One Stop Systems Inc

NASDAQ:OSS

Earnings Call Transcript 2024-Q3

[Operator]

Good day, and welcome to the One Stop Systems Third Quarter 2024 Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded.

As part of the discussion today, the representatives from OSS will be making certain forward-looking statements regarding the company's future financial and operating results as well as their business plans, objectives and expectations. These statements are based on the company's current beliefs and expectations and should not be regarded as a representation by OSS that any of its plans or expectations will be achieved.

Please be advised that these forward-looking statements are covered under the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and that OSS desires to avail itself of protections of the safe harbor for these statements. Please be advised that actual results could differ materially from those stated or implied by the forward-looking statements due to certain risks and uncertainties and including those described in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K, subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and recent press releases.

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It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to OSS President and CEO, Mr. Mike Knowles. Please go ahead, sir.

[Michael Knowles, executive]

Thank you, Vincent. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. The growth strategies we are pursuing to take advantage of large, high-growth and higher-margin market opportunities that are taking hold, and positive momentum is growing within our OSS segment. Higher OSS segment revenue helped offset continued softness in our Bressner segment, which remained impacted by sluggish economic activity in the European market. .

With year-to-date orders well in excess of revenue in our OSS segment, we believe that we are well positioned for sustainable revenue growth. We remain focused on converting our $1 billion-plus pipeline to sales and pursuing a greater number of customer-funded development projects. Highlights for the 2024 third quarter include positive OSS segment orders that have outpaced quarterly revenue in 4 of the 5 last quarters. Continued sequential revenue growth on a consolidated basis, expanded customer-funded development revenue, year-over-year OSS segment revenue growth of 17.5%.

Gross margin in our OSS segment of 43.2%, excluding the impact of a $6.1 million inventory charge. Operating cash flow of over $900,000 and a return to adjusted EBITDA profitability after backing out the inventory charge. We believe these favorable trends are positioning OSS for continued sequential revenue growth throughout the remainder of 2024 and setting the stage for a transformative 2025.

As we discussed in this morning's press release, during the third quarter, we identified obsolete and slow-moving inventory associated with the transition of the company's business model and operating strategies as well as slower adoption and movement in certain commercial and defense edge compute markets. As a result, we took a charge of $6.1 million, which reduced reported gross margin, net income and adjusted EBITDA for the 3- and 9-month periods ended September 30, 2024.

This charge had limited impact on our cash position. And during the third quarter, we generated positive cash from operating activities, further supporting our strong balance sheet. We do not currently foresee any further inventory changes outside of historical trends. With this inventory adjustment now behind us, I'm encouraged by the improvement in OSS segment profitability during the quarter, reflecting our strategic focus on pursuing higher-margin revenue opportunities in commercial and defense markets.

As we have discussed on prior calls, throughout 2024, we are focusing on 2 important objectives to take advantage of favorable market dynamics and the healthy pipeline we developed last year. First, we are focused on converting our pipeline to orders in our OSS segment. And second, we are pursuing customer-funded development opportunities that we will believe establish OSS as an incumbent on platforms driving future multiyear production contracts. Across our global defense and commercial markets, customers are looking for technology partners like OSS to support their expanding needs for rugged enterprise-class compute solutions.

Driving these trends are the emerging requirements for artificial intelligence, machine learning, autonomy and sensor processing at the edge. The company's best-in-class hardware and software platforms bring the latest data center performance to harsh and challenging applications that we believe will allow OSS to take advantage of current and future demand trends.

Our underlying performance during the third quarter and 9 months of the year is aligned with our plan. We continue to believe 2024 is creating a strong foundation for sustainable year-over-year revenue growth and a return to profitability in 2025. Even as we navigate continued economic uncertainty in our European markets in 2024 with an expected recovery in 2025. So with this overview, let's look at the progress we made during the third quarter in more detail, starting with our efforts to convert our pipeline to orders.

Our 5-year unfactored pipeline at the end of the third quarter remained over $1 billion. Approximately 70% of our current pipeline is comprised of platform and multiyear opportunities, which we believe will help drive predictable multiyear revenue and backlog to OSS. I'm pleased with the growth and transformation of our pipeline, reflecting the positive contribution of our sales organization, the strategic investments we are making in product development and the growing demand for our hardware and software platforms.

Within our current pipeline, there are several multimillion dollar and multiyear business opportunities that we are pursuing that we are expecting to close in the coming quarters. As we continue pursuing opportunities to grow our pipeline, our operating plan in 2024 remains focused on increasing orders within our OSS segment. For the 2024 third quarter, we saw orders outpace revenue by 25% and for the third quarter in a row. Our order growth over the past 3 months was driven by existing customers in the air and maritime C5 ISR defense markets.

In addition, we had new customer awards in the Army Air C5 ISR market and commercial composable infrastructure market. We expect many of these new engagements will evolve into multiyear follow-on revenue opportunities in future periods. Interest from companies in the commercial composable infrastructure market is growing as data center customers look for faster solutions to support AI, ML and high-performance compute, visualization and data science applications. We believe our leading PCIe capabilities are well positioned to support this rapidly growing market segment and expect to announce a new multimillion dollar order in the coming weeks.

The second important objective we are pursuing this year is focused on growing our presence on customer-funded development programs. During 2024, we started to disclose separate revenue and cost lines in our financial results associated with customer-funded development projects to show our potential and track new wins. We have defined program-related development work as customer-funded development on our financial statements. Through customer-funded development programs, we are typically providing a more integrated solution compared to the company's historic offerings. In addition, it establishes OSS as a platform incumbent on what is almost always a follow-on production and multiyear support contract at even greater profit margins. As a result, we expect our business model to benefit from a higher mix of annual recurring revenue and contracted multiyear backlogs in the future.

Development relationships are expected to take 1 to 2 years before leading to production orders, so as our business scales, we expect to benefit from steady quarter-over-quarter revenue growth while building a solid foundation of potential large-scale program opportunities. I'm pleased to report that the year-to-date customer funded development revenue increased to $2.8 million compared to $877,000 for the same period last year. This growth has been driven principally by the strategies we are pursuing to grow customer-funded development revenue as well as expansion of an existing relationship with a commercial aerospace customer for the feeling of a new product and follow-on production.

As expected, we are seeing increased entries from customers to support their development programs, and we have multiple proposals currently submitted. As a result, we believe we will continue to experience strong year-over-year customer-funded development revenue growth throughout the remainder of 2024 and into 2025.

We also have expanded our product development efforts this year and currently have 5 product efforts under development in the OSS segment focused on edge computing for both defense and commercial applications. We expect to announce and demonstrate these products before the end of the year and throughout the first half of 2025. As you may have seen this morning, John Morrison has announced his retirement from OSS as CFO. I I want to thank John for his commitment and dedication to OSS. John has played a key role in developing our business strategies and ensuring long-term financial excellence. On behalf of everyone at OSS, I wish John the best in his retirement.

As part of this transition, I am pleased to welcome Daniel Gabel to the company. Daniel is a proven CFO that has led high-performing financial and accounting teams at some of the world's top defense contractors, including Case and Raytheon. Throughout his career, Daniel has leveraged his industry knowledge and strategic skill set to improve performance and drive financial excellence while ensuring strong leadership and financial controls. Since joining the company as President and CEO in May of 2023, I have focused on assembling a team of proven leaders with experience managing large, fast-growing and dynamic organization. During the quarter, we also hired Fabrizio Sardo, who brings manufacturing, operations and strategic experience at leading industrial and defense companies, including C-scan, Thermo Fisher Scientific and Raytheon as our new VP of Operations. Over the past 18 months, we have assembled a new leadership team that is aligned with the growth strategies we are pursuing across large, high-growth and high-margin commercial and defense markets. We have also refined our Board of Directors to align with our strategic direction and 4 of our 7 current directors have been added since September of 2023.

I'm confident that our enhanced leadership team and [indiscernible] Board of Directors as a skill set, experience and drive to take OSS to the next level.

With our new leadership team now in place, we plan to update investors on our new strategic growth plan and long-term guidance in the first half of 2025. As a result of John's retirement announcement this morning, I'll quickly go through the third quarter financials. For the third quarter, we reported consolidated revenue of $13.7 million, which exceeded our guidance of $13.3 million. The slight year-over-year decrease in consolidated revenue was a result of a $1 million reduction in Bressner revenue associated with slower economic activity in Europe, offset by a $1 million year-over-year increase in OSS segment revenue.

As I mentioned earlier, during the third quarter ended September 30, 2024, we took a $6.1 million inventory charge which reduced reported gross margin, increased net loss and reduced adjusted EBITDA for the 3- and 9-month periods ended September 30, 2024. Consolidated gross margin percentage was negative 12.5% compared to 26.6% the year -- prior year quarter. Gross margin, excluding the $6.1 million inventory charge was 32%, up from 26.6% in the same period last year.

On a segment basis, gross margin for the company's OSS segment was negative 51.2% and compared to 32.4% for the same period of a year ago. OSS segment gross margin, excluding the inventory charge, was 43.2%, a 10.8 percentage point increase from the same period last year, driven by revenue growth and a more profitable mix of revenue. The company's Bressner segment had a gross margin percentage of 22%, a 0.6 percentage point decrease from the same period last year, driven by a less profitable mix of revenue and an additional inventory reserve.

Total third quarter operating expenses decreased 34.3% to $5 million, which is attributable to both to a $2.9 million impairment of goodwill that occurred in the third quarter of 2023, partially offset by planned program management investments made during the quarter. For the third quarter, the company reported a GAAP net loss of $6.8 million or $0.32 per share compared to a net loss of $3.6 million or $0.18 per share in the prior year. The company reported a non-GAAP net loss of $6.4 million or $0.30 per share compared to a non-GAAP net loss of $597,000 or $0.03 per share.

The 2024 third quarter net loss and non-GAAP net loss included a $6 million inventory charge. Adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP metric, was a loss of $6 million, which included a $6 million inventory charge compared to an adjusted EBITDA loss of $157,000 in the prior year third quarter. Looking at the balance sheet in more detail. As of September 30, 2024, OSS had total cash and short-term investments of $12.6 million. No borrowing outstanding on its $2 million revolving line of credit and a consolidated balance outstanding on its term loans of $1.1 million. For the 9 months ended September 30, 2024, OSS generated $2.1 million in cash from operating activities compared to $2.2 million or $200,000 for the 9 months ended September 30, 2023.

As we look at the remainder of 2024, I'm excited by the direction we are headed. We continue to execute against our near-term transformation plan as we focus on driving orders, building backlog, growing revenue and improving profitability. While the timing of orders will remain a factor as we get to scale, I'm confident that we are building a strong foundation to achieve our long-term growth objectives. I want to thank our team for their continued hard work and dedication as we pursue compelling growth strategies aimed at building a greater value for our shareholders. Looking forward, we anticipate consolidated revenue of approximately $15 million in the fourth quarter of 2024.

Our guidance for the fourth quarter of 2024 includes expected OSS segment revenue of $7 million, representing over 9% year-over-year growth. In our Bressner segment, we expect revenue of $8 million, expected growth of 17% in Bressner for the fourth quarter of 2024 is primarily driven by an easier year-over-year comparison as the fourth quarter last year was particularly challenging. Overall, I'm encouraged by the direction we are headed, and I believe our leading enterprise-class compute solutions, strong balance sheet and committed team are well positioned to take advantage of positive fundamentals across global markets and create long-term value for our shareholders.

This completes my prepared remarks. Vincent, please open up the call to questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions]

First question comes from the line of Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners.

[Brian Kinstlinger, analyst]

Great. Congrats on the continued success in bookings and John [indiscernible] has been great working with you. My first question is you had 3 consecutive quarters of improving bookings and book-to-bill above 1 in core OSS. What's driving the strengthening trends? And how much of this is government versus commercial?

[David Williams, analyst]

Brian, thanks for the question. Yes, we continue to be positive on the growing book-to-bill ratios and the bookings over revenue in the OSS segment over the past few quarters. We're really seeing it driven both defense and commercial markets. Some of the pickup that we're starting to see now has really been the effect of the broadening of the scope of reach of the company since I joined almost 18 months ago when we brought on the new VP of Sales and Business Development, Robert Kalebaugh.

So as we extended our reach in the defense markets, and started to position our products and solutions and respond to more available request for information or request for proposals, that time frame to move through those acquisition processes is now to the point where prework has turned into responses is turning into the point where now we're able to start receiving orders based on those actions.

In addition, we've continued our outreach on the commercial side and in similar fashion, just the broader outreach and application. And then I just go to the general underlying trend in the markets today around autonomy, artificial intelligence and machine learning. We've seen just a general pickup in the adoption of those technologies and integration of them and the need for the enterprise compute to deliver on the processing for those capabilities.

[Brian Kinstlinger, analyst]

And just ballpark, is government as a percentage of the first 9 months of bookings, 75%? Is it 50-50? Just ball parking, not giving us exact numbers.

[Jim Ison, executive]

Yes. I would say, ballpark, we're probably around 55%, 60% defense to commercial. .

[Brian Kinstlinger, analyst]

Great. And then -- are you continuing to see those trends in the fourth quarter? Is there any seasonality? And with the change in administration, is there any impact, positive or negative on business development with the federal government?

[Unknown Executive]

Yes. We would expect to see the same kind of themes in our bookings plan as we go through Q4. We're always at the behest of government timing and processing time frames. There are 2 big holidays in the fourth quarter. So we generally try to push on those actions to move orders in to be not affected by the holidays. Some slight seasonality more so on the government side throughout the holidays and the beginning of the new year. But we've generally planned for those in our assessment of timing bookings, though at times, we can be surprised at how long processing can sometimes take on contract awards. .

The interesting thing about the company, if you're talking about the administration change that will be occurring is in general, the markets that we've seen in defense and commercial have generally been a little bit impervious to administrative or even on the OSS segment, some of the economic impacts. And it's in part because of the demand for autonomy, the increase in the market and for AIML. So we've been able to weather some storms and be able to find some bookings and continue to drive the performance despite those. But overall, in general, I don't think the administration change will have -- should have a big impact. If anything, I would think it might be more on the positive side with potentially a greater focus on defense under the new administration.

[Michael Knowles, executive]

I would also add, maybe we won't have CRs if we have a full Republican ticket across the board. .

[Unknown Executive]

And a small point that you bring up. If control of the house and the cent rolls through any CR that we wouldn't have or a short CR would clearly have a positive effect on our business because any new starts would be allowed funding and procurement placement faster. So that would help with the timing of bookings and programs. some of which we have bids in the market already. So that would be a positive thing if the current control across the house and Senate and presidency would allow for a shorter CR.

[Brian Kinstlinger, analyst]

2 more for me. The first one is you quantified $1 billion pipeline a couple of times in the last few quarters. Can you quantify at least roughly what the addressable percentage of that is in 2025? And -- is it breakdown similar to your bookings, 55% to 60% government?

[David Williams, analyst]

Yes, I would say if we took the 5-year pipeline in total, it's around that same percentage. We're in that 50-50, plus or minus 5% to 10% in any direction in any given year or a total as we modify it and we continue processing our pipeline. And then -- is it generally breaks out over the years. 2025 will be probably close to 1/5 of that maybe in unfactored. So that will have to ability to process against that in a factored approach. And the large element of our pipeline is really all addressable to us. .

As I'd mentioned in earlier calls, the probability weightings we put for the probability that the opportunity will happen and the probability that we win helps us prioritize those elements in the pipeline to assign our resources effectively to drive those bookings in backlog.

[Brian Kinstlinger, analyst]

Great. One last for me, and then I'll get back in the queue. You touched on the gross margin was abnormally high in the OSS segment. You said due to mix and a focus on higher margin. However, low-margin customer funded development was abnormally high as well. So can you give us some more detail on this? And based on your bookings, what type of gross margin is reasonable to assume for investors over the next 18 months for just core segment?

[Unknown Executive]

Yes. So in the quarter, we generally saw a stronger mix of product development on some higher margins and our server and our storage systems, we saw a product mix that carried a higher gross margin. So that we had a fairly large amount of those orders in the quarter, which is, as you just noted, good for gross margin. On the customer funded development. Depending on the implementation of that, we can reach a normal company margins. Oftentimes, it's a little bit less as we secure an incumbent position. So over time, a good way to look at those customer development programs is as we build the development into what is almost always a production and then support over the lifetime of that product. .

If you take that as a business case, the net of that will be eventually overcome by our product deliveries at our normal margins on the production end. And as a business case there as a whole, those efforts achieve our gross margin. So the early development, customer fund development that we're seeing now and growing is really setting the stage for the longer run production contracts. So example as our PA program. We've been on that program for well over 5 years, started with some early development and we have been in production support and tech refresh over the last 3 to 4 years in that program and are contracted to continue to support that for another 5 years. So those are the kinds of programs that our early customer front and the development is leading up to.

Our expectation in the OSS segment is that in the next 18 months or so, we should be able to continue to drive up to the 35% or better gross margin area as we start to balance out the products and the customer-funded development as they grow in volume.

[Operator]

Next question comes from Scott Searle with ROTH Capital Partners.

[Scott Searle, analyst]

Mike, maybe to quickly follow up on the prior gross margin questions. Just wanted to get some clarification. The 43% OSS is net of the customer-funded development, which is running more in the 20% range. Is that correct? Just want to get calibrated on that front.

[Unknown Executive]

Yes. Yes. The 43% would include the margin -- gross margin on the customer development work we've done to date.

[Scott Searle, analyst]

Got you. And then the blended gross margin you're talking about overall is about -- can't get to 35%, depending on mix as we start to get a little bit more, I'll call it, upscale contribution from customer funded and some better contracts like you saw in the current quarter with OSS. Is that correct?

[Jim Ison, executive]

Yes. .

[Scott Searle, analyst]

Okay. Very good. So maybe a follow-up then on the customer-funded development front, I think you talked about a conversion time line to production of 1 to 2 years. Is there a rule of thumb to be thinking about the multiplier effect I think you said about $900,000 in '23 of customer-funded development. As we start to get into '25, what does that really convert into in a fully commercialized setting? Like what's the revenue run rate we should think about that on a dollar-for-dollar basis? Is it $3 per year, $5 per year? Is it a fraction of that? Just trying to get calibrated in terms of how to mathematically extrapolate that.

[Jim Ison, executive]

Scott, you're talking about how to extrapolate the customer-funded development dollars that would be contracted.

[Scott Searle, analyst]

Yes, exactly. Once they're into production, what should we be thinking about an annualized contribution basis for each one of those. And I'm sure it's kind of a wide range, but just trying to understand a little bit of what that translates into.

[Jim Ison, executive]

Yes. It really is a wide range. And generally, on average, those product development cycles 1 to 2 years, depending on the size, if it's a brand-new start or a large system solution, that's your kind of your year, 1.5 years, 2-year development cycle, usually followed by an LRIP or a low rate initial production period, but usually about a year and then a full rate production period that depending on the quantity could run an additional 2 to 3 years. And then you generally look at a tech refresh cycle every 2 to 3 years after that and sustainment and support through the whole time. .

Depending again on the -- that could be shorter time frames on the development, if it's less scope of development. And then really, the back end of production, how much and how long that goes compared to the development is really tied more to the number of platforms that are available. So if it's an aircraft solution, what are the number of aircraft inventory. If it's a vehicle solution, what are the number of vehicles in inventory. And in that case, right, that those amounts can spread out over the years.

As a general general rule of thumb, usually development amount is in the order of 10% to 20% of a whole program as it rolls through LRIP and production. And then after that, right, is just additional tech refresh and logistics support oftentimes for a decade or more on the platform.

[Scott Searle, analyst]

Got you. Very helpful. And maybe just to dive in on the pipeline. I know it's a big number. It sounds like maybe there's a [indiscernible] of that that's addressable then on an annualized basis. What is getting you guys to the table and positioning you for the win. There are a lot of different core capabilities that you guys have and even bringing [indiscernible] to bear now in these applications, whether it's autonomy, AI, ML -- but where are you guys really excelling in terms of what's getting into the table and what's going to get you across the finish line with a win?

[Unknown Executive]

Yes. Great question, Scott. So at the top level, really, what's driving it is a lot of the architectures in commercial and defense applications today where they're trying to run artificial intelligence or autonomy, basically AI algorithms, if I simplify it, are using an embedded technology that's derived in a architecture form factor that is really limited to running 1 to 2 AI algorithms in a given volume, say, on a given card or in a given chassis. And what we've seen in the last 2 to 3 years, though and coming out even stronger is the demand for artificial intelligence, machine learning. And what we're seeing is on platforms, autonomous trucking or autonomous vehicles or in the defense market, sensor aircraft, is that even given a single 1 or 2 sensors on a platform, we're finding that using more and more AI algorithms or inferences can pull more information and data out of those sensors, fuse it in a more effective manner and drive implementation to autonomy or sensor and defense applications. .

What that means is customers are trying to put more AI inferences on the same computing solution inside their platform. And instead of running 1 to 2 AI algorithms, they want to run 10 to 12 or 13 to 15 and you can't do that with the current embedded technology today. What we offer through the enterprise class computing for what we're taking out of the data centers is the ability in that same volume and essentially at the same price point is the ability to do 20 to 25 AI algorithms in that same volume and that gives massive potential for growth and capability inside those applications.

And then second to that is our ability and how we use our backplane and fabrics that tie together the compute inside of a chassis or a solution through PCI Express and some other technologies, we're able to perform that generally close to 1,000x less latency or faster than those current solutions. So generally, what's bringing us to table is the ability at similar prices to give significant performance advantage and AI and autonomy applications to customers. And we're generally competing against the new capability versus old architectures and solutions. And that's what's been our positioning and what has been driving the increased interest in the company and why we're starting to see the early returns on the bookings over revenue.

[Scott Searle, analyst]

Great. Very helpful. And lastly, if I could, then taking that and shifting the outlook to 2025 Bressner has had some headwinds, I think, just general macroeconomic softness in Europe, but it seems like that OSS pipeline and your book-to-bill this year sounds like it's north of 1.2% over the last 3 quarters. What does that translate into kind of the range of outcomes in 2025, you're talking about growth, but could you help us frame what you're thinking about in the early going now for 20 to 25 and the swing factors to the upside or the downside?

[Unknown Executive]

Yes, Scott. No, I appreciate that. And yes, with the last 3 quarters running kind of on the OSS segment, a book-to-bill ratio of around 1.25. We anticipate that will carry into 2025. So on the OSS side, we're contemplating revenue growth on that order of 25%. We're starting to see slowly, slowly some initial indicators that may be some economic turnaround in Europe and Germany. So on the Bressner segment, that turnaround will take a while to capture if it emerges as we hope or some economists are predicting because the supply chains will have to catch up to it.

And the supply chains are in the in the 6- to 12-week range. So it will likely be more into Q2, Q3 before I think we would start to see that, but we've got some optimistic views on Bressner that we could have that Bressner segment back on the growth scale, maybe in the upper single digits. So 2025, we're really looking to see that turn. We'll probably see some seasonality maybe early in Q1 as the U.S. defense markets roll out of the holidays that's generally a little bit slow period. And then we've got the Chinese New Year and some others, seasonally a little bit lower quarter for Bressner, but as we back into Q2, Q3 and Q4 is where I think we would start to see the impact of these book-to-bill ratios and the performance here at the end of the year.

[Operator]

Next question comes from Eric Martinuzzi with Lake Street.

[Eric Martinuzzi, analyst]

I wanted to follow up on the Bressner question, just to ask just to put a finer point on -- so the expectation here is that we could potentially anticipate growth in Bressner segment as soon as Q2. Is that correct?

[Unknown Executive]

Yes. We're looking at a rebound for Bressner in 2025, likely to see that around the Q2 time frame at the earliest, as some of these factors, if they can continue to hold in the European economy and then that can convert into delivery of supply chain, then we could start to see some stuff potentially as early as Q2.

[Eric Martinuzzi, analyst]

Okay. All right. And then just on the guide for Q4, you've got an outlook that anticipates a step-up in revenue here, given the -- that we were kind of net of the inventory adjustment, we were essentially breakeven for the adjusted EBITDA in Q3. Is it fair to assume that we have a step-up in adjusted EBITDA in Q4? Or are there investments expenses that you're planning on in Q4 that might take the wind out of that?

[Unknown Executive]

Yes. Eric. No, no additional investments planned in time in Q4 that I think would have a negative impact on that. .

[Eric Martinuzzi, analyst]

Okay. All right. And then my last -- actually, it's not even a question just comment. I wanted to wish my best to John in his retirement as well, enjoyed working with you, John, and best wishes to Daniel on his new role.

[Jim Ison, executive]

Thanks much for that. .

Okay. Operator, I think with the end of the questions there, we can bring the call to a close.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.