Nutanix Inc

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Earnings Call Transcript 2023-Q1

[Operator]

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Nutanix’s Fiscal First Quarter 2023 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker for today, Rich Valera. You may begin.

[Rich Valera, Investor Relations]

Good afternoon and welcome to today’s conference call to discuss the results of our fiscal first quarter of 2023. Joining me today are Rajiv Ramaswami, Nutanix’s President and CEO; and Rukmini Sivaraman, Nutanix’s CFO. After the market closed today, Nutanix issued a press release announcing financial results for its fiscal first quarter of 2023. If you would like to read the release, please visit the Press Releases section of our IR website.

During today’s call, management will make forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our business plans, strategies, initiatives, vision, objectives and outlook including our financial guidance as well as our ability to execute hereon successfully and in a timely manner and the benefits and impact thereof on our business, operations and financial results, our financial performance and targets and use of new or different performance metrics in future periods, expectations regarding profitability, our competitive position and market opportunity, the timing and impact of our current and future business model transitions, the factors driving our growth, macroeconomic, geopolitical and industry trends, including global supply chain challenges and the current and anticipated impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and related effects. These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, some of which are beyond our control, which could cause actual results to differ materially and adversely from those anticipated by these statements. For a more detailed description of these and other risks and uncertainties, please refer to our SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K for fiscal year ended July 31, 2022 as well as our earnings press release issued today. These forward-looking statements apply as of today and we undertake no obligation to revise these statements after this call. As a result, you should not rely on them as representing our views in the future.

Please note, unless otherwise specifically referenced, all financial measures we use on today’s call, except for revenue, are expressed on a non-GAAP basis and have been adjusted to exclude certain charges. We have provided, to the extent available, reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures on our IR website and in our earnings press release.

Lastly, Nutanix management will be participating in the Raymond James Technology Investors Conference in New York on December 6 and the Barclays Global TMT Conference in San Francisco on December 7. Nutanix will also be holding an Investor Day in New York City on Tuesday, April 4, 2023. So please save the date and we’ll be following up with more details in the coming weeks.

And with that, I will turn the call over to Rajiv. Rajiv?

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Thank you, Rich and good afternoon everyone. Against a volatile macro backdrop, we delivered a good first quarter. We exceeded all of our guided metrics and saw continued strong performance in our renewals business. Supply chain constraints with our server partners while remaining a headwind improved somewhat compared with the prior quarter.

With respect to the macro backdrop, in our first quarter, we continue to see businesses prioritizing their digital transformation and data center modernization initiatives enabled by our platform. We have seen anecdotal evidence of increased inspection of deals by customers, which we believe is likely related to the more uncertain macro backdrop. We continue to factor this uncertainty into our outlook for the remainder of the fiscal year.

Taking a closer look at the first quarter, we delivered ACV billings and revenue above our guidance, driven by strong continued performance of our renewals business. We again demonstrated good expense management coming in slightly below our OpEx targets. Top line outperformance, combined with diligent expense management, enabled us to achieve positive non-GAAP operating income for the first time, another milestone in our drive towards sustainable, profitable growth. Finally, strong billings linearity and collections contributed to generation of $46 million of free cash flow, meaningfully exceeding our breakeven target and continuing our strong recent free cash flow performance.

Overall, I am pleased with our financial performance in the first quarter. Our first quarter is typically a stronger one for our federal business and this one was no exception. Our largest customer in the quarter was a federal civilian agency that was already a significant user of Nutanix’s cloud platform, including our unified storage and database automation solutions as well as Nutanix Cloud Clusters or NC2, on AWS for bursting additional resource capacity into the public cloud. This customer added additional cybersecurity workloads to the Nutanix Cloud Platform, reflecting their confidence in the ability of our platform to handle their most business-critical applications and resulting in a substantial expansion order for us. We see this customer as a great example of how we are able to land and expand with some of the largest organizations in the world.

On the product and partnership front, we achieved an important milestone in realizing our hybrid multi-cloud vision with the general availability of NC2 on Microsoft Azure. Now with support of AWS, Azure and service provider cloud environment, we continue to deliver on our hybrid multi-cloud vision. Our customers have the ability to rapidly and seamlessly shift their workloads between their private clouds and the largest public cloud providers, with a consistent management, governance and data services provided by the Nutanix Cloud Platform, all without the time and expense of refactoring their workloads.

One of our early customers for NC2 on Azure is Unum Group, a Fortune 500 financial services provider, who is part of our customer preview program. Unum chose NC2 on Azure, because they were looking to leverage our seamless hybrid multi-cloud platform for disaster recovery as well as to migrate and run their workloads in Azure without having to refactor their applications. They are also looking to take advantage of the ability to expand their Nutanix cloud platform to different Azure regions on demand.

Another exciting development on the product front is the recent enhancements we made to our platform to accelerate adoption of Kubernetes-based applications in the enterprise. In keeping with our philosophy of offering customers choice throughout the stack, we added Amazon’s Kubernetes service to an already long list of supported Kubernetes container platforms, including Red Hat, OpenShift, SUSE Rancher, Google Anthos, Azure Arc and our native Nutanix Kubernetes Engine. We also added built-in infrastructure as core capabilities and advanced cloud-native data services for modern applications, both of which will enhance the Nutanix cloud platform’s ability to efficiently run Kubernetes applications at scale.

Go-to-market leverage is one of my top priorities and we saw progress across a number of partner categories in the first quarter. In the public cloud category, our customers are now able to get on-demand consumption of Nutanix software through Azure marketplace, facilitating frictionless license procurement and movement of workloads between private cloud and Azure. For our channel partners, we updated our Elevate Partner Program ecosystem, which enhanced incentives to encourage and enable these partners to sell Nutanix into net new accounts and to drive opportunities through the entire sales cycle autonomously. In addition, we rolled out training designed to enable partners to speed up sales cycles through rapid capacity planning, quoting and order fulfillment, thereby generating more leverage for our sales rep.

Finally, our two largest new customer wins in the quarter were in partnership with a global leader in data center colocation and interconnection services and part of our service provider program. We are encouraged by the early progress we are seeing with service providers and see good growth potential in our service provider-related businesses as we add additional partners and enhancements to our platform, supporting service provider business models.

One of these service provider wins was from an EMEA-based publishing and education company that was looking to modernize and consolidate their data center footprint while having disaster recovery capability in AWS. They chose our Nutanix cloud platform, including Nutanix cloud management to run their business-critical applications, leveraging its simplicity and built-in automation for Infrastructure as a Service. They also added Nutanix unified storage to service their unstructured data needs. We see this as a great example of a customer adopting our full stack offering to consolidate and modernize their IT infrastructure.

And now, I’d like to talk about the industry recognition we continue to receive for our solutions. For the second year in a row, Nutanix was named a visionary in Gartner’s Magic Quadrant for Distributed File Systems and Object Storage. We believe our improved position within the Visionary Quadrant this year reflects advances in customer traction, go-to-market efforts, enhanced product capabilities, and an expanded ecosystem for our Nutanix unified storage solution. With customers needing a simple and secure way to manage and protect their data, this recognition highlights the advantages of Nutanix unified storage.

In closing, I’d like to provide some thoughts on our priorities and outlook. First, our overarching priority remains driving towards sustainable profitable growth through judicious investment in the business, execution on a growing base of renewals, and diligent expense management. Our achievement of positive non-GAAP operating income in the first quarter represents tangible progress towards this goal. The strength of our business model is underpinned by a growing base of renewals and the strong value proposition of our platform in an uncertain macro landscape. I remain confident in our ability to continue to capitalize on the vast opportunity in front of us while driving towards sustainable, profitable growth.

And with that, I’ll hand it over to Rukmini Sivaraman. Rukmini?

[Rukmini Sivaraman, Chief Financial Officer]

Thank you, Rajiv. I will first walk through our Q1 results, followed by our outlook for Q2 and then finally, provide an update on our fiscal year ‘23 outlook.

Q1 ‘23 was a good quarter with results that came in better than our guidance and across all guided metrics. ACV billings in Q1 was $232 million, higher than our guidance of $210 million to $215 million and representing a year-over-year growth of 27%. A significant majority of that growth came from growth in renewals billings. Revenue in Q1 was $434 million, higher than our guidance of $410 million to $415 million and a year-over-year growth rate of 15%.

ARR at the end of Q1 was $1.281 billion, a year-over-year growth of 34%. New logo additions were about 530 in Q1. Contract duration decreased quarter-over-quarter to 3 years as expected, partly due to a seasonally higher mix of U.S. federal business that typically has shorter contract durations. As described previously, the percentage of orders with future start dates continue to be a key assumption in our Q1 guidance. This percentage came in lower than it was in Q4 ‘22 and slightly below our expectations.

Q1 revenue also benefited approximately $12 million from the improvement in percentage of future start dates from Q4 to Q1 as more license revenue was recognized in quarter than deferred. Non-GAAP gross margin in Q1 was 83% because of our higher-than-expected revenue performance. Non-GAAP operating margin in Q1 was positive 2%, our first quarter of positive non-GAAP operating profit and a proof point of our ongoing focus on profitable growth.

Non-GAAP operating expenses in Q1 were $351 million, better than our guidance of $360 million to $365 million, and included about $2 million of benefit from favorable currency exchange rates in the quarter. Non-GAAP net income was $8 million or EPS of $0.03 per share based on weighted average shares outstanding of approximately 275 million shares. We are happy to report positive net income and EPS for the first time in the history of Nutanix.

Billings linearity was very good in Q1 and better than our expectations. DSOs were 18 days in Q1, a demonstration of good linearity and strong collections. We expect DSOs to trend back up to historical levels going forward. The strong billings linearity and collections contributed to free cash flow generation of $46 million in Q1, significantly better than our expectations. We also collected in Q1 about $10 million of invoices due in early Q2.

We are finding that while our cash collections remain strong, there is a normal level of variation in timing of payments from quarter-to-quarter. Going forward and given our transition into positive free cash flow generation, we expect to provide color on free cash flow on an annual basis.

A brief note on severance payments related to our reduction in force that we announced in August. One, we expect the severance payments to total about $17 million rather than our previously estimated range of $20 million to $25 million; and two, about $6 million of the approximately $17 million in severance payments are being delayed to Q2, mainly in non-U.S. regions when we had previously assumed that the full amount would be paid in Q1. We ended Q1 with cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments of $1.388 billion, up slightly from $1.324 billion in Q4 ‘22.

Moving on to Q2 outlook. The guidance for Q2 ‘23 is as follows: ACV billings of $245 million to $260 million, implying a year-over-year growth rate of 13% at the midpoint. Revenue of $460 million to $470 million, a year-over-year growth of 13% at the midpoint, non-GAAP gross margin of 82% to 83%, non-GAAP operating margin of approximately 5% to 10%, weighted average shares outstanding of approximately 279 million shares.

I’ll now provide some more context around our Q2 guidance. First, the top line guidance for Q2 assumes that supply chain dynamics for our server partners would remain more or less the same compared to Q1 ‘23. Second, it assumes that contract durations would stay approximately flat in Q2 ‘23 compared to Q1 ‘23. Third, the revenue guidance includes approximately $10 million of revenue benefit from the decline in percentage of orders with future start dates over the last few months. Said differently, we expect to recognize more license revenue in Q2 than is deferred similar to the dynamic we saw in Q1. Over time, as our partner supply chain constraints resolve and our future start date percentages normalize, we would expect this dynamic to normalize as well.

I will now provide an update on our full year 2023 guidance. While we had a good Q1 and our renewals business continues to provide a strong foundation for growth and efficiency, the macro environment remains uncertain, and we believe it is prudent to remain cautious in our full year top line guide, which remains unchanged. We also remain focused on disciplined expense management and are, therefore, raising our operating margin and free cash flow outlook for the year.

Our guidance for full year fiscal year 2023 is as follows: ACV billings guidance remains unchanged at $895 million to $900 million, year-over-year growth of 19% at the midpoint. Revenue guidance remains unchanged at $1.77 billion to $1.78 billion, year-over-year growth of 12% at the midpoint, non-GAAP gross margin of 82% to 83% and non-GAAP operating margin of 2% to 4%.

I’ll now provide some color on our full year guidance. First, similar to our comments last quarter, the full year guidance assumes that contract durations would decrease slightly compared to fiscal year ‘22. The fiscal year ‘23 revenue guidance also assumes that the percentage of orders with future start dates would remain more or less the same in Q2 compared to Q1 and would start to ease slightly in the second half of the fiscal year.

Second, the demand for our solutions continues and we are seeing continued new and expansion opportunities. However, as Rajiv mentioned, we have started to see some anecdotal evidence of increased inspection on deals which we believe is likely related to the more uncertain macro backdrop and which could potentially lead to an increase in sales cycles. We have considered this dynamic and the uncertain macro environment in our guidance.

We expect that the significant majority of our growth in ACV billings for fiscal year ‘23 will come from growth in renewals ACV billings. With the uncertainty in the macro environment factored into our expectations for new and expansion ACV billings. At the same time, our continued focus on expense management and operating discipline enables us to increase our operating margin and free cash flow outlook for the year. Which is a good segue to the third point, which is that we expect to deliver about $100 million to $125 million of free cash flow for fiscal year ‘23, an increase from our prior expectations of $75 million to $100 million. Finally, a note on seasonality. As we look ahead to the second half, we expect to see a low double-digit percentage decline quarter-over-quarter in ACV billings in the third quarter followed by a low double-digit percentage increase quarter-over-quarter in ACV billings in the fourth quarter.

In closing, we are pleased that our Q1 results reflect our continued execution towards our stated objective of sustainable, profitable growth, and we expect to continue that focus. We look forward to sharing more about our medium-term outlook during our Investor Day in April 2023, as Rich referenced.

With that, operator, please open the line for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Jim Fish with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

[Jim Fish, Piper Sandler]

Hey, guys. Great quarter in the wake of this kind of macro environment, and that gets me to my question of why has demand for hyperconverged really remains strong in this kind of difficult macro spending environment? And really, the crux of my question here is how much of the current strength in numbers here is due to that backlog build and deferral from fiscal Q3 of last year versus what you’re booking during this quarter?

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Yes, Tim, thank you for the question. Rajiv here. First of all, I think, as we’ve said, we’ve got a good, strong and growing base of renewals. And that’s performing well and that certainly helped reduce the risk in the model. And as we did say, we have taken into account a little bit of this uncertainty in the macro environment in our guidance. We have built some conservatism in terms of IT spending. And I wouldn’t necessarily say that HCI is completely immune from a potential slowdown in IT spending. But HCI per se produces better TCO compared to legacy architecture, and it’s a foundation for the hybrid cloud. So from that perspective, customers can actually save money by moving to HCI from traditional legacy architectures. So so far, when you look at the macro again, we’ve seen greater inspection of deals by some customers, which could potentially lead to an increase in sales cycles but we have factored this into our guidance.

[Rukmini Sivaraman, Chief Financial Officer]

And I’ll take the backlog portion of that question. Hi, Jim, so as you point out, we had noted when we announced our fiscal ‘22 results that we ended fiscal ‘22 with a record level of backlog, which, combined with our growing base of renewals, as Rajiv said, provided a foundation for our growth in fiscal ‘23 and helped overall reduce the risk inherent in our forecast. So in the first quarter, consistent with our expectations and consistent with typical seasonality, we did use some backlog. And the only other comment I’d add is that given the unusually high level of backlog we entered the year with, I think some of which was related to our partners, supply chain issues, we would expect that over the course of the year, we would likely consume some backlog.

[Jim Fish, Piper Sandler]

Makes sense. And if I could sneak in one more. Rajiv, a bunch of your customer commentary kind of focused on around cloud and trying to understand how much of the focus on customers is about optimizing cloud spending and how much that is helping Nutanix this past and current quarter as that’s one of the biggest line items for IT spending? Thanks, guys.

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Yes. And again, that’s a good question. Increasingly, more and more of our conversations with our customers are around how can we efficiently help them operate in this multi-cloud environment. Many of our customers have looked at public cloud. They have moved to the public cloud in portions and they are also realizing that it can be expensive. And so what we tell them is that we can actually help them take their existing workloads and move it and run it very efficiently in the public cloud, and we can save money and optimize how we do it for them. So yes, it’s an increasing part of our conversation. I think the broader theme here is almost with every customer that I talk to, we are talking about how to help them operate well in a multi-cloud world and how we can save them money, how we can make it simpler for them, both from an ongoing CapEx cost, but also in terms of the people side of this equation in terms of having a consistent operating environment where you don’t have to have different teams to operate each of these cloud environments. So it’s very much becoming a centerpiece of many of our conversations there.

[Jim Fish, Piper Sandler]

Thanks. Great quarter, guys.

[Operator]

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

[Meta Marshall, Morgan Stanley]

Great. Thanks. Maybe I just wanted to see if you could give more color on just kind of the macro impact that you’re seeing. Clearly, you talked about not impacting the renewal business, but just are there regions or customer types – or just any other color as far as kind of the second set of eyes that are maybe needed to get a deal across the line. And then maybe just as a second question for me, just kind of given M&A within this space? How are you maybe taking advantage of the acquisition of – or pending acquisitions of competitors? Thanks.

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Yes. I think two good questions there, Meta. And on the first one, there is multiple portions to this. As you said, the renewals business is largely a steady state, not impacted by the uncertain macro. Now in terms of the uncertain macro, we’ve taken some of that into our account – into account when we give you a conservative forecast. To your point, we have seen anecdotal evidence of greater inspection of deals by some customers. And what that also means is that potentially there could be an increase in sales cycles. We haven’t quite seen that as much yet happening, but this is an indication of what might be coming. And we have factored those in, in terms of our guidance per se. Now, Rukmini you may want to comment on the foreign FX impact as well here in terms of the macro.

[Rukmini Sivaraman, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. Well I will do that and then I can hand it back to you on the more broader question on M&A. So, obviously, the dollar has strengthened. I think as we all know, our sales contracts are all denominated in U.S. dollars. And so that relative strengthening has effectively made our products more expensive to customers in some international markets. And so anecdotally, and this is not something we have seen systemically, but we have seen it sort of put pressure on some price negotiations and some transactions. And we don’t believe that, that’s causing us to lose deals. But anecdotally, we have seen it show up in some transactions.

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Yes. And Meta, on the other question around how other M&A activity is potentially impacting us, yes, we have all – we are all reading the news around Broadcom acquiring VMware. And what we have seen as a result of that is a significantly higher level of engagement from prospective customers. These customers are looking to explore their options looking at managing potential risks related to the transaction. Now as you know, our sales cycles, especially for larger deals tend to be 9 months to 12 months. So, we are not assuming any significant benefit from that in our fiscal ‘23 outlook. But I can certainly tell you that the volume of conversations with these customers and prospective customers around this topic has increased, and we are a good alternative provider.

[Meta Marshall, Morgan Stanley]

Great. Thanks so much.

[Operator]

Thank you. Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Pinjalim Bora with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. This is [indiscernible] for Pinjalim. So, my first question is, what are you hearing from customers with respect to new IT transformation projects in the current macro environment? Like do you think that it might take a backseat and people might move back towards the third tier architecture temporarily?

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Yes. So look, I think first of all, accelerating digital transformation continues to be a key driver for customers. And we are seeing this across all kinds of industries here, particularly in verticals such as financial services, healthcare, state, local education. There is a clear mandate to modernize IT operations and applications, improve costs and help the business redirect non-productive legacy kind of spend. Now, in the current macro, I would say this is intensified. There is even more of a focus on cost and better TCO. So, from that perspective, modernizing legacy treated infrastructure, especially when things are up for renewal, right, up for a cycle, you are running out of – your hardware is getting old. HCI is a very viable option for improving TCO, simplifying operations, making things much simpler. So, we haven’t quite seen a slowdown in that mindset with customers. I mean the other thing for us we see is that, HCI has now also become a platform for where customers can run all their workloads, including all their highest performance, most mission-critical workloads. We saw an example of that here in the call where we talked about this large Federal agency, but there are many other customers who are doing that. And then finally, I would say we are also seeing more people looking at hybrid multi-cloud and how they can operate efficiently in this cloud environment for which, again, our solution is a good option. So, can help them run in the right private cloud or public cloud based on criteria on cost, performance and governance. So, all of that I think is continuing to play out there, even despite the macro situation.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Got it. And then maybe a quick one, can you help us understand like what you are seeing with expected gross retention trends in your renewals portfolio?

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Yes, Rukmini?

[Rukmini Sivaraman, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. Thank you for the question. So, our GRR or gross retention rates remain in line with sort of our stated objective of in the 90%-plus range.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of George Wang with Barclays. Your line is open.

[George Wang, Barclays]

Hey guys. Congrats again on the strong quarter. I have two quick questions. Firstly, just it’s nice to see kind of rate for the FCF and income for this year. Definitely, you guys are seeing strong leverage. Just curious kind of going forward, are there additional operating expenses, which can be taken out of the system? Just curious kind of what area you guys can be targeting in terms of the lever to pull for further cost cuts, whether that’s in the back office, whether that’s in the state to follow. Maybe you can give more color on that?

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Maybe, Rukmini, I will just give a high-level view. I would just say that we are not as much focused on cost-cutting. I mean a lot of the efficiency in the model is coming from the fact that we are seeing a growing base of renewals that can be prosecuted at a significantly lower cost than our traditionally new business. Now, we have been focused on efficiencies already over the last few years in every area. On the sales side, we are focused on increasing sales productivity. On the marketing side, we have already redirected and optimized our demand generation dollars to be mostly digital with some hybrid events. We have simplified our product portfolio. So, we have been doing the right things in terms of efficiency and so forth. So, that’s where I will leave it. And Rukmini, if you want to add anything?

[Rukmini Sivaraman, Chief Financial Officer]

No, I think that was a good summary, Rajiv.

[George Wang, Barclays]

Okay. Thanks for that. My follow-up is just kind of looking out in terms of as-a-service. Any kind of color you can give in terms of future as-a-service model, such as partnering with GreenLake, maybe more traction there or kind of through other MSPs. Just curious kind of what areas are you guys exploring to further this journey of as-a-service in the HCI adoption?

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Absolutely. That’s actually a very good question because we are seeing a trend in the market where more customers would like to consume more offerings deliver to them as a service. And there is many routes to getting there. One of our first route is through service providers. And as you saw, for example, this quarter, this last quarter, there were two largest lines came through partnering with service providers. And these are service providers, in some cases, who will take us and sell through, right, and provide a service to their customers. So, that’s one approach. HPE GreenLake is another approach where HPE GreenLake includes Nutanix as part of their offering, and they can provide a combined hardware-software solution delivered as-a-service in a subscription model to their customers. And selectively, some of our own offerings are also available directly as-a-service, but those are small relatively speaking, in our portfolio, especially some of our management offerings are delivered even today as-a-service, but that’s a small portion lately. But largely, we are focused on enabling as-a-service models to our partners, whether they would be service providers, whether they would be strategic partners like HPE.

[George Wang, Barclays]

Okay. Great. Thank you.

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

And the only other thing I would just add there, sorry, I should say this. We are also an Azure marketplace right now where an Azure customer can use Azure, their Azure spend dollars and buy Nutanix through the marketplace.

[Operator]

Thank you. Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Bergstrom with RBC. Your line is open.

[Dan Bergstrom, RBC]

So, any sense on where we are from a rep headcount perspective? I think you were flat in the fourth quarter expectation to grow modestly for the year, focus on productivity. Is that still the right way to think about rep headcount and growth and productivity?

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Yes. Our rep headcount was roughly flat quarter-over-quarter. We do expect to grow our rep headcount modestly from current levels, while at the same time, continuing to focus on driving higher rep productivity.

[Dan Bergstrom, RBC]

Thank you.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Wamsi Mohan with Bank of America. Your line is open.

[Ruplu Bhattacharya, Bank of America]

Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. It’s Ruplu filling in for Wamsi today. I have one question for Rukmini and one for Rajiv. Maybe I will ask Rukmini the first question. I think you guided a low double-digit percent decline in ACV billings sequentially for 3Q and then low-double digit increase for 4Q. That seems to be a more pronounced seasonality than the last couple of years. So, maybe can you give us some puts and takes? And how does that take into account? Is that normal seasonality, or is that worse than normal? And how should we think about that?

[Rukmini Sivaraman, Chief Financial Officer]

Yes. Hi Ruplu, thanks for the question. And yes, and we called it out because we want to just want to provide some color on how seasonality would – we expect seasonal to show up for the rest of the year. And so just to reiterate what I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we expect to see a low-double digit percentage decline quarter-over-quarter in ACV billings in the third quarter. Which by the way, seasonally, we do see a decline in ACV billings from Q2 to Q3 but low-double digit percentages is a little higher than what we normally see, which is the way we wanted to call it out. And then followed by – in Q4, we expect low-double digit percentage increase quarter-over-quarter in ACV billings. And to answer your question, Ruplu, our available to renew pool that is due in Q3 is expected to be lower than it is in Q2 and then expect it to then pick back up in Q4. So that, combined with our typical quarterly seasonality, leads us to expect that this trend will occur for the second half of ‘23.

[Ruplu Bhattacharya, Bank of America]

Okay. Got it. And then can I just also ask a clarification. In the past, you said that the sum of the four quarter ACV billings is typically 6% to 7% higher than the annual reported number. Does that rule still hold for fiscal ‘23? And how should we think about that going forward?

[Rukmini Sivaraman, Chief Financial Officer]

So, generally, the concept still holds, Ruplu, because effectively what we do, just to remind folks on why we had that out there is that when we report the quarterly ACV numbers, we have some contracts that come in for less than a year duration, and we do annualize those to report ACV billings on a quarterly basis. Of course, on an annualized basis, we sort of normalize for that. And so that’s what Ruplu is referring to. And I would say that, that – it’s in the general ballpark, maybe 94%, 95%, I think what about 67%, as you said, maybe it’s 5% to 6%, but around that range is what I would expect to see this year as well.

[Ruplu Bhattacharya, Bank of America]

Okay. Thanks for the details there. And maybe, Rajiv, if I can ask a question, if you can talk about the demand trends by region, are the shutdowns in China impacting you either directly or indirectly? And if you can just touch on the business with your partnership with Red Hat, any progress or anything happening there? Thank you so much.

[Rajiv Ramaswami, President and Chief Executive Officer]

Yes. We didn’t see any significant difference in terms of performance across regions. As you know, our business in China is relatively small, so not a direct impact there. And then of course, the indirect impact, that’s really up to our customers. We haven’t seen – we haven’t really seen anything significant for us as a result of that directly. In terms of Red Hat, continuing to see good momentum with Red Hat this quarter as well. We continue to see a growing pipeline with some wins this first quarter. For example, we saw a Ministry in Asia-Pac combining the two, right. They had OpenShift and our cloud platform, so, from a three tier solution to our platform using our own hypervisor. So, this is an example of the kind of deal that we work on together with them. And we are seeing that continue to grow along nicely.

[Ruplu Bhattacharya, Bank of America]

Okay. Thank you for all the details.

[Operator]

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