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And, ladies and gentlemen, we do appreciate your patience, and welcome to the SEI First Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we'll conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Chairman and CEO, Al West. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, and welcome, everybody; all of our segment leaders who are here on the call as well as Dennis McGonigle, SEI CFO; and Kathy Heilig, SEI's Controller.
I'll start by recapping the first quarter 2019, and then I'll turn it over to Dennis to cover LSV and the investment in new business segment. After that, each of the business segment leaders will comment on the results of their segments. Then finally, Kathy Heilig will provide you with some important companywide statistics.
As usual, we will field questions at the end of each report. And so, let me start with the first quarter 2019.
First quarter earnings decreased by 18% from a year ago. Diluted earnings per share for the first quarter of $0.73 represents a 15% drop from the $0.86 reported for the first quarter of 2018. We also reported a 1% decrease in revenue from first quarter 2018 to first quarter 2019. These deficits in earnings and revenues from 2018 to 2019 are mostly due to the carryover effect of the downturn in the capital markets during the fourth quarter 2018.
Also contributing to deficits is an increase in our tax rate from first quarter 2018 to first quarter 2019. Dennis will elaborate on these effects. Now, also during the first quarter 2019, our non-cash asset balances under management increased by $12.7 billion. At the same time, LSV assets under management increased by $7 billion. These increases in AUM were primarily due to market appreciation and we'll feel the effects of these increases next quarter.
In addition, during the first quarter 2019, we repurchased approximately 1.7 million shares of SEI stock in an average price of $51.47 per share. That translates to $88.8 million of stock repurchases during the quarter.
Finally, in the first quarter, as part of the investments we make to create growth, we capitalized approximately $9.7 million of the SWP development and amortized approximately $11.7 million of previously capitalized SWP and IMS development.
Our first quarter 2019 sales events net of client losses totaled approximately $6.2 million and are expected to generate net annualized recurring revenues of approximately $1.2 million. Clearly, we are not satisfied with this quarter sales results, which were primarily affected by the continued rollover of institutional business away from U.S. corporate DB plans.
As a company, we have very active sales teams and a lot of activity. We're confident that with our current sales pipeline, we should regain our sales events throughout the rest of the year. Our unit heads will speak to their specific sales results.
Now, this concludes my formal remarks, so I will turn it over to Dennis to give you an update on LSV and the investment in our new business segment. I'll then turn it over to the other business segments. Thank you, Dennis.
Thanks, Al. Good afternoon, everyone. I'll cover the first quarter results for the investments in new business segment and discuss the results of LSV Asset Management. During the first quarter 2019, the investments in new business segment continued its focus on the ultra-high-net-worth investors segment through our private wealth management group and additional research initiatives including the hosting area.
During the quarter, the investments in new business segment incurred a loss of $2.9 million, which compared to a loss of $3.2 million during the first quarter of 2018. This improvement reflects the growth of our private wealth management business, offset by other areas of investment. Regarding LSV, our earnings from LSV represent our approximate 39% ownership interest during the first quarter.
LSV contributed $37.3 million in income to SEI during the quarter, this compares to a contribution of $40.6 million in income during the first quarter of 2018. Assets during the fourth quarter grew approximately $7 billion. LSV experienced net negative cash flow during the quarter of approximately $350 million, which was offset by market appreciation. Revenue for LSV was approximately $120.9 million and performance fees were minimal.
Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 22%. And as you recall, our tax rate last year for the first quarter was 11% and for fourth quarter 2018 was 19%. So that tax benefit we picked up is not carried over year to year now or quarter to quarter.
An item of note for the company during the quarter, we recorded severance expense of approximately $4 million. This is all reflected in corporate overheads. I will now take any questions.
Thank you, Dennis. I'm now going to turn it over to Steve Meyer to discuss our private banking segment. Steve?
Thank you, Al. For the first quarter 2019, revenues for the segment totaled $118.3 million, which was down 3.2% as compared to our revenue in the first quarter of 2018. This year-over-year decrease was due primarily to lower one-time revenues, revenue associated with lost clients along with the decline our asset management revenues.
Our quarterly profit for the segment of $7.3 million decreased $2.7 million, as compared to the first quarter 2018. This decrease was mainly driven by our decline in asset management and estimate fee one-times. Our first quarter profit is flat as compared to our profit in the fourth quarter of 2018.
And turning the sales activity. For the quarter, we closed $1.2 million in gross processing recurring sales event and $3.2 million in one-time events. During the first quarter, we signed an SWP agreement with Hills Bank and Trust. And SEI clients in 2013, Hills Bank and Trust is scheduled to migrate their existing book of business, currently on TRUST 3000 to the SEI Wealth Platform in the first half of 2020. While our sales results are not as robust as we would have liked in the quarter. We continue to see strong market activity and our pipeline is strong and growing. We feel optimistic about the growth opportunities we have ahead of us.
On April 1, we achieved the significant milestone by successfully converting our 39 SEI Wealth Platform client, TIAA Bank. A longtime SEI client since 2001, TIAA migrated all their business on TRUST 3000 to the platform as part of the firm's commitment to employ a cutting-edge technology infrastructure that meets present and future needs and delivers a seamless client and employee wealth management experience. This conversion is significant for SEI for a couple of reasons.
First, TIAA becomes one of our largest clients processing on the SEI Wealth Platform. Second, the conversion of this large client will help us scale our U.S. service, operations, and technology infrastructure even further. The conversion went very well and we are looking for to a long-term relationship with this valued client partner and the opportunity to expand our relationship with them.
Our asset management distribution business experienced slightly positive cash flows as of March 31. During the quarter, our AMD business signed two new strategic partners in the U.S., while one of these partners will be consuming our managed account solutions, both of these relationships are new to our manager research platform. As an update on our wealth platform backlog, our total signed but not installed backlog for SWP is approximately $33.3 million in net new recurring revenue.
Now for the long-awaited update on Wells Fargo. All of our conversion activity continues and we continue to work closely with Wells on this project. During this quarter, we worked with Wells to finalize dates for the SWP implementation. Wells has finalized the implementation dates and has divided the implementation into four tranches.
The plan is to install the initial phase of accounts targeted from May of 2021 followed by the next phase in November of 2021. This will represent approximately 25% of the accounts. The remainder of the business will be implemented in May of 2022 and October of 2022, so all accounts are targeted to be implemented on the SWP by the end of 2022.
As we look to the rest of the year. As a reminder, our areas of focus for 2019 are: first, growing our business globally; second, monetize our investment in SWP; third, implement our backlog of sold, yet to be installed clients; and fourth; expand our markets and solutions to provide further growth.
We will continue to focus on these main themes of growth while navigating the headwinds we mentioned on our last quarter's earnings call, primarily the headwinds of previously announced lost business, which - the remainder of which will migrate out over the remainder of the year.
We will manage our expenses judiciously as we continue to forge forward with our growth initiatives. That concludes my prepared remarks and I will now turn it over for any questions you may have.
Thank you, Steve. Our next segment is Investment Managers, and Steve will also discuss this segment. Steve?
Thanks, Al. For the first quarter 2019, revenues for the segment totaled $104.6 million, which was $7.8 million or 8% higher as compared to our revenue in the first quarter of 2018. This year-over-year revenue increase was due primarily to net new client fundings and existing client expansion. Our quarterly profit for this segment of $35.6 million was $2.1 million or 6.2% higher as compared to the first quarter of 2018.
Third-party asset balances at the end of the first quarter of 2019 were $586 billion or 6.4% higher as compared to the asset balances at the end of the fourth quarter of 2018. This was due to an increase in assets due to net new client fundings of $18.1 billion as well as market appreciation of $15.6 billion.
And turning to market activity. During the first quarter 2019, we had a strong sales quarter with net new business events totaling $10 million in recurring revenues as well as recontracts of $4.8 million in recurring revenues. Most importantly, these sales were diverse and expand our entire business and included both new name business and expansion of existing wallet share with current clients.
These events include the following highlights: successful wallet share expansion across existing alternative clients, with new events concentrated in private debt and credit business lines; in our traditional market unit, a significant middle office service mandate with a $25 billion West Coast manager. This mandate was won in a competitive process, in which all of our major competitors participated.
In Europe, we continue to win new mandates from both existing and new clients related to funds domiciled in Ireland and Luxembourg, particularly private equity and private credit strategies. We continue to make progress, promoting our regulatory platform with existing clients, in particular, regulatory reporting and investor tax compliance.
We continue to see strong demand for our solutions in the market and continue to expand our markets and solutions to stay ahead of our clients, emerging needs and to provide sustainable growth. Our pipeline remains strong and we are optimistic of our continued growth opportunities.
That concludes my prepared remarks. And I'll now turn it over for any questions you may have.
Thank you, Steve. Our next segment is Investment Advisors. Wayne Withrow will cover the segment.
Thank you, Al. In the first quarter of 2019, we focused on rebuilding the momentum, we lost in the December market correction and we were hard to control expenses in this revenue environment. The first quarter, however, is significant in that it marks completion of the migration of our advisors onto the SEI Wealth Platform.
First quarter revenues totaled almost $95 million. These revenues were down slightly more than $4 million in the first quarter of last year. This decrease was driven primarily by three factors: first, the 2019 balances reflected a significant shift in the money market products compared to last year's first quarter. The bright side of the shift is that we stand to benefit when the money market bounces find their way back into equity and fixed income products, something we began to see in March.
In addition, both our average assets under management and our average basis points earned on assets were down. This latter point was primarily due to higher money market balances and to a lesser degree, the growth of our lower fee ETF portfolios. Expenses were essentially flat compared to the first quarter of last year, but were down over $1 million from the fourth quarter. Many factors contributed to this decrease, but a large portion of the savings arose from a decrease in technology spending.
Our profit declined a little over $4 million from last year's first quarter directly following our decreased revenue. Assets under management were $65.6 billion at March 31, an increase of $1.1 billion from March 31, 2018. The increase was driven by market appreciation offset in part by negative net cash flow.
Of note is that while our point-to-point AUM increased, our average assets under management, which is how we earn revenue, actually decreased as compared to the first quarter of last year. This reflects lower starting valuations in the quarter following the market decline in last year's fourth quarter.
During the first quarter, our net cash flow was a negative $448 million. Distractions caused by the migration and pressure from lower cost [passive] [ph] product continued to put pressure on cash flow. We recruited 95 new advisors during the quarter, an increase over the 87 we recruited in the fourth quarter. A pipeline of new advisors remains active.
With respect to the SEI Wealth Platform, we have completed the multiyear effort to migrate all of our clients onto the new platform. We now turn to helping advisors benefit from the new features of the platform and refocusing our sales force on attracting both SEI and non-SEI assets from our existing advisors. We also intend to step up our efforts to recruit new advisors to our best-of-breed platform.
In summary, the first quarter reflected the hole we found ourselves in following the market declines of the fourth quarter and the impact on sales focus caused by the migration. However, the bigger story is that our migration is complete and this sets up our future.
I welcome any questions you have.
Thank you, Wayne. Our final segment today is the Institutional Investors segment. Paul Klauder will report on this segment. Paul?
Thanks, Al. Good afternoon, everyone. I am going to discuss the financial results for the first quarter of 2019. First quarter revenues of $80.1 million decreased 6% compared to the first quarter of 2018. First quarter operating profits of $41.4 million decreased 7% compared to the first quarter of 2018. Operating margin for the quarter was 51.6%. Both revenues and operating profits were impacted by negative client fundings, currency translation, capital markets and one-time revenue recorded in Q1 2018.
Quarter end assets balances of $88.9 billion, reflects a $3.7 billion decrease compared to the first quarter of 2018. This decrease was driven by negative client fundings and currency translation. Net fundings were negative $3 billion for the quarter. This included approximately $3.6 billion in losses, which is primarily driven by two large defined benefit clients.
The DB activity was the result of the continued turnover of this business across the industry through DB planned closures and terminations as well as some clients that turned to passive management.
The unfunded new client backlog at quarter end was $350 million. New client signings for the quarter were $600 million. This is primarily diversified across new clients in endowment and foundations and U.K. Fiduciary Management. Our new businesses focused on longer-term asset pools across all global markets are paying dividends for the business, and our sales pipeline is strong.
Thank you very much and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
Thank you, Paul. I would now like Kathy Heilig to give you a few companywide statistics. Kathy?
Thanks and good afternoon, everyone. I have some additional corporate information about this quarter. First quarter cash flow from operations was $59.9 million or $0.38 per share. And the first quarter free cash flow was $42.6 million.
The capital expenditures for the quarter excluding capitalized software were $7.3 million, which does include some of - that about half of it is for expansion of our new facilities. And we project the remaining capital expenditures to be about $57 million, which does include $41 million related to the facility expansion.
As noted in the release the tax rate for the first quarter was 22.1%. The annual tax rate for 2018 was 17.6%. And our effective tax rate could fluctuate as a result of the timing of stock option exercises.
We also would like to remind you that many of our comments are forward-looking statements and are based upon assumptions that involve risks and that the financial information presented in our release and on this call is unaudited. In some cases, you can identify forward-looking statements by terminologies such as may, will, expect, believe, and continue, or appear.
Our forward-looking statements include our expectations as to revenue that we believe will be generated by sales events that occurred during the quarter, the timing of client migrations and implementation, the benefits we will derive from our investments in reorganization, our ability to manage our expectations and scale our offerings, the demand for our products, the benefits we will derive as our clients shift investments among asset classes, the strength of our pipelines and growth opportunities, and our ability to execute on and the success of our strategic objective.
You should not place undue reliance on our forward-looking statements as they are based upon the current beliefs and expectations of our management, and subject to significant risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond our control and are subject to change.
Although we believe the assumptions upon which we base our forward-looking statements are reasonable, they could be inaccurate. Some of the risks and important factors that could cause actual results to differ from those described in our forward-looking statements can be found in the Risk Factors section of our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2018, that was filed with the SEC.
And now, please feel free to ask any other questions that you may have.
[Operator Instructions] First question will come from the line of Chris Donat with Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon, Dennis.
Hey, Chris.
Just one clarification question, on your balance sheet there is a new line item here for Operating Lease Right-of-Use Assets. Can you just give us a little explanation of what that is?
Sure. In terms of new accounting rule that went effect at January 1 and really every company has to deal with this. For both - for a lot of companies it will be a fairly complex rule. For us, it's fairly straight forward. It represents the liabilities on our future lease agreements, yeah, on our facilities that we rent. And so, those new accounting will require you to put those liabilities and then the asset related to those liabilities on your balance sheet. That's kind of a layman's quick explanation.
Okay.
So when we - we will file the Q tomorrow. And there will be more information in the footnote to the Q. But you're going to see that across kind of all your clients or all your - all the firms you cover.
Yeah, understood. And then if I - at the risk of asking a forward-looking question on expenses, as we think about the - I'll see what the answer is, but I'll ask the question.
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If I look at the 279 - or $297 million of expenses for the quarter and back out $4 million of severance, is that a reasonable way to think at a quarterly run rate? Is there anything significant, you'd expect positive or negative coming forward here?
No, I think - well, one thing, some of the severance we incurred this quarter, we really want to actually even start to feel the run rate, but expense benefit until late next quarter. And I'd say really fully in the third quarter. So that will help us going forward a little bit on the expense side. At the same time, we have new things we want to get moving on and continue to, in some cases, accelerate. So we'll - some of that will get offset by some of the newer things we're working on.
I think as a base line, this quarter is - when you back out that severance numbers, it's pretty good. We - I think that our - I hate to pat ourselves on the back on occasion. But we did a pretty good job of kind of containing things coming out of fourth quarter in the first quarter. Those quarter to quarter comparisons are pretty good.
And if we even go back to third quarter, before we - before any of us really foresaw what December was going to bring, even that comparison is pretty good.
So I feel like it's a good run rate going forward, where - but we're certainly not going to not do something that we think is strategically valuable to us and is going to present future opportunity regardless of the expense impact.
Okay. And then, just lastly, as I think about comp though, with a low level of sales events, you're not going to be accruing compensation for much on the sales side, right?
Correct. So, I mean, one thing that we hope we'll have is expense pressure from sales compensation. And we certainly expect to have that.
Okay. Got it. That's it for me.
That's kind of the one variable. Thanks, Chris.
[Operator Instructions] And, speakers, currently we - one moment, speaker. We'll go directly to the line of Josh Schwartz. Please go ahead, Josh.
Yeah, hi, so the reports as well our sales events for the quarter were down. There are new sales activities, which are robust, not reflected in the quarter. Just wanted to know if you can talk about were these sales events that closed in April or it just seems to contradict a little bit what was said sort of later that Alfred West said that he said it should translate.
But then sort of this - the first paragraph mentioned sort of this positive event that happened after the quarter end. So if - so if there is some breakdown on what was - what you guys meant by that.
Yeah. I think, the macro comment on sales is that - the sales event - the net sales numbers we've published in our earnings release, that's reflective of first quarters' sales activity. And Al's comment on robustness is really about the - our pipelines are really strong, and first quarter really is a reflective of the level of sales activity, we're engaged in nor is it reflective of the size of the opportunities that we have available to us that we feel pretty good about. Now each of the unit has to speak to their specific business lines around that topic. But that's the kind of delineation between that - those two comments. Does that clarify things?
Yeah, sure. That's good.
Okay, great. Thanks.
[Operator Instructions] And speakers no questions in queue at this time. Please do continue. [Operator Instructions] We'll go directly to the line of Glenn Greene with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead, sir.
Thanks. Good afternoon, Steve. How are you?
Good. How are you, Glenn?
Good. So just on the Wells Fargo, that's helpful to get the timing and clarity on that. Is there any change in the scope of the work that you're going to be doing with Wells or it's kind of what you thought it would be from the get-go or just now got clarity on the timing?
I'd say it's - as far as the book of business it's what we believed and what we thought it was going to be. I think it's just - there is a little bit different in how the tranches will convert. And obviously, the timing is finalized. The only other thing that might impact is I think everyone has probably seen that Wells is selling a part of their business, retirement business. Those accounts are on their TRUST 3000 system right now.
And, obviously, Principal has bought them. So there is a chance that they would come off. But we are engaged with Principal right now, talking about potentially extending with them. But that's early in the process.
Is Principal an existing client?
They are not.
They are not. And then the broad commentary at the beginning from Al and Dennis was asked the question as well, about the sales activity and sort of being disappointed in the sales activity in the quarter but kind of robust activity, is that sort of hold through private banking and trust as well, and that we should start to see an improvement in sales activity over coming quarters?
Yeah, so I would say we're disappointed. The level of activity does not measure the result. But in this game, the results matter. So we're disappointed of that. But I would say, with the activity, I'd say I would expect a higher level of sales going forward.
And any meaningful client losses that impacted overall net sales results in the quarter?
No.
Okay, great. Thank you.
And next in queue we'll go to the line of Robert Lee with KBW. Please go ahead.
Great, thanks. Excuse me, good afternoon, Steve.
Good afternoon, Rob. How are you?
Good. Thank you. Couple of quick questions, first one, I apologize, the new sales events was - did I have the numbers right, the $2.5 million total, but $2.3 million of that is onetime?
No. It's $1.2 million was gross. $3.2 million is one-time. If you look at our net recurring, it's relatively flat. And then if you look at net recurring with the onetime, it would be around $2.93 million.
Okay, great. Okay. I guess the question I have - maybe is more on the - well, it's related to HSBC. I mean, I guess, earlier this month or so ago, it looked like they hired Aladdin for bunch of their global - for some of their global wealth management platform. So just kind of curious how that does or doesn't affect the relationship in the UK or some of the asset management programs you distribute through HSBC.
Thanks, Robert. It doesn't affect it at all. As a matter of fact, we were well aware of them looking Aladdin. We utilized the Aladdin risk system in our own asset management area. We actually sat with HSBC and helped them through the process. This is a feature functionality product that they're using for the risk side, which has no impact to us either on the asset management side or the processing side.
Great. And then, maybe, if I could one last question, in the quarter, I mean, looks like the expenses came down in a pretty decent amount from where they've been trending at least over the past year or so. Is there anything within the quarter or maybe it was just the slower sales events, anything in the quarter that we should be thinking that this is kind of the right - the proper run rate is kind of set from here for expenses in the private bank segment. And then - or is there any kind of onetime-ish benefit?
So I'd say a couple of things. One to Dennis' comment, I think we all did a pretty good job looking at the headwinds we had ahead of us and managing expenses across the company. And I think that's most reflective of what you're seeing.
Second, yes, obviously, there is lower sales comp. But I would say, echoing Dennis' comment again, I'm hoping that number for sales comp increases dramatically for the rest of the year. That would be my hope.
So this is a good enough kind of setting a run rate type of number, the…
Yeah, I'd say so, Rob. Remember what I always say, I know you guys don't like it. I don't manage expenses quarter to quarter. We're looking at the headwinds, but obviously as we grow this business and that is my primary focus, growing the business, while we have to manage the expenses during headwinds, while my focus is on growth, if I see investment we have to do or an uptick expense to prepare us for growth, I will do that.
So, well, I'd say it's a good run rate for now looking ahead. I would not be surprised as that we grow. When I see the need for an investment I would make that expense or add that expense.
Great. Thanks, Steve. Thanks for taking my questions.
Sure. No problem.
Next, we go to the line of Chris Shutler with William Blair. Please go ahead.
Hey, Steve. Good afternoon.
Hey, Chris. How are you?
Good. So, Steve, you've had - I think at least a few months now at the helm of the Private Banks business, just any kind of bigger picture updates on strategic direction, way you go to market et cetera versus how you've talked about historically?
Yeah, Chris. I don't think there is any - I'm not going to change the story yet. I'm still getting my arms around the business, while I'm certainly more up to speed than I was back in November. Our focus and I've been saying this, as we've had meetings along the way, continues to be on growth. And I think we have a great team of people. We have a great technology and a great solution. I think we have a terrific client base and a terrific prospect base. And now, we have to go execute on it.
I am looking at everything across how we sell the messaging. And I think we have a very good story and a good approach to the market. I think there are ways we can make it easier for people to do business with us, whether that'd be componentizing the system in some regard or having more of a lean-in strategy that could be part of it, but I think that will all start to unveil itself as we go through the year.
Okay. On the Department of Interior contract, is that officially no longer with SEI?
No, it's still with us.
It is still with you. Do you have a conversion date?
We do. And I'd say that the initial thought is that this will come off during the remainder of the year. I believe that's what the current plan is.
Okay. Let's see, then on the TRUST 3000 side, in terms of attrition, anything to point out in terms of - not in the current quarter, but future quarters, and your clients at risk that kind of thing that we should be aware of?
No. Chris, what I'd say is - obviously, if we had a loss or termination, we would certainly as we have in the past like we do with LSV let you know about it and it will be reflected in our sales events. But you know what I'd also say is, as we go through this process, our TRUST 3000 and as we look to move those clients and sell them into SWP, while our intent and our hope is that we will move 100% of them over. As history has pointed out that probably will not be the case, either due to strategic fit or financial fit, SWP might not be the answer for them.
But what I would say with that is none of the clients in that realm are in the double-digit significant million dollar range. That would just be inaccurate to say that. I'd say that we are engaged with all of our clients. And I mean our hope is that the majority of them will move over to SWP.
Okay. That's helpful. I guess, lastly on that Steve, just any thoughts on kind of forcing the issue a little bit more around moving TRUST 3000 clients to SWP. Is that in discussion at this point?
Well, that's one option, but that's not the primary option I'm looking at. What I am looking right now is, how do we retain these clients and grow them. As I've said before, we've a number of platforms across our wealth, technology and processing businesses here that I think could satisfy the needs of many of these customers. While SWP, I think, is the fit for most of our TRUST 3000 clients, there could be other options for them. I think, before we go to the point of, hey, we're going to have forced march, I think, we would exhaust all our opportunity to service those clients.
If you look back kind of relates a little bit your previous question, we've actually had some TRUST 3 clients - TRUST 3000 clients over the past several years de-convert off only the comeback. So that system, well, it's not SWP, it's still a very strong mature and solid system in the industry. So I think it would be very premature of us right now to say it's a forced march time.
Okay. Thanks a lot.
Sure.
Next, we'll go to line of Tom McCrohan with Mizuho. Please go ahead, Tom.
Hey, Steve. Just a quick question on the new - two new assets manager distribution partners. Can you give us a little more color and background on them?
Well, Tom, we really don't like to get into specific clients. There is a possibility we might put out a press release on them - on their expansion. But needless to say, we're happy that we've expanded our solutions that with them and very happy that we've expanded in them into our manager research platform, which is one of our new platform that we've identified as part of our future growth.
And have you disclosed how much revenues in the segment, is from asset management distribution?
Yes.
Okay. And can you give us an update on how that's going to be trending in your expectations for the next couple of years in terms of increasing as a portion of the mix and kind of growth rates?
Well, our hope is that the investment processing will continue to grow along with our asset management. As far as sitting and giving kind of a forward-looking view of how that will split, that's - I'm not going to do that, Tom.
Okay. That's all I had. Thank you very much.
Sure.
Next, we'll go to Patrick O'Shaughnessy with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, Steve. Curious if you can give us an update on, if there are any TRUST 3000 recontracts during the quarter? And then more broadly, how is that competitive landscape looking like obviously for few quarters there, you had a low-cost alternative that was trying to come in and pick of some of those TRUST 3000 clients, and it seems like maybe that has ebbed a little bit here?
So there were no TRUST 3000 recontracts during the quarter. That's just - the only significance behind that was there were just no recontracts during the quarter. There are probably less than 10 contracts that are up this year, but we are obviously engaged with them fully. And as far as competitive landscape - the competitive landscape stays the same. I'd say, we've been more successful and fighting back on the low cost alternative, but that's not to say they've gone away, they're still there. So there are still people out there that are trying to win business via price.
Great. Thank you.
Sure.
Sir, we currently have no additional questions in queue at this time. Please do continue. [Operator Instructions] Now, we'll go to the line of Robert Lee with KBW. Please go ahead.
Great. Thanks. How are you doing today?
Good, Robert.
Thanks. Just real quickly, I think you've, Paul, been mentioning that - in this segment that, I think, you've suggested that maybe, and correct me if I'm wrong. Over time, you're thinking that's a high-40s margin is probably a more sustainable. Am I thinking of that correctly or is - because you've been running 51-plus this quarter. Last year was around 51% for the year, expenses are down. So how are you thinking about expenses and margins in this given the top-line pressure?
Yeah. Like, all the other business leaders said, I think, we did a very good of managing expenses in Q1. One component of that is sales comp, and I like my colleagues want to pay more sales comp going forward. So that, as you know, is directly tied to more revenue events. So we're optimistic that, that's going to happen in future quarters.
I think in fairness to the margins, long term, yeah, they're probably in the mid-to-high 40%. But that really kind of depends on our ability to continue to grow and offer profits and their ability to continue to consume alternative investments and continue to distinguish our offering, which is very distinguish in the marketplace.
The other thing, we'll look at is whether looking our properties or any other ways for us to get in an incremental market that we're not in, whether that would be accretive to the business. And that might have some margin impact. Nothing is on the table right now, but anything to kind of continue to differentiate our capabilities and our offerings, I think, we'll put on the table and evaluate that.
Maybe this is a follow-up, I mean, despite all the pricing pressures in the traditional business, I mean, at least fee raise remain pretty stable within a narrow band. And I know, you've talked a bit in the past about how foundations, endowments, some of the newer targeted segments have higher fees, because they do more alternative, so if we think of this current quarter, you had three - some big withdrawals from large DB clients, maybe there were some - maybe some of that offset or from new foundations or other clients is - how should we think of kind of the revenue trade-off between those?
I mean, are you getting enough wins and then the higher fee clients to kind of at least offset as you think about the revenue attrition from the bigger clients?
Yeah, so the weighted average profitability, the 600 coming in is higher than the $3.6 billion going out from a percentage perspective. But the magnitude, obviously, [would be] [ph] $3.6 billion is painful. And we - that was just kind of ties it to large investors that both are at the end of their lifecycle and one European investor that decided to go to passive management. So I think that loss is definitely an exception as far as the magnitude.
But what we see coming in the door to the extent that it's not for profit and their consumption rate is definitely equal to or higher than what is going out the door. Now, we do have a reality that we have some longer-term clients that might be at a 5-year anniversary or 10-year anniversary that might actually go out the bid. We're pretty successful in retaining them when they go out the bid.
But there might be discussions that we have to do just because the competitive environment now is different than we won them - when we won them 5 or 10 years ago.
And are there any kind of large known kind of mandate losses coming or is that, I'm assuming that it would be within - netted within your backlog. But I'm just kind of thinking if there is anything large that we should be aware of over the next quarter or two?
Not that I'm aware of and I'm going to knock on wood all day long.
Okay. Thanks so much.
And next in queue, we'll go to the line of Chris Shutler with William Blair. Please go ahead.
Hey, Paul, good afternoon.
Hi, Chris.
Just one quick one, just the - can you just remind us how much of the AUM and/or revenue in your business comes from DB plans?
AUM is probably about $38 billion, and revenue is probably 42%, 43%, somewhere in that range. Now, not all the DB plans are on a path for termination. But if you just lumped all the DB plans together, that's what it will be.
Thanks.
Yeah.
And next in queue, we'll go to line of Patrick O'Shaughnessy, Raymond James.
Hey, thanks. So building off of your previous comments, given some of the structural challenges that face this business and then presumably face some of your competitors as well, do you think there is opportunity for industry consolidation here to kind of rationalize some of the economics and gain more scale or do you think it's going to kind of stay with the current landscape?
Yeah, I think there is definitely consolidation and that can come with just mergers and acquisitions. But also if you look at it right now, if you look at any directory, there are 85 different firms that provide OCIO services. Some of those firms are not going to make it. They just are not going to be able to have the staying power for investment in people and technology and infrastructure to be able to make a profitable turn at this concept.
It's easy to say you're an OCIO firm. It's hard to actually do it and operate it and operationalize it. So we are one of the largest as you know and the investments we've made have been significant. We think that when we have clients that go through the proper due diligence. When we bring them to SEI, when we show them those capabilities vis-à-vis other firms, we really distinguish ourselves.
So I can't imagine if we wake up 10 years from now, because OCIO is going to grow from a dollar capture perspective, there will still be 85 firms that are going to be in existence.
Right, thank you.
Yeah.
Speakers, currently we have no additional questions in queue. Please do continue. [Operator Instructions] And we'll go to line of Robert Lee with KBW. Please go ahead.
Hi, Wayne, how are you?
Good.
Just kind of curious, and I'm sure it's hard to be too precise, but with the sales force being able to shift towards more advisor acquisition, so to speak. What's kind of the typical from - is there any kind of typical timeframe from when you first kind of engage in this, call it, serious discussions to when an advisor actually starts to kind of taking on your products or moving to your platform? Is it typically like a six-month process, a year? I'm just trying to get a sense of maybe with the refocus of the sales force, when we can start seeing that be reflected in, say, the advisor count.
Yeah. I would say generally the sales cycle is about three to nine months, and I think, it accelerates. Once we get an advisor on the platform, they might start out slowly and then they accelerate through the process.
Okay. And then, just maybe as a follow-up. Now that you've got everyone on the platform, and I'm assuming as part of the marketing - well, as you mentioned, now you can focus on getting non-SEI assets on the platform. Could you kind of give us a sense of at least based on maybe preliminary discussions kind of what's involved? It would seem to be a much more complex thing to get someone to move all their assets over maybe because they've got to shift books of business and get approvals and whatnot.
So how are you thinking about those assets kind of coming into the fold? Is that something we're going to - maybe we'll see 2020 or 2021, and because it just take so much lead time? What's the right way to think about it?
Yeah. I think, you're going to see it accelerating throughout this year through a point where it may be meaningful next year.
Okay. And I assume that would not show up in your AUM figure. Obviously, decent revenue. It won't be in the AUM number?
It is not in the AUM number.
Right. Okay. That's was it. Thank you.
Next, we'll return back to line of Patrick O'Shaughnessy with Raymond James. Please go ahead, sir. Mr. O'Shaughnessy, we do have a live line for you.
Apologies, I had myself on mute. So Wayne, can you talk about some of the specifics that you are taking to reinvigorate your sales? So is it as simple as maybe your sales people are spending 25% or 30% of the time kind of handled in doing the conversion and now they can spend 100% of the time trying to get back out there closing sales?
Yeah. I think the combination of handholding during the conversion. And I think, it's also - as the advisors migrate, just like with any new application, there is a learning curve and disruption caused by that. And when the clients are disrupted they call the - either their service person or their sales person, and they say, I'm having this issue, can you work with me on this, it maybe - a lot of time, it's a training issue. Can you help me through how I am supposed to do this?
So instead of talking about, hey, do you have any cases? We can go and gather new assets. They're talking about I don't understand how online disbursements work despite the fact that we train them as hard as we can.
Got it. Okay. That makes sense. And then kind of a bigger picture question, there's been a lot of M&A activity in the general space. Obviously, Orion has been pretty busy. Investment has been pretty busy. How well do you feel like your solution, is that stack up against some of your competitors. Who have been pretty busy on M&A front?
Yeah. I think, our solution stacks up really - very well against them. And what makes us very different is, we are an end-to-end solutions that we include all the aspects of the platform an advisor needs to run their business integrated and in one place. And what's significant is with a single point of accountability.
So you can talk about Orion, if you want, and - which is a great platform and reintegrate to Orion. But if you have a problem, and you have an Orion, in their client portal, do you call Schwab? Or do you call Orion? I mean, if you have a problem with performance measurement, do you call your performance measurement vendor? If you have a problem with your rebalancing software, do you call your rebalancing vendor? Or your fee vendor? How does that work? Well, all that is integrated into one place. And with that, you give us a call. And we can say somebody else's fault.
Got it. Okay. Thank you.
And next in queue, we'll go to line of Chris Shutler with William Blair. Please go ahead, sir.
Hi, Wayne. How are you?
I'm great, Chris.
Good. Just two questions. One is on the fee rate, which is down about 2.5 basis points on the last two quarters, it sounds like a lot of that is money market. So should we expect a bounce back?
Yes. That a good answer?
Okay. Yes. That's what I figured. Just wanted to be clear. And then the other one was just on the SWP, the fact that you're through the conversion process. Is it fair to think that some of the resources which were used in your business in that conversion will be redeployed into Private Banks?
Well, if Steve had his way, yes. I think that we have an extremely talented and well-trained workforce. And we are one company here, and we're going to utilize those resources to promote what's in the best interest with the company. So I think that that comment maybe fair.
Okay. Thank you.
Speaker currently we have no additional questions in queue. Please do continue. [Operator Instructions] And we will return back to the line of Robert Lee with KBW. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Steve, I can't let you go with that the standard question of the one but not yet converted backlog.
Backlog?
Yeah.
So the backlog at 3/31/2019 was $37 million. We actually had a good implementation quarter. And actually, it was a record as far as deals sold in Q1, 50% of them already converted during the quarter. I think one of the major reasons for that was, as I mentioned, we had a pretty solid cross-selling and wallet share expansion, and obviously, that revenue comes in quicker which is good news than new sales.
And I'm just curious, I mean, if we think maybe not just this quarter, but over, say, the past year, since you acquired the Family Office Business. I mean, is there any way to kind of give me some sense or scale of what that's contributed to the - your new business sales? I mean, if last year, your total new business was - I'm not sure, where it was, let's say, it was $50 million or so, that's accounting for quarter of it or half? Just trying to get sense - the magnitude of the kind of contribution?
I'd say, it's ongoing right now, it's in the 10% to 15% of our sales, but we're obviously looking to grow that.
Great. Thank you very much.
Sure.
Next, we'll go to Chris Shutler with William Blair. Please go ahead.
Steve, my question was answered. Thanks.
Okay. Sure.
And speaker currently we have no additional questions in queue at this time. Please do continue. [Operator Instructions] We'll go to line of Chris Donat with Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thanks for taking the follow-up. I wanted to go back on one issue with Steve, and as we think about Wells Fargo and also TIAA, and basically any client where you're migrating from TRUST 3000 to SWP, how should we think about the revenue progression, because it seems like you'll continue to generate revenue from the TRUST 3000 component. I assume there is also revenue tied to migration and then once the migration ends, is there a drop off as you convert to SWP?
I mean, we know you converted 39 clients, so haven't seen dramatic things in the revenue line so far. But just help us think about it.
So I'd say a couple of things. As we've talked about in the past, typically, the differential that we've looked at and targeted between TRUST 3000 and SWP from recurring revenues in the 20% to 30% range. Now, obviously, as they're going through the process many of them have onetime conversion implementation fees. That would drop off, obviously, as they go to SWP, but then there will be that 20% to 30% target increase. But also some of these have custom development and some projects that continue on, that would continue with some of the onetimes.
But I think maybe in general what I'd say is think about it as TRUST 3000 fee, plus implementation moving to SWP with a 20% to 30% increase.
Got it. Thanks, Steve.
Sure.
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Thank you. So, ladies and gentlemen, while sales were below our standards in the first quarter I remain encouraged by the direction our businesses are taking and the progress we're making. While we face short-term headwinds, we believe that the recent changes we made to our organization along with the investments we're making will help us benefit from all the changes taking place in our industry.
That concludes our presentation. Have a good day and thank you very much for attending.
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