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Earnings Call Transcript
2023-Q3

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Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q3 FY '23 Earnings Conference Call of CG Power and Industrial Solutions Limited, hosted by DAM Capital Advisors Limited. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Ms. Bhoomika Nair from DAM Capital Advisors. Thank you, and over to you, ma'am.

B
Bhoomika Nair
analyst

Thanks, Jennie. Good evening, everyone. On behalf of DAM Capital, I would like to welcome you to the Q3 FY '23 earnings call of CG Power and Industrial Solutions Limited. We have the management today being represented by Mr. N. Srinivasan, Managing Director; Mr. Susheel Todi, CFO, Mr. Ramesh Kumar, President, Industrial Division; Mr. Mukul Srivastava, President, Power Systems; and Mr. Ranjan Singh, Executive Vice President, Railway.

I'll now hand over the floor to Mr. Srinivasan for his initial remarks, post which we'll open up the floor for Q&A. Over to you, sir.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

So thank you, Bhoomika. Let me extend a warm welcome to all of you. Since I have a throat infection, I will request my colleague, Susheel Todi to summarize the performance for Q3. We have already released the press release to the exchange this morning. Thank you. Over to Susheel.

S
Susheel Todi
executive

Good afternoon, everyone. Just to start with our phase 3, Q3 FY '22-'23 performance. Our Y-o-Y sales grew 14% and PBT grew by 70%. All the business the company performed significantly well in the quarter 3 of FY '23. It is almost registering a growth of 70% in the PBT. Sales and PBT recorded in the quarter were highest in the recent times.

Aggregate sales for the quarter were higher at INR 1,645 crores, recording a growth of 14% Y-o-Y and 4% on quarter-on-quarter. PBT was INR 274 crores, which is coming around 16.6% of the sales in Q3 FY '23, as against the INR 161 crores, 11.1% of the sales in the quarter 3 of FY '22.

INR 237 crores, which is 14.9% of the sales in quarter 2 of FY '23. Margins were higher on account of better price realizations, higher volumes, favorable product mix, moderation in input cost and the procurement efficiencies. Our ROC on annualized basis for the quarter 3 was 55% as against "% in the quarter 3 of FY '22.

During the quarter, we have generated free cash flow of INR 202 crores. Our order intake for the quarter 3 was INR 2,219 crores. We grew around 21% of Y-o-Y basis. An unexecuted order book added 31 December '22 was INR 4,136 crores, 34% higher on Y-o-Y basis.

Now we come to the segment performance. Industrial Systems, aggregate sales for the quarter were higher at INR 1,162 crores, recording a growth of 14% of Y-o-Y basis and 6% on a quarter-over-quarter basis.

PBIT was INR 213 crores, which comes to 18.3% of the sales in Q3 FY '23, aid against INR 144 crores, 14.2% of the sales in the quarter 3 of FY '22 and INR 195 crores, 17.8% of the sales in the quarter 2 of FY '23.

Margins were higher on account of the better price realization, higher volume, favorable product mix, moderate in the input cost and the procurement efficiencies. Order intake for the quarter 3 for FY '23 was INR 1,357 crores. It worked to 24% growth of Y-o-Y and unexecuted order book for the industrial system for 31st December '22 was INR 1,824 crores, 17% higher on a Y-o-Y basis.

Now we'll come to the Power Systems. Aggregate sales for the quarter were higher at INR 484 crores, recording a growth of 13% Y-o-Y basis. However, there's a little decrease on a quarter-over-quarter basis, which is around 2% on quarter-on-quarter basis.

PBIT was INR 57 crores to 11.7% of the sales in quarter 3 of FY '23 aid against the INR 51 crore, 11.8% of the sales in quarter 3 of FY '22 and was INR 55 crores, 11.2% of the sales in quarter 2 of FY '23.

Order intake for the quarter 3 of FY '23 was INR 862 crores, 17% growth Y-o-Y basis and unexecuted order book added 31 December 22 was INR 2,312 crores, which is 50% higher on Y-o-Y basis.

Now we come to the consolidated performance. The consolidated results include the performance of the operating subsidiary based out in U.S.A. and the Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands, which is Drives and Automation [DAS] and other nonoperating subsidiary and the holding subsidiary.

Aggregate sales for the quarter were higher at INR 1,775 crores, recording a growth of 14% Y-o-Y and 5% on a quarter-over-quarter basis. PBT was INR 282 crores, 15.9% of the sales in the quarter 3 of FY '23 aid against the INR 174 crores, 11.2% of the sales in the quarter 3 of FY '22. and INR INR 241 crores, 14.2% of the sales in the quarter 2 of FY '23. Unexecuted order book for our Sweden entity walks out to around INR 146 crores, which is around 48% higher on Y-o-Y basis.

Now the major event in the Q3. We now paid our nonconvertible debenture worth of INR 200 crores. Now [indiscernible] the company has become debt-free. Board of Directors have also approved a proposal to expand the manufacturing capacity of transformer aided plants in Bhopal and Malanpur with an investment of INR 126 crores. Unaudited financial statement with the detailed notes are available as a part of the exchange filing and the company's website, between myself and the colleagues will be happy to answer the questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much, sir. [Operator Instructions] We have the first question from the line of Sandeep Agarwal from Naredi Investments Private Limited.

U
Unknown Analyst

Sir, my first question is what is our Railway business mix in total turnover and what opportunity we see in recent orders and development?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

So industrial system mix is around -- if you look at, we do every -- and I think we have been saying about that we have a INR 1,000 crore total revenue which is coming from the Railway side. So overall, INR 250 crores to INR 300 crores, which is coming from the Railway business in the Industrial Division business,

U
Unknown Analyst

And what opportunity you see in recent orders?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

Out of the development.

R
Ravi Swaminathan
analyst

The railway business part of the industry portion was about INR 282 crores and some power business was.

S
Susheel Todi
executive

What are the opportunities, he is talking about.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Opportunities. We had the orders for traction motors. We had the orders for propulsion systems. We have the orders for dielectric tower car electrics worth about INR 453 crores in the last quarter.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. And next, what is the current tax rate? And when we have to pay normal tax rate?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

No, we are at normal tax rate only. We at current tax is 25%, which we are opting today.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Charanjit Singh from DSP Mutual Fund.

C
Charanjit Singh
analyst

First of all, congratulations on good set of numbers. Sir, my question is first on the industrial segment margins. We have seen in our second quarter of very strong margin versus what we have seen historically, at around more than 17% levels. Can you tell us how sustainable these are? And what has led to this significant bump up in the margin for the Industrial segment? That's my first question.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Yes. See what has happened is in quarter 2, there is a sudden range of the commodities, okay? So we have also accordingly passed it on to the market. Then in -- we have a couple of orders which we have booked in quarter 2, which were executed in quarter 3 when in quarter 3 commodities have softened, so that is 1 advantage we had and also a little bit of a product mix in looking at the long-term sustainability, we had changed a little bit of product mix. So that also added to these margins.

C
Charanjit Singh
analyst

So depending on this better product mix based on new products, which we added. So what could be the sustainable margins which you could see in the industrial segment?

R
Ravi Swaminathan
analyst

So I don't think so that we can give any guidance about the quarter 4, what we are going to execute and going forward. But always, we keep on saying that the margins are coming because of many reasons. It's explained by Mr. Ramesh, softening of the commodity price, product mix and all those things. But whether the margins are sustainable or not, even we always keep saying that a couple of percentage here and there could be, so that's the way we have been telling so far.

C
Charanjit Singh
analyst

Sir, on the Industrial Motors front, if you could highlight how is the overall market momentum right now? And going forward, in Q4 and in the subsequent next financial year, how do you see the market growth rate and subsequently the growth rate for our industrial motors business?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Generally, we follow the EMA data for understanding what is the market growth. But quarter 3 data had to publish, they are not yet published. But definitely because of the -- this sudden increase in the prices, quarter 2, there was a flat, almost flat. But quarter 3, we had to wait, we are waiting for the numbers to come. But internally, we have done much better than quarter 2 -- growths are much better than quarter 2 in volume wise.

C
Charanjit Singh
analyst

Okay. Sir, lastly, on the railway side, earlier we had highlighted that we'll be doing some technology tie-ups and participating in some of these large tenders, if you can touch upon the status of those tie-ups and the guidelines for these large tenders of [indiscernible] and others which are in the play. That's my last question.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

I think we have explained earlier also that we have been working on trying to have the tie-ups but the timeline was very short in terms of the tendering times. So it was not possible for us to participate. We had explained that we would wait for anybody who wins, and then we'll try to associate with them for being a supplier for them. It is a win-win situation for both of us. While our endeavor for having a partnership with another technology partners for any future tender that would come would be continuing.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Renu Bet from ISS Securities.

U
Unknown Analyst

Congratulations for a very strong performance this quarter. My first question is, can you throw some inputs in terms of our qualities inputs in terms of the demand drivers and demand outlook, both for industrial as well as for power systems. And have you seen any ease in the relative competitive environment or the market looked equally tight in today's perspective. So which are the key end markets driving growth, key customer and which have been helping strong growth and proven execution?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Generally, most of core industries like around cement and pharma to some extent and the infrastructure, especially on [indiscernible] because of the good range and ethanol demand. So even the sugar and ethanol. So all these sectors are doing very well. And except for a little bit on steel, which is flat or maybe slightly keep growing. But otherwise, most of these industries are doing well. So we anticipate that going forward, the growth or the demand will be better.

U
Unknown Analyst

Right. And between the LT and the HT, how has the market been -- now that CapEx across manufacturing sector is seeing quite a bit of activity. Have you seen the demand for HT Motors seeing growth coming back? And on the rate of scale, how is now CG positioned in this space?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

HT, yes, obviously, HT is doing the growth wise and even in our ordering take wise, HT is doing much better. That always happens HT being along the delivery times, generally, any CapEx, the first finalization will be HT, then the LT will come. Say, for example, whatever cement industry expansion is going on, they will find HT orders along with their power equipment, the HT motors first, then maybe after 6 months, the LT will follow. So since the HT is good, hoping that the LT also will follow in the same group. But HT is much better, I can say.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Sir, second, can you share some updates on the B2C, the consumer business, which we had kick started last year, progress in terms of fans and performance portfolio or other products which were launched. So some color or shed in terms of where are we in terms of investment in distribution, product reach, et cetera.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

So the 2 products which we have launched pumps and fans and we are definitely doing slightly better than what we anticipated. And there is a little bit -- overall consumer itself is a little bit down trend. If you see the overall fan industry, is largely well for the last 2 quarters. The quarter 1 was very good of this year. Quarter 2 and quarter 3 has been very, very low. That is because of 2 reasons. One is the overall market itself is -- consumer buying itself is low. The second one is even the stocking has been gone down because from 1st of January, the staff rating is implemented in fan. So these staff -- now people are not staffed with very big staffs for the coming season. So obviously, we are hoping that the Star establishment will happen -- star rating establishment will happen this quarter. So the first quarter of next year should be much better.

U
Unknown Analyst

Got it. And in the industrial segment, just coming back to the previous question, you had mentioned that quite a few new products were launched to help improve the long-term profitability of the segment. So any comments to elaborate on this, what type of product releases either was it rating, range or new SKUs in past?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

See, we are focusing more and more on energy-efficient products. So initially, it was IE2. Now we are moving towards IE3 and also, we have developed a complete range of IE4, for both [indiscernible] and also, we are focusing on the alternator business, which was not doing well earlier. So now it is slightly retail genset demand is increasing. So there also, we have done quite a bit on the new product development for both the sustainability of our -- and to be more cost competitive in the market. So that's how we are focusing on this business, especially.

U
Unknown Analyst

Sure and one last question on the Power segment. The CapEx of INR 126 crores, which has been announced. These are largely on power transformers, distribution any [indiscernible] color that we can share, what type of transformer range power distribution? And what is the kind of capacity expansion that we are targeting from this?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Mukul, You can answer this.

M
Mukul Srivastava
executive

See, this is since an existing gain of the products. We already made the entire range of power transformers, distribution transformers going from 11 kV right up 75 kV. But the demand is growing. So we also want to improve capacity in the power factory in Bhopal from [17,000] to [25,000] and in value from INR [6,000] and [9,000].

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We have the next question from the line of Mahesh Bendre from LIC Mutual Fund.

U
Unknown Analyst

Sir, what was the contribution from finance and the pump business in the last 9 months for sales -- stand-alone sales?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

No, it's not very significant, sir. So we are not disclosing these numbers separately as of now. So once that numbers are reportable, then we'll start reporting separately.

U
Unknown Analyst

It will be less than 5%?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

Yes, definitely.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Okay. And sir, secondly, you said that the railway business was INR 282 crores. This was for 3 months or 9 months?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

This is for 3 months.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. And what will be the contribution for 9 months?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

Multiply by 3, around INR 830 crores.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Okay. Okay. Sure. And sir, we are at the end of this financial year now. I mean, we have grown -- both businesses have grown in the last 9 months. So what is the outlook for next 2 years for our business?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

So this is actually an earnings call for this quarter. How do you expect us to answer this question?

Outlook is good. Outlook is -- that's all I can say. This is a earnings call for Q3.

U
Unknown Analyst

Yes, yes. So I was just hoping we are in the month of January. So I'm just thinking that...

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Outlook is good, sir.

S
Susheel Todi
executive

So we see a very good outlook, sir. No, no issue about the outlook side.

U
Unknown Analyst

So in terms of -- I mean, we have 2 businesses like industrial and power. So where do we think the growth prospects are much better in terms of growth?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

SSo I think we generally don't give any guidance. We don't give any guidance. But both the businesses will grow in double digits. I can definitely say that.

U
Unknown Analyst

For next year.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Yes.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of [Rahul Gajare] from Haitong Securities India Private Limited.

U
Unknown Analyst

And congratulations for a very good performance in the third quarter. I've got 2 questions. Building on the earlier question on transformer capacity at Bhopal and Malanpur. Given that you're specifically expanding this capacity, what are -- what is the thought on getting back to the export market? So any thought of adding capacity on the coast, so as to cater to the export market? That's the first question.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

So right now, the domestic demand is strong. So we want to cater to the domestic demand first.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Sir, and what would be the capacity utilization of your transformer factories right now?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

It's around 65% for both put together for our power transformer and the distribution platform.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Okay. Sir, my second question is on the EV side. Is there any traction on tie-up for the EVs with auto players? Or what is any -- what is the movement on that particular part of the business?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Nothing has been tied up so far. If there is anything tie-up we would have reported, no?

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Harshit Patel from Equirus Securities.

H
Harshit Patel
analyst

So my first question is on our Power segment. You have previously mentioned that you were working on developing the 400 kilo volt GIS. So could you share any update on the same? And also, by when you think we will be able to see commercialization of this product line?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Mukul?

M
Mukul Srivastava
executive

Yes, sir. So, you have halted our work from end of last year. And on a complete GIS there are almost 10 major components like [indiscernible], mechanisms, all that part we have developed. So we are in the process of [indiscernible] first 2 components of this, and this will take almost 2-years time. So hopefully, by the end of FY '25 or in the beginning of FY '26, [indiscernible] .

H
Harshit Patel
analyst

Sure. So this will be up to 400 kV, right? There will be still some time to go before we reach 765 kV, right?

M
Mukul Srivastava
executive

So 765 kV, [indiscernible] are far less on... I think most of the investments will happen in the segments of 400 kV range. So if we already make the GIS up 450 kV when we did 400 kV, [indiscernible] which we are on the cover. So it has done is the rise...

H
Harshit Patel
analyst

Sure. Sir, just a follow-up to that. In terms of overall actually free tier market right now, what would be the split between AIS and GIS at the industrial level. I'm not asking for out split , but what would be that at the industry level?

M
Mukul Srivastava
executive

See, this will be the approximate [indiscernible]. I mean there are no published numbers for this, but possibly, we can say the best is between 20 and 30. [ 20 ] for AIS and 30 for GIS.

H
Harshit Patel
analyst

Sure, and my second question would be on our industrial system, you have already elaborated quite a lot on the railway business. If you can just give the order intake number for the railway business for the first 9 months, that will be very helpful. And this INR 830 crores number that you have mentioned, is it entirely booked in the industrial system or there will be some portion of power systems as you into that? That will be my last question.

U
Unknown Executive

We expect as part of the industrial business. And as far as the order intake is concerned, the cumulative order intake is about INR 900 crores.

H
Harshit Patel
analyst

And what would be the revenue portion in the Power Systems business for [indiscernible]?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

So that is approximately around INR 20 crores every quarter -- Sorry, INR 80 crores.

U
Unknown Executive

It would be around INR 240 crores by this time.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Dhavan Shah from Alfa Accurate Advisors.

U
Unknown Analyst

So I have a question on the railway side for the industry business. So you mentioned the order inflow for INR 900 crores for the 9 months. So can you mention the order backlog from railway as on third quarter?

U
Unknown Executive

It could be in the range of about INR 950.

U
Unknown Analyst

950. Okay. And in terms of the HT and LT, would it be possible to share the breakup of the revenue order inflow and order outflow for this third quarter in the 9 months?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

We don't give state of this.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Okay. And the last one is on the capacity wide I think, capacity utilization was from the power business, you mentioned the 65% utilization, right?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

That is only for the power transformer and the distribution transformer.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Sanjay Kumar from I.PMS.

U
Unknown Analyst

My only question was around capacity expansion. So the distribution you're adding in 3,000, is it specific to solar in [indiscernible] transformer? Or is it for traction transformers or is the capacity kind of fungible so that we can cater to anything that demand that comes up.

M
Mukul Srivastava
executive

It is for oil price, actually. We already make the emerging new transformer that is [indiscernible] for the solar segment. I mean, we are coming in the range of the call the low part afterwards from [indiscernible] capacity expense for all tech of assets.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. And how is the outlook for solar given the government's focus on renewables and we might even be adding 20 gigawatts or 30 gigawatts of solar power every year going forward. So is that capacity enough to -- for us to supply.

M
Mukul Srivastava
executive

See, as you have rightly said that there is the out coming bill, there are some coming. And definitely, we are constantly monitoring our capacity given the demand in the market. And in coming time, if required, we will first expand our capacity.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Vikash Shrivastawa from RBC Financial Services.

U
Unknown Analyst

I apologize if this question has asked been asked before. Just wanted to know, it is a flavor of how the consumer product, what are the markets you've entered, what are the products you have launched? And how do you look at it in the next 2, 3 years, the consumer products?

U
Unknown Executive

No, we cannot share so much details. We have entered into only 2 products as of now, but in the end that we cannot share these details.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. So absolutely -- regions, size of the market, why do you see it 2, 3 years? Anything at all which you're willing to share, just to get a flavor to the investors as to where we are headed on this? And I understand for business reasons, you can't talk much. But whatever you can, if you can, whatever your business compulsions permit you to?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

For next 3 to 5 years, we are looking for at least 4 digit number. So this is the way we can talk.

U
Unknown Analyst

Sure, sure.

S
Susheel Todi
executive

This is the maximum we can tell.

U
Unknown Analyst

We're looking at a 4-digit turnover in the next 3 to 5 years.

S
Susheel Todi
executive

Yes.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Amit Mahawar from Mumbai.

A
Amit Mahawar
analyst

It is Amit from UBS. So I just have 2 quick questions. First on the power portfolio. Am I right in understanding that the capacity expansions in the export target should help the company beyond FY '24 only in terms of export revenues for Power Product and not before that? That's the first question.

M
Mukul Srivastava
executive

See, this capacity for the -- transformer capacity is for the [indiscernible] transformer. we have several meters of exports even today from both our factory and [indiscernible] Bhopal. Going further, as explained earlier, we are focusing primarily first on domestic demand. And as and when need arises, we will also keep looking at exports.

A
Amit Mahawar
analyst

Okay. Okay. And maybe second question on the industrial side. So in the current portfolio, how should we think about the export business again on the LT motor side? And if you can also throw some light on what is the mix of LT and HT in terms of exports that we do? Or largely, these are LT motors that we export.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

So far the largely it is the LT motors only. And we have said in the last meeting -- last call, that we are going for an expansion basically for meeting the local demand as well as because we have not been much focusing on the export. So now we will be focusing more on the export also. Mostly on LT motors.

A
Amit Mahawar
analyst

LT motors, fair point, very helpful. Maybe a last quick question. On the entire power portfolio, if you assume around INR 140 billion, INR 150 billion of the annual equipment market for the next 5 to 6 years, if almost 1/3 of that goes in maybe HVDC or [RE] based product portfolio with the FCTs, et cetera? We are relatively not present. Can I assume that roughly 60% to 70% of the annual 150 billion, 140 billion market is the aggressive market opportunity. That's my last question.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Yes, You are right.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Jitendra Sriram from Baroda BNP Paribas Mutual Fund.

U
Unknown Analyst

I just wanted to understand one thing from a capability standpoint, when you're mapping out your capabilities for a 3- to 5-year time frame. If you look at CapEx-heavy sectors like Railways, Renewables, all that, which is fairly active or Industry 4.0 and stuff. Where would you think that you need to add some ammunition going forward, current transformers or IGBT compensators, what exactly would be the areas of focus going forward?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Really good question. See motors, I don't think we have any thing to get excepting for technology for EV. You want to sell the EV segment, we need some technology that is one. As far as Railways are concerned, the products which we are doing, we continue to do, there is absolutely no problem. In projects, big projects, like [indiscernible] or other locomotives, et cetera, we want to then we have to join in consortium with some players. That there is some. Similarly, on the signaling side like [indiscernible], et cetera, we need to acquire a technology. These are the areas in which we require as far as Railway is concerned.

And the power is concerned the whatever demand that is expected in the next 3 to 5 years, I think we are substantially we have the capability to manufacture and serve the market.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. And also, if you could just talk about what exactly do you cater to on your automation side? What areas do you currently have products slate available in?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

So this is not something which we are doing in India. Our overseas subsidiary -- Drives and Automation subsidiary is actually servicing some of the customers in Europe and elsewhere, they are specific application for many industries, water, waste water, irrigation, then energy efficiency, or material handling, so right now, even they are getting into electrolyte. So like that, there are -- there's nothing is operational in India.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We have the next question that is a follow-up question from the line of Mahesh Bendre from LIC Mutual Fund.

U
Unknown Analyst

Just a follow-up question. You said Railway business is around INR 830 crores for 9 months.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Yes.

U
Unknown Analyst

And that is, I mean, included in the Industrial Business, right?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Yes.

U
Unknown Analyst

Included in Power Business.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

No, no. It is included in the Industrial System.

U
Unknown Analyst

And sir, what was this number for the last 9 months?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

INR 830 crores. That is what we have...

S
Susheel Todi
executive

That is what we said. And the balance part was told, which is over INR 200-odd crores, which is also in power. And since it is mixed in both industry and power, we don't declared separately.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. So INR 846 crores for this 9 months and previous for 9 months, what was that number?

S
Susheel Todi
executive

That would be about INR 700.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Mayank Chaturvedi from Equirus Capital.

M
Mayank Chaturvedi
analyst

So my first question is on the investment system side on the HT motors, You said that the order intake wise, the volumes are -- they are looking very good. So I just wanted to ask as a result of any technology upgradation that we've taken in. As far as I understand, there was some [indiscernible] that we had with our immediate competitor. So any movement on that front [indiscernible] the product gap.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Basically, the market is doing very well. And also, if you noticed that a couple of years back, we have a separate plan for HT motors. So we have increased the capacity [indiscernible] So that is why we are now utilizing the capacity what we have reached that back.

M
Mayank Chaturvedi
analyst

Okay. So comping all the new competitors that rest in the market as in so you're seeing Nidec, WEG. So we didn't no challenges from that franchise as well?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

They have been, they are in HT, there are more than 11 competitors. So they have been there for quite some time now. So...

M
Mayank Chaturvedi
analyst

Okay. Got it. So secondly, on the Power Systems side, can you give us split between the -- revenue split between transformers and high-voltage switchgear for the first 9 months?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

No, we don't state that number. So it's a combined number for the transformer and the switchgear.

But the ratio remains between 45% and 55%. So that is the breakup.

M
Mayank Chaturvedi
analyst

Sir, 45% transformers and 55% switchgear.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Yes.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We have the next question from the line of Dhavan Shah from Alfa Accurate Advisors.

U
Unknown Analyst

So just the last one on the capacity-wise. So would it be possible to share the capacity and the utilization number for LT and HT motors?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

80%, 85%.

U
Unknown Analyst

Anything in numbers or anything?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

We don't -- reporting this number, but our utilization, it could extend around 80%, 85%.

U
Unknown Analyst

And you mentioned that we increased the capacity for HT motor. So how much expansion was that, what is the latest number in terms of percentage-wise also...

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

It was done in 2019, that is what Mr. Ramesh Kumar is talking about.

R
Ramesh N
executive

Yes, I said at we to manufacture railway and industrial motor in 1 plant. So we have separated that plant, and we got more capacity, that is what I mentioned. That was done in 2019. So thereafter market was not good, now the market is good so we are taking the advantage.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We have the next question from the line of Amit Anwani from Prabhudas Lilladher Private Limited.

A
Amit Anwani
analyst

I would like to understand your market position, are you gaining market share in each of the verticals, including transformers, switchgears and LT/HT motors, any numbers if you would like to share.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

No, we are gradually increasing our markets share. So motor, we are at around 33%, 34%. In transformer, we are less than double digit, but once we were there one year or 1.5 year before, now definitely, the market share has gone up.

A
Amit Anwani
analyst

All right. And sir, my second question is with respect to transformer. And if you would like to run the competitive intent to get between and new competitors in respective pricing and products, anything which is interacting the market or making the market for transformers?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

If I understood your question, your question is about the competitive edge we have got over our competitors. Is it correct?

A
Amit Anwani
analyst

Yes, sir.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Okay, see we are a player with a large experience and good teams in manufacturing. But you know that transformers are items certified by [indiscernible], so normally, all of us have to meet the [indiscernible] tender. So generally, these final items will not have a very distinct advantage with anybody, it is the manufacturing efficiency and what features we can finish in the ad. So that will constantly keep looking and keep updating also.

Operator

We have the next question from the line of Janat Kumar from GLS Capital.

U
Unknown Analyst

My question is, when do we propose to restart the lighting division -- consumer lighting division?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

It will take some time. No decision has been taken. It has been decided by the Board first -- chaired by the Board. So we can't say anything. There are no immediate plans now.

U
Unknown Analyst

Because the [indiscernible] one of the leaders in consumer lighting division like especially in LED lighting, so better would be as we have that.

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

Thank you for your suggesion.

Operator

As that was the last question for today. I would now like to hand the conference over to Ms. Bhoomika Nair for closing comments. Over to you, ma'am.

B
Bhoomika Nair
analyst

Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much for giving us the opportunity to host the call, sir. I'm wishing you all the very best. Any closing remarks from your side, sir?

N
Natarajan Srinivasan
executive

No, I think nothing special. Thank you for all the participants for doing this call. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of DAM Capital Advisors Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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