Ocular Therapeutix Inc

NASDAQ:OCUL

Earnings Call Analysis

Strong Progress on Key Retina Studies

Ocular Therapeutix reported significant advancements in transforming into a retina-focused company. The FDA confirmed that both SOL-1 and SOL-R studies for wet AMD are suitable as registration-enabling studies. With accelerated patient recruitment, 151 patients were engaged in SOL-1 within two months. Remarkable results from the Phase I HELIOS study for nonproliferative diabetic retinopathy showed zero vision-threatening complications after 48 weeks. The company holds approximately $460 million in cash, providing financial stability until 2028. These milestones reinforce confidence in the future success of Ocular Therapeutix’s treatments for AMD and diabetic retinopathy.

Introduction to Ocular Therapeutix

Ocular Therapeutix is focusing its efforts on retinal diseases, particularly through its lead product candidate, AXPAXLI, targeting wet age-related macular degeneration (AMD). During the latest earnings call, CEO Dr. Pravin Dugel highlighted the company's shift towards a retina-focused approach, aiming to meet a significant unmet need in the treatment of this condition.

Financial Stability

Ocular Therapeutix displayed a strong financial position, boasting approximately $460 million in cash at the end of Q2 2024. This substantial cash runway is projected to extend into 2028, allowing the company to execute pivotal studies for its leading product candidates without immediate financial stress.

Advancements in Clinical Trials

The company is currently conducting two pivotal studies: SOL-1 and SOL-R, both perceived as essential to the regulatory approval of AXPAXLI. The SOL-1 study, aimed at evaluating the efficacy and safety of AXPAXLI, reported an enrollment of over 151 patients and has successfully exceeded initial recruitment expectations. As recruitment enters an exponential phase, this positive trend suggests a strong pathway towards achieving timely trial completion, with official guidance indicating that the SOL-1 study aims for completion by the end of the first quarter of 2025.

Expedited Clinical Development

Notably, the initiation of the SOL-R study occurred within a record three-month timeframe, showcasing the agility of Ocular's team. SOL-R is designed to be a repeat dosing trial for AXPAXLI in wet AMD, with guidance confirming that both SOL-1 and SOL-R will qualify as registration-enabling studies according to FDA assessments. This “in writing” confirmation from the FDA has reinforced the company’s confidence in its regulatory strategy.

Key Study Insights and Patient Recruitment

The increasing pace of recruitment in SOL-1 has been attributed to both strategic study site management and the company’s efforts in patient outreach and communication. With a lower-than-expected screen failure rate, many patients who might not qualify for SOL-1 can still be recruited into SOL-R, creating a synergistic effect that bolsters overall recruitment efforts.

Impressive HELIOS Study Results

Ocular Therapeutix also shared exciting data regarding its Phase I HELIOS study aimed at nonproliferative diabetic retinopathy (NPDR). Every metric evaluated showed positive outcomes for AXPAXLI, with a complete absence of vision-threatening complications after a single implant for 48 weeks, compared to historic rates of 20% to 30%. These results bolstered confidence not only in NPDR applications but also enhanced expectations for the success of the ongoing wet AMD studies SOL-1 and SOL-R.

Strategic Direction and Future Outlook

In summary, Ocular Therapeutix is executing a well-defined strategy underpinned by strong financial resources and innovative clinical programs. With an emphasis on achieving regulatory approval for AXPAXLI in wet AMD, the company remains focused on building a comprehensive evidence base demonstrating its drug's long-term efficacy. Ocular Therapeutix's alignment with FDA expectations and the accelerated recruitment process give investors a promising outlook on the potential success of these studies and future revenue streams.

Earnings Call Transcript 2024-Q2

[Operator]

Good morning, and welcome to the Ocular Therapeutix Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]

As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded and will be available for replay on the Investor Relations section of the Ocular Therapeutix website.

I would now like to turn the call over to Ocular's Vice President of Investor Relations, Bill Slattery. Please go ahead, Mr. Slattery.

[William Slattery, executive]

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release outlining our financial results for the second quarter of 2024. To make the best use of your time today, Ocular's Executive Chairman, President and CEO; Dr. Pravin Dugel, will briefly provide a summary of recent business highlights so we can quickly get to your questions.

Joining Dr. Dugel for the Q&A portion of the call will be Donald Notman, Chief Financial Officer; Dr. Nadia Waheed, Chief Medical Officer; Dr. Sanjay Nayak, Chief Strategy Officer; and Steve Meyer, Chief Commercial Officer.

We refer everyone to this morning's press release and our Form 10-Q for a comprehensive update of second quarter financial and business results.

During today's call, we will be making certain forward-looking statements, and our actual results may differ materially. Please see the Risk Factors section of our annual report on Form 10-K and our other SEC filings for details on the risks and uncertainties relating to our business.

With that, I'd like to hand the call over to Dr. Pravin Dugel to review our recent updates. Pravin?

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Thank you, Bill, and thank you to everyone for joining us today. We know this is a very busy time of the year for everyone so let's jump right in.

When I assumed responsibility as Ocular's Chairman of the Board, President and CEO in mid-April, the goal was simple: transform this organization into a retina-focused company and execute, execute, execute. Ocular's #1 priority today is to bring AXPAXLI to market for wet AMD as soon as possible, given the large market size and the unmet need both in terms of the need for a more sustainable treatment option and the need to improve long-term outcomes.

As of this morning, we can now confirm that the FDA has advised us that the 2 wet AMD studies in which we are currently enrolling patients, SOL-1 and SOL-R, are both appropriate as registration-enabling studies. This is a momentous achievement for the Ocular team that has been working diligently to surpass all expectations.

In a few short months, this team has achieved 4 tremendous accomplishments that I'd like to outline today. First, we set a decisive vision for the company and streamline the organization. This year, we've invested in the areas of the business that are most value creating and are aligned with our vision to be a leading retina company. We've invested in highly credentialed retina experts with unmatched experience in clinical development, regulatory affairs, biostatistics and other key functions. To put this dream team in context, members of the ocular team have played a role in nearly every major advancement in retinal diseases over the past 3 decades.

We are fortunate today to be well financed, with approximately $460 million in cash at the end of the second quarter. Based on our current operating plans, we believe this gives us a cash runway into 2028 beyond the anticipated top line readouts for both the SOL-1 and SOL-R studies in wet AMD.

Our commitment to the investment community is to stay financially disciplined, which included making the difficult decision earlier this quarter to reduce head count in areas of the business that are not aligned with the vision of the company.

Our second significant accomplishment relates to the SOL-1 study where the rate of enrollment continues to accelerate and exceed our expectations. SOL-1 is the first of 2 registration studies for AXPAXLI and wet AMD.

The single biggest challenge I saw when I first came to Ocular was how to effectively communicate the benefits and advantages of the SOL-1 study to the retinal community as well as patients. In our June Investor Day, we shared the success of our communication campaign by announcing that 60 sites have been activated and over 150 patients were in various stages of loading and randomization.

As many of you know, enrollment in clinical trials is not always linear. When you hit a critical mass of sites activated, enrollment starts to accelerate in an exponential fashion. And today, we believe we're in that exciting phase of enrollment in the SOL-1 study. In short, we continue to be delighted with the enrollment following our Investor Day announcement.

The third substantial accomplishment is the initiation of our repeat dosing study, SOL-R, for wet AMD. Over the course of just 3 months, the Ocular team developed the concept for SOL-R, activated study sites, and as of last week, began enrolling patients. To take it one step further, we can now share that the FDA has officially confirmed to us in writing that SOL-R is acceptable as a registrational study for AXPAXLI in wet AMD. Let me say that again, SOL-R was taken from concept to clinic in just 3 months. This is simply exceptional, and in my experience, unprecedented.

When we talk about SOL-1 and SOL-R, what's most important for everyone to understand is how well these studies complement each other and how much thought has gone into patient selection and study design to reduce disease variability de-risk the patient population and improve the likelihood of a successful outcome in both pivotal studies. The bottom line is when taken in its totality, SOL-1 and SOL-R are designed to meet our regulatory requirements while providing commercially meaningful data.

The fourth accomplishment is the presentation of results from our Phase I HELIOS study in nonproliferative diabetic retinopathy or NPDR. What's remarkable about these results is that every single metric and parameter favored AXPAXLI. These data show that with a single AXPAXLI implant, literally 0 patients in the trial were observed to have developed vision-threatening complications at 48 weeks versus the 20% to 30% year-over-year historic rates. In other words, not a single patient after a single injection of AXPAXLI developed a potentially blinding complication after 48 weeks.

These impressive results have been well noted by our retina colleagues. In fact, they were viewed as significant enough to warrant a late-breaker presentation at the recent ASRS meeting.

Ultimately, we believe the positive initial data from HELIOS not only provide us a remarkable opportunity in NPDR, but also build on our U.S. and Australia studies in wet AMD, giving us further database confidence for the success of both the SOL-1 and SOL-R pivotal studies.

As we conclude the prepared remarks on today's call, I'd like to leave you with these key messages. We are dedicated to becoming a leader in the treatment of retinal disease and improving vision in the real world. We have assembled an expert retina team to accelerate the development of AXPAXLI for wet AMD, which now includes 2 registration-enabling studies that are enrolling patients.

We have very thoughtfully designed both SOL-1 and SOL-R with an emphasis on enriching the patient selection appropriately for each trial and on derisking each study to improve the probability of success. SOL-1 and SOL-R are strategically designed to provide meaningful data for both regulatory and commercial purposes. We are executing extremely well, exceeding our highest expectations based on the enrollment pace for SOL-1 and the rapidity of initiation of enrollment in SOL-R, and we believe, based on our current operating plans, that our cash runway takes us into 2028 and fully funds SOL-1 and SOL-R top line results.

We look forward to updating you on our progress with the sincere thanks for your engagement and ongoing support. Operator? I would now like to open the call for questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Tazeen Ahmad of Bank of America.

[Tazeen Ahmad, analyst]

Congrats on getting the alignment with FDA. Pravin, I wanted to maybe ask you with that now into your SOL-1 study has been recruiting much faster than expected. And at your R&D Day, you talked about how that could also feed into the speed with which the SOL-R study could recruit. Have you had a chance to talk to FDA about whether both studies would need to be submitted at the same time when you do apply for approval or kind of potential rolling submission beyond the table? That's my first question.

And then secondly, as you think about the time period between inserts that might be needed for the SOL-1 study, you've talked about an average of maybe every 9 months. Can you talk about how's the experience as the retina position, the variability that physicians or flexibility that physicians may choose to have maybe some dosing more frequently and some dosing less frequently? And where you think at the end of the day, the average dosing frequency for the insert will be?

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Tazeen, thank you for the question. I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your questions. First of all, let me make it very clear. We are absolutely thrilled with the written FDA response. It validates what we've been saying to the Street all along, which is that our thinking is absolutely in line with the FDA requirements. And now we have this in writing and this absolutely validates everything that we've told you.

We also have in writing that these 2 studies will potentially qualify for approval. One is a noninferiority study and the other one is a superiority study. These 2 studies are very thoughtfully, very carefully designed to answer not only the regulatory requirement questions, but also have a commercial impact.

Very importantly, as I've been saying all along, the SOL-R study is specifically designed to actually increase the recruitment in SOL-1. Having said that, I must tell you that we are very pleased with the continued pace of recruitment in SOL-1. As you know, the recruitment is not necessarily linear. After you hit a certain critical mass, it becomes exponential. And we clearly are in that phase. We are very pleased with the recruitment of SOL-1.

Now in regards to your question about the clinical, the potential clinical use of AXPAXLI. Our goal, as you know, is to get this drug to patients as soon as possible. We believe that when you take the SOL-1 and SOL-R in its totality, it allows physicians the flexibility of dosing up to every 6 months. In some patients, this may be necessary, in a lot of patients, this will not be necessary and patients may be extended further for treatment every 9 months, 10 months or even a year.

So the important point here is that to recognize that this disease is a heterogeneous disease. Patients will be treated in a personalized fashion, I believe, as they have -- as they are being with the anti-VEGF today. But the important part is that, given the totality of these 2 studies, it answers many questions while providing a clear regulatory pathway and gives the physicians the flexibility in terms of the personal treatment and having a [indiscernible] treatment regimen with potentially a better long-term outcome.

[Operator]

We'll take our next question from Biren Amin of Piper Sandler.

[Biren Amin, analyst]

Congrats on the regulatory update. Maybe, Pravin, if I could start with SOL-1. I think the company previously guided to patient enrollment completing in the trial in the first half of 2025. Do you have an update on this timeline?

And then second question is, you've got the FDA feedback. And I know there has been some discussions with EMA. Any update there in terms of the EMA's thoughts on the design of SOL-R and SOL-1?

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Biren, thank you for your question. So first of all, you're right, we did guide in our previous filings the effective recruitment for SOL-1 being the end of the first quarter of 2025. We did also say that given the pace of enrollment for SOL-1, we will [indiscernible] earlier, we have not changed any official guidance since then. It is too early to do so. When appropriate, we certainly will update you with the proper [indiscernible].

In regards to the EMA, clearly, AXPAXLI is a global drug, and we are in conversations with the EMA. We're very, very pleased with our conversations. And when the time is appropriate, we certainly will update you as to that as well.

[Biren Amin, analyst]

And if I could have one follow-up on the SOL-R, what are the retreatment criteria that you're using for the trial?

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

As you know, this is a noninferiority study. My expectation is that the retreatment criteria will be different than SOL-1 and in line with other non-inferiority studies. As of now, we're still discussing this with the FDA. And when it is finalized, we'll certainly update you.

[Operator]

We'll take our next question from Tara Bancroft of TD Cowen.

[Tara Bancroft, analyst]

It's great to see the news on the FDA feedback here. So my question is, if you can elaborate on the term that you put in the press release that's generally acceptable in the written response, and if you believe there's any remaining risk to both studies satisfying the NDA requirements. And really, if so, if there's anything that you're doing to mitigate that proactively.

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Look, the term that we use is a term that the FDA uses and it's a term that's generally used. There's really nothing to read into that. The take-home message here is that we are absolutely thrilled with the alignment that the FDA has, and we have that now in writing, and I repeat, in writing. So this is not subject to any interpretation. It is in writing that they're thinking, that their requirements are absolutely aligned with what we've been saying.

For example, we have been saying, and this is aligned with the FDA and we have this in writing, that sham is not recommended, that it does not constitute complete masking. It has the ability to introduce bias. And any study done with a sham will be subject to review. That is what we've been saying all along. And now we have that in writing from the FDA in a Type C response.

As you know, we don't have any sham in any of our studies. We are not willing to do any of our studies at risk. We believe that we're an absolute alignment with what the FDA requirements are as of just a few days ago.

[Operator]

We'll move next to Colleen Kusy of Baird.

[Colleen Hanley, analyst]

Congrats on the progress. So with the FDA written feedback, would you expect to also plan to pursue a SPA for SOL-R. And then based on the feedback that you received, are there any changes that you plan to make to the SOL-R study? And can you just confirm how the FDA is viewing the role of the comparator arm? Do you need any sort of statistical significance difference in terms of the Eylea high-dose arm? .

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Colleen, thank you for your question. It's important to state that we requested a Type C meeting and the FDA responded by saying that they know us and our drug well enough to have a written response. As you know, we have a SPA for the SOL-1 study.

To answer your question directly, look, we believe we are in complete alignment with the FDA, as we've been saying. We believe that everything that we said, and I've just given you the example regarding sham, is absolutely validated in this written response.

In regards to the potential for a SPA, the answer is I honestly don't know at this point. We've just received this written response a few days ago. What I will tell you is that our goal here is to get this drug to patients as quickly as possible. We will not do anything that will jeopardize that or will delay that in any way, whether the use of resources or time. We will give you an answer regarding the SPA discussion. At this point, I simply don't know it yet.

Colleen, does that answer your question? Was there another one that I missed?

[Colleen Hanley, analyst]

And then just -- yes, that's helpful on the SPA. And then can you just confirm, were there any other changes that you plan to make to the trial design and what the role of the comparator arm is, whether you need any statistics around that? .

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Yes. So we don't anticipate really any large changes whatsoever. The FDA has been very clear in its written response of saying that this trial is acceptable as a registration study. We really do not anticipate any great changes whatsoever here. This is absolutely a complete alignment with the FDA.

In regards to the comparator arm, again, I say this as I said before, we have followed the guidelines to the [indiscernible]. As you know, the comparator arm or the requirement of the comparator arm is that the comparator arm have the same dosing frequency and the same rescue requirements as the treatment arm. It is purely for masking purposes. It is not for statistical analysis, and that has not changed, I believe, with the FDA at all. That has been absolutely in line with what we've been saying.

[Operator]

Our next question is from Kelly Shi of Jefferies.

[Dingding Shi, analyst]

Congrats on the great progress. Maybe could you walk us to your expectation on how the 2 comparator arm might perform in SOL-R based on historical trial data and how the real world dosing frequency of Eylea for both high dose and the low dose might differ in wet AMD? .

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Kelly, thank you for your question. I don't want to predict how a study may perform other than to tell you that we are extremely confident in terms of our arms that we had selected. As you know, this is -- the SOL-R is a trial design where the statistical analysis will be done versus the 2-milligram aflibercept arm.

I believe the best comparator that you can look for is our U.S. study. In our U.S. study, as you recall, in a patient population that was not super selective or enriched as we have in SOL-R at the 6-month point per protocol, 100% of patients were rescue free. And again, I repeat per protocol at 6 months, 100% of patients were rescue free in the AXPAXLI arm.

So this gives us a great deal of confidence based on our data that in this patient population, which has been derisked and selected and enriched, that those numbers will not only stand, but actually will be even better. As I said earlier on, there is one comparator arm, and that is not for a statistical analysis, that is purely for masking purposes. But given the data that we have from the U.S. study, we are very confident in the noninferiority outcome of SOL-R.

[Dingding Shi, analyst]

Makes sense. And maybe I can add a follow-up here. So now your wet AMD trials are well on track to advance. Wondering how should we think about the next step for AXPAXLI in diabetic retinopathy? What would be the key learnings on trial design from your discussion with FDA on wet AMD trial designs and also the DR trial designs in this space overall?

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Kelly, thank you again for that question. I want to be very clear. We, as a company, has made our priorities about as transparent and about as clear as possible. Our priority is SOL-1 and SOL-R. Our priority is to get this drug to patients as quickly as possible and have the potential to be approved as quickly as possible. We are thrilled with the HELIOS data set. This comes as the next priority. To be clear, we have not had a meeting with the FDA, formal meeting with the FDA regarding the nonproliferative diabetic retinopathy study. However, our intention is to do so.

The take-home messages from HELIOS are two. The first one is that the results of HELIOS, which I think are quite remarkable, which is that as we mentioned earlier, that every single metric, every single parameter is absolutely aligned in favor of the drug. And that's quite remarkable, given the variability of this patient population. I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that the drug is active, that it is safe and that is absolutely working at 48 weeks with a single injection in patients with nonproliferative diabetic retinopathy.

The take-home message is that we have a clear path forward to target this disease for which, right now, effectively, there is no drug and patients are going blind. The [indiscernible] vision-threatening complication rate, as you know, is 20% to 30% year-upon-year. So the first take-home message is that there's a clear path forward for us into this target.

The second important is that there is a great line of sight that is data based that should give us confidence based on HELIOS for the success of SOL-1 and SOL-R in terms of the activity of this drug. So I think those are the 2 take-home messages.

[Operator]

Our next question is from Sean McCutcheon of Raymond James.

[Sean McCutcheon, analyst]

So maybe to pick on the SOL-R comparator arm a bit more and understanding that the 8 mg aflibercept is for masking only. But what strategic significance do you think it plays that you will have these data at hand and your competitors presumably will not? Does this give you optionality on the marketing front? Or maybe to widen the lens a bit, can you just walk us through the decision process as you design the study with the investigators?

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Thank you for your question. The first goal here is to make sure that from a regulatory point of view, we're about as clear as possible and as aligned as possible with the FDA requirements. I believe we've achieved that with the comparator arm. And as you rightly stated, the comparator arm is purely for masking, not for statistical analysis. That is the first goal.

In terms of the read-through from a commercial point of view, we will be able to show here a comparison with what may be considered the next generation of Eylea product, which is high-dose Eylea. And I think that will be very valuable for physicians. Most importantly, when taking this totality, when you look at SOL-1 and SOL-R, SOL-1 is a superiority study the SOL-1 will give us a great deal of information as to the durability of a single injection of AXPAXLI. SOL-R is a noninferiority study. It gives us information regarding the ability it allows for flexibility of dosing and it gives us a commercial information in regards to how our drug does, which we are very confident about with both the 2-milligram aflibercept as well as high-dose Eylea. So I think taken in its totality, most of the question that physicians, if not all of the questions that physicians have, will be answered by accumulation of the data through both studies.

[Operator]

And we'll take our next question from Yi Chen of H.C. Wainwright.

[Yi Chen, analyst]

With respect to the SOL-R trial, do you currently have an estimate as to when the trial could complete enrollment? And also for the [indiscernible] doses, does that apply to both patients who failed at randomization in the SOL-1 trial as well as patients who directly enrolled into the SOL-R trial.

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Yi, thank you for your question. We have not given any guidelines as to when we expect SOL-R to be recruited. Regarding your second question. One of the really important requirements that I had for SOL-R was that not only it's not cannibalized patients from SOL-1, but it actually helped the recruitment in SOL-1. Now we're recruiting extraordinarily well in SOL-1. I want to emphasize that. But we always want to have more traffic in that study.

So you are correct. Initially, right now, what we're doing is we're only recruiting those patients who screen fail in SOL-1 into SOL-R. Now why may they screen fail? Well, the most common reason may be that they simply may not get, for instance, a 10-letter game, they may only get a 8 or 9 letter game, and then there will be a place for them to go, which is SOL-R. It will absolutely increase the traffic and the recruitment of SOL-1. Once we are certain that SOL-1 is either recruited or about to be recruited, we control the switch, and this is really important, we control the switch to now say patients who are being recruited for SOL-R and no longer need to come from SOL-1 screen failures that may come from the outside. But the way the study is designed, the fact that we control that switch is really important to understand, which is that as required, SOL-R will always help the recruitment of SOL-1 and never cannibalize from the recruitment of SOL-1.

For study sites, this is really important. It's really important for studies, as you probably saw that quote from [ Dr. O ], that they're able to tell patients, this is a great study, we'd like you to be recruited for this study, and the study coordinators and the physicians will have the confidence that pretty much all patients will qualify for one or any other study. That is a really important fact for all study centers.

[Operator]

We'll take a question from Jon Wolleben of Citizens JMP.

[Unknown Analyst]

[indiscernible] on for Jon. Just a quick question about SOL-1 recruitment, just kind of follow-up the SOL-1 recruitment, just a follow-up. Have you updated how many patients have been randomized? I know there was an update during the Investor Day. And also any guidance on the screen failure rate? .

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Thank you for the question. What we did in Investor Day was that -- was to show that this team that we have assembled, what we call the dream team, was not just there in name but was actually functioning extremely well and working extremely hard. And to do so, we actually provided data. And what we showed that in 2 short months, we absolutely exceeded the expectations of recruitment. What we said was that 151 patients have been recruited and were in various stages of noting and randomization. We have not given you any further granularity as to that.

What we have said also is that the screen failure rate is lower than we anticipated and modeled and that we're very pleased with that. And given that our expectation is that most of the patients eventually in SOL-R will come from the outside and not necessarily from the screen failures of SOL-1 because the screen failure rate is so low. That guidance also has not changed.

As you know, as I said earlier, when you reach a critical mass, you enter an exponential phase of recruitment, and we are in that phase. We are very, very pleased with the recruitment of SOL-1. And our belief is now, with the execution of SOL-R, that pace of recruitment will be even further accelerated. And we certainly will give you milestones when appropriate.

[Operator]

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back to Dr. Pravin Dugel for closing remarks.

[Pravin Dugel, executive]

Thank you very much. And again, I'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to join our call today. We look forward to updating you on our progress. If you have any follow-up questions, please reach out to Bill Slattery, our Vice President of Investor Relations. Have a great day, and you may now disconnect the call. Thank you.

[Operator]

This does conclude the Ocular Therapeutix Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Everyone now can disconnect, and have a great day.