Mitek Systems Inc

NASDAQ:MITK

Earnings Call Analysis

Mitek Achieves Notable Growth and Prospects

In fiscal 2023, Mitek delivered strong performance with total revenue growing by 19% year-over-year and non-GAAP net income reaching $44.4 million. Notably, deposits revenue rose by 20%, and identity products revenue grew by 17%, with a net revenue retention rate of approximately 117%. Innovations in biometric technology and the need for enhanced fraud prevention are driving further growth. Combating fraud, especially check fraud with Check Fraud Defender (CFD), presents a sizable future revenue opportunity, potentially contributing $200 million annually within the next 5-7 years. Overall, Mitek's continued expansion, robust balance sheet, and strategic focus poised the company for sustained growth and profitability.

Mitek's Strong Full-Year Performance and Growth Strategy

As Mitek concludes its Fiscal 2023, the company proudly boasts a total revenue growth of 19% year-over-year, with deposits and identity products contributing significantly to this growth. CEO Max Carnecchia attributed this performance to strategic customer acquisition and retention, with a notable net revenue retention rate of approximately 117% highlighting the value Mitek delivers. Major wins such as Nationwide and Verizon signify strong competitive takeaways, while partnerships like Experian have driven a 17% year-over-year business growth. The company's future seems bright, with revenue forecasts based on a substantial market opportunity in Check Fraud Defender (CFD), indicating the potential for significant revenue contribution in the next 5 to 7 years.

Expansion Initiatives and Investment in Technological Innovation

The company's ID R&D biometrics product line has seen substantial revenue growth since its acquisition in 2021, with voice and face biometrics enhancing customer authentication and security. This is part of a larger effort to deliver AI-driven biometric solutions and liveness detection, which are anticipated to be major growth engines for Mitek. Newly introduced products like ID live voice clone detection solidify Mitek's position at the innovation front, combatting sophisticated attacks such as deepfakes and impersonations.

Capitalizing on the Evolving Fraud Landscape

Mitek's strategy to capitalize on the increasing demand for mobile check deposit and fight against growing check fraud has been paying off. With over 1.2 billion mobile check deposits and 20% year-over-year deposits revenue increase, the focus is on products like CFD, which shows potential to save banks billions and drive substantial revenue growth. CFD, together with Mitek's orchestration platform My VIP, positions the company to explore adjacent opportunities with AI-driven antifraud and identity capabilities, leveraging exclusive access to customer transaction intelligence.

Financial Resilience and Forward Guidance

Mitek's balance sheet reflects financial strength, with cash and investments growing to $134.9 million, while operating margins remain strong at 31%. The fiscal 2024 revenue guidance stands at $180 million to $185 million, indicating anticipated growth in key products like CFD, MyPass, and ID R&D biometrics. Growth expectations are tempered by anticipated declines associated with the sunset of legacy products. Overall, Mitek is assertive of their growth preparation in navigating the landscape of AI, identity, and fraud.

Earnings Call Transcript 2023-Q4

[Operator]

Good day, and welcome to Mitek's Fiscal 2023 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Earnings Conference Call.

[Operator Instructions]

After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. question -- please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Todd Kehrli of MKR Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Todd Kehrli]

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to Mitek's Fiscal 2023 Fourth Quarter and Year-End Earnings Conference Call. With me on today's call are Mitek's CEO, Max Carnecchia; and CFO, Dave Lyle. Before I turn the call over to Max and Dave, I'd like to cover a few quick items.

Today, Mitek issued a press release announcing its financial results for its fiscal 20,234th quarter and full year. That release is available on the company's website at miteksystems.com. This call is being broadcast live over the Internet for all interested parties, and the webcast will be archived on the Investor Relations page of the company's website. I want to remind everyone that on today's call, management will discuss certain factors likely to influence the business going forward. Any factors discussed today that are not historical facts particularly comments regarding our long-term prospects and market opportunities, should be considered forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements may include comments about the company's plans and expectations of future performance.

Forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially. We encourage all of our listeners to review our SEC filings, including our most recent 10-K and 10-Q for a complete description of these risks. Our statements on this call are made as of today, March 19, 2024, and the company undertakes no obligation to revise or update publicly any of the forward-looking statements contained herein, whether as a result of new information, future events, changes in expectations or otherwise.

Additionally, throughout this call, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures. Today's earnings release and the related current report on Form 8-K describe the differences between our non-GAAP and GAAP reporting and present the reconciliation between the 2 for the periods reported in the release. With that said, I'll now turn the call over to Mitek's CEO, Max Carnecchia

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

Thanks, Todd. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I want to extend a warm welcome to our investors, employees, customers and partners joining us today. Thank you for your continued support and trust in Mitek. I'm excited to provide insights into our Fiscal '23 performance spell out our strategic direction going forward, and then hand the call over to Dave Lyle, our new CFO, to provide more financial details.

At Mitek, our mission is clear. We help regulated businesses say yes to more customers, more deposits and more transactions with increased intelligence and customer safety. We achieved this by providing unique signals that seamlessly bring identity transaction intelligence together. Over the past decade, we've diligently developed solutions in pursuit of this mission. Today, leveraging our most current applications of AI and machine learning, we are proud to enable over 7,900 organizations with new levels of security and control while protecting the digital consumer from the most sophisticated fraud threats.

I'm very proud of our 200 machine learning and AI engineers, data scientists, developers and cloud op team members who are dedicated to ensuring that our award-winning product offerings remain at the forefront of the industry and their vital role in developing solutions to combat evolving fraud and enhance digital security. Thank you all my technician for your ongoing commitment to our mission and the incredible work you do.

Before we discuss our financial results for fiscal 2023, I'd like to introduce Dave Lyle, our newly appointed CFO. Later in the call, Dave will provide further insights into our financial performance and outlook for fiscal 2024. Dave joined us in early January and has already made a substantial impact with his broad experience across multiple business functions, Dave brings invaluable expertise to our team. We're thrilled to welcome him aboard. I'd also like to express my gratitude to Fuad Ahmad, who served as Mitek's interim CFO for a little over a year. Thank you, [ Fouad, ] for your dedication and contributions during this critical period.

Turning to Mitek's record performance in fiscal 2023. I'm pleased to announce that we achieved solid growth across both deposits and identity, leading to total revenue growth of 19% year-over-year. Additionally, we achieved non-GAAP net income of $44.4 million and generated $31.6 million in cash flow from operations, further strengthening our balance sheet. First, looking at our identity products, revenue grew 17% year-over-year in fiscal 2023 attributed to strategic efforts in customer acquisition and expansion within our existing customer base. Our net revenue retention rate for fiscal 2023 was approximately 117%, which underscores the value of our solutions deliver. Notable customer expansion included Lloyd's, Chase and NatWest.

We won over 100 new identity customers in fiscal 2023, including major names like nationwide [ Verizon, ] Virgin Mobile 02 and Telefonica. Nationwide Building Society was a very strategic win and a competitive takeaway. This British cooperative financial institution is in the process of rebranding under the slogan of [indiscernible] -- good way to bank. And its primary goal is to differentiate itself based on user experience and security. Mitek's mission and approach are very well matched to this rebranding, and we are confident it is one of the reasons we secured the business. Nationwide is implementing our solution in multiple use cases and has taken a phased approach starting with a remediation project and expanding to device binding and onboarding. The device binding and step-up authentication involves all app users as a replacement for card readers.

Using our multimodal biometric solution MyPass. They have already enrolled 120,000 biometric faces and all 5 million app users will be invited by April of this year. Verizon, another significant win was also a competitive takeaway. Verizon will leverage our identity verification and face comparison tools to support its product operations and customer experience teams initially with their B2B business and soon moving to support the in-store consumer. Access to digitally enabled services continues to explode and this accelerating shift to digital creates an immense challenge for organizations as they strive to balance customer experience with financial risk. As digital grows, so do the opportunities for fraud. And as long as criminals can cleverly exploit weaknesses in an institution's ability to distinguish a legitimate customer from an imposter this threat will continue to grow.

As such, we see customer interest, engagement and inquiries dramatically increasing. According to industry analysts, the identity market is growing between 14% and 16% annually. And we have the opportunity to take market share given our unique proprietary industry-leading biometrics offerings and orchestration platform. Our channel partner investment has also yielded returns during the year. With Experian, our long-standing partner in North America, the U.K. and Europe, growing their Mitek business by 17% year-over-year across all regions, and we believe we are only just scratching the surface with them. Our most recent win with Experian is in the government health care in U.K. and Experian is also one of the biggest partners in the telco space, particularly in Europe.

Partnerships like Experian are pivotal to -- in our efforts to support new verticals, including government, telco, health care, each which presents a significant growth opportunity. As such, we continue to add new channel partners, most recently with the industry leaders like Equifax and NICE Actimize. By leveraging these alliances, we aim to establish a strong foothold in new geographies, driving expansion and enhancing our global presence. Now let's shift our focus to the nonfinancial milestones achieved during the fiscal year across each line of business and outline our FY '24 priorities. We see a large and growing opportunity in the intersection of fraud and identity, especially in regulated environments like financial services, mobile operators, iGaming and health care.

The role AI is playing in changing and accelerating regulation further benefits Mitek and our solutions. As a result, our growth products, including our my VIP platform and the AI-driven biometric solution MyPass have seen growing adoption. Today, integrated identity platforms are emerging technologies and essential tools that reshape how we secure and authenticate identities in the digital world. These platforms combine various verification methods, streamlining the process and enhancing security for our customers. The market discerns this by categorizing the orchestrators and the orchestrated. My VIP is a leading orchestration solution in the market today through its highly differentiated offering. Beyond traditional [ static ] ID checks and physical document verification, our orchestration platform incorporates proprietary biometric analysis and liveness inspection in combination with highly personalized external data signals to ensure the legitimacy of identities, thereby preventing synthetic and generated computer-generated frauds.

In the ongoing battle against online fraud, deep fakes and injection attacks our biometric components, which are part of my VIP play a pivotal role in enhancing security and safeguarding digital transactions. Our ID R&D biometrics revenue has grown substantially since we acquired ID R&D in May of 2021 as use case continue to expand and the need for continuous authentication becomes mainstream. Voice biometrics expedite and secure customer authentication, especially when combined with face biometrics. Base biometrics also strengthened fraud prevention during the customer's digital onboarding by verifying a user space against the government issued ID. Thus, storing attempts to bypass screening processes using manipulated images. License detection technology confirms an individual's physical presence stirring authentication, effectively preventing the use of stolen photos, take videos, masks and other spoofs by span bots and bad [ actors ] to create or access online accounts, thereby significantly enhancing security.

Leveraging all these proprietary technologies, in Fiscal 2023, we introduced our exclusive 4-point multimodal biometric solution the only one of its kind, utilizing the combination of face biometric, face liveness, voice biometric and voice liveness technologies. This innovation -- innovative solution My Pass seamlessly captures and verifies these biometrics simultaneously providing near-instant authentication for digital users. Initially praised by expediting and securing customer authentication, voice biometrics are being challenged by the emergence of generative AI voice clips, known as Vision or voice tics, which malicious actors exploit to infiltrate financial accounts. Our ID R&D labs were quick to respond. And early this year, we introduced ID live voice clone detection to protect against bad actors impersonating their victims to commit fraud and crime. With just 3 seconds of a person speaking, the product can deliver a score indicating the likelihood that it was created using cloning technology. They can detect one attacks that use replay or advanced software and hardware-based tacking methods.

In a world of Gen AI, large language models and transformers were deep [ bacon ] personations are proliferating so rapidly, voice clone detection plays an essential role in preserving trust between people and technology, and we are proud to be at the forefront of this innovation. According to Gartner, the number of deep fake attacks worldwide in 2023 was 10x the number detected in 2022. With our leading industry biometric solutions preventing eat fakes, we expect biometrics and liveness to be a significant revenue growth engine for Mitek for years to come. We're also very excited about how our identity product portfolio reinforces our deposits business. Our end-to-end orchestration platform, My VIP is now serving both deposits and identity and we're seeing our pipeline of potential new business increase as we provide a comprehensive suite of machine learning and AI-based tools that can help organizations fight fraud.

Now let's discuss our deposits business and where we see it going in fiscal '24 and beyond. In Fiscal '23, we saw our deposits revenue increased substantially, growing 20% year-over-year. We recorded over 1.2 billion mobile check deposits in fiscal 2023. Notably, 8 billion checks were deposited in North America throughout the year. Analysts forecast the sustained demand for tech deposit services over the next decade with an estimated 5 billion checks per year still being deposited 10 years from it. We plan to capitalize on the increasing adoption of mobile check deposit among consumers and small businesses as well as to continue to implement price increases as the leading provider of this solution.

Now let's talk about the momentum we are seeing with Check Fraud Defender, or CFD product offering. One of our most exciting prospects for growth over the coming years. Banks are getting crushed by Check fraud, which according to the recent NASDAQ report has eclipsed credit card fraud in the United States. CFD is making significant strides in combating check fraud with the potential to save banks billions of dollars and losses. We believe CFD has the potential to contribute in annual revenue within the next 5 to 7 years. Let me walk you through how we got there. As a recent Boston Fed article noted, one industry analyst estimates over $24 billion in check fraud losses in 2023. We believe CFD can help banks conservatively avoid around 40% of those losses based on our unique ability to visually detect fraud through machine learning.

That would imply that CFD could potentially save approximately $10 billion in check fraud losses just this year. We believe a reasonably healthy bank-friendly ROI to combat this size of check fraud would be in the range of 10:1 -- meaning, we would believe banks would be willing to invest $1 million to prevent $10 million in check fraud losses. That would allow for a $1 billion annual serviceable addressable market, or SAM, or a check fraud Defender product. With less than a handful of potential competitors today, we believe a 20% market share should be achievable, especially given our leadership position and strong reputation in check processing. That would equate to $200 million in annual revenue opportunity for Mitek within the next 5 to 7 years.

And remember, check fraud is growing rapidly. So these estimates do not consider the growth over the coming years. Also important to note is the potential bank savings don't include additional operational efficiencies, these banks will realize by using CFD and our new mine control product, our latest achievement in empowering banks to control check fraud by integrating CFD with my VIP. The Productivity gains using MyControl are significant. In the review of potentially fraudulent check, agents can reduce what would have taken them as long as 10 minutes to just 90 seconds using my control. Also, CFD drives down false positives so that banks will spend more time looking at bad checks rather than good checks.

We launched CFD 2 years ago to help banks solve this growing problem. In fiscal 2023, one of our customers reported saving over $16 million in less than 6 months using CFD to prevent fraudulent check losses and reduce the expense of dealing with this exploding problem. Today, CFD boasts a select group of clients, including 2 of the top 10 banks in North America. Our dedicated sales team and partners are diligently pursuing the top 100 financial institutions aiming to onboard dozens more as CFD clients by the end of fiscal 2024. Despite the deliberate pace inherent in the regulated banking sector, our progress remains promising, driven by the substantial cost savings our CFD solution can deliver.

Encouragingly, our pipeline of potential customers continues to expand, indicating a growing market interest in our offering. Contributing to the pipeline are our channel partners. The channel has been the trusted blueprint for selling mobile deposits, and we are thrilled with the momentum we are starting to see in the channel with CFD. Within a few months of onboarding our new partner of [ Bigo, ] we have already closed a couple of CFD deals. CFD is just the beginning of a very large opportunity for Mitek. My control is the latest of many products being built on my VIP's low-code, no-code platform for fast and simple implementation that we believe can drive revenue growth for us over the next several years. We are already planning follow-on products to address other growing market opportunities in the retail bank payments, wire and peer-to-peer space which we believe is a substantially larger opportunity than even CFD.

I want to reiterate the growing -- the important growing intersection of fraud and identity. CFD is leading the way into adjacent opportunities for Mitek to help with new AI-driven antifraud and identity capabilities by leveraging our unique access to rare and privileged customer data and transaction intelligence, we can deliver additional differentiated value to our customers and drive increased shareholder value.

In summary, Mitek is well positioned for the continued growth in both revenue and profitability. We are capitalizing on a large growing end markets at the nexus of big secular trends in AI, identity and fraud. Mitek is delivering cutting-edge machine learning and artificial intelligence tools, empowering organizations to combat fraud and enhance trust and convenience across every digital interaction through our leading orchestration platform. Notably, the introduction of new products, positions Mitek for our next phase of additional growth.

I'll now turn the call over to Dave to discuss the financial results in more detail. Following Dave's remarks, we'll open the call for questions. Dave, please go ahead.

[David Lyle, executive]

Thanks, Max. I couldn't be more excited to be here at Mitek. It's a privilege to join a company that is not only a pioneer and a category creator in its space but has also established itself as a clear market leader while demonstrating consistent revenue growth and profitability. I'm looking forward to continuing my work with the team towards growth for years to come. I'm also looking forward to getting to know our shareholders and sell-side analysts.

With that said, let me take you through our financial results for fiscal year 2023, which ended September 30, 2023. Looking first at revenue, it would be valuable to spend a few minutes describing how we talk about some of our revenue streams for those of you who are new to Mitek, like myself. Our 10-K filings talk about 2 revenue categories, software and hardware and services and other. On the software and hardware revenue side, we include mainly software term license revenue and to a limited extent, hardware scanner boxes and on-premise appliance products revenue. Our deposits products contribute the vast majority to that revenue category as the mobile check deposit product is primarily an on-premise software license model. The only deposits product that will be primarily in the services and other revenue category is our check fraud Defender product.

On the services and other revenue side, we include transactional SaaS revenue, maintenance and professional services revenue. Our identity products have historically contributed the vast majority to that revenue category as almost all identity products accept our ID R&D biometrics and some legacy hardware products are SaaS delivered as they are cloud-hosted solutions to our customers. Our Check Fraud Defender product revenue is also primarily a SaaS-delivered model, so it is contributing to the services and other revenue stream as well.

So with that said, let's review our financial performance for Fiscal Year 2023. Top line revenue for the fiscal year grew 19% year-over-year to $172.6 million, just above the preliminary revenue number we announced on December 7 of last year. Software and hardware revenue grew 21% to $88.4 million in fiscal year 2023, primarily due to an increase in sales of mobile check deposit products. Services and other revenue grew 17% to $84.2 million in fiscal year 2023. This increase was primarily due to strong growth in SaaS revenue from our [ Hulu ] and my VIP products as well as increased maintenance revenue associated with mobile check deposit software sales. Shifting to revenue for our 2 major product categories, deposits and identity, let's start with deposits.

Deposits revenue grew 20% year-over-year in Fiscal 2023 to $104.1 million. This growth was driven primarily by strength in mobile check deposit reorders and additional adoption and usage across the banking system. Please note that 75% of deposits revenue was in Mitek software and hardware revenue, 25% was in services and other. Identity revenue for fiscal year 2023 grew 17% year-over-year to $68.4 million, driven by our SaaS products revenue. Approximately 15% of identity revenue was in Mitek's software and hardware revenue and 85% was in services and other revenue for fiscal year 2023.

Moving on to gross margin. The total gross margin for fiscal 2023 was 86.7%, up 50 basis points from 86.2% in fiscal 2022. We continue to deliver strong software and hardware gross margins of 98%. While on services and other revenue, our gross margin was 74% for fiscal year 2023. Operating expense for the fiscal year 2023 was $134 million compared to $112.6 million last year. Non-GAAP operating expense for fiscal 2023 and was $96.4 million compared to $80.5 million last year. The year-over-year increase was primarily related to fees associated with our delayed filings, including audit, accounting and legal support and, to a lesser extent, the addition of resources to our corporate services team to accommodate our scaling business. Excluded from our non-GAAP operating expenses are about $29.5 million of noncash accounting items and $8.2 million in nonrecurring cash items.

The noncash items were comprised of $19 million for amortization of purchased intangibles and $10.5 million in stock-based compensation expense. The cash items were comprised of $4 million, mostly associated with nonrecurring auditor fees and about $4.2 million related to restructuring, executive transition and litigation expenses. Please see our earnings release for a more detailed reconciliation. Our non-GAAP operating income grew 20% in fiscal 2023 to $53.2 million or a 31% non-GAAP operating margin. Excluded from non-GAAP operating income was $37.7 million in expenses as described above and are detailed in our GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation in today's earnings release. GAAP net income for fiscal year 2023 was $8 million or $0.17 per diluted share versus $3.7 million or $0.08 per diluted share in the prior fiscal year. Non-GAAP net income for fiscal year 2023 was $44.4 million or $0.95 per diluted share versus $40.5 million or $0.88 per diluted share in the prior fiscal year.

Our diluted share count for the year was 46.5 million compared to 45.8 million shares a year ago. Turning to our balance sheet. Our cash and investments grew from $101 million at fiscal year-end 2022 to $134.9 million at fiscal year-end 2023. $31.6 million of that $34 million growth was provided by our cash flow from operations. Moving on to guidance. We are reiterating our fiscal year 2024 revenue guidance range of $180 million to $185 million or a 6% growth rate at the midpoint of the range and a 12% growth rate if we backed out the future year license revenue from the large onetime mobile deposit deal from fiscal 2023. More specifically, material growth rates are expected this year from Check Fraud Defender as it moves from its nascent stage to accelerated growth, coupled with strong expected growth from the flagship identity platform, VIP, MyPass and our ID R&D biometrics products. This growth is expected to be somewhat offset by revenue declines associated with our retirement of legacy [ car ] products as they move towards end of life.

It's also important to note that we won a large mobile check deposit customer in fiscal Q1 of 2023, which creates a difficult year-over-year comparison. From a quarterly trending perspective, we expect top line revenue to be lowest in fiscal Q1, ramping in Q2 and again in Q3 and with Q4 expected to be in the range of Q3 revenue. Quarter-to-quarter changes due to deal timing may influence these expectations. From a year-over-year perspective, we expect most of the year-over-year revenue growth quarters to be in the fiscal Q3 and fourth quarter. We continue to expect our Identity business to reach stand-alone profitability on a fully burdened basis in the fourth fiscal quarter. This will be driven by revenue growth as well as additional operating leverage in the sales, marketing and R&D functions. With regard to taxes, we expect to be a taxpayer in fiscal 2024 with a tax rate in the 25% plus or minus range of GAAP pretax net income.

In addition, we are reiterating our fiscal full year 2024 non-GAAP operating margin guidance range of 30% to 31%. Moving to our capital allocation plans. We continue to generate solid cash flow and strengthen our balance sheet in fiscal 2023, and we expect to continue to generate cash in fiscal 2024. As Max has said regarding acquisitions, with our market-leading product portfolio in place, we do not need to do additional acquisitions to further penetrate the significant market opportunities we have in front of us. Our team with our Board of Directors continues to assess all capital allocation alternatives routinely.

As we are currently in a blackout period while we prepare our fiscal quarter 10-Q filing, we are limited in the actions we can take until we are outside of our blackout period. Before I conclude, I would like to touch on where we are with our SEC filings and our expected investor relations activity during fiscal 2024 following those filings. With the fiscal year 2023 10-K filing behind us, just out in the past 20 minutes. Our team with our auditors are already working diligently to get current on our 10-Q filing for the first fiscal quarter of 2024 ended December 31, 2023.

The first fiscal quarter 10-Q filing was due February 9. Based on last year's 10-Q filing timing, we believe it should take about a month to file the fiscal first quarter 10-Q, which would put us some time in mid-April, assuming no delays arise. We would then jump into our normal cycle to deliver the second fiscal quarter 10-Q in May. If we are able to achieve this time line, we expect to increase our Investor Relations activities from there. This would include upcoming investor conferences in May and June with Needham and William Blair as well as our long-awaited Analyst Day, which we are targeting to occur before our fiscal year-end, which ends on September 30, 2024. We look forward to getting out and telling investors about the big opportunity we have in front of us.

In closing, we are very pleased with our results, which included record revenue and record non-GAAP net income for the full year of fiscal 2023. With a forward to growing again in fiscal 2024 as we continue to deliver industry-leading machine learning and AI-driven tools that enable us, our customers to prevent fraud. Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. Please open the lines for questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. and we will now begin the question-and-answer session.

[Operator Instructions]

Our first question today will come from Chad Bennett of Craig-Hallum.

[Unknown Analyst]

Just a of things. Just it was great kind of laying out the linearity of the year from a revenue standpoint. I guess, as much as you can say now that we're effectively almost halfway through the year. And maybe it more pertains to the identity part of the business, just in terms of the macro and demand environment and volume environment on that side of the business, any insight Max into kind of what you're seeing there or your thoughts on the demand or macro environment on that part of the business right now?

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

I don't know that I have a substantive update for you, Chad. I think things are similar to when we've talked previously, at least in the recent past, with where interest rates are, we definitely see challenges on anything that's kind of loan origination or interest rate sensitive refinancing, new mortgages, [ HELOCs, ] even credit card issuance at these rates. But I do feel like we see some stabilization across the more revenue generation areas.

And I think as we've talked about in the past, when times get tough, fraud increases, right? And so we're seeing that on both sides of the business, both the identity side, but obviously, we check for our Defender. I could go on for hours on kind of the stats and what's being perpetrated on that side. So hopefully, that's helpful.

[Unknown Analyst]

Yes. And just in terms of the penetration you're seeing with my VIP in my path in the biometric solutions. I guess can you give a sense of where you are in terms of penetration in your existing base with those solutions?

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

Yes. I would say we're in the very early stages. For our international audience, I don't want to use a baseball example. But first 10%, 15%, I don't know, first inning, I use baseball anyway. For me, the Gen AI hype that's been out there over the course of the last 5 or 6 quarters, when you bring that to the fraud and identity space, it changes almost everything.

What company's regulated organizations are confronted with the changing expectations of consumers, the regulators who are trying to help but can't move fast enough and the regulations that are in place, things like [ IDAS 2 ] in Europe and [indiscernible] which is really more protocol and framework here in the U.S. Those were built and delivered and kind of conceptualized before the real rollout of transformer large language model, Gen AI. And it's a wind up to say every one of these large regulated entities, whether they're banks, telcos, health care, they've got to figure out liveness. Who's on the other side of that device and how do I make sure -- not only is who they say they are, but that it's actually a live human.

And we are just so well positioned with the [indiscernible] best approach to face in voice I feel really good about it. It's going to take some time, right? I mean, early days, it's going to take some time, but I don't know how you solve that problem otherwise. I really don't know how you do that in a Gen AI world.

[Unknown Analyst]

And just on -- I like the way you laid out the opportunity in Check Fraud Defender. And I mean it certainly seems like you guys are seeing traction with that product. I guess maybe the best way to ask it is, have you rethought kind of the growth potential of the deposit side of the business, Max? I think it's certainly outgrown I think, at least my expectations, maybe yours, the last couple of years. But I think we've just generally thought about that business being maybe kind of high single digits, 10%, it's certainly outgrown that materially.

But just -- are you thinking any differently about that side of the business and kind of the growth rate the next 3 to 5 years?

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

No. We continue to believe the base check business, Mobile Check Deposit and the Check Intelligence business will continue to be contributing growth to Mitek from a revenue perspective and continue to throw off impressive operating margins and profitability. We're going to do that because the adoption of mobile banking is still in the very early days right? When you use a stat about we processed in FY '23, 1.2 billion checks, that sounds amazing.

And then you say, hey, 8 billion checks were in the system. So you've only kind of scratched the surface, and you published some reports that kind of both the Bank of Americas and the wells and the JPMC. So there's a lot more to go there, as you know, because we're a dominant market player. We have pricing power, both with the end using banks as well as with the core service channel providers that we rely on. So I think between the idea of those 2 things, we anticipate this continuing to be a growth element of the business.

And CFD, the check fraud Defender, just because of the explosive growth of check fraud, we think that's going to be -- we see it around, right? It's a one of the fastest-growing things I've ever seen right now.

[Operator]

Our next question today will come from Jake Roberge of William Blair.

[Unknown Analyst]

This is Jacob on for J. Grubes, so obviously, Check fraud Defender is seeing solid adoption. But just curious from a go-to-market perspective, are you dedicating teams to the product yet? Or is it still combined with the classic check deposit business and leveraging those preexisting relationships? And then I have another question.

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

Sure. Yes. So the first part of that question, since its inception, since we announced going back almost 2 years ago and introduced Check Fraud Defender, we have had a dedicated team of sellers, presales engineers, customer success and implementation. So it started out as a very small team it's about almost 3x the size of what it started out to today. But yes, it is a dedicated series of individuals that make their mortgage payment and make their car payments based on the success of helping customers fight fraud in the check area.

[Unknown Analyst]

Got it. That's good to hear. And then just to touch on what you're seeing in the market from like a competitive perspective, given the more difficult funding environment for private ID verification providers. Are you seeing competitive benefits in the pipeline as a result of the uncertain macro so kind of a tailwind given the macro environment?

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

Yes, it's a good question, Jacob. I think the answer for sure is yes. If we went back in the Wayback Machine, 2.5, 3 years ago, you couldn't open crunch base any week without reading about a new company that was being created to take on the identity category. You couldn't go a week without seeing additional eye-popping funding rounds. And most of those new formed competitors, they spent a lot of that money on sales and marketing, and they were not investing in innovation and things that were both proprietary and differentiated.

And over the course of the last 2 years, we've absolutely seen that come home to roost. And so as I said, when Chad asked the question, there's still uncertainty in the economy. There's still a lot of geopolitical stuff going on. But the lay of the land, the competitive lay of the land for us has shifted, and we believe, shifted in our favor. I mean when you're going to look around as a -- you're a mobile operator, you're a bank, you're a health care institution who are you going to partner with? Who are you relying on? Who's going to be able to kind of come out the other side of this and not just have great product, but be able to support you and have the vendor viability. And I'll stand on the FY '23, [indiscernible] that's vendor viability.

[Operator]

Your next question today will come from Owen Rickert of Northland Capital Markets.

[Unknown Analyst]

This is Owen on for Mike Grondahl. I just have 2 questions. So first, what are your priorities for Mobile ID in 2024?

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

Can you be a little more specific as to what you mean by that?

[Unknown Analyst]

I guess just priorities going forward in terms of go-to-market, what you're doing to improve the product, et cetera?

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

Sure. All right. Thanks, Owen, for clarifying. We're really excited about the progress that we're making with my VIP, right? So this end-to-end orchestration, low-code, no-code environment, our ability to take on these really no problems for regulated organizations. I talked about what those vertical industries are -- but to be able to do that, not just for onboarding journeys and to get new accounts open, but what is often referred to is in life journeys, right?

The ability to help somebody with a password reset, you forgot your credentials instead of sitting for a half hour on a call center line and burning up a lot of time and having a terrible experience using my VIP and now MyPass the multimodal biometric identity authentication system. Those are great opportunities for us. And as we've talked about in the past, our model is land and expand, right? You land the initial piece of business with a bank or a mobile operator and inevitably within a year or 2, we're in 2, 3, 4 different use cases. Some of those are onboarding journeys, which are transaction-driven.

But now with what we're doing with MyPass and, of course, the ID R&D biometrics and liveness componentry, having recurring revenue associated with more of a conventional subscription model we're really excited about how that's growing the business and not just what we're going to do for the rest of FY '24, but really the future of this business over the intermediate term.

[Unknown Analyst]

Great. And then lastly, are there any incremental updates on the sales team?

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

Well, we -- coming into FY '24, as we just said for Jacob, we've made some additional investments in what we're doing with Check Fraud Defender. And now my control -- so putting more, if you will, logs on the fire to really kind of get that cooking on the identity side of the business, we've been investing in really kind of upgrading the team.

We're probably halfway through a pretty big transformation, right? If you go back in the way back machine before we came together with Hulu and had my VIP, we were basically selling a point solution where we would be able to do identity verification using a government-issued identity document and a facial liveness test. Now with my VIP, I've got an end-to-end enterprise solution that can be used in a lot of different places by a lot of different businesses. And the sales motion, the positioning of that, who we're targeting as far as the buyer cohort within our target accounts -- all of those things have changed, and we've been making changes to our team and our selling motions to exploit that.

So -- and then with ID R&D, separately, very much the selling of those componentry just again bringing -- it's not huge investments, but going from 3 sellers to 5 sellers makes a really big difference and to have those folks located in places like Singapore or Brazil or Eastern Europe, just because that's where the action is.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] And our next question will come from Allen Klee of Maxim.

[Allen Klee, analyst]

Question on your guidance. I think you're guiding to non-GAAP operating margin of 30% to 31% in I think that compares to 31% you did in fiscal '23. So my question is, if the mobile identity business is going to move from losing money to breakeven during the year. So that should improve results. What's the offset that is making margins not go up.

[David Lyle, executive]

Yes. It's a couple of different is. Just doing the high-level math first. If you take our revenue guidance and assume kind of gross margin similar to 2023, looking at 2024. And backing into operating expense, we're growing operating expense, somewhere in the kind of $7 million range year-over-year, $23 to $24 million. Most of that it's going to be investment in R&D from a cost perspective.

And that's going to be a combination of products that we're investing in, particularly CSD, but also in some of the other kind of earlier-stage growth products that we have.

[Allen Klee, analyst]

Great. And then in terms of capital allocation, I think the last call, you guys once you got out of a blackout, you would consider a buyback is -- how are you thinking about that today?

[David Lyle, executive]

Yes. I said in the prepared remarks, I talked a little bit about the capital allocation plan, the management team, Max and myself are working with our Board of Directors on a routine kind of basis to figure out what that capital allocation will look like going forward. We're looking at all alternatives, which could include a buyback.

But we haven't specifically talked, I think, historically more than just that on our earnings call.

[Allen Klee, analyst]

Great. Last question is it possible at some point mobile identity grows that you might be able to break out the more metrics related to it, either the basics of profitability or certain KPIs?

[Scipio Carnecchia, executive]

Yes. Allen, it's Max. Dave's in the chair here about 60 days, and he brings a lot of fresh thinking, a lot of new eyes and stay tuned.

[Operator]

This time, we will conclude our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Todd Kehrli for any closing remarks.

[Todd Kehrli]

Thank you, operator. Thank you, everyone, for joining our call today and for your continued support. As always, if you have any follow-up questions or I'd like to meet with management, please feel free to reach out to me, and I'll set something up. Thanks for everything, and have a great day.

[Operator]

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