Progress Software Corp

NASDAQ:PRGS

Earnings Call Analysis

Progress Reports Robust Q3, Raises FY23 Guidance

The third quarter showed Progress surging ahead with its total growth strategy, resulting in solid performance and aggressive pursuit of M&A opportunities. ARR grew approximately 18% to $577 million, and the company had robust net retention of just under 101%. Revenue reached the high end of forecast at $176 million, marking a 15% year-over-year increase, largely due to the addition of MarkLogic and sustained stability in the core business. Operating income saw an $8 million rise to $68 million, with a steady margin of 39%. EPS outperformed expectations at $1.08. The company raised full year 2023 revenue guidance to $692-698 million, expects operating margins of 38%-39%, an adjusted free cash flow of $177-183 million, and increased EPS guidance to $4.20-4.26.

Steady Growth Amidst MOVEit Cybersecurity Incident

In a resilient display of corporate responsiveness, the company addressed the MOVEit cybersecurity incident quickly and efficiently, earning praise for their rapid actions. Despite MOVEit services accounting for a modest portion of revenue, under 4%, the incident's effect on the third-quarter financials was thankfully minor. The full repercussions, especially any potential legal outcomes, remain to be accurately assessed, but will be conveyed in upcoming regulatory filings.

Healthy Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR) and Net Retention Rates

The firm achieved an 18% growth in ARR year-over-year, reaching $577 million, with a pro forma growth of 2% when accounting for the integration of MarkLogic. A notable indicator of customer satisfaction and product stickiness is the company's net retention rate, which hovers just below the coveted 101% threshold. This reflects a well-received product mix and valuable R&D investments that help maintain customer success.

Strong Quarterly Revenue and Cost Management

With a revenue surge to $176 million for the quarter, the company not only hit the high end of its forecast but also registered a 15% year-over-year growth. This was fueled by multiple products, especially by OpenEdge outperforming expectations and the assimilation of MarkLogic. Such robust income, along with strict cost controls leading to an EPS of $1.08 – surpassing guidance – speak to a financially disciplined approach and a promise of synchronized MarkLogic integration to realize full synergy within this fiscal year.

Positive Adjustments in Financial Outlook

Encouraged by the solid financial performance, the company has adjusted its revenue projections upwards by $1 million to an anticipated range of $692 to $698 million. Complementing this optimistic revenue outlook is a steady operating margin forecast of 38-39%, an adjusted free cash flow guidance tightened to $177-$183 million, and an enhanced earnings per share expectation set to $4.20-$4.26. The updated EPS guidance includes a projected 20% tax rate with around 45 million shares in circulation. For the fourth quarter of 2023, they anticipate revenues to land between $171 million and $177 million and EPS in the range of $0.87 to $0.93.

Earnings Call Transcript 2023-Q3

[Operator]

Good day, and welcome to the Progress Software Corporation Q3 2023 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Mr. Michael Micciche, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

[Michael Micciche, executive]

Okay. Great. Thank you, Sheri. Good afternoon, everybody, and thanks for joining us for Progress Software's Third Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. On the line with me this afternoon are Yogesh Gupta, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Anthony Folger, our Chief Financial Officer.

Before we get started, let's go over our safe harbor statement. During this call, we will discuss our outlook for future financial and operating performance, corporate strategies, product plans, cost initiatives and other information that might be considered forward-looking. Such forward-looking information represents Progress Software's outlook and guidance only as of today and is subject to risks and uncertainties. For a description of the risk factors that may affect our results, please refer to the Risk Factors section in our most recent Form 10-K and 10-Q for the quarter ended May 31, 2023.

Progress Software assumes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements included in this call. And additionally, please note that all the financial figures that we're going to reference on this call today are non-GAAP measures unless otherwise indicated. You can find a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP figures in our financial results press release, which was issued after the market close today.

The document contains additional information related to our financial results for the third quarter of 2023, and I recommend you reference that for specific details. We've also prepared a presentation that contains supplemental data for our third quarter 2023 results, providing highlights and additional financial metrics. Both the earnings release and the supplemental presentation are available on the Investor Relations section of our website and the address is investors.progress.com. As Sheri mentioned, today's conference call will be recorded in its entirety and will be available via replay on the Investor Relations section of our website.

And so with that out of the way, Yogesh, I'll turn it to you.

[Yogesh Gupta, executive]

Thank you, Mike. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us. We're delighted to have a chance to discuss our fiscal third quarter '23 results, share some details about our business and provide our outlook for the remainder of fiscal year '23.

As you've probably seen, Progress delivered another excellent performance in our third quarter, during which we hit or exceeded all of our targets. And we have raised our guidance for FY '23. So let's jump right in.

Our strong performance in Q3 was driven once again by sustained demand for our products across all geographies and solid execution from all of our teams. [ Build-it ] attention to expenses and total management of our cost structure in an environment of pervasive inflation allowed us to meet our operating margin targets. OpenEdge continued to provide significant strength as our workhorse product, while our digital experience products also performed extremely well. In addition, our digital experience products received Gartner's highest customer choice distinction in the 2023 Voice of the Customer report, evaluating digital experience platforms, which was published at the end of August.

MarkLogic is performing in line with our expectations, integration of the business is on plan and going forward, we expect MarkLogic to meet the time line we laid out when the deal closed. This quarter's out performance again demonstrates that our customers continue to rely on progress technology to run their mission-critical businesses, especially as the level of economic uncertainty increases. Our employees remain highly engaged and motivated. Our ability to attract and retain top talent remains at industry-leading levels. And during this quarter, our employee retention rates improved even further.

Anthony will break out all the numbers for you in a minute, but I'm very pleased with our execution on the top and the bottom line as well as the growth in ARR and our net retention rates, which once again came above 100%.

Now if you recall back to January of '22 on our Q4 '21 earnings call, we listed several ways in which Progress will show strength through what was then becoming a much different environment than the prior 2 years, which were broadly dominated by super low interest rates, nonexistent inflation and pandemic-driven spending. We discussed the reliability and cost effectiveness of our products and the value they deliver to our customers, especially in more difficult economic circumstances. We also talked how the cultural progress enables market-leading employee retention, which helps us keep our high quality, highly skilled and experienced people who focus intensely on customer success and drive our high customer retention rates. Because of our continued focus on our employees, Progress once again received numerous awards in Q3, including another [indiscernible] for our achievements in corporate social responsibility and recognition by B2B Media Business Awards for equality and employee care.

Driven by employees' efforts, our business has remained remarkably steady while the overall economy and market has changed significantly. We will continue to stay focused on our execution and remain extremely vigilant in managing expenses in every part of our business.

As for M&A, we still believe that the market for great acquisitions is favorable and improving for us, and we're as busy as ever, sourcing and assessing potential acquisitions. Among the times in the M&A market, the number of private equity deals continued to fall in the quarter along with the valuations of the companies acquired. And with VC-backed companies, down grounds are becoming more common, capital invested is shrinking and leverage is becoming scarce. VC deal sizes have trended down hard in 2023, especially for late-stage rounds, and deal counts are even lower than they were in 2017.

So while infrastructure software valuations remain somewhat high, which speaks to the value of the sticky installed base and high recurring revenue that comes with good infrastructure products, our corporate development team continues to bet a very encouraging pipeline of targets. In the meantime, we continue to focus on integrating MarkLogic, paying down debt and maintaining adequate financing as we look for the next deal. We've been very active and aggressive throughout the year, and we're ready to pull the trigger again operationally and financially when we find the right asset.

As previously mentioned, for MarkLogic specifically, the integration remains on track and is nearing completion on our planned time line. As in every other acquisition we have done so far, we've learned some new things and had some new challenges to overcome with MarkLogic, and we're extremely satisfied with the progress we've made. So all in all, the third quarter was right where it should be, and we continue to execute on our total growth strategy. While we aren't immune to the effects of the current environment, other companies have felt more acutely, we are pleased once again to beat numbers and rate our guidance even in the face of growing macroeconomic uncertainty.

Switching gears, after we reported our second quarter back in June, we received a number of questions on how we were using AI, which at that time was making daily headlines. As we know, AI and generative AI are technologies that capture many people's imaginations because they offer real potential for operational efficiency gains as well as opportunities for product advancement. We, at progress, have been working pragmatically to use AI, where we see potential tangible benefits to our business. AI has been actually near and dear to my own heart for decades. When I came to the U.S. many years ago to do a PhD in AI. I hold a patent in the field of newer networks. And while I was CTO at CA, we devoted significant energy to researching AI and used it in a network management product.

Many Progress products have been using the eye long before AI became the lead story on CNBC every morning. For example, Flowmon uses analytics AI to detect and predict network anomalies before they negatively impact the business of our customers. Our Sitefinity product, a key component of our digital experience offering offers AI-driven customer engagement and personalization of digital content to drive engagement and conversions.

And SmartLogic, which we recently acquired in our MarkLogic acquisition, performed Symantec AI analysis of data. What is new is generative AI or gen AI and larger language models or LLMs, as they are called. We view the gen AI opportunity in 2 broad categories. First, we're developing ways to use Gen AI to make progress more efficient and to be able to grow our top line on controlling costs. We have started using Gen AI to help our people do their jobs more efficiently in many functions, such as finding new customers, providing support, benefits administration, talent management and recruiting, legal and contract management, just to name a few. Second, we're leveraging market opportunities created by Gen AI.

For example, one of the challenges facing businesses when using Gen AI is to augment the large language models with proprietary data in a secure manner to make the output of Gen AI specific to that business. Our data platforms, combined with MarkLogic products directly address this challenge. Our products make it possible for businesses to augment the generic LLM so their own information, so this output is contextual and relevant to their specific business while keeping their proprietary information secure.

Another example is to help application developers build applications more easily. Developers in our digital experience business have been recently working on building a conversational interface tool that uses Gen AI to automatically generate fonts such as a mortgage application, say, from textural fronts. In both the operational and product categories, our efforts in AI are fueled by the excitement and creativity of our teams, but we will only invest where we believe we can drive real tangible benefits for our business, whether it is product innovation or efficiency improvement.

Lastly, let me take a moment to discuss the current status of MOVEit. As we detailed in our last earnings call, at the end of May, [indiscernible] exploited a zero-day, which is a previously unknown vulnerability in MOVEit to attack the MOVEit environment of our customers. Upon learning of the attack, we quickly patched MOVEit Cloud and created a patch for our on-prem MOVEit transfer customers. Several third-party organizations, including cybersecurity experts industry and industry publications have given Progress high marks for our rapid response.

As we indicated in our 8-K filing, MOVEit Transfer and MOVEit Cloud represent less than 4% of our revenues. And while we're incurring expenses related to legal responses and the investigation of this attack, there was minimal impact to our business in the third quarter. It is too early to assess the impact of any litigation. We will continue to provide updates in our Form 10-Q filing as we did last quarter.

I am very proud of our teams for all their efforts in responding to the vulnerability and helping our customers while still delivering great results across the business. Going forward, as always, we will continue to focus on our customers and keep taking steps to help mitigate risks throughout the company.

So to wrap it up, our third quarter was an excellent quarter for Progress. We're moving ahead with our total growth strategy, meeting our goals in the overall business while nearing the full integration of MarkLogic, we remain well capitalized and continue to hunt aggressively for the next right M&A deal.

With that, let me turn it over to Anthony for detailed financial review and outlook. Anthony?

[Anthony Folger, executive]

Thanks, Yogesh. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining our call. As Yogesh mentioned, the third quarter was another strong one for Progress, further demonstrating the strength and durability of our business. Jumping right into the numbers, I'd like to start with ARR, which we believe provides the best view into our underlying performance. We closed Q3 with ARR of $577 million which represents approximately 18% growth on a year-over-year basis and 2% pro forma growth on a year-over-year basis. To be clear, the pro forma results include MarkLogic in both periods.

The growth in ARR was driven by multiple products and was again bolstered by strong net retention rates just under 101%. In the past, we've talked about our R&D investments, our focus on customer success and the strength and stability of customer demand for our products. We believe our Q3 net retention rates reflect a healthy mix of all these factors. In addition to our solid ARR performance for the quarter, revenue for the quarter of $176 million was at the high end of the Q3 guidance range we provided back in June and represents approximately 15% growth on a year-over-year basis.

Our strong revenue performance in the quarter was driven by multiple products, including OpenEdge, which continues to perform ahead of our expectations. On a year-over-year basis, our revenue growth was driven by the addition of MarkLogic and stability in the rest of our business, which again this quarter showed slight growth on a year-over-year basis.

Turning now to expenses. Our total costs and operating expenses were $107 million for the quarter, an increase of $14 million compared to Q3 of 2022. The year-over-year increase was driven entirely by the addition of MarkLogic to our business. Operating income was $68 million for the quarter, up $8 million compared to the year ago quarter, and our operating margin was 39%, the same as in the year ago quarter. On the bottom line, our earnings per share of $1.08 for the quarter were $0.06 above the high end of our guidance range. This overperformance relative to our expectations was driven by strong top line performance, coupled with solid cost management across the business.

Our outlook for the MarkLogic integration remains unchanged, and we continue to expect that we'll achieve all our synergy targets by the end of this fiscal year. Moving on to a few balance sheet and cash flow metrics. We ended the quarter with cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments of $138 million and debt of $763 million for a net debt position of $625 million. This represents net leverage of approximately 2.3x using our forecasted fiscal year 2023 adjusted EBITDA. I'd also like to mention that during the third quarter, we paid down $30 million against the revolving line of credit that we used to partially fund the acquisition of MarkLogic, bringing the outstanding balance on our revolving line of credit to $140 million at the end of the quarter.

Our DSO for the quarter was 49 days or approximately flat compared to the year ago quarter. Deferred revenue was $280 million at the end of the third quarter, down slightly from the second quarter, reflecting normal seasonality in our business. Adjusted free cash flow was $48 million for the quarter, an increase of over $8 million or 21% from the year ago quarter. During the third quarter, we did not repurchase any shares of Progress stock. So at the end of Q3, we had $198 million remaining under our current share repurchase authorization.

Okay. Now I'll turn to our outlook. Despite news of a more challenging macro environment, we continue to see strength in the demand for our solutions. With that, starting with the full year 2023, we are increasing our revenue guidance by $1 million at the midpoint and expect revenue to be between $692 million and $698 million. We're maintaining our outlook for operating margin for the year of approximately 38% to 39%, we're maintaining our outlook for adjusted free cash flow and are tightening the range to be between $177 million and $183 million, and we are increasing our outlook for earnings per share to be between $4.20 and $4.26, an increase of $0.03 at the midpoint.

Our guidance for full year EPS assumes a tax rate of approximately 20% and approximately 45 million shares outstanding. For the fourth quarter of 2023, we expect revenue between $171 million and $177 million, and earnings per share of between $0.87 and $0.93.

In closing, we're excited to deliver another strong quarter of financial results across the board, a continuation of the trend that we saw for much of 2022 and the first half of 2023. We're thrilled to see the MarkLogic integration progressing and we believe we're on track to deliver a strong Q4 and position ourselves well for our fiscal 2024.

With that, I'd like to open the call for questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from the line of Ray McDonough with Guggenheim Securities.

[Raymond McDonough, analyst]

Maybe Yogesh for you. Given the nature of solutions that you guys provide -- the Progress provides, it's not surprising that OpenEdge has exhibited strength throughout the weak macro environment, but it seems like the whole business, as you highlighted, has been stable. And MarkLogic, again, it makes sense, some of the other products make sense. But is there any area of your portfolio where you're actually seeing a macro-related impact? And if so, how might that be manifesting? And how should we think about the difference in buying behavior, maybe between some of your more stable installed bases?

[Yogesh Gupta, executive]

Ray. Thanks, good question. It's -- we're actually not seeing challenges in any aspect of our business, on the product lines, to be honest. We are hearing from our field organization that they're noticing that large projects that maybe customers were looking at, they might be looking at them more closely. But really, from our perspective, our business continues to be strong. We're seeing strength across the board. And that is really delightful and wonderful to see.

As you know, Ray, right, our products are truly about making organizations more effective, more efficient, run their business better, they underpin mission-critical environments. So it just -- it is a wonderful business to be in. And I think the strength of the Progress business comes through in our results.

[Raymond McDonough, analyst]

That all makes sense. And I guess you were pretty clear, Yogesh, that you're kind of on the hunt for your next acquisition or your next target. If we kind of think through the size of targets or the size of an acquisition that you might be willing to do, should we be thinking that there's probably room to do a larger acquisition, maybe like MarkLogic or a couple of more smaller acquisitions? I guess the question is, how should we be thinking about the size of future acquisitions? And then in the light of the increasing cost of capital, just with interest rates rising, how do you think about the hurdle rate for a future acquisition in terms of the returns? I know you guys are very focused on return on invested capital. So I'm assuming your weighted average cost of capital is changing a little bit as interest rates rise. But just wondering how you're thinking about those 2 things together?

[Yogesh Gupta, executive]

Absolutely. Happy to answer those. And maybe Anthony can help with the second part of the -- second aspect of the question with respect to hurdle rates. On the first part, Ray, as we have said, right, we -- our ideal sweet spot is to buy companies that are, let's say, in the 10% to 20%, 25% of our revenue size, right? And that goes up every time we buy another company because our overall -- our base goes up, right? So our goal is, over the long haul is to double the business in 5 years. And so effectively, we might find a business that is 10% in which case, we might find 2 of them or maybe even slightly less than 10%, and we might find 2 of them. We might find something that is closer to 20% or even 25%.

Some of it is -- in fact, a lot of it depends on what comes to market, right? So the size of assets coming to market often range from even sub-$50 million, which we look at sometimes not as much as we used to, given our current size. But really the $50 million to $150 million right now is our sweet spot so -- in terms of revenue of the target. But that doesn't mean that we don't look at somewhat smaller, that doesn't mean that we don't look at somewhat bigger. The goal there, Ray, is more operational rather than the financial side from my perspective. Can we bring in a business and integrate it easily? Can we do it in a way that our culture survives? Can we do it in a way that people realize that we're going to do things the Progress way going forward, which becomes really hard if you do like whatever it's called merger of equals or some nonsense like that. So to me, acquisitions, from my perspective, like there has to be some go-forward plan that has been consistent before and continues to be consistent going forward. So that's the rationale for the size limitation.

Anthony, do you want to speak to financing constraints or return of investment?

[Anthony Folger, executive]

Yes, sure. In terms of the hurdle rate, yes, as interest rates continue to move up, it will affect our weighted average cost of capital a little bit and it has. But I think our WACC has stayed reasonably in check probably 8.5%, somewhere in that range. And I think we've been able to hit deals from a return perspective, probably in double digits over the past several years. So it certainly -- it pushes the envelope a bit and I think as rates go up, the math will tell you that multiples are going to need to come down a little bit. And that's the way our models work and probably a lot of other folks as well. So yes, I think the hurdle rates or the return rates may creep up, and I think they're going to need to creep up as long as rates stay high, and it looks like that's where they're staying.

[Operator]

And that will come from the line of Pinjalim Bora with JPMorgan.

[Rachit Agrawal, analyst]

This is Rachit on for Pinjalim. Can you help us understand the gross retention dynamics in the quarter?

[Yogesh Gupta, executive]

Sorry, were you asking about gross retention dynamics in what?

[Rachit Agrawal, analyst]

In the quarter -- in Q3.

[Yogesh Gupta, executive]

In the quarter? Yes. So the overall gross retention of our products has been strong and continued to stay strong. There was no real difference between the gross retention in Q3 versus Q2 or Q1. We continue to see strong gross retention because without that, it would be tough to have net retention above 100%, right? As I've said many times, on many of these calls, right, our target is to sustain 100-plus percent net retention rates. And to do that, we need really solid gross retention rate. So we've had solid gross retention rates this quarter as well, no real news there, to be honest.

[Operator]

And that will come from the line of Brent Thill with Jefferies.

[Antonio Venturim, analyst]

Awesome. It's Antonio Venturim for Brent Thill. I had a quick question on head count on both the operational side and maybe the product development side. Can you just provide us with any color on plans for head count growth this year and sort of where you've been focusing your investments in? And then on the product side, are there any particular ones you want to call out in terms of having a disproportionate amount of engineering our resources?

[Yogesh Gupta, executive]

Sure. So a couple of things, right? We -- our head count this year, of course, went up when we acquired MarkLogic, right? I mean that was an acquisition. They came with a bunch of employees. We didn't, of course, bring everybody on board, but a significant number of employees joining Progress because of the MarkLogic acquisition. In general, our head count is flat, and we are not really hiring aggressively except for replacing people that turn over, right? Fundamentally, we keep our head count approximately flat.

And Anthony, if you want, feel free to add to that. I don't think that from a product investment perspective in the R&D side and engineering side, we were a lean organization overall and one of the ways we sustain the retention of our customers, whether it is gross retention as well as net retention, which is really remarkable, is by investing in the products so that the products continue to get better, continue to stay competitive and stay relevant. And we don't -- but we're very, very careful, right?

We -- it isn't as though we've got people sitting around and the engineering team not doing real productive work that is helping move the needle on our retention and expansion efforts as well as winning some new customers. So it is all -- we measure it. We track it. We measure performance. And so we are continuing to invest appropriately for the profiles of those businesses. And just a little bit more color on that.

Some people say, well, what percentage of revenue you might invest on a particular product, right? It is a combination of things. If it's a very large revenue number, right, the percentage revenue invested in the engineering side on the product is less because of a larger denominator. But -- so the question really is what work do we need to do to keep our products competitive in the market to make sure that they continue to be relevant, to make sure that our customers are happy and that's what drives our engineering investment.

[Antonio Venturim, analyst]

Awesome. Great. And then maybe just a quick follow-up. I think you sort of alluded to it, but can you drill down on the go-to-market strategy with MarkLogic and how you're approaching that? And sort of what the realignment of the go-to-market looks like?

[Yogesh Gupta, executive]

Sure. So we -- as you might be aware, we have had a very strong internally portfolio of a relational database and data integration technologies between OpenEdge and DataDirect, right? And these -- these 2 products are a significant part of our business in terms of revenue. And MarkLogic is a no SQL database. So it complements our OpenEdge database, and some of our product does semantic analysis of data across all types of data. And so really, the go-to-market is to bring -- efforts have been to bring together these go-to-market organizations.

So they are one organization now for all of our data platform business. So our application and data platform business, which is -- which includes these products, it's all one and together. It's completely integrated. It's under one general manager and so that makes for opportunities to potentially, if something arises to take products in from one portfolio to another, but it also means that we have strong relationships and relationship management skills and progress, and we bring those to bear in terms of retention and expansion skills as well.

So I hope that answers your question. It is now combined with our application and data management go-to-market efforts.

[Operator]

I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I'll turn the call back over to Mr. Yogesh Gupta for any closing remarks. Actually, we did have a question come from Ittai Kidron with Oppenheimer.

[Ittai Kidron, analyst]

3 questions from me, Yogesh. First of all, can you comment on MOVEit in a little bit more detail, more specifically -- it seems like the impact of this continues to be unraveled almost on a weekly basis here. How many customers have already got off the platform? How many do you think more might be coming. And is there -- I'm trying to think about the liability exposure here. Is there anything that can come back to you because of this? And is there -- do you have cyber insurance because -- for that? I don't know if I'm asking the right questions, but I'm trying to really understand more -- the lasting impact of this on your business?

[Yogesh Gupta, executive]

So, Lee, sorry, Ittai, thanks for your questions. Ittai, I will try to answer as many of these as I can. As you know, we do have an ongoing investigation, we do have ongoing legal efforts around this. So most of communication happens through our filings. But let me share some of the things that you were asking. So from the perspective of our customers, actually, our customers have been extremely positive about what we've been doing for them, as we mentioned that there was minimal impact on our business in Q3. As you noticed that in Q4 and for the year, right? We are still confident about our outcome. So we're not really seeing what I would [indiscernible] from our customers at this point.

As far as litigation expense, it is way too early to try to do any kind of an estimate as to what it would be. I think we had shared that we have cyber insurance to the tune of $15 million. That's 15. And we report -- I mean, we reported in our press release -- basically sort of the approximate expense in this area, and we will continue to report that and in our 10-Qs. And we just don't know what the future litigation impact might be because it is so early. But in general, customers have been, to be honest, really happy with our response.

[Ittai Kidron, analyst]

Okay. Anthony, a couple of financial questions. First of all, U.S. dollar is making a move. Can you remind us what, if anything, is -- how this influences your financial statements?

[Anthony Folger, executive]

Yes, sure, Ittai. I think we would say that we're north of 70% of our top line, of our billings and revenue were done in dollars. And from an expense perspective, I think we're in the high 60s. And most of the foreign currency billings are sort of -- I would say it's euro or pound or dollars that are closely -- moved closely in concert with those 2. So I think to the extent that the dollar weakens, we may see a little bit of benefit from that. But there's a pretty decent natural hedge built in. So it can move the top line a little bit, but generally speaking, on the margin, we have a reasonable natural hedge in place.

[Ittai Kidron, analyst]

Got it. Okay. And then lastly, on your guidance for the fourth quarter, you haven't really moved it at all. Whatever the upside was in the quarter, you kind of rolled it over into the mix, into your annual guide, and you did not really change your fourth quarter number. And I'm just kind of wondering -- your guide is short for [ consensus ] is, both on the top line and the bottom line. And trying to think with the solid execution that you have with the environment being stable and with the fourth quarter being kind of year-end quarter, why aren't you a bit more upbeat and willing to commit to a higher set of numbers?

[Anthony Folger, executive]

Yes. No, I think we're pretty upbeat, Ittai. I think revenue is up $1 million at the mid and I think EPS is up $0.03 at the mid. And that's been a pretty consistent theme each quarter this year. So I think we feel pretty good in terms of the demand environment, in terms of our ability to manage costs, in terms of the integration of MarkLogic. And so we felt like going into Q4, taking numbers up a little bit was a pretty positive sign and not sure what others are doing out there in this market. But certainly taking numbers up into Q4 felt like a pretty positive thing to do. And to the extent we can over perform those numbers, I think even better.

[Operator]

And as I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I'll turn the call back over to Mr. Yogesh Gupta for any closing remarks.

[Yogesh Gupta, executive]

Well, thank you, Sheri, and thanks again, everyone, for joining us. We look forward to talking to you again soon. Have a good night.

[Operator]

Thank you all for participating. This concludes today's program. You may now disconnect.

[Michael Micciche, executive]

Thank you, Sheri.