Richardson Electronics Ltd

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Earnings Call Transcript 2024-Q3

[Operator]

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Richardson Electronics Earnings Call for the Third Quarter of Fiscal Year 2024. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ed Richardson, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

[Edward Richardson, executive]

Good morning, and welcome to Richardson Electronics conference call for the third quarter of fiscal year 2024. Joining me today are Robert Ben, Chief Financial Officer; Wendy Diddell, Chief Operating Officer and General Manager for Richardson Healthcare; Greg Peloquin, General Manager of our Power & Microwave Technologies Group, which includes the Green Energy Solutions; and Jens Ruppert, General Manager of Canvys. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be available for playback.

I would also like to remind you that we'll be making forward-looking statements that are based on current expectations and involve risks and uncertainties. Therefore, our actual results could be materially different. Please refer to our press release and SEC filings for an explanation of our risk factors.

I'm pleased to report that we returned to profitability in the third quarter. Sales increased 18.7% sequentially, reflecting improving business conditions. Stronger demand for our ULTRA3000 from new and existing wind customers drove higher GES, Green Energy Solutions, sales. The sequential increase in sales and profitability is encouraging, reflecting the benefits of our diversification strategies as well as our team's focus on enhancing profitability and strengthening our balance sheet.

Our net sales continued to reflect the cyclical nature of the sales to semiconductor wafer fab customers, which declined $11.5 million in sales during the quarter. We believe Q3 will be our lowest semiconductor revenue quarter. Our customers continue to tell us they anticipate growth in the back half of calendar year 2024, leading to record sales in calendar year 2025.

Another highlight in the quarter was the $4 million sequential decrease in inventory, reflecting prudent strategies aimed at improving working capital levels. Throughout fiscal 2024, we focused on improving inventory levels to better align with expected demand across our markets. Inventory grew primarily in response to supply chain constraints over the past several years. I'm pleased with the progress that our global teams are making. The quarter marks the first time we've seen a decline in inventory in more than 2 years.

I'll now turn the call over to Bob Ben, our Chief Financial Officer, to review our third quarter financial performance in detail. Then Greg, Wendy, and Jens will discuss our business unit performance, including an update on the new products, programs and customers that continue to drive our optimism for the future.

[Robert Ben, executive]

Thank you, Ed, and good morning. I will review our financial results for our third quarter of fiscal year 2024, followed by a review of our cash position.

Net sales for the third quarter of fiscal 2024 were $52.4 million, compared to net sales of $70.4 million in the prior year's third quarter. PMT sales decreased by $15.7 million from last year's third quarter, primarily driven by a decline in manufactured products for our semiconductor wafer fabrication equipment customers.

Sales for GES increased $0.1 million from last year's third quarter, which included a large sale of EV locomotive battery modules that did not recur in fiscal 2024. Canvys sales decreased by $3.1 million, primarily due to short-term customer pushouts in North America. Richardson Healthcare sales increased by $0.7 million, compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2023 as higher CT tube and parts demand offset lower system sales.

Backlog totaled $147.7 million at the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2024 versus $150.7 million at the end of the second quarter of fiscal 2024. The sequential decline was in PMT and Canvys. GES backlog of $36.8 million increased from the second quarter of fiscal 2024 by $1.1 million. Consolidated gross margin for the third quarter was 29.5% of net sales, compared to 31.8% in last year's third quarter, primarily due to product mix and underabsorption. Without underabsorption of the company's manufacturing facility, management estimates that the company's consolidated gross margin for the third quarter of fiscal 2024 would have been 31.0%.

PMT's gross margin decreased to 28.3% from 32.9%, primarily due to product mix and $0.8 million of manufacturing underabsorption. GES gross margin increased in the third quarter of fiscal 2024 to 26.6% from 25.7% in the prior year's third quarter due to product mix. Canvys gross margin increased in the third quarter of fiscal 2024 to 34.4% from 32.0% in the prior year's third quarter because of product mix. Healthcare's gross margin increased to 41.6% in the third quarter of fiscal 2024, compared to 39.8% in the prior year's third quarter, as a result of an improved product mix.

Operating expenses were $14.4 million for the third quarter of fiscal 2024, compared to $14.8 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2023. The decrease in operating expenses resulted from lower incentive expenses, partially offset by higher R&D expenses in support of the company's growth initiatives. The company reported an operating income of $1.0 million for the third quarter of fiscal 2024 versus operating income of $7.6 million in the third quarter of last year. Other expense for the third quarter of fiscal 2024, including interest income and foreign exchange, was less than $0.1 million, compared to other income of $0.4 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2023.

Income tax provision was $0.2 million or a 23.4% effective tax rate versus an income tax provision of $1.7 million or a 20.7% effective tax rate for the third quarter of fiscal 2023. Net income for the third quarter of fiscal 2024 was $0.8 million or $0.05 per diluted common share, compared to net income of $6.3 million or $0.44 per diluted common share in the third quarter of fiscal 2023.

Turning to a review of the results for the first 9 months of fiscal year 2024. Net sales for the first 9 months of fiscal year 2024 were $149.1 million, a decrease from $203.8 million in the first 9 months of fiscal year 2023, which reflected lower sales across our business segments. Gross margin decreased to 30.3% from 33.0%, primarily reflecting product mix and manufacturing underabsorption in PMT, product mix in GES as well as increased scrap expense and manufacturing underabsorption in Healthcare, which was partially offset by a favorable product mix and lower freight costs for Canvys.

Operating expenses were $44.7 million for the first 9 months of the fiscal year, which represented an increase of $1.0 million from the first 9 months of the last fiscal year. The increase was due to higher salaries and R&D expenses, partially offset by lower incentive expenses. Operating income for the first 9 months of fiscal year 2024 was $0.5 million as compared to an operating income of $23.6 million for the first 9 months of fiscal year 2023. Other expense for the first 9 months of fiscal 2024, including interest income and foreign exchange, was $0.2 million as compared to other expense of $0.1 million for the first 9 months of fiscal 2023.

Income tax provision was $0.1 million or an effective tax rate of 39.2% during the first 9 months of fiscal 2024 versus an income tax provision of $5.3 million or an effective tax rate of 22.5% in the prior year's first 9 months. The company reported net income of $0.2 million or $0.01 per diluted common share for the first 9 months of fiscal year 2024 versus net income of $18.2 million or $1.27 per diluted common share for the first 9 months of fiscal year 2023.

Moving to a review of our cash position. Cash and investments at the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2024 were $18.9 million, compared to $22.8 million at the end of the second quarter of fiscal 2024. The use of cash during the third quarter of fiscal 2024 primarily resulted from a $5.3 million increase in accounts receivable and a $4.1 million decrease in accounts payable, partially offset by a $4.0 million decrease in inventory. U.S. cash and investments were $5.2 million at the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2024 versus $8.8 million at the end of the second quarter of fiscal year 2024.

Capital expenditures were $0.4 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2024 and relate to investments in our IT system versus a total of $2.2 million in the third quarter of fiscal year 2023. We paid $0.8 million in cash dividends in the third quarter of fiscal year 2024. In addition, our Board of Directors declared a regular quarterly cash dividend of $0.06 per common share, which will be paid in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2024. As of the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2024, the company had no outstanding debt on its $30 million revolving line of credit with PNC Bank.

Now I will turn the call over to Greg, who will discuss the results for our PMT and GES business groups.

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

Thank you, Bob, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased to share that in fiscal 2024 third quarter, we experienced strong quarter-over-quarter sequential growth and slight year-over-year growth for our Green Energy Solutions group, or GES. GES sales were up 342% sequentially from $2.6 million to $11.5 million. In addition, our GES book-to-bill is 1.07 for the third quarter with the addition of new customers, new products, and new technology partners.

As we implement our GES growth strategy and until our new products are mature, we are seeing fluctuations from quarter to quarter in terms of sales. The team continues to do a great job identifying customer requirements, establishing design and manufacturing capabilities and launching beta site testing. In a short amount of time, we have designed numerous products, received several patents, and developed a growing list of key customers. All this will help develop a more predictable quarterly revenue stream.

As a reminder, GES benefited from several large projects last fiscal year, including electric locomotive development and large-scale rollout of Pitch Energy Modules to the replacement of lead acid batteries with our major owner-operators of GE wind turbines, such as NextEra, Enel, and [ Imbor Energy ]. We remain confident that our market share continues to expand. Our customers repeatedly tell us we have maintained our market share for our core GES applications, identifying new opportunities, and the slowdown in revenue in Q1 and Q2 was purely a timing issue. In fact, our customer pipeline and the number of opportunities continue to increase as we take advantage of significant energy transformation projects globally.

Our combined GES and PMT backlog remained strong at over $98 million. Given our inventory position, we believe we will continue to ship many incoming orders from stock, as we were able to do in Q3. This resulted in significant inventory reduction, which we expect will convert into cash in the coming quarters as receivables are collected. We remain focused on managing our business to support our customers' needs when they are ready.

So with that, let's look at the third quarter performance for both GES and PMT groups in more detail. GES sales were $11.5 million in the quarter, up from $11.4 million in the prior year's third quarter, and up over 342% from the prior quarter, driven by a larger customer base, mainly for the ULTRA3000 as well as increase in new product revenue from designs with our component technology partners. We continue to grow market share with the customers needing our niche, power management focused patent green emery products. Beginning in Q3 FY '24, we saw an increase in the budget for individual site rollouts for our wind customers. With over 53 million shipped program to date, we are excited to see this and expect to see positive trends continue in Q4 FY '24.

We also continue to beta test our patent-pending ULTRAUPS3000, which replaces lead acid batteries in the UPS system at the base or down tower of the wind turbine. The ULTRAUPS3000 will be used by other owner-operators of GE and Siemens wind turbines. Tests are going well, and we have led to important improvements in the product. We anticipate generating production revenue from the ULTRAUPS3000 product line in late September 2024 as beta testing is completed with our customers.

We're also testing the ULTRAPEM3000 or multi-brand products, which serve the same function as the ULTRA3000 but different mechanical designs with other wind turbine platforms such as SSB, Suzlon, Senvion, and Nordex, expanding our market outside of North America. One major program I mentioned in Q2 for the ULTRAPEM3000 is beta testing with Suzlon on both an OEM and replacement basis. The replacement opportunity is for more than 7,000 turbines in India alone, with several thousand more in North America and Europe. We expect to ship production orders for the Suzlon program starting in late October 2024. The ULTRAPEM3000 is also in final testing with several owner operators in Latin America and North America, which manage Suzlon, SSB pitch systems. We'll be rolling out 4 new versions of Senvion, Suzlon, Nordex, and SSB in Europe at the Clean Energy Show in Hamburg, Germany in September 2024.

In the EV locomotive segment, due to supply chain issues for piece parts for our suppliers and design changes, our prototype superstructure builds for longline and railroad and BNSF electric locomotives will now be completed this quarter and into Q1 of next fiscal year. We anticipate production units will begin shipping in the third and fourth quarters of calendar 2024. We have beta orders for a patented ULTRAGEN3000 starter module with 2 large diesel and EV locomotive manufacturers. It's important to note that we are exclusive to both of these manufacturers. If all continues as planned, we anticipate production orders will begin in late July 2024.

In summary, last quarter, we anticipated sequential revenue growth in Q3 and Q4 within our GES business unit, driven by new products, customers and technology suppliers and supported by the forecast and backlog from our project-based customers. We saw that large increase in sales over Q2 and year-over-year growth in Q3. We're expecting quarter-over-quarter growth again in Q4. I want to stress that despite the slow growth in the first 6 months of the fiscal year, we did not lose any market share. In fact, we continued to increase our market share with new products, new applications and new customers.

Turning to Power & Microwave Technologies, or PMT, which includes the Electron Device Group, or EDG, and our legacy 2 business, and the Power Microwave Group or PMG, our power microcomponents group. Sales decreased 33% from $46.8 million to $31.2 million. This decline was primarily due to the slowdown in our semiconductor wafer fabrication equipment business. The decline in the semiconductor wafer fab business was slightly offset by growth in the RF and microwave power components group. We expect to see quarter-over-quarter growth for our semiconductor wafer fabrication equipment business in Q4 FY '24 based on customer feedback and market predictions and with a book-to-bill of over 1.14 for PMT overall coming out of Q3.

Our Engineered Solutions strategy is led by our global technology partners. In Q3, we continue to add technology partners who fill technology gaps in our offering and support our growth, including Wolfspeed, Ideal Power and MCI Components. Often through these partnerships, we identify opportunities for new products that we design and manufacture in-house. This increases the value we provide customers and allows us to capture more revenue while expanding and diversifying our customer base. In April, we are excited to be expanding our RF and microwave portfolio with the addition of Wolfspeed, Cree Semiconductors through our global relationship with MACOM. These long-term supplier relationships are extremely strong. And when appropriate, we work with them on strategic long-term purchases to maintain proper levels of supply. We negotiate special terms, stock adjustment privileges, and shipping schedules to help improve cash flow. In addition, having inventory on hand allows us to capture and maintain market share. We collaborate with our customers and suppliers and leverage our customers' forecast to help us strategically invest in inventory and ensure we can meet our customers' needs. Our growing customer base and strong relationships with these customers help us develop new products and opportunities. We will continue to invest in our infrastructure to support our growth. We are bringing on talented design and field engineers and making investments to enhance our manufacturing capabilities.

Our growing in-house design engineering and manufacturing teams are doing a great job supporting the increased demand for current and new product designs. With this team, we'll continue to identify, develop and introduce new product and technologies for green energy and other power management and microwave applications. I cannot stress enough the value Richardson Electronics model brings to our customers and suppliers. Our unparalleled capability and global go-to-market strategy are unique to the power energy and RF microwave and green energy markets.

We developed a strong business model, including legacy products and new technology partners that fit well with our engineered solutions capabilities. Through our steadfast and creative focus on customers, we will continue to excel by taking advantage of opportunities as they arise. The execution of our strategy has never been better. There's no question, our customers and technology partners need Richardson's products and support more than ever. And with that, I'll turn it over to Wendy Diddell to discuss Richardson Healthcare.

[Wendy Diddell, executive]

Thanks, Greg. Good morning, everyone. Third quarter sales for the Healthcare division were $3.1 million, an improvement of 29.6% compared to the third quarter of last year and a slight increase over the second quarter. CT tube and part sales were up versus the prior year's third quarter, while system sales were down, primarily due to the timing of cash receipts from our customers in Latin America. In the quarter, we again benefited from sales of our repaired Siemens Straton Z tubes.

Healthcare's gross margin in the quarter improved to 41.6%, compared to 14.8% in our most recent second quarter. Gross margin in the same period last fiscal year was 39.8%. The gross margin improvement was primarily due to a favorable product mix, including higher parts and Siemens tube sales. We also realized the benefit of restructuring done at the end of the second quarter and reallocation of resources focused on the Siemens repaired tube program.

We continue to make excellent progress with the Siemens program. The Siemens repair program includes 4 tube types, the Straton Z, MX, MXP and MXP46. The repaired Straton Z is in full production and performing well in the field. Straton Z sales are starting to ramp up as we have a steadier flow of production and can expand our customer base. A repaired MX series tubes are performing well in beta and live tests. While we may be able to sell a small number of repaired tubes in the next 2 quarters, we anticipate the full release of the MX series later this summer when we're able to replace critical components.

We continue to closely monitor Healthcare's financial performance with the goal of achieving a breakeven point in the fourth quarter. With limited sales of the repaired Siemens series, this will remain challenging, but we are taking the right steps to balance our investments with other opportunities in the company. I will now turn the call over to Jens Ruppert to discuss the results of Canvys.

[Jens Ruppert, executive]

Thanks, Wendy, and good morning, everyone. Canvys engineers, manufactures, and sells custom displays to regional equipment manufacturers across global industrial and medical markets. Canvys sales for the third quarter of fiscal 2024 reflect certain customer pushouts primarily in North America. As a result, sales were $6.6 million for the third quarter, compared to a very strong quarter last year with sales of $9.7 million.

One area I'd like to highlight is our $46.2 million backlog. As you can see, our backlog remains robust, providing us with strong foundation for future revenue growth. This backlog not only demonstrates the confidence our clients have at our products and services, but also reflect our ability to secure long-term contracts in a competitive market environment.

Another notable highlight from the third quarter of fiscal 2024 is the improvement in our gross margin. We are pleased to report that our gross margin as a percentage of net sales increased to 34.4%, compared to 32.0% during the same period last year. This improvement underscores our relentless focus on operational excellence and cost management. Through strategic initiatives and operational enhancements, we've been able to enhance our efficiency and optimize our cost structure, resulting in improved margin.

During the quarter, we received several new orders from both existing and first-time medical OEM customers. Some of these applications include patient monitoring, colposcopy, surgical navigation, super pulse laser systems and robotic-assisted surgery. These applications underscore our commitment to providing innovative solutions that meet the evolving needs of our customers in the medical sector. Furthermore, they highlight our ability to establish and cultivate long-term relationships with both existing and new clients, positioning us for sustaining growth in these key market segments.

In the nonmedical space, our products are used in a variety of commercial and industrial applications. This includes displays used in the public transportation space, such as train driver consoles and passenger information monitors, air traffic control, HMI or human machine interface applications for surface inspection machines, entertainer prompting and talent monitors and clocks used in the broadcast market.

As we navigate through the dynamic market environment, it's important to acknowledge that some of our customers have exhibited a cautious approach due to prevailing uncertainties. However, despite this caution, we remain optimistic about the recovery of demand in the coming quarters. We've observed promising indicators and anticipate a gradual rebound as market conditions stabilize. Our ongoing dialogue with customers supports our confidence in the potential recovery ahead.

One of the key drivers for our optimism is increased business stemming from new design wins. These wins underscore the recognition and acceptance of our products and solutions in the market. Our engineering teams have been diligently engaged, demonstrating a high level of activity and commitment to our strategic objectives. Despite the challenges post [indiscernible] factors, our engineering team have remained focused on innovation and product development, laying the groundwork for future growth opportunities. We've strategically positioned ourselves to capitalize on emerging opportunities, and these design wins validate the effectiveness of our approach. As we continue to leverage these wins, further penetrating target markets, we're participating a positive impact on our revenue growth and market share.

From the variety of customers and applications as well as the value of orders from existing and new customers, it is clear we offer our global customers outstanding products and localized service. While our sales organization stays focused on new opportunities, I will be focusing on executing our strategic initiatives to drive sustainable growth and create long-term value for our shareholders. I will now turn the call back over to Ed.

[Edward Richardson, executive]

Thanks, Jens. I know customer pushouts have been a source of frustration for you and your team. But with strong backlog and recent wins, we're confident that the business will improve sequentially.

Despite headwinds from economic conditions, higher interest rates, and a lagging economy in China, we maintain our optimism and remain committed to our long-term growth strategies. We continue to pursue significant projects and develop new engineered solutions that take advantage of opportunities created by recent government stimulus programs and global energy transition trends.

We believe we're well positioned to capitalize on large, rapidly growing global markets. This is exactly why we maintain a strong balance sheet with access to additional sources of capital, if necessary, to fund this growth. We're convinced our ever-expanding product road map for Green Energy Solutions to large global customers will be crucial as a part of our revenue growth going forward. The solutions we offer not only help achieve lower carbon emission goals, but they also create cost savings for our growing customer base.

In the wind market, for example, lead acid batteries must be replaced every 1 or 2 years. Our ULTRACAPACITOR3000 has a life expectancy of more than 10 years. Wind turbine operators may never have to replace ULTRA3000 before replacing the wind turbine. This saves customers labor costs as well as ensures greater uptime, resulting in more power generated. International growth opportunities as well as expansion to other wind turbine brands within the U.S. provides more evidence that demand for our ultracapacitor modules are there and growing.

Last quarter, we referred to opportunities created by the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, such as the 100-kilowatt generators to power pilot reactors to make crystalline diamond materials for high-tech applications. In this quarter, we'll ship the first generator. These generators are over $100,000 apiece. We expect this will be the first of many of the demands for large chips used in many applications, such as AI and electric vehicles. This will also have a positive impact on the demand for semiconductor wafer fab equipment.

Electric vehicle rail is still in its infancy, but states like California are mandating that the transition from diesel locomotives. So while this may be rolling out slower than we originally anticipated, the opportunity remains significant. Other applications like mining are outside the United States, and the emphasis on alternative green solutions remains a top priority. We are working closely with customers, engineering teams that are an integral player in their supply chain.

I want to stress again that our customers' products and opportunities are growing. None of these projects or programs we've discussed have been lost or canceled. Our balance sheet remains strong with nearly $19 million in cash and no debt. We're working hard to improve our working capital position and convert inventory to cash. Our approach will remain focused on maintaining healthy cash position and a strong balance sheet, while we focus on improving profitability and producing positive operating cash flow in FY '25.

Overall, we remain extremely excited by the direction we're headed in and the global opportunities we're pursuing to create value for our shareholders. At this time, we'll be happy to answer your questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Anja Soderstrom from Sidoti.

[Anja Soderstrom, analyst]

It's nice to see a sequential jump in the quarter. And what drove that? Was it a specific large project or was there several different projects that would have -- drove that GES business increase?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

Yes, it's actually a great increase in the customer base. A major portion of the increase was the ULTRA3000 business. Just for an example, last year, we had 5, 6 customers. This past quarter, we shipped to over 12 new customers for this product as it becomes market accepted, the word gets out, people are doing it, the budgets got approved.

And we said from the very beginning that Q1 and Q2, they're putting their CapEx together, and those 2 would be slow, and we've seen an increase in Q3 and Q4, and that was exactly what happened. They got their CapEx approved for 2024 and they started placing orders. And we had built up a stock to support that based on their forecast, and we were able to ship from stock. So it was actually an increase in the number of customers, and the largest increase in terms of our product was the ULTRA3000.

[Anja Soderstrom, analyst]

Okay. And that's the one you had a press release out in March, right, that you completed a phase 1 of shipping 50,000 modules?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

Exactly, yes. They looked at it. They review it and they -- everything is in phases. And according to them, their phase 1 CapEx approvals and that generated about $53,000 and we started seeing Phase 2 and Q3 start-up, so that was another reason.

[Anja Soderstrom, analyst]

And what do you think we can expect from phase 2? Is that going to be the same magnitude or could it be an expansion since you have more customers now?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

It will be that and a little bit higher, based on the forecast from these customers. Again, we started with, in a good way, the 4 largest owner-operators of GE wind turbines. The balance are the smaller group, but if you add them all together, it could be about the same amount. So we're expecting that plus for phase 2.

[Anja Soderstrom, analyst]

Okay. And in terms of expecting the sequential growth to increase continuing in the fourth quarter, what gives you confidence and what kind of visibility do you have beyond this [indiscernible]?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

We're very confident about it based on the deliveries and the backlog and the inventory we have to shift to that. And so far, like we saw in Q3, the customer base are meeting their forecasts, which is surprising because people can't forecast very well. No one can. So it's mainly based on our book-to-bill being over 1, the backlog and the schedule of that backlog and the fact that we have inventory to support it going forward.

[Anja Soderstrom, analyst]

Okay. Going to squeeze one in here about the inventory. So that was a nice work down. But now when you expect the growth to continue, should we expect inventory to -- could that continue to decline in dollar amount? Or should it be staying flat or even increase maybe in the coming quarters?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

I'll touch on GES. We expect sales to increase and inventory to go down specific to the GES, and I'll let the other SBU people.

[Wendy Diddell, executive]

Yes. I would just add to that, Anja, that we do have the entire management team focused on it. While we wouldn't go so far as to say it's absolutely going to decrease, that is everybody's intent, is to make that happen. So we're all on board. We're pushing out where we can. We're cutting back where we can, and trying to negotiate different arrangements with certain suppliers.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Ross Taylor from ARS Investment Partners.

[Porter Taylor, analyst]

Congratulations on a strong operating performance in the quarter. It's nice to see you back in the green profitability-wise. You indicated on this call that you think that we basically are at the nadir for the semi-cap equipment business, and that's been a major driver to the drop in profitability. You've also indicated that you expect calendar -- your customers expect calendar '25 to be a record year for them in that area. So would I be right to assume you think that calendar '25, those 12 months, should be producing a record level of revenues for you guys?

[Edward Richardson, executive]

Yes. I mean, we're listening on a regular basis to Lam Research, who is our largest customer, but we also sell to Tokyo Electron and Applied Materials and a number of other customers in that space. And they're all telling us that in 2025, the semi wafer fab business will be higher than ever. As you know, last year, we did $40 million in that space at a very nice margin. And this year, it's less than $20 million. So if you can count on it being over $40 million, next year should be a record year.

[Porter Taylor, analyst]

And should you be able to do same kind of margins or better that you saw back a year ago?

[Edward Richardson, executive]

Yes. I mean, we're proprietary in a lot of those products so our margins are very good.

[Porter Taylor, analyst]

Yes. Historically, there's been kind of almost like a 1:1 type sell-through, it appears, or correlation. Also, you indicated on this call and you've indicated previously that the Green Energy business is looking at a tremendous number of opportunities that come on over the next 12 to 18 months. So I would assume you would think that you guys think that the Green business should be able to produce a record level of performance as well as, let's say, looking at the 12 months of calendar '25?

[Edward Richardson, executive]

Well, we've seen a lot of pushouts in that space. We think that it's a matter of when, not if. There's certainly a tremendous opportunity in all kinds of areas, not only the ultracapacitors or wind turbines, but especially with the electric locomotives and the battery starts for diesel locomotives, but it seems as if it's rolling out much slower than we anticipated.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Barry Mendel from Mendel Money Management.

[Barry Mendel, analyst]

Yes. I remember about a year ago, you assessed Progress Rail, but that maybe could be your biggest customer going forward. But really haven't heard much about them, so what is going on with Progress Rail?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

Well, the main thing going on currently in Progress Rail, we've met all the commitments for their initial orders for the prototypes, both in North America and Brazil. Their main customers, as I think you know, are in Australia and then Long Island Railroad in Burlington Northern. So we've built the product, we shipped it to them. They're now building up the entire train and then working with their customers through a long design-in phase.

However, I think in FY '25, the 2 main programs we have going in the locomotives market are the 2 starter modules that we make for the 2 largest owner-operators of diesel locomotives. We just got a release for [ 25 ] trains. That product is designed and developed here in LaFox. So for example, one of the owner -- manufacturers of diesel locomotives, there's 25,000 trains that this product will go into over time.

So if I look at FY '25, we look at, potentially in the fourth quarter, their end customers will start buying electric trains. But in the meantime, we've continued to identify other opportunities in the locomotive space. And in this case, it's the starter module that we have designed for them.

[Barry Mendel, analyst]

So you're saying you could start shipping up in your fiscal fourth quarter?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

The actual orders for the diesel locomotives that we've already shipped to are battery modules and our superstructures in our fourth quarter of FY '25, yes. But going forward, we have a release starting in Q1 for our starter modules that we've designed and developed for their diesel locomotives. Obviously, the other stuff is for their electric locomotives.

So we have a great relationship with them. We're finding new opportunities for them. There's some IGBT modules that we're looking at designing for them. So yes, there's no question that once the electric locomotive business is accepted by their end customers and they start placing orders for those, I think you're aware of the large dollar amount of content we have on those trains that Progress -- those 2 manufacturers will be our largest customers.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of [ Chip Rui ] from Rui Asset Management.

[Unknown Analyst]

Just focusing on the balance sheet a little bit. The inventories at $112.6 million, combined with the cash, look rock solid to me compared to the market value of the company. And given that, I wonder if you could talk a little bit about the quality of the inventory, the ability to deliver, if there's any aging issues, anything that would prevent that inventory being delivered kind of at cost on the balance sheet and, of course, better than that.

And I think, as of last quarter, you, in the Q, it was $99 million of finished good inventory. Just wondering if you could let us know the finished good inventories percentage of inventories as you talk about really what's there on the shelf. And is what on the shelf going to get taken kind of as-is versus needs to be modified or other things like that?

[Robert Ben, executive]

Chip, this is Bob Ben. We feel very good about the quality of our inventory. As you noted, we have a total of about $113 million. And right now, we have about a $5 million total reserve on that, which is reviewed every quarter. We review -- just so you understand, we review every product in our inventory once a year and some more than that.

I might note that also gets reviewed by our auditors. So overall, we feel very good. I'm looking for the exact amount of finished goods. But as you would expect, almost -- or most of that is finished goods. And the highest amount would be in the Electron Device Group, specifically our core tube business as well as products that we have for our Canvys division and our Healthcare division. And certainly, as Greg noted, our GES segment has about $15 million of inventory right now.

And again, I'm sorry, I don't have it at my fingertips. We'll have it in our 10-Q later today, but we do break out in the footnotes the finished goods amount. Yes, I just don't have that handy, but did I answer your question or did you have more specific questions on that?

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Ross Taylor from ARS Investment Partners.

[Porter Taylor, analyst]

I have to be careful how I phrase this since we got a very severe disciplinarian on the questions. I wanted to get, and I think the prior questioner started to get to this, is you have a company or stock that's selling basically about $1 above net working capital. You're selling under book value. You have no debt on the balance sheet. You've talked on this call about monetizing inventories. You said the inventories are money good and are mostly finished goods, which means they're basically stored profitability that's sitting there, and they also reflect effectively an overstated cost impact.

Looking at all of that and at the advice of Warren Buffett, who tells people that you are supposed to buy when others are fearful, why has this company not been really aggressive in buying back its own stock? Not only you're not aggressive, you're not even buying it back. And it just -- it baffles me because I hear you talk about next year, calendar year being what should be a record year. Your prior year was over $1.50. There were some onetime items in that, but let's call it $1.40. You're trading at $10 in here, $10, which is less of the book value. And I have to believe you think this company is worth more than book value. So what is keeping you? I mean, you've got a long history, your bankers have to believe that you're money good. They've known you for a long time. If they don't, then get better bankers. Why aren't you putting a little debt on the balance sheet and taking advantage of the severe dislocation in front of what should be a rocket ship in '25?

[Edward Richardson, executive]

Well, we talk about it at every Board meeting, the possibility of buying stock back. Right now, as we've mentioned, we're really pushing and trying to keep positive cash and reduce the inventory to do that. And once we get to a position we're cash flow positive, we'll certainly look at the possibility of buying stock.

To give you some idea, when we sold our FPD in 2011, we bought $65 million of the stock back. And every time we bought the stock back, the price of the stock would go down. So the investment people were looking at the value of the company on cash only, and all we achieved was to drive the price of the stock down. So we don't have a very good experience on buying stock back.

[Porter Taylor, analyst]

I hate to tell you, but I think was Edison made that famous quote about how many times he failed inventing the lightbulb and he kept trying. I mean, the idea that it didn't work in the past, to me, I mean, just honestly, if you hear a Southern thud, it's me banging my head on the desk. The fact that it didn't work -- you're not that business. You have a much more -- you have a broader base of business, you have a lot more growth opportunities.

If your Board can't see that you're a different company today than you were then and if you can't yourself see it, then we need a different Board. We need a Board who actually have some vision, that has a little bit of courage. I mean, I think we brought Warren Buffett into one of your Board meetings, he would lecture you guys on how you're literally letting a golden opportunity go by.

And what happened in the past, that's the type of thing that -- that doesn't advance progress. That stifles it, Ed. And you -- I've talked to you, we know each other. You're a very bright man, you know better than the things that something has happened in the past, under different collection of holders in a different business environment with a different company is an effective measure of what you are today and what you should be doing today, right?

[Edward Richardson, executive]

We certainly appreciate your opinion.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Joseph Nerges from Segren Investments.

[Joseph Nerges, analyst]

I was very interested in a press release from last month when you signed that global distribution agreement with Ideal Power. And I guess my key question here is do we have any plans to develop proprietary products around their bidirectional wave -- their technology?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

Absolutely. We have 2 calls a month specific to that. And that's really fits right into the model that we've built here. When I came back, we signed technology partners who have some disruptive technology that is focused on our 2 key markets, which is power management and RF, and Ideal Power does fit all that. They have a disruptive technology. It's unique. We're exclusive, we're global.

And we're already talking with them about a couple of their products for one of our designs that we're looking at. So absolutely, they'll be both designing in their components into our suppliers. A lot of our battery manufacturers could use this technology for their modules, obviously, into our customers and then to use it internally for our engineered solutions. And there's a couple of products that we're working on right now that I can't announce by any means at this point, but we'll absolutely be using Ideal Power for that.

And they've been great. We have a great engineering relationship already. But that is exactly what we do when we -- when you see a press release with a company like this that has a disruptive technology, it's threefold. It's to design it into our competitors -- I mean, our suppliers, design it into our customers, and then also use it for our engineered solutions opportunities as they come to fruition.

[Joseph Nerges, analyst]

Well, again, it's great. I mean, the applications on their technology seem to be very widespread, and I'm thinking of -- we have a UPS product that -- the ULTRAUPS3000, and I'm just wondering, can we enter -- again, these are some pretty big competitors in these markets. But do you think we can successfully enter, let's say, the data center market with a UPS product or something similar to that? Because...

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

Yes, yes. The UPS product, that technology can be used in so many applications. I will tell you, it is a major, major program. It's an inverter application for one of our key customers that we will be using Ideal Power for. And again, it's a new relationship, a few months, but although we've talked to them and we know the people there, it's a small [indiscernible] market. So I've worked with many of the people that are there in other capacities over the years.

But the answer to your question is, yes. And specifically, there is one right now that's a major program. It's for an inverter application, inverter module, that this will be the product that we're using. And we think, with their technology, it will separate the spec sheet from anything that's out there today. So, yes, we're excited about Ideal Power and also all of our technology partners. That's the process we go through.

[Joseph Nerges, analyst]

Yes. Well, I look forward to seeing what you guys come up within the next several months.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Barry Mendel from Mendel Money Management.

[Barry Mendel, analyst]

Yes, a follow-up on the Progress Rail and Wabtec. What's the ASP on the starter modules for them?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

Yes. We have NDAs with them. I can't share our cost or our resells to those applications or even on those type of customers. Too many competitors out there listening.

[Barry Mendel, analyst]

Okay. And in terms of Ideal Power, how big or how important could that be for you? Is there any dollar amount you could put on there? And aren't you -- isn't somewhat of a distribution agreement as well?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

Yes, it's both. It's all based on the number of new products they introduce. Right now, their portfolio is very limited. They are developing a module and they have a couple of discrete devices. But if you just look at the markets that they go into, it's millions of dollars. But I've had a lot of experience with technology partners in this type of go-to-market strategy.

And if one of these programs that we're doing from an engineered solutions point of view, it's millions, right? From a discrete point of view, it's pure NPI process, new product introduction process, both our global capabilities, where I feel the best in the world of bringing technology companies to get them to market as they invest in technology, and we have the infrastructure to bring it to market.

But it's millions of dollars. I can't come up with a number, but I've seen companies like this that we started with that became Qorvo, and we know how big they are. So sky's the limit, but the thing that excites us about this is the markets that they're developing product for us are growth markets. I know it's inverters and industrial, but it's great for green energy as people need to reduce the input on their emissions.

So I can't put a dollar on it, but it's millions of dollars. It could be one product that we design internally or one major electric vehicle charging station that we end up designing a product into.

[Barry Mendel, analyst]

Yes. I know I talked to them yesterday actually, and they spoke highly of what you're doing for them already.

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

Yes. We -- like I mentioned before, I don't have a lot of attributes, one of them [indiscernible] patients. And day 1, we trained the global field sales engineers. We've trained our design engineers, and we immediately, within 24 hours, had their product in front of customers. One of the things I'll just add on the call, which is unique to us, and so I want to say it, every one of our customers, we can assign application codes to, so up to 5.

And so when a customer like Ideal Power comes out with a new product for a specific application, our global field sales engineers can sort their entire customer base and identify anyone who's ever built an inverter or an electric charging station. And that product and those samples and those sales tools get to that customer [indiscernible] within 24 hours. So, yes, we're excited about Ideal Power. And again, like I mentioned before, we know the people there because it's a small and [indiscernible] market.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of David Schneider.

[Unknown Analyst]

First of all, I want to give an A+ to Ross Taylor and he hit the nail right in the head, but actually left out a few things, but there's no need to go over that territory again. I'm wondering, the stock has, over the past years, you've gone up and down because of the cyclicality of the semiconductor cap equipment business. Is it possible that things like the relationship with Ideal Power can smooth some of that out?

And it's being -- your company is being valued as literally a no-growth company at this point. Could the new product applications from Ideal Power change the trajectory and maybe the perception of your company so that maybe you could become valued as a growth company again?

[Gregory Peloquin, executive]

I think that the model that we have with Ideal Power and the list of other technology partners, and you've seen, obviously, as this business has developed, press releases on the people we're signing, I think as they apply to engineered solutions and you've heard about all the engineered solutions opportunities. And I think as I mentioned before in the call, we're introducing new products, Suzlon, Nordex, Senvion and SSB, but all that together, absolutely, it will subsidize the rollercoaster ride that the semiconductor manufacturing equipment industry has had for 20 years.

We know it's coming. Some are higher than others, but that's kind of the goal a little bit, that we're doing this for the profitability and growth in the stock price of the company, but it does help subsidize the rollercoaster ride that we've all experienced for 20, 30 years of the semiconductor wafer fab market. So yes, Ideal will be part of that, but that's the whole list of technology partners and the new products in these new high-growth markets like green energy and power management, et cetera.

So that's the way -- and we've done, obviously, a lot of this business turned to green energy in the past 2.5 years, that's $40 million, right, a year or so. That alone subsidized a lot of it. But the downturn the past year has been so severe, just like the upturn was so severe in a positive way in 2023, 2022 just could make up all of it. And that's why you're seeing flat to down in overall sales.

[Operator]

At this time, I would now like to turn the conference back over to Ed Richardson for closing remarks.

[Edward Richardson, executive]

Well, thank you again for joining us today. We appreciate your investment and interest in Richardson Electronics. We look forward to our ongoing discussions and sharing our fiscal 2024 with you in July. Please don't hesitate to give us a call at any time. We're happy to talk to you directly if you want to set up an appointment. Thanks very much.

[Operator]

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.