Malibu Boats Inc

NASDAQ:MBUU

Earnings Call Analysis

Malibu Boats Navigates Market Challenges with Strategic Emphasis on Innovation

In the first quarter, Malibu Boats faced a challenging environment, with net sales dropping 32.9% to $171.6 million, impacted largely by a 39.7% decrease in unit volume. Despite this, there was a strategic focus on reducing dealer inventories and a modest increase in average selling prices. The adjusted EBITDA margin is projected between 10%-12% for the fiscal year, with a low single-digit sales growth expected. The CEO expressed optimism regarding upcoming interest rate cuts and industry innovations, especially as they enter the boat show season, maintaining a cohesive approach towards recovery and market share gains.

A Challenging Start: Q1 Performance Overview

The first quarter for Malibu Boats in fiscal year 2025 reflected a challenging environment, with net sales plummeting by 32.9% to $171.6 million compared to the previous year. This was primarily due to a significant decrease of 39.7% in unit volume, reflecting lower wholesale shipments across all segments. Despite this drop, the company's average net sales per unit increased by 11.2% to $167,559, thanks to a favorable model mix and price increases driven by modest inflation.

Margin Pressures and Expenses

Gross profit fell sharply by 50.3% to $28.2 million, with gross margins deteriorating from 22.2% to 16.4%. The dynamics of decreased sales affected margins, yet cost control measures allowed a reduction in cost of sales by 28%. Selling and marketing expenses declined by 15.4%, but general and administrative expenses surged by 31.6%, reflecting higher compensation costs and legal fees, including a $3.5 million settlement. Consequently, the adjusted EBITDA decreased dramatically by 74.6% to $9.9 million, with a margin decrease from 15.2% to 5.8%.

Navigating a Difficult Macroeconomic Landscape

Amid a tough retail environment and macroeconomic uncertainties, Malibu is strategically focusing on managing dealer inventories and aligning production levels accordingly. CEO Steve Menneto acknowledged that retail demand would remain under pressure until payment buyers return, expected to improve once interest rates stabilize further. The company remains confident in its long-term strategies, indicating a slight decline in retail demand this fiscal year but expecting growth in subsequent quarters.

Full Year Outlook and Revenue Guidance

Malibu Boats has maintained its fiscal year 2025 outlook, projecting a low single-digit percentage increase in net sales year-over-year. However, for the upcoming second quarter, the company anticipates a sequential increase in sales but a high single-digit percentage decline compared to the previous year due to tough comparisons. The adjusted EBITDA margin for the full year is expected to range between 10% to 12%, with mid-single-digit margins projected for Q2.

Positive Developments and Future Growth Potential

Encouraging developments include improvements in inventory management, which positions Malibu well for the upcoming boat show season. Recent interest rate cuts have generated optimism, and the company believes that with its innovative product lineup, including new models like the Malibu M230 and Cobalt R31, it is poised to capture market share. The company has shown resilience in its operational excellence and variable cost structure, enabling it to navigate these challenging market conditions effectively.

Market Share Gains and Competitive Landscape

Malibu is also gaining market share across its brands, with Cobalt gaining share particularly in its sterndrive segment and Pathfinder's Bay Boat segment performing well. The CEO highlighted Malibu's commitment to innovation, showcasing achievements like receiving the Wake Surf and Wake Board Boat of the Year award for its Malibu Wakesetter 23 LSV for the fifth consecutive year. This reflects the company’s strong reputation for performance and quality.

Strategic Capital Allocation and Shareholder Value

With a solid balance sheet, Malibu repurchased $10 million of stock during the quarter and earmarked between $30 million to $35 million for capital expenditures over the fiscal year. The firm’s financial discipline amidst market pressures allows it to invest in growth opportunities and pursue value-creating acquisitions, ensuring shareholder value remains a focal point.

Concluding Thoughts

While Malibu's recent quarter results reveal significant headwinds due to external economic pressures and lower demand, the company’s strategic maneuvers in inventory management, coupled with optimism about future interest rate cuts and strong product offerings, suggest a potential for recovery and growth. Investors should keep an eye on how the upcoming quarters unfold, particularly in terms of retail demand and market rebounds.

Earnings Call Transcript 2025-Q1

[Operator]

Good morning, and welcome to Malibu Boats conference call to discuss the first quarter fiscal year 2025 results. (Operator Instructions) Please be advised that reproduction of this call in whole or in part is not permitted without written authorization of Malibu Boats. And as a reminder, today's call is being recorded. On the call today from management are Mr. Steve Menneto, Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Bruce Beckman, Chief Financial Officer; and Mr. Ritchie Anderson, President. I will turn the call over to Mr. Beckman to get it started. Please go ahead, sir.

[Bruce Beckman, executive]

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Joining me on today's call is our CEO, Steve Menneto. On the call, Steve will provide commentary on the business, and I will discuss our first quarter of fiscal year 2025 financials. We will then open the call for questions. A press release covering the company's fiscal first quarter 2025 results was issued today, and a copy of that press release can be found in the Investor Relations section of the company's website.



I also want to remind everyone that management's remarks on this call may contain certain forward-looking statements, including predictions, expectations, estimates and other information that might be considered forward-looking and that actual results could differ materially from those projected on today's call. You should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of today, and the company undertakes no obligation to update them for any new information or future events.



Factors that might affect future results are discussed in our filings with the SEC, and we encourage you to review our SEC filings for a more detailed description of these risk factors.



Please also note that we will be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures on today's call, such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted fully distributed net income and adjusted fully distributed net income per share. Reconciliations of GAAP financial measures to non-GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release. I will now turn the call over to Steve. Steve?

[Steven Menneto, executive]

Thank you, Bruce. Thank you all for joining the call. Before we dive into the results, I would like to comment on the hardships caused by the 2 hurricanes. Our heart goes out to all those affected. At Malibu, the safety of our people, customers, dealers and communities is always paramount. Our Fort Pierce facilities experienced some delays, but we have implemented measures to minimize any disruptions to production and distribution. However, some of our partners have asked to delay shipments for a short amount of time as they work through operational challenges. We have incorporated that into our plans and expect no impact on our outlook for the fiscal year.



Turning to the first fiscal quarter, as expected, we navigated a challenging market environment driven by continued macroeconomic factors and slower retail demand. Net sales decreased by approximately 33% year-over-year as we maintained our focus on reducing channel inventories. While we are encouraged by the recent move in interest rates, we will need a sustained cycle of rate cuts to bring back payment buyers into the market. Retail demand remains challenging and will likely remain challenging until payment buyers return to the market.



As stated, our key focus has been on maintaining disciplined control over dealer inventories by adjusting production levels. As expected, Q1 showed sequential improvements in inventory alignment compared to quarter 4, positioning us well for the coming quarters. In addition, our margin performance in the first quarter also improved compared to prior quarter, which aligned with our expectations as promotional support returned to more normalized levels. This tailwind, coupled with our resilient business model, highlighted by our variable cost structure, enables us to adapt quickly to changing market conditions and maintain financial stability.



Adding to the stability of our business, we are bringing the Tommy's matters to closure. The trustee has liquidated nearly all of the remaining new Malibu and Axis inventory. As mentioned in prior discussions, our newly authorized dealers are up and running, selling boats and providing great service to our customers. And following the legal settlement announced earlier this month, which covers all impacted locations, we are now turning our full attention to supporting our dealers and restoring and ultimately improving our market share in these important markets.



Turning to our model year '25, we are excited to enter the boat show season where we will showcase our newest models, including the recently launched all-new Malibu M230 and the Cobalt R31. The all-new M230 exemplifies our commitment to luxury and advanced functionality. This model features a state-of-the-art Malibu Command Center enhanced with the new Malibu operating system, which allows for seamless wave control and preset water sport options. Other notable design elements include the Easy Stash Board Locker and Max Relax Sundeck, catering to both casual users and serious watersport enthusiasts.



We are also thrilled to introduce the all-new Cobalt R31, the latest addition to our Cobalt lineup. This luxury dayboat is designed to embody the exceptional quality and innovative features that have become the hallmark of the Cobalt brand. We look forward to showcasing our lineup at the Fort Lauderdale International Boat Show. Early feedback from dealers has been very positive, reinforcing our confidence in our industry-leading innovation, further solidifying our leadership in premium features and customer experience.



Separately, as a testament to our industry-leading innovation, we are pleased to announce that our 2024 Malibu Wakesetter 23 LSV has once again been recognized by Wake World Riders Choice Awards as Wake Surf and Wake Board Boat of the Year, marking the fifth consecutive year we have received this honor. This award reflects our consistent delivery of performance and quality that our customers have come to expect, reinforcing our leadership position in the towboat segment.



We continue to see positive market share gains across our brands. On a trailing 12-month basis through June, Cobalt continues to gain share, led by our Sterndrive segment gaining 200 basis points. Within Cobalt's 22- to 24-foot model segment, which are now being produced in our new Rowan County, Tennessee facility, we have gained over 250 basis points of share. And lastly, Pathfinder, which is represented by our Bay Boat segment, has gained 400 basis points of share. We continue to make great strides in our vertical integration initiatives. Recently, we completed the move of Malibu Electronics and are now fully producing wiring harnesses out of our new Rowan County facility. This fully integrated and consolidated footprint enhances our operational efficiency and positions us for the growth as market conditions recover.



As we discussed 2 months ago, we have taken the necessary actions to reset the business. Therefore, we are maintaining our full year guidance. Dealer inventory levels are aligned with historical averages, allowing us to better align wholesale shipments with retail demand. Our capacity expansion projects are also complete, giving us the ability to increase shipments should the retail market return to growth sooner than anticipated. We expect to see sequential improvement throughout the year in the top and bottom lines as wholesale shipments pick up.



As I continue to engage more deeply with the business, I am pleased to announce that we are planning to host an Investor Day in calendar year 2025. At this event, we will discuss our long-term strategy and outline our approach to sustained growth, operational excellence and product innovation. I look forward to sharing more details soon and excited about the future of our business. I'll now turn the call over to Bruce for further remarks on the quarter.

[Bruce Beckman, executive]

Thanks, Steve. Our results in the first quarter were slightly above our expectations. Net sales decreased 32.9% to $171.6 million and unit volume decreased 39.7% to 1,024 units. The decrease in net sales was driven primarily by decreased unit volumes across all segments, resulting primarily from decreased wholesale shipments, partially offset by favorable model mix and modest inflation-driven year-over-year price increases.



The Malibu and Axis brands represented approximately 37.5% of unit sales. Saltwater fishing represented 29.3% and Cobalt made up the remaining 33.2%. Consolidated net sales per unit increased 11.2% to $167,559 per unit, primarily driven by favorable model mix and modest inflation-driven year-over-year price increases.



Gross profit decreased 50.3% to $28.2 million, and gross margin was 16.4%. This compares to a gross margin of 22.2% in the prior year period. The decrease in gross margin was driven primarily by lower net sales associated with a nearly 40% reduction in unit volume. Cost of sales decreased 28% in a period where revenues declined 33%, demonstrating our operational excellence and highly variable cost structure, in line with our historical range of 80% to 90%.



Sequentially, gross margins improved by 850 basis points, primarily due to a return to more normalized levels of promotional support as expected. Selling and marketing expense decreased 15.4% in the first quarter. The decrease was driven primarily by lower event costs. As a percentage of sales, selling and marketing expense increased versus the prior year by 60 basis points to 2.8%



General and administrative expenses increased 31.6% or $6.5 million. The decrease was driven primarily by an increase in compensation-related expenses and higher legal fees, inclusive of the $3.5 million legal settlement with the trustee for the Tommy's estate previously mentioned by Steve. As a percentage of sales, G&A expenses increased 780 basis points versus the prior year to 15.9%.



GAAP net income for the quarter decreased 124.8% versus prior year to a net loss of $5.1 million. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter decreased 74.6% to $9.9 million and adjusted EBITDA margin decreased to 5.8% from 15.2%. Non-GAAP adjusted fully distributed net income per share decreased 92.9% to $0.08 per share. This is calculated using a normalized C-Corp tax rate of 24.5% and a fully distributed weighted average share count of approximately 20.6 million shares. For a reconciliation of GAAP metrics to adjusted EBITDA and adjusted fully distributed net income per share, please see the tables in our earnings release.



Turning our attention to capital, we continued to execute on our capital allocation priorities by repurchasing $10 million of stock in the quarter. Capital expenditures in the quarter were $8.6 million, putting us on track to our expected $30 million to $35 million in capital expenditure levels for the fiscal year. Our strong balance sheet and ample liquidity gives us the ability to invest in our core business and pursue value-creating acquisitions.



Turning our attention to the full year. Our view of the market has not changed since we last updated you during the Q4 earnings call in late August. The market continues to be challenging. The long-anticipated interest rate cuts have begun, which is a positive, but time will tell how many more cuts are required for payment buyers to return to the market. As discussed previously, we expect there to be a continued decline in retail demand for the remainder of the fiscal year, albeit at a reduced rate of the decline from last year. We also continue to expect our dealers to maintain a heightened focus on reducing their inventory below historical levels. We remain confident in our ability to execute our long-term strategy despite the near-term uncertainties. Therefore, we are keeping our fiscal year 2025 outlook unchanged.



For the full fiscal year, we continue to expect a year-over-year net sales increase of low single-digit percentage points. For Q2, we expect net sales to be up sequentially, but down high single-digit percentage points on a year-over-year basis given the challenging prior year comparison. This is our last challenging comparison of the year, and we expect our sales to return to growth in the back half of the year.



We continue to expect consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin for the full fiscal year to range between 10% to 12%. For Q2, we expect adjusted EBITDA margins of mid-single digit as we maintain modest production levels and a focus on dealer inventories. Our performance in the first quarter came in as expected, underscoring our progress on reducing channel inventories and normalizing promotional spending. We expect this progress to continue and provide tailwinds for the remainder of the year, particularly in the back half where comparisons ease.



We are encouraged to see the recent interest rate cuts. And given the strength of the innovation we are bringing to market, we are eagerly anticipating the boat show season. We remain optimistic about our competitive positioning in the industry and are prepared to support a resurgence in demand when the market recovers. Until then, our resilient business model, flexible cost structure and vertical integration strategies allow us to generate strong cash flow and execute on our capital allocation priorities. We are confident that our strategies, combined with our strong brand portfolio and dedicated team, will drive long-term growth and value creation for our shareholders. With that, I'd like to open up the call for questions.

[Operator]

(Operator Instructions) The first question comes from Eric Wold with B. Riley Securities.

[Eric Wold, analyst]

A couple of questions for me. I guess, first of all, can you maybe dig in a little bit more into the strength of ASPs in the quarter and how sustainable you think these levels can be going forward? I guess for incoming orders from the dealers now that inventories have normalized, are you seeing any kind of upward/downward shifts in kind of options and kind of whatnot baked into the models or ordering? And then as payment buyers return to the market, how would you expect that to skew ASPs, if at all? And I have a follow-up.

[Steven Menneto, executive]

Yes. Well, what I would say is, it's really driven a lot by the mix and just where the market is right now. It's the premium cash buyers that are driving the market, and we have a lot of premium offerings that we're bringing to market right now. Particularly this year in Malibu, the new models that we're introducing are all in the Malibu line, and they're very premium models. And so, within the quarter, that's really -- has been a big driver of our ASPs was that skewing towards the Malibu models. Yes. And Saltwater as well continues to be driven by the larger pursuits, and we've invested in the Cobia product lines as well, which are driving the mix there as well. Pretty strong mix in Q1.

[Eric Wold, analyst]

And then I know we're at the start of the boat show season right now. And you mentioned that your margins were benefited by your promotional activity kind of returning to more normalized levels. What would you expect to see at the boat shows? Or kind of what are you seeing from competitors in your markets right now in terms of their promotional activity? And how do you think that kind of plays out as you move through the boat show season if they're still a little bit too heavy in inventory in their markets?

[Steven Menneto, executive]

Yes, Eric, we expect it to be a competitive environment. I mean we saw sequentially our promotional spending improve as expected because we invested so heavily in Q4 to get our inventories in a good spot. They were lower in Q1, but they were not lower on a year-over-year basis. We continue to expect it to be a competitive retail market.

[Operator]

The next question is from Craig Kennison with Baird.

[Craig Kennison, analyst]

Steve, it's been about 100 days since you've been in that chair. And I'm just curious what observations you've made about opportunities or challenges now that you've had a chance to meet a lot of people and assess operations.

[Steven Menneto, executive]

Sure. Operations are really the core of the business. I think if you look at the history of Malibu has been particularly strong aspect of our business, being able to jump into it deeper with Ritchie and learning a lot from him and it really solidifies what I thought going in, which is that's a pillar of strength of our business. That was good to see. The market dynamics are a challenge with the current customers and how we look at payment buyers and so forth as we alluded to earlier in the call. We'll continue to monitor the industry, monitor the consumer, look to how do we sharpen our game on how to drive demand to our stores and help and work with our dealers to maximize retail to the fullest potential while we're in this downcycle a little bit. When it returns and those buyers recover, I think we're positioned well to do well. The company is in a good position. I've got more confidence in where we're going. We have operational strength, and we'll continue to work on our commercial side of our business to meet demand and to help our dealers maximize retail.

[Craig Kennison, analyst]

And I'm wondering, you came from the powersports world, just the nature of that distribution channel that seems to be -- there seems to be an incentive for OEMs to take up as much showroom space as possible. Otherwise, they would lose share. Is that dynamic similar in boats? Or do you feel like you have more partnership arrangements with your boat dealers such that if you've got a key brand in a category, you don't have to act irrationally with respect to how you plan inventory for that dealer.

[Steven Menneto, executive]

Yes. I think there is a difference between marine and powersports clearly. I think the size of the units itself, right, creates opportunities for share of floor. But yes, the relationships of how they represent the brands, in some of the marine segments the dealers are only carrying one brand in a particular segment and so forth, so the dynamics are different. But partnership is at the core in both industries, right? Partnering with the dealers is at the core, and that's what we plan on doing. We're heading to our Malibu dealer show here in a couple of days, and we'll meet with the Dealer Council and continue to meet dealers across the business. I've been to the Pursuit dealer meeting, been to the Cobalt dealer meeting, and continue to really engage dealers and learn from them and understand what challenges and what opportunities there are in their businesses and how we can be a better OEM. It's been educational. It's been different than powersports, which is noted, and we'll continue to work to make sure in the marine space we're an OEM that dealers want to be part of our business and be a partner with as we grow our business together.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Joe Altobello with Raymond James.

[Joseph Altobello, analyst]

I guess first question for you, Steve. In your prepared remarks, you mentioned the quarter was a little better than you expected. And maybe kind of at a high level, what drove that? It seems like sales were better and margins are better. I assume that's related. But what was the positive surprise in the quarter?

[Steven Menneto, executive]

The positives, Joe, have been the new products have been doing really well. The innovation continues to pay off in terms of driving share, satisfying customers. Those are the boats. Both in Malibu, what we've seen in Pursuit have been helping us in the first quarter. And it's, again, been the core of this business, and so that's kind of really where it mainly has been.

[Joseph Altobello, analyst]

Okay. Got it. And just a follow-up on that. I was a little surprised to hear that the promotional environment sounds like it's easing a little bit. How much of that is seasonal as we enter the winter months here?

[Steven Menneto, executive]

I think it is a little bit seasonal. It's also us having our inventories under control, smartly working with the dealers to get those in the right position. As we're entering the boat show season, as we said, we'll monitor where promotional environments go. We're encouraged right now that as we kick off Fort Lauderdale, we're optimistic about the boat show, but time will tell here over the weekend. Right now, I think it's a little seasonal. I think it's some other competitors working through a reduction of their inventories. But we're in pretty good shape. And I think we'll continue to monitor what's necessary to be competitive.

[Operator]

We have the next question from Noah Zatzkin with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

[Noah Zatzkin, analyst]

Maybe just one on the kind of M&A front. I guess, has the thought process kind of remained the same or changed around potentially kind of pursuing pontoons?

[Steven Menneto, executive]

Thought process hasn't changed. It remains an option for us. What we've said previously has been we're looking for value-creating M&A opportunities. If we get the right opportunity, we'll take a look. And if it makes sense for our business, we may move forward. But pontoons continue to be an option for us if it makes sense.

[Noah Zatzkin, analyst]

And not to put too fine a point on it, but have you given kind of like unit expectations for the fiscal year in terms of industry retail units? And then I guess relatedly, like maybe within your plan, how you're thinking about number of rate cuts and magnitude?

[Bruce Beckman, executive]

Yes. We don't give specific unit guidance and -- but we have shared that we expect the retail markets that we participate in to be down in the mid-single-digit range. We have shared that, and that's what we continue to believe.

[Noah Zatzkin, analyst]

And then just on rate cuts in the plan, how you're kind of thinking about that?

[Bruce Beckman, executive]

Yes. What I'd say is we don't speculate on interest rate cuts. We don't build a forecast on interest rate cuts. We just deal with the cards that we have visible in our hands, and that's factoring into the industry down in the mid-single-digit percentage range. We would love to be pleasantly surprised at some point in the future if there are enough cuts to kind of rekindle that activity of the payment buyers. And so that's -- given how we schedule our factories and how we have the ability to ramp and respond with the capacity that we have in place, we're confident we can support an upturn in the environment if that materializes.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Griffin Bryan with D.A. Davidson.

[Griffin Bryan, analyst]

It seems like retail for September specifically within the Sea Raye category looks pretty good relative to the rest of the categories. I guess, kind of like what do you attribute this to? And is there any indication that this continued through October?

[Steven Menneto, executive]

AYes. What I would say is we -- there always seems to be a little bit of a lag of when we see things, kind of an internal warranty registration, and when some of the boats flow through SSI. I think what you're seeing is some of our Q4 promotion activities showing up in the numbers as well as the Tommy's liquidation event really kicked into high gear in the September timeframe. Those boats are starting to flow through the SSI numbers as well.

[Griffin Bryan, analyst]

Got it. And then with the hurricane impacts, is there any early signs that there will be sizable insurance claims that could help with some dealer destocking for your products specifically?

[Bruce Beckman, executive]

That's -- counting on insurance companies to pay quickly enough to get people to have the cash in their pocket to buy a new boat is not something I want to base my guidance on. We would -- we hear anecdotally that there will likely be some replacement activity that takes place, but I wouldn't really want to speculate on the exact timing of that activity.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Greg Badishkanian from Wolfe Research.

[Frederick Wightman, analyst]

It's Fred Wightman on for Greg. I just -- I wanted to come back to the hurricane impact. I think you made a comment that some of the shipments, the dealers had asked for some delays or deferrals in shipments tied to the storms. I'm wondering if that in any way showed up in the reported 1Q results, if that's more of a shift to the back half of the year versus how you sort of thought the year would shake out initially? And if you could just help us with what, if any, the timing shift might be.

[Steven Menneto, executive]

Go ahead, Bruce.

[Bruce Beckman, executive]

Yes. Fred, I would just say it's minimal. It's a minimal shift from what we might have shipped in Q2 to what -- into the back half. But it's a modest impact.

[Frederick Wightman, analyst]

Okay. That's helpful. And in the past, really last quarter, you had talked about some market share impact from those impacted Tommy's markets. I'm wondering if you're still seeing those former Tommy's markets underperform or lag from a share perspective or if it's kind of closer to what you're seeing broadly?

[Steven Menneto, executive]

Yes. I mean the Tommy's markets are starting now to see that liquidation activity go through those markets. And up until that time, it's been a pretty big drag on us. I would expect that it's going to be a tailwind for the next couple of months as those boats flush through SSI. And then when we get back to the kind of a more normalized where our new dealers are the ones that are competing in market share battles in their respective markets.

[Operator]

Next question comes from Jaime Katz with Morningstar.

[Jaime Katz, analyst]

I wanted to ask about the line in your press release where you guys articulate that you're seeing some encouraging signs from a macro perspective. I think the rhetoric was a little bit different in the commentary, and so I'm curious if maybe that's something beyond just the start of interest rate cuts and OEMs behaving better.

[Bruce Beckman, executive]

No. I think it's really that start of interest rate cuts. I mean we've been talking about them for a long time. They've actually now started to happen. I think that was the spirit behind that comment. We're also, like we've been commenting on, we worked hard to help our dealer partners get their inventories back in line at the end of last fiscal year, and so we feel like we're going into the boat show season where the interest rates now have started to come down with a great model lineup and a pretty healthy inventory roster going into the shows. That's probably maybe a little more color on that spirit of optimism comment.

[Jaime Katz, analyst]

Okay. And then can you give us some color on input cost inflation? I'm thinking about, does that improve with higher throughput through the back half of the year? Are there some break points that maybe help ease any input cost inflation you guys are seeing and just sort of what to expect there?

[Bruce Beckman, executive]

Yes. I mean, I guess what I would say, Jaime, is that we're seeing very modest inflation. I mean, certainly it has come down quite substantially from where it was in the peak of COVID. Not really seeing it come down, though. I mean it's not turned into deflation. And I wouldn't expect that that will be where we'll see tailwinds on margin. I would say we'll get -- as the volumes increase, it will be more of a volume leverage on more of our fixed costs within the cost of sales line where we'll see the benefits.

[Operator]

Thank you. I am not showing any further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.