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Welcome and thank you for joining the Oaktree Specialty Lending Corporation's Third Fiscal Quarter 2019 Conference Call. Today's conference call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will be prompted for a question-and-answer session following the prepared remarks.
Now I would like to introduce Michael Mosticchio of Investor Relations, who will host today's conference call. Mr. Mosticchio, you may begin.
Thank you, operator, and welcome to Oaktree Specialty Lending Corporation's fiscal third quarter conference call. Our earnings release, which we issued this morning and the accompanying slide presentation can be accessed on the Investors section of our website at oaktreespecialtylending.com.
Our speakers today are Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer, Edgar Lee; Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, Mel Carlisle; and Chief Operating Officer, Matt Pendo. We will be happy to take your questions following their prepared remarks.
Before we begin, I want to remind you that comments on today's call include forward-looking statements reflecting our current views with respect to, among other things, our future operating results and financial performance. Our actual results could differ materially from those implied or expressed in the forward-looking statements. Please refer to our SEC filings for a discussion of these factors further detail.
We undertake no duty to update or revise any forward-looking statements. I'd also like to remind you that nothing on this call constitutes and operated sell or solicitation of an offer to purchase any interest in any Oaktree fund. Investors and others should note that Oaktree Specialty Lending uses the Investors section of its corporate website to announce material information. Accordingly, the company encourages investors, the media and others to visit our corporate website to obtain investor related materials.
With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Edgar.
Thank you, Mike and welcome everyone to our third quarter earnings conference call. We appreciate your interest in OCSL. We are pleased to report another quarter of strong results highlighted again by NAV growth, solid earnings, continued progress, monetizing noncore investments, and ongoing conservative financial position.
NAV per share increased $0.05 from the previous quarter. This marked the sixth straight quarter of NAV growth, demonstrating the solid credit quality of our portfolio and the success of our portfolio repositioning efforts since we started managing OCSL in 2017.
Our portfolio produced net investment income per share of $0.12 in the third quarter, relatively consistent with the first two quarters of the year. Contributing to investment income this quarter were call protection and prepayment fees received on two loans that were paid off during the quarter.
In one instance our $30 million investment in U.S. Wealth Services, a provider of fracking services in oil and gas basins was repaid. As you may recall, this investment was part of a $75 million one-year loan that Oaktree made to the company, which OCSL participated in alongside with other Oaktree funds.
During the quarter, our loan was refinanced, generating an IRR of over 60% and a money multiple of 1.17 times in just over five months. The third quarter was also highlighted by continued progress in repositioning the portfolio as we've realized approximately $27 million from the monetizations of noncore investments. I will discuss one of these exits in more detail later.
Additionally, we maintained a conservative financial position during the quarter. We are exercising caution and discipline given the current market environment and the late stage of the economic cycle and as a result leverage was down slightly to 0.58 times below our long-term target range of 0.70 times to 0.85 times.
That noted, we remain active in the market and are well-positioned to take advantage of market dislocations as we have about $330 million of dry powder for new investments at quarter end.
Now, I would like to share our view on the overall market environment. The competitive lending environment we experienced earlier in the year continued through the most recent quarter. There is a tremendous amount of capital targeting direct lending opportunities, extending a borrower friendly environment, in which some direct lending funds are approaching loan deals aggressively and taking on excessive risk. This translates into credit spreads that continue to be tight and generally covenant structures and terms that we'd find less attractive.
While we are not seeing widespread signs of credit deterioration, increasing number of direct lending funds are experiencing deterioration in several of their loans. These pressures may eventually help encourage a rebalancing of the direct lending market and create more attractive opportunities.
In keeping with our strategy, we continue to focus on the near-term investment objectives we outlined on our last call; maintaining diversity across issuers and industries, focusing on senior secured opportunities; lending to larger more diversified businesses; and seeking borrowers with lower leverage levels. OCSL's portfolio characteristics were generally stable from last quarter.
As of June 30, we had $1.5 billion of investments diversified across 105 companies in 36 industries. 80% of the portfolio was invested in senior secured loans of which 54% first lien. In addition, we continue to weight the portfolio towards larger middle market companies with lower amounts of leverage.
The median annual EBITDA of companies in our investment portfolio increased to $130 million in the quarter, up from $99 million in the same quarter one year ago and 50% -- 57% of our company's generated EBITDA in excess of $100 million. Leverage at our portfolio companies was 5.0 times at quarter end well below the overall market leverage levels of over 5.5 times.
Moving on to our non-core portfolio. As mentioned earlier, we monetized $27 million in non-core investments during the quarter, $21 million of which came from the sale of an airplane in our aviation subsidiary. We were able to complete the sale at a premium to our plane's prior quarter mark, which drove gains of approximately $3 million. Following the sale, our aviation subsidiary's fair value is down to approximately $15 million in just one aircraft.
Notably the remaining plane is an Airbus A320 that is leased to a high-quality counterparty. And as a result, we are confident that we will carry out a successful sale process to exit the remaining balance of this investment. With these monetizations, non-core investments have declined from $893 million, since we began managing OCSL to $273 million as of June 30. Of the remaining non-core investments, five are non-accrual totaling $87 million or 6% of the portfolio at fair value.
We continue to work diligently on maximizing the values of our remaining investments which we expect will continue to occur over time. Given our conservative posture and patient approach, we identified fewer origination opportunities that met our standards in the third quarter. While we evaluated more than 200 potential transactions during the quarter, we originated $67 million across seven investments down from $100 million in the previous quarter.
First lien loans accounted for 94% of the third quarter investments. Three of these transactions were add-on investments to support the growth of existing portfolio companies, while four were new portfolio company investments made across the primary and secondary markets.
The most prominent investment for the quarter was a $40 million loan to Lightbox a commercial real estate data and software provider with market leading positions in certain niches. In aggregate, Oaktree funds lent $90 million to the company and led its $190 million first lien financing. The loan carried an attractive rate at LIBOR plus 500 and a favorable covenant package. The loan is supported by $379 million of equity capital cushion.
The average yield for all of our originations was 8%, down modestly from the previous quarter. Although our conservative approach has muted the overall yield on new investments, we are confident that this is a prudent way to generate income in the near term, especially given the current volatile geopolitical and macroenvironment.
In summary, we are very pleased with our strong third quarter results. We hold a defensive portfolio that we believe will continue to deliver attractive risk-adjusted returns to our shareholders and we believe we are well positioned to navigate the changing market conditions.
With that I'd like to turn the call over to Mel to discuss our financial results in more detail.
That you, Edgar. OCSL reported another quarter of strong financial results. Total investment income was $36.7 million, down slightly from $38.2 million in the second quarter. The $1.6 million decline was due to lowered interest income, including PIK interest income and was partially offset by higher fee income. Interest income was down by $1.4 million quarter-over-quarter, primarily the result of recognizing $4.6 million of non-recurring OID accretion related to Dominion Diagnostics in the second quarter. This was offset by OID acceleration and make-whole interest from payoffs.
PIK interest income was down from the second quarter as we exited our investment in Maverick Healthcare last quarter. Now, nearly all the PIK income we receive is from our investment in Alvatek, a senior secured bond that we originated in the December quarter. Fee income was up during the quarter, primarily driven by prepayment fees that we received from the U.S. Wealth Services repayment.
Operating expenses, excluding management fees and interest were up $141,000, mainly driven by slightly higher professional fees. As a result of these items, net investment income was $16.6 million, down $1.1 million from the prior quarter.
Turning to net asset value. NAV increased to $6.60 per share from $6.55 per share on March 31. Contributing to the sequential increase were income in excess of a dividend and net gains on exited investments. However, offsetting these, were mark-to-market valuation adjustments on some of our holdings. The credit quality of the portfolio remains stable between quarters as no new investments were added to nonaccrual in the quarter.
As of June 30, 6.4% of our debt investments at fair value were on nonaccrual status as compared to 6.1% at March 31. This represents five positions down from six as we exited our investment in Advanced Pain Management which had previously been written down to zero. With respect to leverage, our leverage ratio decreased to 0.58 times from 0.64 times on March 31, as the portfolio shrank slightly during the quarter. We experienced $138 million in payoffs and exits, which was greater than the $74 million of investment fundings.
As of June 30, total debt outstanding was $543 million and had a weighted average interest rate of 5.1%, unchanged from the prior quarter. Cash and cash equivalents were $6 million at quarter end and we had $330 million of undrawn capacity on the revolving credit facility.
Shifting now to the Kemper joint venture. As of June 30, the JV had $349 million of assets invested in senior secured loans to 51 companies. This compared to $347 million of total assets invested in 49 companies last quarter. Leverage at the JV was 1.3 times at June 30, flat with last quarter. During the quarter, we amended and increased the size of the JV's credit facility from $200 million to $250 million and at quarter end the credit facility had $63 million of undrawn capacity.
Now, I will turn the call over to Matt.
Thank you, Mel. We continued to execute on our plan to increase ROE on several fronts which has resulted in solid returns for OCSL. We have steadily exited noninterest-generating investments and further strengthened our foundation of core earning assets. During the quarter, we received proceeds of $6 million from three positions and have rotated out of over $100 million of noninterest-generating investments this fiscal year.
The remaining noninterest-generating investments comprise $152 million or approximately 10% of the portfolio, which represents a significant opportunity to increase overall portfolio yield. Additionally, our efforts to optimize the Kemper JV are contributing nicely to our results. The JV added $17 million in investments across five companies during the quarter, all of these were first lien loans.
As Mel mentioned, the JV increased its credit facility capacity by $50 million to $250 million and now has $63 million of available capacity. We expect that over time the JV will increase leverage as it incrementally adds investments.
Leverage at quarter end was 1.3 times well below the longer-term target of 2.0 times. Furthermore, OCSL has the opportunity to increase returns by deploying more leverage at the portfolio level. We are currently operating at less than 0.6 times. So we do have the ability to enhance returns as we find attractive investments and deploy higher leverage.
Finally, we continue to rotate out of broadly syndicated loans with yields below LIBOR plus 400 basis points positioning the portfolio for improved yield. During the third quarter, we owned $20 million of these lower-yielding broadly syndicated loans down from $32 million in the second quarter. Over time we plan to replace these investments with higher-yielding proprietary investments.
Now turning to the dividend. Our board approved a $0.95 dividend today maintaining the level of the five prior quarters. As you know, we are determined to pay sustainable and consistent dividends supported by portfolio performance. And lastly, I want to provide an update on the proxy initiatives that we put before shareholders with respect to the pending Brookfield transaction with Oaktree as well as modifying the asset coverage requirements applicable to OCSL.
As you may recall in light of Brookfield Asset Management's merger agreement with the parent of our investment advisor, Oaktree Capital Group we sought shareholder approval of a new Investment Advisory Agreement between Oaktree and OCSL. The new Investment Advisory Agreement will become effective when the merger closes. Notably, other than changing the date of its effectiveness, the terms of the new Investment Advisory Agreement remain unchanged from those in the existing agreement.
At the same time, we asked shareholders to approve an increase in our leverage limits by modifying our asset coverage requirements. Importantly, we sought this change in order to provide us with additional operating flexibility to deploy capital as the market becomes more favorable. As a reminder, with these new leverage limits our base management fee will be reduced to 1% on all assets financed using leverage above 1 times debt-to-equity.
We are pleased to report that both of these proposals received overwhelming approval from shareholders and we thank all those that voted their shares and participated in the meeting. In conclusion, as we look to the remainder of this fiscal year and into 2020 we are confident we have positioned the portfolio for continued strong results. We will strategically deleverage Oaktree's expertise and resources to identify attractive risk-adjusted investment opportunities that deliver value to our shareholders.
Thank you for joining us on today's call and for your continued interest in OCSL. With that, we're happy to take your questions.
Operator, please open the lines.
We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Chris York of JMP Securities. Please go ahead.
Good morning or good afternoon, guys. And thanks for taking my questions. So maybe Edgar or Matt, I just have one question this morning. So I calculated the payout ratio of your earnings fiscal year-to-date I think it's below 80% and that's below the 90% threshold generally associated with maintaining a BDC's reg status.
So the question is two-fold. Are there historical tax loss carry forwards that are currently shielding the distribution requirement and the payment of excise taxes? And then when can investor expect a dividend increase to a level closer to your earnings?
So on the -- Rick, it's Matt -- or sorry Chris. On the last part of your question the things that we're focused on as I said before is really the earnings in the portfolio translating into the dividends. And in the first and second quarters, we had some non-recurring non-cash items related to OID accretion accruals, particularly with Dominion.
And in the current quarter we had higher interest and fee income related to U.S. Wealth so it was about $3.5 million and Dominion was $1.2 million. So those are items that we've had in the most recent quarters. So we're kind of waiting to work through those. Obviously it's a volatile environment out there right now around interest rates and markets. So we're kind of weighing all those things as we pour through it.
In terms of the specifics on the tax, I want to circle back with you there's -- we obviously watched that and there's spillover and ways to manage it. So I don't have a specific number for you right now.
Okay. Just so -- to be clear on the earnings, so what would you think is the core net investment income, I guess this quarter that would be comparable to your dividend? So if I calculate a payout ratio adjusting for some of those one-time items what would we use in that denominator?
Well, I mean the payout ratio is -- that we've kind of targeted is kind of in the low 90s of net investment income. There's -- every quarter there's been as I mentioned before kind of OID accretion or fees et cetera. So it's really -- and those are really hard to predict quarter-to-quarter. So if you run your models and look at the steady state in investment income the other thing that we're focused on is taking some of the nonaccruals and turning them into accruing assets. So all those are just various inputs we have. I don't want to give you the specific projection, but you can use that to through your models.
So, that’s it for me. Thanks.
And Chris if I can just add to what Matt mentioned, if you look at our dividend stream over time over the past year, it's been a combination of return of capital as well as an income dividend. For investors, it's actually been quite advantageous because in our return of capital there's a tax efficiency associated with it because we do have a significant amount of net operating losses, which again provide some tax efficiency to those distributions in those circumstances.
And then just a follow-up. Is that the reason why you're not accruing any excise tax because you have those NOLs?
Exactly. There's a certain amount of -- because of return of capital versus income distributions.
Okay. Thanks for clarifying that. That’s it.
Our next question comes from Rick Shane of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Hey guys. Thanks for taking my questions this morning. I just want to talk a little bit about ongoing portfolio rotation. You cited specifically $130 million of assets that are generating income and we can all do the math on what that would represent from a P&L perspective.
I am curious though and again I understand that leverage is a very fungible concept and that you guys have leverage capacity with the new rules. But are those investments that in -- within your discipline are underlevered? And so as that capital is recycled, would we actually expect to see not only a migration to earning assets but actually more than $130 million of assets replacing that?
So Rick it's an interesting way to look at those assets. I don't think we quite think of it as methodically as you do in that sense, it's really a reflection of what are the investment opportunities in front of us and do we think they reflect good risk/reward. So while you are correct in your statement that theoretically the $130 million of assets are underlevered even if we translate those $130 million into cash and then we redeploy the $130 million into new loans. While we could lever those loans up, and therefore, net deploy well in excess of $130 million we may not do so if we can't find enough good assets to investment in beyond the $130 million for example.
Yeah. I don't think -- look -- go ahead.
Just to pick up on -- it's Matt what Edgar said, the leverage -- the portfolio leverage we run isn't influenced by the non-accruals, it's influenced by the investment opportunities.
Got it. Look, and I agree with you in that, and I think it's part of the strong philosophy of the company, which is that you don't solve for how big the portfolio should be. The portfolio size is defined by the opportunity that you guys perceive. But I am, at the same time, assuming that that opportunity does present itself curious about how big -- how that pool of capital could be translated into facing that opportunity.
You are absolutely right Rick on that point. If you think about the total earnings potential of the company, if we were able to translate that $130 million into accruing assets, and lever those assets the earnings opportunity here could be meaningfully larger than what they are today.
On that point about leverage, we do have a significant amount of what we consider sort of dry powder here available to invest in the marketplace. As we commented in our prepared remarks, and as you've seen in our materials, leverage has declined at the company this past quarter.
Part of that is a reflection of a strong refinancing environment and part of that is a reflection of us not being satisfied with the types of opportunities that are -- we're seeing before us today. That is not a reflection of not necessarily finding enough -- or originating enough opportunities. It's just a reflection of we don't necessarily like the opportunities before us. I think that's served us well.
As we begin Q3 or we've begun August here, we've seen a significant amount of volatility. And you've heard folks at Oaktree in the past probably comment about market is priced for perfection. Our general view was as we were approaching the end of Q2 that the market was really priced for perfection
A lot of aggressive behaviors in the marketplace and ones, that we just did not just feel comfortable with. And I think as we've seen in August as the markets have sold off, especially equity markets on Monday, we can see that people didn't leave a large margin for error and we saw some pretty significant downward pressure on the marketplace and a significant amount of anxiety in the markets these days.
And we're hopeful that those anxieties will continue to escalate to a certain extent, because it will position us well to take advantage of those because we are -- we aren't in our optimal leverage target right now, and we do have the ability to deploy a significant amount of capital still.
Great. Thank you so much, guys.
Our next question comes from Ryan Lynch of KBW. Please go ahead.
Hey. Good morning. If I look at your guys' leverage over the last several quarters, it just continues to kind of tick lower. I wondered if you could kind of comment what you think is the main driver. Is it more of a lack of an opportunity set of new investments given the competitive environment? Is it more that you guys are kind of pushing investments out trying to exit them as you rotate the portfolio? Or is this just some intentional positioning for lower leverage given that we are just later in a credit cycle?
I think it's a little bit of the latter of the last two points you made. A couple of thoughts around your comments. One as you saw in Q4 of last year, our deployment of capital picked up quite a bit and that was because in Q4 we saw some pretty significant market disruptions as all of you are aware of.
When those disruptions happen, what we see consistently over time is that direct lenders or private credit funds tend to step back from the marketplace. You would think that that is the time when these funds would step into the marketplace, but what we find consistently is that they step back from the marketplace which creates really interesting opportunities for us.
So as markets get weaker our deployment tends to pick up. It's not always the case, but it tends to pick up in a pretty meaningful way, one. Two, when we look at the market place overall, it really -- we look at it in terms of a risk/reward basis. A lot of managers might look at investments or loans that they make in terms of a yield perspective that they can make 6% yield or an 8% yield.
We really look at it as what's the reward? How many dollars can I make? And what's the potential for us to lose dollars here? How many bps or therefore how many dollars can we lose? And what we were seeing in this past quarter and we've seen it over the beginning part of this year as the market has been very strong was that that risk/reward ratio was increasingly becoming unfavorable and it didn't make sense for us as fiduciaries to be investing our investors dollars into that and into what we considered suboptimal situations.
As you can see and you've seen from other BDCs other direct lenders you hear, it anecdotally in the market place there have been plenty of managers who have made some pretty poor quality loans to one have capital deployed; but two did it because they thought they could earn an incremental 1% per year; but three unfortunately have been suffering losses of 20 to 30 points. And when we look at those risk/reward ratios, we struggle to see how those are prudent situations to get involved in where to make one point a year incremental, you have to take on the risk of losing 20 to 30 points to the downside.
And that's what we were seeing in the market place and we've seen more loans start to really struggle in the marketplace. And we saw fewer good quality opportunities and therefore really decided to curtail some of our lending activity in the short term. Having said that, I would caution investors to not measure us from quarter-to-quarter, but rather think of it -- take a longer term view. And as we mentioned in our prepared remarks on U.S. Wealth Services for example that loan was a loan that we made in Q4 at a time that market was dislocating. We were refinanced out of that loan. We generated an IRR well over 60%.
The money multiple on that loan at five points was 1.17 times money. If you think about a traditional loan that you would make in today's environment, if we had done it in Q2 that loan probably would have generated about maybe a 9% IRR on an unlevered basis with a money multiple maybe of 1.1 times 1.2 times over a two- to three-year period.
So if I can find opportunities in a marketplace where we can generate high IRRs, good money multiples and manage our downside risk, but that comes with the lumpiness of capital deployment from quarter-to-quarter I would rather take that than introduce our investors to significant downside risk just to have our originations and leverage up in a single quarter.
That's good color and I definitely agree on focusing on the longer-term as well as not reaching for one point at the risk of losing 20 on the downside. And that kind of brings me to my next question. On slide 15, you guys outlined four opportunities to increase your return on equity. And certainly, I would points two through four are all opportunities that rely on finding attractive investments in the market to deploy capital into growing leverage, utilization of the JV with Kemper and rotating to higher-yielding proprietary investments.
If the market conditions for direct lending remain unchanged as they are today, which as you've explained are pretty tight and pretty competitive how confident are you that you can successfully achieve those opportunities that you've outlined particularly opportunities two through four which rely on an attractive opportunities in the market?
So it's Matt. I think if you look back as we've take over as the manager here, I think we've done -- we've taken action in points one through four. And I think every quarter there'll be different levels of activity. As Edgar mentioned, given the investment environment we saw in the last quarter our originations were lower. But as Edgar mentioned, U.S. Wealth we did that loan a year ago. We've done things like Allan Media take over as managers. So I think you can see opportunities since we've taken over really in the last year, even in the last two quarters, we have been able to put on some higher-yielding proprietary investments and pour.
If you look over the last couple of quarters, we have put additional investments in Kemper, so we've done that. The leverage target is number two that we haven't done. In terms of just looking at the numbers here, we've taken in the last year leverage down from 0.75 to 0.58. So that one we're just waiting with dry powder for the opportunity to deploy. But all these things in the last year quarter-to-quarter, we've done. So we still feel pretty confident we can do that, but it's – we're going to be thoughtful and opportunistic. And every day things change as we've seen this week, so that creates opportunities for us.
But don't those opportunities going forward really depend on your guys view and the attractiveness of deploying capital into the market which can be out of your control?
Yeah. Although, I mean, Ryan like the last – the private credit direct lending environment for the last year has been pretty robust and we still manage to get stuff done so – but we're going to be choosy and picky.
Ryan, I think a couple of things worth noting. One as we've said in the past, we encourage investors to think about investments in our portfolio on a total return basis not just on an interest income bearing basis. So while our total assets in the portfolio or our leverage may have been declining what doesn't accurately necessarily get reflected in financials LTM financials and others in the BDC space is the capital appreciation upside.
We're little bit different than other BDCs, because of the nature of this portfolio in that there is a pretty significant amount of equities and other opportunities here that are trading or have a fair market value below par that create potential for capital appreciation in the future. Obviously, there's no guarantee that'll be created. But I think, if you look at our past performance, over the last couple of years since managing the portfolio that there has been a pretty decent amount of capital appreciation that has been created.
So we can create value for shareholders, even if we don't necessarily increase leverage in the short-term. And I'd encourage people not to discount that certainly. Two, in terms of some of the points that have been outlined on page 15, a couple of things to think about when you think about the optimal leverage on a portfolio or your ability to lever a portfolio.
If we think about it in the context of a commercial bank perspective, where you're looking at net interest margin, over the last several quarters as we've been driving down the cost of our capital by renegotiating our credit facility cost of capital with our borrowers by refinancing at high-cost fixed-rate debt and so on and so forth, we're actually creating the opportunity for us to basically use that leverage in a way and take advantage of a market where our yields overall are coming down, but we're creating or we're increasing our ability to generate NIM by driving down our cost of liabilities which allows us theoretically to push up our leverage levels over time, again, if we find interesting investment opportunities.
The – when we think about the investing environment where we say that we're more cautious that is absolutely true but that doesn't mean that we don't find opportunities coming up. What ends up happening though is when the market is very strong and you have a strong lending environment, the opportunities come in the door in a more episodic way as opposed to a consistent way.
And so in Q3 or in any future quarter, it's quite possible that even if the market is strong that we all of a sudden see a pretty significant pickup in our net deployment just because there were some unique situations that were able to identify or create that just happened to match up with a particular quarter.
So I wouldn't look at our histories and say that that is necessarily a good predictor of our future deployment, because of the nature of the lending that we do it can be episodic and -- at points in time and it doesn't necessarily always correlate to the overall lending environment.
On this point about the Kemper JV, it is an area and a tool that we are utilizing today. Unfortunately, because when markets are very strong we do experience a fair amount of refinancings. And so sometimes when markets are very strong that treadmill picks up speed quite a bit, but we do look at the Kemper JV as a tool. Especially in periods where we may not find as many attractive overall opportunities, we do use that as a tool to enhance ROEs and we think that's a great tool for us to use in more robust environments for sure.
Okay. That's very helpful commentary. Those are all my questions. I appreciate the time today.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Kyle Joseph of Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, guys, and thanks for answering my questions. Most have been asked and answered, but I just wanted to follow-up. You guys have referenced some volatility picking up recently in the market. You guys obviously have a portfolio of over 100 companies. At the company specific level, have you seen any changes in terms of top line or EBITDA growth trends in your portfolio?
That's a great question and thank you for the question. I would say that generally things have been stable. I would say that we are seeing slowing growth as a general comment and that's because of the breadth of our portfolio, we get -- and for that matter the breadth of the Oaktree platform, we get a pretty good view into the U.S. economy, because we touch so many industries here at Oaktree.
And I would just generally say that, it's been more sluggish. I wouldn't say that we're seeing negative trends necessarily, it's just not as robust as maybe where we were a year ago.
Okay. And then one follow-up on that. So given a little bit more sluggishness, a shifting rate environment, have you seen any sort of shifts in terms of competitor strategies? Any higher demand for fixed rate debt or anything like that over the last few months?
Not that I can think of off the top of my head. Not really a dramatic shift.
Okay. Got it. Thanks for answering my questions.
Our next question comes from Finian O'Shea of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Hi. Good morning. Just a couple on co-investment. Can you remind us on the private credit platform? Is there a specific direct lending cohort, whether it be the BDC and more similar funds that are able to eat first on the allocation -- on the origination you generate and then have a broader overflow claim for your broader private credit group? Or is the whole group entitled to deal flow based on allocable capital?
So thank you for the question Fin. So under our exemptive relief order, every strategy that could participate in a private direct loan that meets Board established criteria has the opportunity to participate -- or has a requirement I should say to show us all of their opportunities through the BDC. The reverse does not hold true. But every opportunity that any other strategy at Oaktree -- that is generated by any other strategy at Oaktree that meets the Board established criteria, they must show those opportunities to the BDC.
The BDC will then -- and the team managing the BDC will evaluate those opportunities. If we would like to participate in those opportunities, we will put an order in for that opportunity and all the other strategies that -- or that strategy that originated the opportunity has to put in an order as well.
They will be allocated their pro rata amounts, of that opportunity based on their order size. And the order size will be based on in part by portfolio criteria and demands strategy as well as just available lending or investing capacity.
That's very helpful. And you were saying, though in the sense of the reverse the -- from your group, as it relates to the BDC, the Oaktree, Specialty Lending, eats what it wants and then its overflow. Is that what you were saying as well?
So any opportunity that is originated by the investment team, that manages the BDCs here, those opportunities do not have to be shown to any other strategy at Oaktree. Under the exemptive relief order they are not required to do so.
So to the extent, for example, if we had a $500 million private loan opportunity, and the BDCs collectively that are managed by the strategic credit group, only wanted to participate in $100 million of that loan, there would technically be $400 million of available -- loan available.
The BDCs could then go to the balance of Oaktree. And ask does any other strategy want to participate in that loan? But those are the ones that would effectively serve as the overflow theoretically under the exemptive relief order. And I am talking specifically to the exemptive relief order.
All right, well, I appreciate the color and one more on origination. Does the advisor or any affiliate of the advisor receive economics from the upfront work before allocating to the BDC?
No.
Very well, thanks for taking my questions.
Our next question is a follow-up from Chris York of JMP Securities. Please go ahead.
Yes. Thanks, just one follow-up strategic question. So presumably a component of the investment thesis of Oaktree to acquire the contracts of both BDCs from Fifth Street was to potentially take advantage of future disruption among direct lenders.
And then utilize the managers to distress, the expertise which you've done a good job of demonstrating with the resolution of your non-core investments. So now we've started to see some BDCs, acquire some subscale BDCs.
And we expect BDC, M&A to continue. So, the question to you is, do you consider yourself as a strategic buyer of either other BDCs or portfolios today?
Both theoretically.
The answer is yes.
No. We -- it's a great question, Chris. And obviously, there's been a number of BDCs and portfolios setup and transacting over the last couple of quarters. Oaktree doesn't generally comment on our M&A, strategy, other than it would say that we'll explore and look at all of these opportunities. And if they make sense we will pursue them.
Yeah. And whether it's an exciting BDC or a portfolio we look at all those. I think --to your point, I think, we have the scale and expertise to do those types of things.
And we would expect -- I personally would expect to see more of those opportunities present, themselves, over the next year.
I mean you're starting to see a few kind of subscale BDCs continue to have -- or start to have more credit issues.
Great thanks. Matt thanks again.
We have no further questions, Mr. Mosticchio.
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