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Jindal Steel And Power Ltd
Earnings Call Analysis
Q1-2025 Analysis
Jindal Steel And Power Ltd
In the latest quarterly meeting, Jindal Steel & Power provided a comprehensive overview of their Q1 FY '25 results along with future projections. The senior management team elaborated on the company’s operational performance, financial health, and strategic initiatives.
The company achieved a 4% increase in sales volume on a quarter-on-quarter basis and a 14% increase on a year-on-year basis, amounting to 2.09 million tonnes this quarter. This growth was primarily driven by higher sales of HSM (Hot Strip Mill) products. Steel sales realization also saw a slight increase of 1% from the previous quarter【4:0†source】.
The adjusted EBITDA for Q1 FY '25 was INR 2,831 crore, marking a 13% increase quarter-on-quarter. This growth was mainly attributed to higher sales volumes and improved cost efficiency at their plants. As a result, the Profit After Tax (PAT) spiked by 43% compared to the previous quarter, reaching INR 1,338 crore【4:0†source】.
The company reported a consolidated net debt of INR 10,462 crore at the end of Q1, down from INR 11,203 crore in the previous quarter. This reduction was due to debt repayments made during the quarter. The net debt-to-EBITDA ratio stands strong at 1x, setting a benchmark in the industry【4:0†source】.
Operational costs saw a significant reduction due to lower prices of coking coal and thermal coal, along with improved productivity. The company expects these costs to drop further in the next quarter by about $30 to $35 per tonne【4:0†source】.
Capital expenditure for the quarter was INR 2,796 crore. On the project front, the company is making good progress on its 6 million MTPA expansion project, aiming to complete key facilities like the blast furnace and BOF by Q4 FY '25 and other ancillary facilities within the next 9-12 months【4:0†source】【4:1†source】.
The product mix saw a shift, with a move towards more value-added products. The ratio changed from 68% long and 32% flat last year to 57% long and 43% flat this quarter. This transition was driven by higher returns on finished products as compared to semi-finished goods【4:0†source】【4:1†source】.
As the company moves into the second quarter, they anticipate a slight 1% decline in net sales realizations. Despite this, they are confident in their ability to maintain a robust sales volume of over 2 million tonnes per quarter. The management also addressed the delays in the commissioning of several capacities, now expected to conclude by Q4 FY '25, with supplementary projects extending into the next financial year【4:0†source】【4:1†source】.
Exports for the last quarter stood at 0.15 million tonnes. While the management did not provide future guidance on exports, they noted that export volumes would depend on favorable international market conditions and demand-supply dynamics【4:0†source】【4:1†source】.
In closing, the management emphasized their commitment to enhancing operational efficiencies, achieving project milestones, and maintaining financial discipline. They invited analysts to visit their facilities for a better understanding of ongoing projects【4:0†source】【4:1†source】.
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Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Jindal Steel & Power Q1 FY '25 results Conference Call hosted by IIFL Securities Limited. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Anupam Gupta from IIFL Securities Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Yes. Thanks, Deepika, and it's my pleasure to host this India Infoline for Jindal Steel & Power for the 1Q FY '25 Results Conference Call. To start off with, I'll hand it over to Vishal Chandak, from Investor Relations and Strategic Finance for introductions and taking it forward.
Over to you, sir.
Thank you very much, Anupam. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for attending this Q1 FY '25 investor briefing for Jindal Steel's Q1 call. We have with the senior management from the company, Mr. Sabyasachi Bandyopadhyay, Executive Director, full time Director; Mr. Pankaj Malhan, CEO of Steel Business, Angul; and Mr. Sunil Kumar, CFO.
Without much ado, I would like to hand over the call to Sunil sir for his opening remarks.
Over to you, sir.
Yes. Thanks, Vishal. So good evening to everyone. Let us begin with the operational performance of the company for the first quarter of financial year '25. Sales volume for the quarter witnessed increased by 4% on a quarter-on-quarter basis and 14% on a Y-on-Y basis and that to 2.09 million tonnes. The growth has mainly come from higher sale of HSM products. Our steel sales realization also saw slight upstick of around 1% on a quarter-on-quarter basis.
As we progress into second quarter of the financial year '25 we feel slightly level of softening of NSR by 1%. Our SMS costs in the quarter witnessed a considerable drop owing to lowering of both coking coal price and thermal coal price along with superior productivity in our operations. Further, we are expecting closing of coking coal price in Q2, '25 by around $30 to $35 per tonne.
Our adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter -- for the first quarter, was INR 2,831 crores, which is 13% higher on a quarter-on-quarter basis, mainly on account of higher sales volume, higher sales rising and cost efficiency achieved at our plants. Our PAT surged by 43% on a quarter-on-quarter basis to INR 1,338 crores. This is mainly due to higher EBITDA and lower losses at our subsidies.
Now, let us walk through our debt profile. Our consolidated net debt is INR 10,462 crores at the end of quarter 1, which has dropped from INR 11,203 crores reported during the last quarter. This is mainly due to repayment of -- made during the quarter. This has further helped to each already strong net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of 1x, which is by far the base hedged by industry standards.
Our CapEx in the quarter stood at INR 2,796 crores. With regard to project for 6 million in MTPA extension project, the progress of project is well -- going well at ground level, and we are targeting to a completion in record time. As you are aware, we have commissioned HSM in record time, and we aim to continue the thrust on the -- to achieve the project completion in record time. Initially, we have projected an aggressive time line to complete the project where that we now see some time over them. We are targeting to complete the major facility that is blast furnace, BOF, CRM, well, within time line by Q4 of financial year '25. The remaining ancillary facility will be completed in another 9 to 12 months.
With this, I will conclude and hand over for Q&A session. Thanks.
Vishal, over to Q&A.
Operator, can you please on the line for the Q&A.
[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line Amit Dixit, ICICI Securities.
Congratulations for a good performance. I have 2 questions. The first one is actually on the project completion status. Now we don't have the presentation as yet with us. But going from the last presentation that you uploaded in the last earnings call, there were several capacities that were going to come in Q2 FY '25 BOF-II, be the BOF-II, et cetera. Now in your prepared remarks, you had mentioned that these have been delayed by a couple of quarters. And the -- so my first question here is that where -- when do we expect BOF-III, et cetera, which were to come in Q4 FY '25, when they will come up now?
And part b of question is on the coal mine. So what is the status of this coal mine, coal materialization, what kind of captive coal did we get in this quarter? So this is the first question essentially. And what caused this delay? If you could highlight broadly, that would be very helpful.
Pankaj. You just...
Sure. Thanks, Sunil. Thanks for this wonderful question. I think I must put it on record that JSP commissioned the HSM in a record time, which is 29 months. Going forward and looking into the kind of projects that we're doing, which are mega projects in nature, we are talking about completing BOF as well as BF-II for a long time, which would be close to March '25. And we don't see a big challenge as of now where we are positioned. If I really compare with the industry standards, we would be still the fastest to execute this project in the time lines that we are committing.
Second question, which you asked was on coal mines. Coal mines, as you all are aware that we've already started our Utkal C mines. We have got approvals for Utkal B1, and we're in the process of starting that my mine also now.
Third question which you asked was what were the causes for the delay in terms of the larger projects that we have come across. If I was to say this year, be the happening year for the country in terms of general merchants. And then also we experienced a very unprecedented heat wave in Orissa. So while they were good times that we would -- could have pulled up our project that we lost because of these 2 larger reasons. There was some kind of demobilization of the workforce, that the workforce is back home right now. And we are gearing up to make sure we deliver the project well on time. Thank you.
Okay. Sir, the second question is essentially on the sales volume. So if we look at it after a very long time, we have crossed 2 million tonnes in a quarter. Now if you could just highlight what would be the incremental volume that you would have got from Hot Strip Mill, particularly if -- I mean, from the arrangement we have with RINL. That would be very helpful.
If I was to speak about quarter 4, when we started our Hot Strip Mill to quarter 1 of FY '25. The jump is close to double, in terms of HSM volumes. So that's what we've gone to the market. That's an excellent ability, if I was to now put on records. This is one of the fastest ramp-up somebody would have seen for a Hot Strip Mill of this size. So we are very hopeful as and when the stream comes in from the newer facilities. Our HSM is fully geared up to take back their capacities.
But how much did HSM do in this quarter, Q1 FY '25?
We are sitting on a plan of close to 3 million tonnes. As of now, we did in quarter 1 versus roughly around 450 kt.
Sorry, sir, I didn't hear you. Can you please repeat the last part?
450 kt.
450 kt. Okay, fine.
Ladies and gentlemen, the next question is from the line of Sumangal Nevatia, Kotak Securities.
Congratulations on good set of numbers. Before the questions, I'll just request in future, if we can have some more time between the call and the results to better understand the results in the con call.
My first question is again on competing what Amit was asking about the time line. Now last 5 to 6 quarters, we've been constantly pushing the time lines, delaying for delays and at the same time, communicating that we are building enough margin of safety and we will commission within the upgraded time line. So I just want to understand, I mean, how do we get confidence? And in case we are very sure about fourth quarter blast furnace to commissioning, is it possible to share some sort of volume guidance for FY '25 that can come from this plant? That's my first question.
Pankaj, can you take the question, please?
Sure. I'll take this one. Thanks for the question, first of all. Going into this project side, you all would agree this is our mega project, first of all. And any mega project of this size would have a lot of hurdles and challenges. Fortunately, for this project, we are on the adapt in terms of, first of all, right engineering, rights that are boding well in time, getting deliveries well on time. There have been challenges which are beyond the control of the organization, which I just spelled a while back.
And going into that, we have come up with some kind of differential policies in our units to make sure the learnings, which came out of this time, we overcome those kind of learnings. Like we've come up with the workman incentivization that is working very well for us. We have seen a work plan, which dropped by around 30%. Now it's over the 10%, the peak that we have seen. That's the confidence that we believe in.
Second, the resource mobilization, which slightly got disturbed during the last quarter, then that's all back in home. Third, we are making sure that we take care of our contractors and we are working to a level that we take care of our own employees. So we are very confident the way we have actually seen in the last 2 months after the elections, the pace is very great. And we are very hopeful that we would get BF-II home by March '25.
Just to add on to this, even if we are able to do this by March '25, which we are very confident. This would be in flat 4 years from the time of announcement. This could be a record in India for all sorts, especially for large mega projects like that you're pursuing within about 6 million tonnes. If you take look at any of the brownfield projects Sumangal, none of them have come up before 5 years. That's the best achievement so far. And with all the challenges before us, we are still trying to complete this by 4 years' time frame.
Understood. Understood. Is it possible to have some sort of a volume guidance for this year and next year, given the confidence of commissioning these projects now?
I think Sumangal, we'd be in a better position to talk more about the volumes as we draw closer to the commissioning time lines. I mean, that would be a fair time line for us to give a volume guidance for this next year.
Understood. Just last set of question. One is, I mean, any update on Utkal B1, B2 where is the approval process as of today. And in the opening remarks, there was some commentary on the cost and price movement that you're expecting for the second quarter? If you could just repeat that.
So let me take this one. In terms of the approvals, which I just spoke about, we have only secured the approvals right now with us. The last approval is expected any time from now. And we are in the process of starting the coal mine B, Utkal B rather, B1, I would say. I'm hoping that in the next 2 months' time, we should be in a position to start that.
Okay. And the guidance on the cost and prices for the next quarter?
Sunil, would you like to do this?
Yes, yes. Sure, certainly. So we are expecting around $30 to $35 in coking coal price savings in the Q2.
Understand. And iron ore and steel price?
So the steel price, we have seen the recent auctions, and we are seeing around INR 500 to INR 1,000 per tonne as iron ore price as well. So in the growth front, we are seeing the cost reduction.
The next question is from the line of Kirtan Mehta, BOB Capital.
Just in terms of the project targets, would you also highlight the time lines for the other components like pellet plant to DRI to CRM complex and plate mill, which were also targeted in the second half of the year, is there -- would there be a shift in those as well?
Kirtan, we have already -- the presentation is now available. So you can actually refer to those numbers quickly from there.
Sure, we'll do that. In terms of the pellet plant, would you be able to sort of highlight the current run rate, pellet plant to that we had started earlier? What is the current run rate for the same?
So Pankaj, can you just take up this one?
Yes. I think, if I was to give you the current level, we are close to a run rate of 4 million tonnes for the year.
Right, sir. And in terms of when we are targeting the BOF in BF-II by March, to deliver on that, what should we have been achieved by December so that we understand that will remain on track. Just to sort of give us an intermediate milestone to improve the confidence with the investors on delivery.
So when I say 4 billion tonnes, which means we are almost going to hit the capacity 6 million tonnes as and when it is going to come up. So I think we would be able to see BF-II straight from our pallet plant.
I understood about the pellet plant. I was asking with reference to the BF-II and BOF-II, which we are targeting by March '25, the commissioning. What would be target and achieved by December to remain on track for March '25 commissioning? Would you be able to share some intermediate milestones?
Kirtan, I think we would want to plan a visit for all the analysts and for you to see the kind of work which is currently going on the ground. Because if Pankaj sir, starts telling you the list of all the activities, probably will spend next 2 hours only detailing all these activities. So I would be happy to take the entire block to a plant where post the earnings season is over. And for you to see on the ground how the construction work is currently going on.
Sure. Any update on the RINL and MoUs, how the progress has been?
Yes. RINL, MoU progressed quite well. But unfortunately, some uncontrollable factors that RINL level 5 because of some strike at Gangavaram port that derailed the entire stuff because they have to put off their blast furnaces, 2 of them. So they are in the process of revising and we are in touch with the highest level write-down and see how we can revise our relationship with RINL.
[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Ritesh Shah, Investec.
A couple of questions. Sir, first, is it possible to quantify the average consumption cost for both iron ore as well as coking coal in the quarter?
So Ritesh, we don't give numbers for iron ore and coking coal in absolute terms. So we have did mention that there is a possibility of a saving about $30 to $35 for the next quarter.
I just wanted to understand the economics of Kasia and Tensa mines...
That I would leave it for you to judge. It's -- we don't typically give guidances on iron ore cost and coking coal costs, absolutely.
So let me put it the other way around, the blended iron ore costing for us, is it lower than what you would have secured from procuring via NMDC?
Again, Ritesh, you are coming back to the same question as to benchmark our costs. I think these are highly competitive questions. Our cost is -- look at the EBITDA per tonne that we have versus our peers, and you will see that we are integrated from a cost perspective by only about 30% from iron ore and nothing from coking coal side. Despite this, we have been able to gather industry-beating EBITDA margins for the quarter, but it still tells us about our superiority, not in terms of iron ore and cost, iron ore and coking coal procurement, but also in terms of our volume and value-added sales.
Just trying to appreciate what you're doing, that's why asking this question. That's fine. My second question is on RINL. Would it be possible for you to source the volume and value?
Sorry to interrupt, Mr. Shah. May we request you that you return to the question queue for follow-up questions as there are several analysts waiting for their turn.
The next question is from the line of Ashish Kejriwal from Nuvama Institutional Equities.
Sir, 2 quick questions. One, is it possible to share how much CapEx we have already done out of this INR 31,000 crores? And secondly, in Utkal B1, I think we were trying to increase our approval from 3.4 million to 5 million tonnes, where we are? And in coking coal, you mentioned that in first quarter, how much cost we have already witnessed down. Second quarter, I know, $30, $35, but in first quarter, how much coking coal price was down quarter-on-quarter?
So from the CapEx side, we have already incurred around INR 17,500 crores on these projects.
Okay. And so regarding Utkal B1 and coking coal price?
I think you are referring to Utkal C.
Sorry, yes, Utkal C, sorry. Yes.
Utkal C, we have already mentioned. Pankaj, you just take up this one?
Yes, sir. As we said, at the 3 years, we have given a guidance that we would be increasing our EC from 3.37% to potentially 4.78%. That could be happening and that's happening on track. We are at the last leg of approvals right now. And I'm hoping in the next 2, 2.5 months' time, we should be able to increase our capacities in Utkal C.
Sure. So in the next 2, 3 months, we are expecting Utkal B1 to start and capacity increase in Utkal C?
Correct.
And sir, lastly, what coking coal Q1, how much down it was?
Sunil, can you take this?
This is $23.
It's $23, you said, no?
Yes. Yes, $23 per tonne.
The next question is from the line of Vikash Singh, PhillipCapital.
Am I audible?
Yes, please.
My first question pertains to our volumes, given we didn't get much of the RINL and that is due I know that we don't give the volume guidance, but at least, are we confident to maintain at least that 2 million tonnes plus run rate going forward? Or there is a ambiguity there as well?
No, we are confident on maintaining that volume level.
So at least 2 million tonnes plus per quarter, we would be able to maintain and RINL would be over and above that?
Yes.
Understood, sir. Sir, secondly, I know the other critical percent got delayed because of the lame terms of project. But I just wanted to understand this levy pipeline, which was relatively easier task than the blast furnace and have a very good impact on our total loan cost savings? That was supposed to come in 1Q, which hasn't come. So any time it's a specific reason on timeline by when we can have that?
Pankaj, can you take that, please?
I think slurry pipeline kind of a project we all know they are very, very intensive projects. While work have been doing very good over that kind of a project. But again, because of elections, there have been some kind of delays in terms of securing approvals, things are back on track, and we are actually getting on the ground in the right way. And we are hopeful by the end of this financial year, we should see this project goals coming up.
Understood, sir. That's all from my end. And just a request that just to have some more time before the results in call.
The next question is from the line of Kamlesh Jain, Lotus Asset Managers.
Sir, just one question on the part of the realizations. You have mentioned about the cost reduction. So how -- what change we are expecting in the realization quarter-on-quarter?
So as I mentioned, so we are expecting -- we have done better in this quarter, but there is a softening of price by 1%. We are just seeing as of now, in the softening in the realization around 1%.
Okay. And sir, on the part of our BOF-III and DRI-II? So let's say, is entire ordering being done because no doubt, it has been delayed, but it is getting delayed like quarter after quarter. And like say, last, in the November 2023, we had that revision than we, let's say, got back to the earlier schedule. So on this particular DRI-II and BOF-III, so like on that part, how much ordering has been done? Or what is the pending part there?
Pankaj, can you take that, please?
I must say the company being very good in terms of -- prudent in terms of spending of the CapEx, first of all. And we've been very cautious about each and every movement happening on the ground and how we are progressing in the project. As of now, we don't see any big hick ups in terms of ordering, things are well in well oil in terms of orders and deliveries. So I think we should be able to get on the time lines that we do.
Okay. And Q1 FY '26 is the time line for your coke coal and other auxiliary facilities. So then the production or the utilization of the BOF-I and BOF and BF. So that can take roughly around 6 months of time from the production rate like that is Q4 FY '25. So the production or the iteration in the first year of the production, can be at around 50-odd percent? Can we assume that?
See facilities to this size need some time for ramp up. And if you look into the industry ramp-ups, we've been almost in from, say, 6 to 12 months' time. The way we are confident, the way we have delivered our HSM ramp-up, we are hopeful of delivering these ramp-ups also faster. And in terms of coke ovens, what we mentioned, yes, we are mindful of that stuff. But because of some internal cokes, which is there, plus something that we can source from various important markets or maybe from the domestic market, we are hopeful of starting our BF.
Just to add on to what Pankaj sir, mentioned. As the blast furnace ramps up, the requirement for coking coal anyways will not be as high as once that's fully done. So we will not have major challenges in securing the coking coal or coke at that point in time. So it should not impact our profitability in a significant time in any ways.
The next question is from the line of Rajesh Majumdar, B&K Securities.
Sir, I had a question on the project cost also. You mentioned that there is going to be a little bit of a delay in terms of the execution. But how about the cost? Is there going to be an escalation with cost as well? That was my first question.
Yes, Sunil.
Yes. So we are not expecting any cost escalation on the overall project cost, which we have designed. So whatever we have mentioned we will be completing all projects within that cost that we are not seeing any major deviation from that.
Okay. So it's only a time overrun due to some labor delays, et cetera, or any cost over. Is that correct?
Yes. We have the contingency built within that. So we will manage that cost increase in the contingency that we have kept.
Sorry, I've not been able to see the PPT yet, but what is the debt now and what is the debt that we envisaged after the project completion?
So we have maintained that we will maintain 1.5x of net debt to EBITDA that we will be maintained. That is our target, and we will be within that range.
And right now, we are under 1%.
Right now, we are at 1%.
What is the aggregate amount of debt right the absolute amount?
Rajesh, we have mentioned that we will not breach 1.5x net debt to EBITDA at all times. So right now, we are at 1x, our net debt for the quarter is about INR 10,462 crores.
Right, that's helpful. And my second question was, sir, you mentioned just a 1% drop in the NSR so far, you've seen but the market trends are showing a much more significant growth. So how confident are we that the drop is going to be just 1% and not more than that for the quarter? Because it's also a lean season for the construction activity. So could it be that the drop in the NSR is sharper than 1% in what you envisage?
So we are not giving any guidance on that part. So as of now, we are seeing this that much of -- since we have different product mix in our basket for our finished goods. So as of now, we are saying 1% down. So future, we can't give you the guidance.
Just to clarify the point what Sunil is trying to make is the guidance. It's not the guidance, it's the actual deliveries that we have seen in quarter 1. That's the blended NSR drop of almost a percent.
Okay. Okay. Okay. That's useful. And sir, one last question, if I can squeeze in. Is that -- what was the exports for the quarter? And where do you see the trend for that going forward?
So exports for the quarter, last quarter was 0.15 million tonnes and that was there. So future we will -- normally, we will not see -- give the future guidance on that.
So because the quotas, et cetera, have already been announced for the year. So you will have a fair idea of how much can the exports be for this year, right? That's why.
So all that depends on the international market and the demand supply. So if we get to that quantity, certainly, we'll love to export, but that depends on our market conditions.
And the export NSR, sir, last question, sorry, yes.
We don't have right now the export NSR specifically.
We don't discuss export and domestic guidance, Rajesh, you know our policy. Let's not put here.
[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Raashi Chopra, Citi.
Just my first question back on realization, to be clear. You mentioned there was a 1% decline that you witnessed in this quarter 1 or there's a 1% decline that we will witness in quarter 2 versus quarter 1?
So no, I will just repeat. So our 1%, there was increase in 1% realization in Q1. And as of now, we are setting out in July meet. So as of now, we are seeing drop of 1% as compared to last quarter.
Okay, that's clear. Secondly, on the volume side. So is it safe to assume that the RINL issues are not yet resolved?
Raashi, the RINL issues are still not resolved. The company is still getting supplies in the Gangavaram port and they are in the process of restarted the blast furnace. Once that restarts, then only we can have a stable supply of billets from there, which can augment and fill up to the volumes that we have been looking forward to.
So the increase that you've seen in the HSM in this quarter, have you had to cut compromise on the long side or there was adequate material?
So we always mentioned that we have about 1 million tonnes of selling that is waiting to be converted mainly finished products because of the balances in our selected lines, this was being sold off. So now that imbalance is taken care of. So we are now converting our existing semi into finished theory.
And also one of the reasons where you see improvement in our NSRs compared to the industry standards. As our product mix is improving quarter-on-quarter.
Okay. Just on coking coal, just to understand -- sorry, on thermal coal just to be clear. The EC for Gare Palma is 4 million tonnes and Utkal C, you're taking up from 3.4 million to 5 million tonnes?
Yes. Yes. Yes.
And so that EC will increase in the next couple of months and Utkal B1 will also start in the next couple of months?
Yes.
And sir, B1, B2 combine with 8 million tonnes. So is B1 is permanent or is there a...
B1 is 5.5 million tonnes, B2 is 2.5 million tonnes. We are planning to increase the EC limits for Gare Palma IV/6 and as well as Utkal C to 5 million tonne each. So as Pankaj sir mentioned, we are targeting to do it as soon as possible.
Okay. Even Gare Palma will increase?
Right.
Okay. And 5.5 million of Utkal B1 should start sometime, right?
We are hopeful. We should.
Okay. And just one last question for me...
Ms. Raashi, sorry to interrupt you, may I please request you to return to the question queue for follow-up question as we have other analysts who are waiting for their questions. The next question is from the line of Amit Murarka, Axis Capital.
My question is on product mix. So you mentioned that you did point 4 million, 5 million tonnes of HRC in this quarter. So did all of that come from a shift from semis to HRC? Or was there some reduction in some other products also?
So I will give you an overarching composition of the long and the flat. So as compared to the last year of 68% to long and 32% flat. In the first quarter, this financial year, we have been 57% long and 43% flat, if that answers your question.
I think Amit, to put a plain simple TMT market has been very good, so there was no need to cut down on the long product side. What we have reduced from our portfolio in the quarter is primarily on the semis and the semis that we -- that do not fetch us margins as high as HRC. Our endeavor has always been to maximize the EBITDA. So we have been following the same philosophy.
Sure. Also, I mean, I frankly couldn't understand it fully in the -- I think one of the earlier questions, you explained why there's only a 1% drop in realization versus what we are seeing at least and the market pricing that you see? I mean could you just please explain that one more time?
As I mentioned earlier, see as of now, we are sitting on one thing. So for this month, we are seeing around 1% drop in our realizations. As overall steel mix that we are discussing.
And there is no specific guidance on that.
No, no, we are not giving any guidance for the Q2, but this is basically what we have achieved till now.
No, no. I understand you don't want to give guidance, but just trying to understand because the pricing that we see at least at our end, showing a decent enough fall even for HRC and for rebar it's a bigger fall. So that 1% number is something that was looking lower in that context.
The projects that we see on the subscription that we all look at they are all generic products. These are all over-the-counter products kind of thing. While at JSP, we have about 60% of it is all value-add. So depending upon the market and the product which fetches us the best EBITDA, we focus on that. So if you typically would want to match it with the pricing, which is available by the pricing indices, it would be very difficult to match that. But rest assured, our endeavor is to ensure that we deliver highest EBITDA. And if it takes to improve our larger product mix accordingly on a sequential basis, we are always agile to do that.
May I add a point or 2 here. Yes. I think one of the brilliant pieces of ours is that the flexibility and the agility that Vishal is trying to point out. We can switch between products very easily depending on how the market is behaving or how the overall business is behaving. And we can adjust ourselves or adapt ourselves to different product lines very easily. And that's what remains our biggest strength, core strength.
The next question is from Parthiv Jhonsa, Anand Rathi.
Just to get some clarity on the mines. I believe that you are enhancing the EC at multiple mines. So can you quantify what would be the output for FY '25, as far as the coal is concerned?
So we are looking at 5 million tonnes from Gare Palma, and Utkal C is estimated at 4.7 million tonnes, so total 9.7 million tonnes.
So this would be the absolute...
The reason is, due to -- we will give a bit for a guidance at a later date when we open the mines.
All right. Also one very quick question on the ASP. I believe, is my understanding correct that you pointed out that in the first quarter, the ASP increased by 1% compared to the previous quarter?
Yes, yes.
But if I just put it on a very quick calculation on a consol basis, you did about INR 13,600-odd crores with a 2.09 million tonne kind of a number, it works out to a bit lower than INR 67,000-odd crores what you did in the fourth quarter.
So Parthiv, listen...
If my understanding, there has been some mismatch audio.
Starting with -- see in the previous quarter, we had mentioned that our top line included sales to our RINL. The raw materials we have supplied to RINL was probably top line. Okay. In this quarter, it was not the case. Hence, what Sunil sir has mentioned is on a like-to-like basis, what is the steel NSR.
Okay. Okay. Got it. Perfect. That feels a lot of...
Yes. What I mentioned is on steel NSR currently.
Perfect, perfect. That clears a lot confusion.
The next question is from the line of Rahul Gupta, Morgan Stanley.
So just to understand and clear confusion around how the steel prices are moving vis-à-vis what you are seeing for your products. Can you just help us understand what share of products would be or what share of volumes would be contract-based volumes, which are more than 3 months? So basically, what is the share of contracts which are more than 3 months?
I think, Rahul, we do not divulge that kind of an information on the calls as to what kind of products are on a long-term basis. What we can tell you is fairly about 60% of our sales are on account of value-add mix and that is on account of both project base as well as spot sales.
So that's very helpful. Just -- we are just trying to understand where is the delta. Are you implying that prices for value-added products have not moderated as sharply as we are seeing for plain vanilla products?
Absolutely. If you look at our product profile, we manufacture some of the products for which we are the only manufacturers in India, we have import substitution. So there, because of the strong demand, we have not seen as much as moderation as you have seen in the commodity-grade products. So therefore -- and we have also -- you also have to appreciate the fact that our HSM is ramping up. So our sales has going down on a Q-on-Q basis. So that is also helping us improve our overall NSR.
Got it. That's helpful. If I can squeeze in. Just want to understand separately your subsidiaries numbers have been quite volatile. So how should we read what's happening over there? Is there any update on what's happening in Australia? Or how should we model these numbers going forward?
I think, Rahul, we can connect offline on the subsidiaries because that is not something which we are really very focused on from a story perspective of JSP. The JSP's entire story is not all about the growth at Jindal Steel Plant. And that's really what we want to focus. But if you still want to have some clarity, we can connect offline.
Operator, we have space for just last question.
This will be the last question from Mr. Nirbhay Mahawar, N Square Capital.
I wanted to have your medium-term outlook for a steel market, how do you see as India turned from net exporter to a net importer now and we have got significant capacity addition in the domestic front. So I am not looking for any guidance, but how do you see this environment over the next 1 to 2 years?
So I think one of the most promising aspect that has happened, is the budget presentation where big infrastructure boost has been announced with INR 11 lakh crores, more than that, almost 3.4% of the GDP. And I think that's one of the -- I mean, it's just a very global outlook that we are trying to give you. And given the flexibility that we have in our product profile, and the infrastructure-oriented products that we have in our basket along with value-added grades. I think we are slated for good growth. And even though the last year performance shows net imports. I think overall, initiatives on various grid developments and capability establishment is also coming in sync with replacing those substitution levels. So I think we are in for a good growth for the overall Indian steel industry.
Sure. So would it be fair to assume that domestic demand only will be the driver and we would be probably largely moving away from the export market as an industry?
I mean, this is my personal opinion altogether. And since you were asking the question, I would rather say, yes, India is on a very high growth ramp-up with almost close to 8% GDP. So I think that it's fair to say that almost entire steel industry in India will be focused on domestic growth rather than export orientation. But having said that, there are opportunities in export that no one will get rid of. So we remain focused on the flexibility of our business execution.
Ladies and gentlemen, I now hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.
Okay. So this is Sabyasachi. Good evening once again to everybody, all the participants. Thank you for your interest in our business profile and our performance. We essentially appreciate all the questions that you have tabled in front of us. Unfortunately, we are not in a position to provide any future guidance. But we remain very much focused on improving the performance. One of our core values are -- is better than before.
So for us, we consider opportunities as limitless. And setting goals, we do not limit ourselves, but we always have a business plan that we work ourselves to. Having said that, again, we are extremely, extremely focused on agility, versatility and adaptability. So those are one of our major trust areas in terms of execution of the business. We will again be always at your doorstep for any further clarification, Vishal has already given you a very good invite. Please take a time out to plan a visit to Angul. And you'll be able to see on the ground activities, which will give a much better perspective of the progress.
Thank you once again, and we look forward to another quarter better than before. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much, sir. On behalf of IIFL Securities Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.
Thank you.
Thank you.