Ohmyhome Ltd

NASDAQ:OMH

Good evening, everyone, and good morning for our investors dialing in from the U.S. Welcome to Ohmyhome Q3 2024 growth updates. Before we start, we would like to quickly go through the important notice and disclaimers. This presentation contains forward-looking statements that reflect our current expectations and view of future events, all of which are subject to risks and uncertainties. If used, the words believe, may, will, estimate, continue, anticipate, intend, expect, and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements give our current expectations or forecast of future events. You can identify these statements by the fact that they do not relate strictly to historical or current facts. These statements are likely to address our growth strategy, financial results and product and development programs. You must carefully consider any such statements and should understand that many factors could cause actual results to differ from our forward-looking statements. These factors may include inaccurate assumptions or a broad variety of other risks and uncertainties, including some that are known and some that are not. No forward-looking statements can be guaranteed, and actual future results may vary materially.

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Hi, everyone. Good day to you. I'm Rhonda Wong, CEO and Co-Founder of Ohmyhome. Thank you very much for joining us today. We founded Ohmyhome in 2016. And that's Race Wong and myself in the image. And we're sisters, born in Malaysia, raised in Singapore. We started Ohmyhome with a background in property transactions and also trading, and we realized that there is a huge market gap where a lot of people who are selling and buying infrequently do not quite have the right knowledge or information when it comes to real estate transactions. And we're very much reliant on real estate agents to provide information.

So we have since become Singapore's largest integrated property transactions and services platform. Many people call us the one-stop shop, which means that aside from buying, selling and renting with Ohmyhome, you can also secure mortgage, legal and services as well as renovation and property management. Our vision is to be the most trusted and comprehensive property solution for everyone. And by everyone, we mean people including those who can't afford services or agent fees, as well as the rest of the market from investors to your daily folks buying and selling for the first time.

In order to achieve scalability and to be able to serve more consumers across the world, we then use technology to bring speed, ease and reliability to property-related services. So we're very happy to share and present our results today. And today's presentation will be led by our Director of Finance, Leo Li.

Thank you, Rhonda. So first off, just a quick overview of our latest cap table. So our ticker symbol is OMH and traded under the NASDAQ Exchange. Our IPO was last year, March 21. And our current share outstanding is at 23 million shares as of the latest of yesterday. And our share price as of yesterday was $0.24 -- USD 0.24. And our last 90-day average trading volume is 135,000 shares per day. Analyst ratings by Maxim and Zacks are sitting at $1.5 and $3, respectively.

On the 6 September 2024, the Founders, which are namely Race and Rhonda Wong, have actually exchanged half of their monthly salaries from January to August 2024 into ordinary shares, and those shares were issued on October 4, 2024. And so this green section here that you see, all the additional shares that are being acquired by the 2 Founders, this has shown that the Founders believe in the business and is committing -- basically is committing -- committed to the business and willing to commit more. Later on, we will share the reason why, and primarily, it's because of the growth of the business that we are seeing.

So we are a property one-stop-shop. And this diagram encapsulates all the businesses that we do. So our customers can come in from every part of their life cycle with regards to property. So let's say, if you're a property potential buyer or a seller, usually, we'll start with the research section where you will look at fee blocks, valuation of the homes and look for guides. And some of those who may be thinking about doing it by themselves with the time and energy to do so, they will do so via our DIY platform with verified listings by homeowners. The majority of our customers actually prefer to have an agent to help them transact their property. And all of our agents are in-house, and then they are also top 1% in Singapore in terms of number of transactions across the entire Singapore. We usually charge around 1% of the property's value as a commission revenue for our brokerage business. To support our brokerage business and also to help our customers close faster, we also work with all the banks to provide mortgage to all of our customers and also work with a panel of trusted law firms to provide legal conveyancing services where we acquire advertisement revenues from them.

And during the process, of course, in Singapore, it is very common for homeowners who just purchased their home to look for renovation. We are also the main contractor in renovation business. That has an in-house interior designers as well as project managers to help design and build their dream homes for our clients. So for this segment, we typically service high-end condominium homeowners, land homeowners as well as office renovation projects.

Lastly, we have the third business unit, which is also a prominent business unit, it's the Property Management business, where we are the managing agents for multiple condominium projects that -- basically, we help them manage all of the common areas and allow the residents to book all of the facilities such as tennis court, such as sauna room, et cetera, et cetera, and we collect property management revenue from them.

A quick recap of our first half of 2023 results in case some of the investors here missed it. So in the first half, we have seen a stellar growth of 106% in terms of revenue. So our revenue grew from SGD 2.17 million to SGD 4.47 million. Our gross profit has almost doubled. And this is mainly due to a margin improvement across all of our businesses. So our brokerage has increased its gross margin from 46% to 49%. Our renovation business has also increased its margin from 23% to 28%. Our property management business has also increased their gross margin from 31% to 33%. We are still incurring a loss, although the loss is narrowing because we are continuing investing in the technology. The loss has been narrowing. So we have seen a net decrease of $220,000 compared to the same period last year.

OpEx remained high in the short term, mainly due to a recent acquisition of the property management business. And we still need some time to optimize the costs that are involved. There's also an increase in amortizing expenses of $440,000 in the first half of 2024 versus only $180,000 as compared to the same period last year. So the operating expenses is expected to reduce significantly from the third quarter onwards, mainly due to a series of cost optimization plans that we have initiated in the second quarter of 2024. So we expect this number to narrow significantly going forward.

In terms of balance sheet-wise, we have also seen an increased improvement in the balance sheet health. So we have seen an increase in assets, decrease in liability, which lead to a net increase in equity. Cash and cash equivalent, we have also rebounded to a healthy number of SGD 2.4 million. And this is mainly due to replacements that we have done in the first quarter of the year to execute our strategy for further growth and breakeven.

So now comes to the important part. We would like to summarize our presentation to 3 main key points. One is that we are a high-growth proptech company. Secondly is that we are a business model that is highly profitable at scale. And thirdly, currently, we are trading at a low valuation multiple as compared to what's happening in the industry.

So with regards to the first point, which is high growth proptech, I'll go into the detailed numbers here. So for the third quarter of 2024, what we are seeing is that for the first 9 months of 2024, what we are seeing is $212 million in terms of the gross transaction value of the homes that we have brokered. And this number has a 51% increase as compared to last year. We have also seen a significant increase in the renovation contract that signed for the first 9 months of 2024. So the contract we have signed so far is $2.43 million. And this is essentially close to 300% of what we see in the same period last year.

And in terms of the units under management by property management business, we have seen a significant growth compared to the 6,700 units that we managed at the end of the year. Now this number has increased to 9,283 units. And this represents a 38% year-over-year increase.

In terms of total property transaction GTV, we are looking at $334 million, which is similar to last year. But out of that, 63% has gone through our agents, as compared to only 42% compared to the same period last year.

So lastly, of course, profitability and maintaining cash balance is always a focus for us. So as of the September 30, 2024, our cash balance sits at $22.1 million. And this actually increased from the last reported figure, which is $1.8 million in June.

For brokerage services, we have seen a steady increase. So in this graph, the orange bar represents the number of transactions that we have done, our Asian team. And the blue line represents the gross transaction value in USD millions. As you can see, both have seen a healthy increase over time. And for the first 9 months of 2024, what we are seeing is a 51% increase in the total GTV. And in terms of the number of transactions, we have seen a 32% increase for the first 9 months of 2024. We have also seen an increase in gross margins. This is primarily due to improved brand awareness that we have in the market and also primarily contributed to the HomerAI launch that we have done in the second half of 2023.

So to recap, for HomerAI, this is actually a one-of-a-kind homeowner-focused platform that streamlines the home selling process. So this is available on both application and mobile. So you can simply just search HomerAI, and this is available currently only for our customers in Singapore. So what you do is that you actually will be able to see accurate valuation of a home that is live as updated by what's happening in the market and also supported by tonnes of guides, data about recent transactions. And also, our service is always just one click away for you to engage us. So this allows us to build a sales pipeline for mid- to high intent sellers and provide us with first access to customers upon their intent to sell. And because of the higher customer lifetime value that we have versus -- we are a single customer acquisition. This allow us for a core focus of user acquisition strategy going forward.

So in terms of the growth of the product on its own, what we are seeing is in the third quarter of 2024, we have seen close to 10,000 homes connected. These are homeowners with their registered address, with their registered phone number that we know exactly who they are and know how to contact them. And by studying their behavior on the platform and how they use our data, we are able to know when to target them -- when we need to target them exactly. So as you can see, this number has increased steadily. And for the GTV that's transacted via homeowner users, this number has also increased steadily over the years.

So this -- total homes connected right now is around 33,000, with over $20 billion of gross merchandise value of the homes connected that's waiting to be transacted. So the transaction that's contributed by HomerAI users now has grown from 0% in the start when we first developed it to close to 20% of the total brokerage that we have done.

We have also been developing new features and products that allow our users to do more. So one of which is that HomerAI users now are able to post their listings directly on the app if they have the intention to do it themselves. And they are able to know the latest valuation, upload their homes, and then we are even able to pre-draft some of the messages for them via AI. And also lastly, able to help them fill in the critical information. So it's just 1 click away.

So why people love us? There are multiple reasons, and most importantly is that we are the future of property transactions. So because of the technology that we have, that we show you just now, there's a HomerAI, and one of which is another one that we have shared in previous presentation, which is MATCH Technology that actively matches the buyers and sellers. We are able to transact 65% of our deals, in 70s on average. And 73% of our properties are sold above market average prices.

And most importantly is that the experience that we give to clients basically help us get the 4.9 star -- or 5-star rating across all of the platforms that you can see out there, including Google and Facebook. These are generally reviews by our customers having used our services and were impressed by our services.

Compared to some of the well-known names out there in the market as the traditional brokerage or the TEB out there, so compared to -- we are much more efficient with the use of technology. So each one of our agents are able to transact 60 to 70 deals a year. So average number last year for us was 63 deals per agent per year. And comparing to all the big names out there, PropNex, ERA, OrangeTee and Huttons Asia, which they do have a large army of agents. But in terms of how many deals each agent do on average, their number hovers around 3 to 4 to 5, which is a typical number that an agent does in the market when they are operating as a freelance model. And for us, because we operate a very close knit and also supported by technology, we are able to close a lot more. Each one of our agents are able to close 3 to 5 deals or even more a month. So what they do in the year usually is what we do in the year -- in the month.

Even comparing to some of the well-known names in the U.S., this same matrix, we are also significantly higher. So Redfin is the only close comparable that we see with some of the leading names out there, including Compass and eXp, who are also hovering around 5 to 7 deals a year.

So the next section, coming to renovation. Our renovation is operating under the name DreamR. We offer premium renovation services as the main contractor to help customers realize the dream home. So customers usually follow 4 simple steps to actualize their dream home. So one is that they can book a consultation with us to share with their vision. And of course, in the process, we translate their vision into ideas into cohesive designs. We also have in-house team of project managers like many companies out there who operates our freelance model, whereby 1 person acting both as sales, as an ID, as well as the project manager, that model usually leads to a lot of cost overruns or a lot of inexperience causing issues with design. But for us, we are a team of professionals that specialize in the field, that's why we're able to manage each and every project so well. So we have a specialized team of project managers to ensure timeliness of delivery and the accuracy of what we are building for the customer.

And lastly, we have a dedicated team to watch over every detail so you will be handed a beautiful home on time. And we are particularly proud that we have been on time over the past 2 years due to our strict control on design, quality, cost and time line.

So for renovation sector, specifically in terms of numbers, in the third quarter of 2023, we have signed close to USD 1.5 million worth of contract. Compared to the same period of last year, we have seen a 400% growth. For the first 9 months combined together compared to the same period last year, the number -- the growth is 286%. So this is mainly due to a focus on higher-value customers and also improved deal flow for the high-end residential and commercial projects that we have taken in.

We have also built interesting tools and features for our customers to pre-generate their ideas and basically help them with mood boarding before they come for consultation. So one of which example is this -- this is the original photo that's on our listing. We are able to use AI to regenerate in the style that we want in HD. So as you can see on the left side, this is what the homeowner takes, and this is what is generated as one of the styles. So on all of our listing page right now, you can actually click on this icon and try it out for yourself. And this is actually a feature for free for everyone to use. This is a tool that -- it's available for everyone to use and try it out.

So this is an example. This listing has been sold. So the listings tend to stay very short life on our shelf because we sell them quite fast. So this is 1 listing. As you can see, you can select in multiple styles. And you can see it beautifully, design in different styles. So all of these are done by AI, and then you can reimagine your home in the way you want it.

So to the next segment, which is Ohmyhome Property Management. This is a segment that is also actively growing. It is a tech-enabled property management company in Singapore with a recurring revenue stream from facility management businesses, which means that it manages the security, the cleaning, the repairs of all of the common facilities, the facade, as well as doing the accounting as well as by law enforcement for the MCSTs, which are the equivalent of homeowner associations in Singapore, but they are for condominium projects. There are high-rise and high-density projects in Singapore.

So currently, we are managing over 30-plus condominium projects. And this amounts to more than 9,000 units that are under their management. So this is an impressive growth just within 3 years of inception. And what it means to the bigger part of the business is that they provide valuable -- sorry, let me just go back and reshare the screen. Okay. There you go. Now it's full screen, easier for everyone to see.

What it means to us is that it actually provides a higher end of customer base for us to target and market to, which provides us with 2x to 4x of what we had in the past in terms of brokerage revenue per sales transaction. In terms of renovation revenue, it is also 2x higher compared to what we had before. And this is a huge customer base for us to nurture and for us to provide our service to. They are also a mobile-based property management service, which -- with 100% paperless workflow. All of the task management, the back-end contractor management documentation all happen at back end. What's happening in the front end for all the home users is that they are able to book all kinds of facilities, they are able to submit all the forms, make payments for various service requests, all of it on the phone. So this allows them to look at our advertisements and look at -- engage all of these services on a day-to-day basis and allow us more chance for conversion.

They are also a company with smart integration capability. They have integrated multiple IoT solutions, including visitor management systems and license plate recognition systems. And this also because of the introduction of technology, they are also allowing their customers which are the MCSTs, the homeowner associations, to reduce costs and improve the staff productivity on site.

So in terms of numbers, the units under management is an indirect indicator of their revenue growth because usually each and every single unit that we manage represents a monthly recurring fee that we are able to collect from individual users. So as you can see, over the past few years, they have been growing steadily from around 3,000 in 2021, to right now, the latest number is hovering over 9,000. This represents a 34% increase compared to the last reported figure in December 2023, which is 6,700 units. This provides us with additional recurring revenue and customer base for our brokerage and renovation services. Around 1,500 units were newly added in October and will contribute to revenue growth in Q4 2024.

So these are some of the projects that have recently been appointed in the third quarter. This is Affinity at Serangoon, which is a huge project that's sitting in the heartland of Singapore. We also have Parc Mondrian, Stirling, Watten Residences and Liiv Residences. As we grow further, we will start to acquire more and more -- all of these condominium projects. And as a matter of fact, we start to encounter many partners and many customers who were happen to be residing in our condominium -- in the condominiums that we manage as well. So as we grow, this will provide additional recurring revenue and customer base for our businesses.

Our 3 key drivers for our short-term -- short to mid-term growth are: firstly, to aggressively grow our top -- to aggressively grow our top funnels by increasing our condo acquisition and unit under management of our property management business; and secondly, increasing B2B partnerships to grow new funnels for customer acquisition. Secondly, we have all of our tools, including HomerAI, as well as MATCH to be able to nurture our clients 24/7. So answering questions probably without increasing headcount. And lastly, and also engaging customers from earlier stages of life cycle so we are able to convert them to become our paying customers. And lastly, we are also -- we are also working to increase the conversion and market share in the condo market by better nurturing via AI to result in higher conversions for our customers. And also to increase our market share in the condo market, this also means that our revenue that comes from the market will be 2x to 4x of what we had in the past when we were focusing on the HDB market.

So the second point of our 3 key highlights for our investment is that our business is actually highly profitable at scale. And this is actually 13x of customer lifetime value. So allow me to explain further what I mean by that. So compared to traditional brokerages or a lot of tech-enabled brokerages out there, we are very different fundamentally in terms of our business model. So most of the agencies out there here in Singapore and Southeast Asia, what we do is that when 1 commission comes in, let's say, it's $10,000 worth of commission. Typically, what happen is that 90% to even 95% of commission will be paid to agents because each an agent are essentially freelancers and they manage their own expenses and the customer engagement.

Whereas for us, because we are a team serving any customer, we are able to retain much higher in terms of gross profit that we have. So our gross margin usually hovers around 50%. And then the 50% that we pay out are usually inclusive of our -- all of our agents' salary, our co-broke agents' commissions or our incentives as well as property listing expenses. So this is a significant improvement as compared to the typical model, where we -- our gross profit margin is 5x of what a typical transaction has.

And then in order to achieve $10 million in brokerage gross profit, usually, for these kind of cases, they will require 10,000 deals. But for us, we only require 2,000 deals. So we are able to achieve profitability with much lower amount -- a much lower number of deals. And then for the traditional model, usually, it's hard to get into -- it's hard to reach further down the funnel to be able to engage customers for other services because usually it conflicts with agent site interest. But for us, because we work as a single team and we also actually provide services to the customers directly. We are able to earn typically $40,000 worth of gross profit coming from renovation deals. So our renovation deals hovers around $200,000 to sometimes even as high as $1 million contract.

And in terms of the revenue that's coming from property management business, it's usually $400 per year per unit. So adding all of this together in terms of gross profit, we are seeing around close to $13,000 in gross profit for 1 single customer that's coming to us as compared to only $1,000 gross profit for 1 customer that's been transacted by the traditional model. So throughout this whole cycle, 1 customer is worth 13x more compared to the traditional brokerage model. And that's why we have a very highly profitable business when we are reaching [ age ] scale.

And lastly, we are also currently trading at a relatively low valuation multiple. And what we are trading at currently is at a revenue multiple of 1.3x. So what happened recently in the industry is very interesting. PropertyGuru, which is another listed company as well coming from Singapore. And then they were recently acquired by EQT, which is a private equity fund with a valuation of USD 1.1 million. So this is actually close to 9x their 2024 projected revenue. So this multiple is actually significantly higher than what we are trading at, but partly could be due to the fact that we don't have a lot of people know us. So as we market ourselves more and more to more investors, hopefully, this will be spread out to more investors out there to know that we are currently -- have a low valuation multiple compared to what's happening in the market.

So these are 3 key highlights I would like to just reiterate once again. One is that we are a high-growth proptech company. Secondly, we have a very highly profitable business model at scale. And lastly, we are currently undervalued as compared to what we are seeing in the industry.

So in terms of our long-term growth strategy, our core focus is still on increasing market share in the existing market and expand our geographies. Secondly is to acquire a partner with companies whose offering accelerate our growth; and lastly, increase our service offering so we can become a property super app.

Our company is also managed with a very experienced Board and management team. So Rhonda and Race, our CEO and COO, respectively. Sitting on our Board of Independent Directors, we have our Chairman, who is Mr. David Loh, who is also the Chairman of Centurion Corporation, which is a well-known student condominium developer and manager for student accommodations around the world. And it's also a listed company in Singapore. And he's also a Director at Grab Holdings, another well-known tech company in Singapore.

And then we have Mr. Lee Wei Loon, who is our Audit Chair, who is the CEO of Watchbox Asia, which is a luxury market watch marketplace. And he's also the former Director of Investment Banking division in Morgan Stanley Asia. We have Mr. Lim Khoon, who is the Chairman of Nomination Committee, who is a partner at Eldan Law. And lastly, we have Mr. Galven Tan, who is our Compensation Committee member -- sorry, our Compensation Committee Chair, who is currently the CEO of Knight Frank Singapore and other well-known property management company in Singapore. And he was also the former Deputy Managing Director at Savills.

So now we have come to the end of our presentation. And now we would like to open the floor for any questions that you may have.

So together with us, we have 1 of our analysts on the call, Mr. Allen Klee from Maxim.

A couple of things stood out. One, I heard you say that you increased your cash levels. I was curious how you were able to do that?

Well, as we have mentioned in the presentation earlier that we are very focused on, of course, our operating efficiency. So what happened is essentially we have closed a lot more deals and we also have closed a lot more renovation contracts. That allow us to build our cash flow in the short period of time. And also, our losses has been reduced significantly due to some of the initiatives that were taken in the second half of the year.

I also saw Derek asking some elaboration on the cost optimization. So this is not rocket science. Essentially it's that we have looked at all of our internal headcount, we have looked at all of the resources and spending that we have. We have optimized them to make sure that every single dollar and cents are being optimized and achieved the ROI that we wanted to achieve. And we have directed some of the resources into marketing so that we are focusing on generating revenue and growth as well. So this is the results of both an increase in sales and revenue that we're seeing in the third quarter as well as a reduction in the cost that we have been spending.

So our acquisition into property management has assisted us as well. So with the thousands of units under management, we're able to better offer our services without engaging into every single customer acquisition cost for each of these conversions. We have also increased our partnerships. So we've partnered with various partners even from F&B, coffee shops to different finance, insurance partners. And this has helped us increase our lead generation as well.

So in the past, before all of these activities, as you can imagine, all of our acquisitions will have to be done via a lot of paid marketing. So as a company running into our eighth year right now, we're definitely looking into how we can generate more activities to increase our organic reach into customer acquisition. So we are currently the highest rated brokerage proptech company in the entire country or even in the region that we're in, in Southeast Asia. We have over 8,000 5-star reviews.

So one of the slides that we had with all the top brokerages in where we are in Singapore, you'll find that if you search their reviews, they would not be very -- it would not be comparable to Ohmyhome. And the reason is exactly why we started Ohmyhome because actually in the industry, there are a lot of complaints about agents, just honesty, opaque information, costly services. So we created Ohmyhome to hopefully be able to better serve our customers. And thus far, we have done that to a large degree. Where we need to keep growing is ensuring that our good services, where we're able to sell faster than almost any other company in the market, we're able to transact faster. We're able to achieve higher prices. We have achieved these items in terms of KPIs. But what we haven't achieved is that we have not reached out in terms of our marketing, our branding to the rest of the market.

As you can imagine, if you are selling a home and you know that Ohmyhome can sell it faster and at a higher price for you, it's quite a no-brainer to engage us. If you're renovating your home and you know that we can be on time, we are a cost competitive, our designs are excellent, again, it's a no-brainer to engage us. So definitely, our goal as we continue to cost optimize, it's also to expand our reach more organically so that we don't have to keep increasing our marketing costs linearly. And with that reach, we would like to be able to keep reporting to you stronger numbers and be profitable.

I was just wondering if you could give us some commentary on the Singapore housing market overall and the economy.

The Singapore housing market is generally very vibrant. And the reason it is so is because there has been a lot of government regulations, pricing control, tax control to ensure that the market doesn't get overheated. So what happens, like how can it be vibrant when it's controlled to not be overheated. So what happens here is that over the last 10 years, the government is trying their best to make sure that Singapore doesn't become like a speculative property market.

So over the last 10 years, what has happened is that most real estate owners in Singapore are very cash rich. And that means that in the event of higher interest rates in the event of a not so good economic situation, there is no need for anyone to [ for sale ] their homes or sell at a huge discount. So most of the time, because of the taxation here, property owners today who have -- who own multiple properties tend not to dispose of their properties. They will dispose of other assets because it costs them more in the future if they wanted to acquire the property again because of the way tax works in Singapore. So that's 1 part.

The other part in terms of the market is that overall when the interest rate and the interest rates are high across the world, generally, Singapore interest rates are quite low. So when it was high, we were -- high for us is about 3% to 4%. And then low for us is about 1% to 2%. So we're seeing interest rates coming down. So we're seeing more activities as well. Overall, in the market, in terms of the Singapore transaction dynamics, when it comes to our business, we are not quite concerned if the market goes up or down as long as there's transactions.

So in Singapore, there's about 40,000 sale transactions a year. You can estimate another 100,000 of rental transactions. Now this number, obviously, compared to if you were in the States or some of our listeners are from India, it's a very, very small number. But the beauty of Singapore is that it's 1 of the most expensive real estate cities in the entire world. So every transaction actually is worth a lot to us. So a government property will cost about USD 350,000. So 80% of Singaporeans live in there. And then the private properties would easily cost you anywhere between USD 1 million to USD 5 million per property. And we're talking about multifamily homes that are quite small, about 2,000 square footage would be considered as quite a comfortable size home.

So that's the property scene in Singapore. And what we're seeing is that with the interest rates coming down, we're definitely expecting more activities. But either way, the transaction volume has still been quite healthy over the last few years that we've been around. In fact, we started at the worst time of the market in 2016. So this was off the back of the first government huge taxation on property purchases. But we wanted to start then because we felt that if any help was needed in the market, that would have been the best time. So that was why from the time we launched Ohmyhome, within 4 months, we became the #1 proptech player in the market. So we're still working hard and looking to continually spread our brand, our efficiency, our services in terms of the one-stop shop and be able to gain more customers across the region.

Derek was asking if the higher agent GTV is -- on lower transactions, is it due to more condo transactions?

Definitely. So with the acquisition of the property management arm, we're definitely seeing more condo transactions, more condo customers with us. That is on the part of the acquisition. But separately, on the marketing front, we are also actively increasing our deal value per transaction. So that's why you heard Mr. Leo Li previously sharing about how our renovation deals are getting larger because we're dealing with higher net worth -- higher value renovation deals. So these days we tend not to -- we tend to only work on deals -- renovation deals that are above USD 200,000 per contract. And we find that we do very well in that category and upwards. So that's what we've been busy with.

So when we are growing the department, even I myself with my co-founder Race, we are very hands on in terms of understanding the market, the materials, the customers that come through because we are very determined to grow DreamR into a much larger and famous renovation firm.

Allen, do you have any further questions or comments?

I think you mentioned this, but if you could highlight kind of how the combination of using the property management business and your AI tool have been able to grow business and where you think you are on that in terms of like the opportunity of continuing to do that?

Thank you, Allen. And it's a good question on top of a direct question about HomerAI. The beauty about HomerAI is not just because it's trendy in the AI world. I was just in LA and Vegas 2 weeks ago. And we were actually in conversations with some of the proptech names that you saw on the slides. We're actually pretty good friends. So we're always exchanging ideas.

And the beauty is that the AI that we have already implemented in Singapore in Ohmyhome, it's actually not seen and not available in the States. So since the time we listed, I know a lot of questions that came in before was about how we're expanding into the States as well. It's always definitely a work in progress because it's a much larger market for us to apply a good technology.

So HomerAI, the beauty about that is that, of course, in the construction and the building of HomerAI, it cost us a lot. So why does a company that runs such high gross margin businesses across all streams continue to run losses in the past 8 years? The reason is very much because the building of this technology is very expensive. When we built this technology, whether it's for 100 users or 1 million users, it cost us pretty much the same except for server costs, right? But the building of it in terms of the tech development cost is pretty much the same for us.

So the beauty of Ohmyhome and the HomerAI technology is that we have built it. It's ready. So right now, we have this amount of users that's currently using our platform, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000. But whether it's 10,000, 30,000 users or 1 million users, the platform actually becomes more and more live, the more users we have. And what it does for our margins in the future expansion is that the conversions become more affordable. Why? Because these are people who are not looking to sell their home today, but they're on our platform. They're getting nurtured. They get information on their property, they get information on their valuation, articles are what they should be doing about their property, what's the best time to sell, how is the interest rates are going, do you want a better mortgage package. So all of these extremely useful tools are constantly available to them.

And in the event someday that they're looking to sell, they have all the recent transaction prices, the current market asking prices. And we would like that in this conversion journey, they will then choose Ohmyhome as the company to sell, buy or rent for them. So what we have seen in the past 8 months or so of running Homer very aggressively this year is that it has helped us with our conversions. But is it making our conversions a lot cheaper? I wouldn't dare go as far to say that yeah, it's so much cheaper now because the number of users, we're still growing it. So we need to continue to grow users, such that you will see the results as a company, we'll see the results in the future.

So in an idealistic world, if we can get, for example, the entire Singapore homeowners on Homer, then obviously, at the time that they want to sell or renovate, we are constantly in their lives without them having to pick up the phone to call their agent or their friend or someone who's more knowledgeable than them. So that's what we've been working on this whole time. We are actually solving -- our solutions are stemming from problems that frustrates us ourselves. So you can imagine, as we run the team of agents over the last 8 years. And before Ohmyhome, I was also working with agents. Some of the frustrations we have is that good agents are rare and few. There are good agents, but they are not the majority. So what happens with that is that not -- if they are good agents, they -- what we define as good agents as they are prompt, they are good at closing. They love their customers, their customers love them. They are honest, they're actually good at their job. But after all, they are humans too, so they can't be replying to messages all day, and they may not always be accurate.

So where AI comes in is that any time you're looking for the answer -- so for example, if you ask an agent of yours, a broker of yours, wherever you may be, the question are, what's my recent transactions? The answer will be, like, hey, it's hovering about this price. And let me check, let me get back to you. But on HomerAI or any of our Ohmyhome tools, you'll find that when you ask this question, you immediately get a list of the answers, and these are accurate answers. So that's the beauty of AI, which is that we want to answer accurately. We want to answer around the clock.

Look, so then what happens to our agents and brokers, right? What happens to them is that they then spend all of their time more committed and more dedicated to sales closing. That means the part of the journey that a consumer just prefers to have a human involvement. And of course, where we're heading towards is that this human involvement, it's not as necessary as before. So have we required a human agent involvement in the past in 100% of the journey. Today, at Ohmyhome, you probably only require an agent 30% of the time in your entire 100% of journey. So assuming from the time you think about selling to the time you complete your sale is 100% time. Today, you probably need to see our agent 30% of the time or less. So that's where we're heading with our technology where you need them less, but you actually have more accurate information data services.

So we're very determined to continue building this. And again, the solution stems from the frustrations and the problems in the market. So we're still very passionate about our business, and we want to grow this. We want to expand this beyond our shores of Singapore island. So that's what we're working on every day. It's a very, very fun job for us. I know sometimes, if some of you are investors, it might be quite disappointing, right? Looking at the company you invest in not doing so well in the stock price front. While we may not be able to actively do much about that, I see a question about how do we attract new investors. Apparently, we haven't done that very well. But what you can be very assured at all is that we're 100% committed in winning this game. And we're 100% committed in having more customers, if not all customers, be with Ohmyhome at some stage of their journey.

Thank you, Rhonda. But to add on to part of the question -- to add to your answer, right? So 1 of the questions that I think Allen was asking was regarding how these 2 products have been integrated with each other. So this is -- on the right side is actually a screen of the application of simple app, which is the condominium, and that's being used by the -- over 9,000 units under management. So on this app, as you can see, you can book various activities, look at announcements, request for services. And then at the bottom right corner, you can see HomerAI. This is where you can click in and start registering your home. And here is a hook that we can hook the homeowners to let them have a price discovery process for their home.

So a lot of times, actually, most people may not think actively about their home or thinking about selling their home because they do not know what's the latest price of their home. And after the price discovery process, and this is actually an important hook for them too, get connected to HomerAI, and that's how we convert users from this platform to our platform. And as a matter of fact, we are also getting these 2 platform to be more and more integrated. So in the future, it could potentially be highly -- so highly integrated that you can just connect 1 app to another with ease.

So to answer, I think [ Linda's ] question as well with regards to what we're doing to attract new investors to increase press release in the U.S. Yes, we will very much like to, to resonate what Rhonda mentioned. But the core focus of us is still on the business itself and focusing on executing our strategy. As some of the investors here may know that actually -- going for conferences and all of that, it's a relatively costly process for us. Unlike companies in the U.S., whereby you can just fly and drive around the U.S. But for us, flying over there, accommodations and everything, that could [ power ] price significantly and causing quite a strain for us. We would rather focus on investing that on growing the business, which will return long-term value for all of our shareholders here instead of having to rely on external funding to help us continue to fund the business. So this is a very important focus for us, but that means that we still will be increasing our exposure.

So the press release regarding this webinar has already been out. So do stay in touch, and then follow all of the socials that are at the bottom of the press release to follow our latest update. So from time to time, we also provide updates on our business via our LinkedIn profile, via our Twitter, via our Facebook, as well as Instagram. So do follow them and see what's happening with us and then what we are doing. Sometimes, we do have some exciting things that we are going to uncover in Singapore as well. So do stay in touch, and do follow us on all of our socials to find out.

All right. I think that our time is running short and we need to conclude the session. Thank you, Rhonda, and thank you, everyone, for attending. Thank you, Allen, for your questions.

Thank you, everyone, and do check out our latest videos that we've done for the United States. We toured some properties in LA, and we have just released those videos. So do follow us for all of the different updates that we have done at Ohmyhome. It's been exciting. We've been quite happy with our work here. So we hope to see you again at our next update.

All right. Thank you, everyone. So for any questions or any further information, feel free to visit our website at www.ohmyhome.com and our Investor Relations website, ir.ohmyhome.com. And if there are any questions, feel free to e-mail to ir@ohmyhome.com. Thank you, and have a great day.