technica Germany, 90% is intercompany. So you should not add up all those numbers and that is not how it will happen. So when you do the consolidation, it will be around the EUR 42 million, EUR 43 million mark that we have currently set.
And a question on CY '22 run rate. So this would have a 15%, 20% growth rate, right, once we consolidate?
Yes, that's what I think Mr. Kishor Patil said in the opening remarks that on its own, it will be a 15% plus growth rate. And with synergies, we can actually look at a better growth rate than that.
Okay. Okay. And just wanted to understand because slightly a bigger ticket acquisition, will we open to take a debt on the books? Or this would be largely internally financed?
We've said in the past also this whole acquisition will be funded with internal approvals.
Okay. Okay. And just a reply to Mr. Anup sir. So it looks like it's a good acquisition and to be in demand going forward. So wanted to understand why then Technica has sold at a relatively good valuation multiple to us?
Yes. I think -- I mean, frankly, after the acquisition, a lot of companies asked us, how you have done that acquisition? I think it is -- basically, we have been engaged with them for quite some time. And there is a commonality of purpose and excitement. These are technical experts in certain areas, and they want to achieve a certain goal in the area of SDV, they believe they can play a meaningful role in the industry. That's what they wanted to achieve, and that's why they thought that KPIT was a complementary player. From that perspective, they -- I mean we have been working now for some time on talking about it. So that's why they felt very comfortable coming together so that they can fulfill their promise.
Okay. Okay. And the last question, if I just look at the 23% growth rates, which we are guiding for organic business, I do understand the words which we have used is 23% plus. But if I look at 23% and the ask rate for the next 2 quarters is 1.8% in constant currency terms. So are we factoring a bit of a seasonal slowdown and furloughs or also some conservatism towards European clients because of the cash shortage and the recessionary pressure? Or is it one should read that what we have said, 23% plus is at least 23% growth, it could be higher than that?
So there are 2 points. One is, we have said 23% plus. That is point number one. The second thing is, we have factored Q3, which is a seasonally weak quarter to some extent. I mean, we hope we can do better. But still, it is weaker as compared to the other quarters. So that's what we have factored a bit.
So any client has some...
When we say 23% plus, I think 23% is the bare minimum that we'll do.
Okay. Okay. And any client from Europe in terms of OEM has shown any kind of caution because shortage of gas may lead to some amount of disruption in plant operations. So are we foreseeing any kind of this risk in the next 2 to 4 quarters going forward?
As we mentioned earlier on, our engagements with European T25 plans are stronger than ever before. In fact, you've seen the growth in the last 2 quarters that we have demonstrated. We have no reasons to see that there is likely to be slowdown. Yes, there are macro challenges. However, if you bring it down to mobility and what they have to do in order to remain relevant, as an OEM, that's the spend that they have to have. And fortunately, for us, we are in that space that where they are committed to spending that money. We don't see, in the immediate future, any kind of slowdown in Europe.
I think what we believe is also the area in which we are working, I think, even if they reduce their spend, I think our spend will at least remain the same, if not increase. And that is what we are seeing at least in some clients. This is our [indiscernible]
The next question is from the line of Nitin Padmanabhan from Investec.
Congrats on a strong quarter. This quarter, you mentioned that you had -- that you have 2 mega deals that could -- you could close over the next 3 to 4 months. Historically, I think this is the first time you are characterizing these deals as mega deals, historically you have called them large deals, and you've reported $60 million kind of deals. So just wanted a sense in terms of how is the mega deal different from a large deal? Maybe roughly, if you could give in terms of size or -- and the scope of work typically?
And second question was, I think you have done a few interesting acquisitions over the past year, and those have sort of added reasonable capability, and you also have this middleware stack. So all coupled -- put together, do you believe that the deal sizes for you itself will inherently be much larger than what you used to close in the past? So these were the 2 quick questions.
Nitin, I'm glad you noticed something different. Actually, we want to call them mega engagements and not deals because these are long-term partnerships that we are building with our T25 clients. And yes, they are different. These -- essentially, the differentiation is, these are 3-digit sort of engagements that spread over 5 to 6 years and there will be 2 of them in the next few months. And essentially, we'll work very closely with the client on their road map for the next 2 or 3 production program. And there will be some incremental changes in the technology, driven mostly by the changes in the central architecture in the middleware.
So we are very excited about these engagements because it also speaks volumes about the quality of the engagements, which -- now we are actually becoming trusted partners to some of these OEMs, and that's what we really wanted to do. And -- but our hope is that most of our T25 clients become -- we become trusted partners to all of our T25 clients over a period of time. That is the -- I think that answers your first question.
And the second was about, with the acquisitions, we have added capabilities and so forth, what does that mean? I hope that the new term mega engagement is the next question. Obviously, because of the acquisitions, starting with PathPartner and now Technica, as Anup explained earlier on, it actually increases -- we stretch the V on both sides. And we continue to differentiate ourselves from everybody else and create larger value for our clients. So we'll see -- hopefully, we'll see more and more of such engagements in future.
And if I may add a bit because PathPartner gives us something which is close to hardware kind of capability low-level programming and Technica, as we discussed, increases the size of V. We are seeing -- and it won't happen in every deal, but a couple of deals we are talking about -- basically the client is giving us the full engagement and that is what makes it a big difference. And so we do expect -- we do hope that we are in a position to capitalize on these competence.
Sure. Just 2 more quick ones. So one is, so far, most of the large deals that you have won have been European, by when do we do start really seeing some traction in the U.S. as well in terms of large deals? Or do you think that U.S. is not a very large deal kind of geo and this has smaller size, but multiple of those. So that is one. And second, do you think the commercial vehicle space is sort of reaching an inflection point at some point, so we start driving growth? So those are the 2 things.
Nitin, first of all, don't say that U.S. has not grown. It has grown substantially over a period of time. It's 40% of our business.
I meant large deals...
I know what you did, but that was on the lighter note. We announced 5 large engagements during the last quarter. It just happens so that the 3 of them are OEMs in the U.S., one of them from Europe and one of them from Asia. So we think that the growth in U.S. will be three-pronged. One is the existing passenger car OEMs, I think we continue to increase our footprint in them. Second is, U.S. has the highest number of what you will call the new type of OEMs. We have started an engagement -- initial engagement, but in a meaningful manner with 2 of them. So that part, we think that over the next 2 or 3 years will also start to fire in a significant way. And the third part is what you talked about, which is going to your second question on commercial vehicle. We have covered almost all the key OEMs in the U.S. And if you look at our growth, in commercial vehicles, which is higher than passenger car growth on a -- obviously, on a smaller base, it's actually propelled by our engagements in the U.S.
So we are -- we continue to remain bullish on our prospects of growth in Americas, riding on these 3 factors, passenger car, commercial vehicles, and the new -- the existing OEMs and the newer kind of OEMs. I think that was the first.
The second part was on the commercial vehicle. No, it's a great question, and that's something that we need to -- we've been so busy and tied up, responding to the OEMs in the past car area, we really need to create a separate bandwidth to do justice to commercial vehicles. Yes, it is reaching inflection point. If you look at our growth, it's growing. It's growing on the back of a handful of T25 clients that we have in commercial vehicles but they are mostly from the U.S. But there are some important ones in Europe that are part of our T25. And there is -- there are 2 in Asia as well. We really need to bring in focus and make sure that we do justice to that opportunity as well.
Not much to your short question, but I hope it clarifies.
The next question is from the line of Karan Uppal from PhillipCapital India Private Limited.
Just 2 questions from my side. One is on depreciation. So given the Technica acquisition, we have closed just now.
We are running at around 32 -- INR 31 crores, INR 32 crores on the depreciation line.
So how will this change post the close of Technica acquisition? And secondly, on the FY '24, now FY '23, we understand that it has been a phenomenal year for you in terms of organic growth rate. But any early indications on how FY '24 may look like?
Okay. So I'll answer the deprecation one. See, the depreciation for Technica is -- will be work done post the consolidation of the results from Q3. As we speak, it is not part of the results as of 30th September, and we will disclose once the working upon the consolidation happens at the [ weekdays ] at a later age. And in H2, it will have a significant impact on depreciation because of the goodwill that will arise upon consumption.
Ma'am, the audio from your line is breaking up.
Yes. Can people be on mute? Yes. So for the next year, we will give the guidance at the end of the year generally in the month of April. But what we have mentioned, we see that overall outlook for us, I mean -- but we will give that at the end of the year. But what we have mentioned in the past these next few years, we see an opportunity to grow 20% year-on-year. That's what we have mentioned in the past. But we will take our view closer to end of the year, [indiscernible]
Well, I hope you're able to hear the answer clearly.
The next question is from the line of Andrey Purushottam from Cogito Advisors.
Congratulations for a consistent record of EBITDA and revenue growth. I had 2 questions. One more related to Technica and the other 2 operating expenses. And so tactics concerned, you said that Technica allows you to come in earlier in the software development cycle. Now, does that also mean that the value side of the deal will increase as a result of this? That's question one. And the second question is, are there any capabilities that Technica brings that may allow you to get clients outside the T25 that you may want to attach to this point of time.
Okay. Let me answer the 2 questions. A, as we mentioned earlier on, I think we were answering Nitin's question earlier on about -- yes, it does increase. It does stretch the wheel on both sides. It's not only, we get engaged earlier in the cycle, but we also stay much longer because we are stretching the right side of the V as well. And that naturally leads to a more meaningful longer-term engagement. So we absolutely see that going forward.
The second question was whether -- the good thing with technical, is their major clients are our major clients. So there is a good amount of overlap. And there is a lot more that we can do together in our other T25 clients with Technica. So that's something that we are going to focus on immediately. Having said that, Technica also has 1 or 2 clients in the Bay Area that are of interest to us from the the new OEMs perspective. So those are the 2 that we'll look at very closely. But I think that's going to be our go-to market pretty much with Technica. Anup, do you want to add?
I just want to reiterate, the focus from Technica acquisition perspective is leveraging within our customers, existing customers and their existing customers. So the theoretical answer of whether we could go out of T25, yes, but the choice remains scaling up with our customers and their customers at the moment.
And as far as the operating expenses are concerned, is it possible for you to give us a broad sense of the variance both Q-on-Q and year-on-year, and both on the operating expenses and the EBIT margin? And would it be right for me to presume that the salary hikes and the lower utilization because of a higher-pressure intake may be largely responsible for the lower profit figure?
So as we said earlier, the gross impact of the salary hikes was around 300 bps but if you see at the net impact on the EBITDA line, it's about 90 bps. So that is majorly because -- not majorly, all of it is because of the salary hikes as compared to the last quarter, the reduction in the EBITDA. If you look at the other expenses, I think on a part level because we are slowly getting back to operations starting from office, there are certain expenses that are going up. But obviously, I mean, if you look at the growth in those expenses over a period as compared to the growth in revenues, that has been lower, and that is how we have leveraged and improved our profitability.
And I would like you to appreciate that our profitability is not low. I think in through the quarter where there is such a this, I think it is in the range what we have mentioned.
And I think we should also look at the year-on-year numbers. Those are the real reflection of the performance. And on all 3 parameters, whether it's the revenue, the EBITDA and PAT, I think we have demonstrated reasonably on growth.
So can the structural margin trends improve going forward because that's what you are seeing to indicate, right, in terms of your outlook? And what would be the contributors to the improvement in the structural margin?
And the margins -- basically, can the margins go up in the near future? And if yes, what would be the contributors to that?
So we have given right now, 18.5% to 19%, I think, which is -- we have improved our outlook on the profitability, and that is what it will be for this year. Going forward, we have a certain levers in our hands. Apart from leveraging, first is growth, which is leverage over fixed expenses. We always invest ahead of time. The second is offshoring. I think many of these deals have started -- because I just said, large deals and et cetera. So after 6 months to 8 months, we have an opportunity to move a lot of work offshore. We believe our realizations will also improve. So these are some of the areas which we would like to say.
The next question is from the line of Ankit Agrawal from Yellowstone Equity.
Congrats on a decent set of numbers.
My first question is, in the input end segment, one of our deal from BMW. Given that BMW is a core client for us and infotainment is a segment where we also have service offerings. Just trying to understand, did we participate in the deal? And what is the kind of trend in terms of market share we have with BMW?
We would not like to comment on our client specific project or this. But I can only tell you that we have a very significant market share in that account. And they are probably one of the largest players in that account on the software side.
Okay. And in general, just a broader question then on the equine segment. Is that still a focus area because you don't mention it in the footnotes in the featured development and integration?
No, no. the third business unit, which we talked abou,t, the cloud and connected services. That includes connected infotainment and digital pocket. And that is actually growth quite significantly.
Okay. Understood. Understood. Okay. And then the second question is, just in general, some of the peers also announced that they are focusing more on system integration services. So what is the kind of competitive intensity you're seeing specific to integration space?
The way we look at our clients, as I mentioned earlier on, I think our T25 clients is where we are moving to a space where we are becoming trusted partners. And with many of them, we work with them on long-term engagement. And as far as competition is concerned, we don't see much competition in those where we are trusted partners in because in most areas that are relevant to us and common to them, we are the only ones. And that's what we are going to do more of going forward. There are a handful of clients where we are in that position today. And we hope that, that number will increase substantially over the next few years.
Having said that, in other T25 clients, we do see competition, but not necessarily across all of our practices, especially in the middleware area. And we feel very confident about all of our practices and growth thereof.
On the integration side, I think we have some significant advantage in terms of technology and the solutions and the platforms we have put.
I think this system integration word is a very sort of 25,000 feet kind of a word, and it is used differently in different industries. So if you look at industrial automation, system integration means completely different. Manufacturing, it would mean completely different.
In our space, in system integration, I think we are definitely the most -- from a competency perspective with Technica, I think we would be at the top now. So we don't see any challenge in this particular area.
The next question is from the line of [indiscernible] from Alcami Capital.
Kishor and Sachin, congratulations at the outset for great numbers and superb execution.
I just had one question, is that, how do you see the environment on the supply side easing out in terms of hiring talent, both at the pressure level as well as at the lateral level, considering that you have a very strong pipeline? Do you see that things have eased? Or are you finding it as difficult as it was a couple of quarters back. And as a result, are you even thinking of offshore centers outside of India?
Yes. So I will answer it in a couple of ways. Overall, we see more easing of the supply chain over last few months. mainly because of 2 things. One is, we see the attrition going down, which is a very important part for us because that's -- we can leverage our current employees much better. That is the first part.
The second is, of course, with more experience of these people, we can leverage the freshers also better. And again, we see campus recruitment coming back and more availability of people in that. Having said that, looking at overall, our -- what we intend to do in the next few years, we have taken a program called scope, which will allow us to double our capacity in the next few years. At least create that kind of a capacity by increasing the centers in India, centers outside India, then creating a better competency development, automation, then improving the processes internally. So how do we build a competent set of scale? From that perspective, we have taken this program. And we have made some significant progress in that area, having one center in India in Kochi, one center in Egypt and [ Opus ] with the acquisition, we have a couple of centers in Eurozone, timezone. So we are certainly looking at -- in all the way to improve our scalability.
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The next question is from the line of Dave from [indiscernible]
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Yes.
Okay. Sir, you report growth in -- for geographies in dollar terms, right? So can you report in CC terms, so that will be easier for comparison?
I think what we have been doing as a practice is reporting all the metrics in U.S. dollar reported terms, and that is what we have been doing. But we'll have a look at it, whether it is feasible and on a consistent basis, whether we can do it.
The next question is from the line of Karan from Dhanki Securities.
We'll move on to the next, that is from the line of [indiscernible] from Ashika Institutional Equities.
Congratulations on a good set of numbers. Sir, I have a few broad strategic question like what's our plan with respect to the domestic Indian market going forward? And also, the domestic PLI, which are being supported by government of Indian many industrials. So how do we look into those tailwinds which are available for the domestic business? And also, your outlook with respect to U.S. and Europe, because in Europe, certain peers have been affected due to this Russia, Ukraine war and -- is there any one-off -- one-off or a onetime business we've received in the last 2 quarters or then also in the same effect in current quarter order book, which you can shed some light on the same.
So first, I will answer on the Europe and U.S. I think we have shown a consistent growth there and our pipeline is strong. And we have not -- all our conversations have been positive. We talked about the logic why the spread is there. And at least we are confident about what we have talked about, the growth in both these regions.
In terms of India, see, some of these T25 clients are really being -- playing in the Indian environment and we are working with them, which are there. I think in certain specific new technologies, we are seeing what we have that can be leveraged for a specific -- very selective Indian market clients. And we are doing that on a -- very cautiously. But if we see a good realization and scale, then we would do that. And we are considering it in terms of certain changes, which can happen in Indian environment. Now overall, in India, we have been involved in certain policymaking, supporting different government bodies. We are leveraging our understanding and experience what we have on a global because we are part of many standards committee in Europe, et cetera. So we are leveraging that experience for Indian market and selecting specific opportunities, which we would have generally through T25 and some by exception.
The next question is from the line of Nitin Sharma from Mcpro Research.
Congrats on a good set of numbers. Two questions, if I may. Just want to understand, is the work from offices fully started at your end. And if not, then what kind of potential impact and timeline that could help?
What we have decided is, we are moving from work from home to hybrid. That's the part that we have initiated. And we're going to take one step at a time. For instance, those employees who are already here in Pune and Bangalore, where we have the largest presence or Kochi in future, we are encouraging them to consider office twice a week, and many of them are actually coming on their own. That's something that we have started. Secondly, we also believe that the training, especially that of freshers, and we need to have more interaction with them. So that's another part that we will start.
However, we are not in a hurry to go to the other extreme from work from home, but we will do in over a period of time is to bring in sharper focus and some guardrails around the hybrid model. That's something that we will do here in India where 80% of our employees are. And in other geographies, we'll see, depending on the convenience of the clients and the convenience of the employees, we'll figure out what's really right for them, right? So that's the approach that we are taking.
Any immediate impact on the operations cost for the hybrid because it has to be some costs from the training as well as office-related expenses this year?
I think it's already baked into our annual operations plan. We had already thought that there -- people will gradually start to come back and that we're baked in. So it's not going to be a surprise to us.
One impact we had was the engineering schools, which worked virtually in the past 2 years. We thought that their training needs to be a little longer when they come into corporate world. So our training cycle has, to some extent, increase. But of course, that's a part of our plan.
Okay. And if I can see the book helping question...
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The next question is from the line of [indiscernible] from [indiscernible] Financial.
Yes. Sir, just one clarification on the depreciation question. Actually, the line was not clear. So, the impact will be significant, or it will not be significant?
Which one are you referring to? Are you referring to quarter-on-quarter?
So Technica acquisition and the associated depreciation, which will come in, you mentioned that... Sorry.
I said we can't right now mention details because the consolidation has not yet happened. We will go through the process and then disclose to the -- in the results.
And you mentioned something that it would be significant or insignificant. So I missed that part.
No, no. What we have said earlier is, when we talked about -- when we signed a deal, what we have said is, this is going to be EPS accretive. And we are to consider certain purchase price allocation which will impact our [indiscernible] but despite -- I mean, after that impact, we will still be EPS accretive on the team. That is what we have said. Now the exact quantum of how much it would be and will all happen once we do the consolidation. And we have a year to do it. So what we have said is, it will not have any material impact this year. And when we crystallize the numbers, we will let everybody know what are those numbers.
The next question is from the line of [indiscernible] from SUD Life.
Congrats on great set of numbers. So my 2 questions. So growth from non-T25 clients seem to be muted from past 3 quarters. So any update on the same? And secondly, if I look at the headcount addition Y-o-Y, it is nearly 50% as growth of, let's say, 27% Y-o-Y this quarter and for the full year as well, nearly 23% sort of growth numbers. So any reason for the gap, if you can highlight?
No, we have already said that if you look at the last at least 2, 3 quarters, our headcount addition has been much higher because we are looking at good growth opportunities in the future. We are also hiring freshers who take a little bit of more time to come into the mainstream as far as getting absorbed into projects is concerned. And I think that is why the headcount addition has been higher in the last 2, 3 quarters.
And coming to your other question on non-T25 there is a very good reason why the growth is muted because that's by design. We believe that our T25 clients, the [indiscernible] program and their future technology is very critical. And there -- more and more of them are choosing us to be their partner. Our party is to make sure that we help them be successful in their journey, and we go deep and wide with them. That remains our focus. Hence, the growth from non-T25 muted.
Sorry to interrupt. I think we'll have to take just one last question. And as I said earlier, if there are any more questions, please write them to me, and we would answer them and publish them on the website as well as on the exchanges.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraints, that was the last question. I now hand the conference over to the management for the closing comments.
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