Hamilton Lane Inc

NASDAQ:HLNE

Earnings Call Analysis

Hamilton Lane Reports Strong Growth and New Strategic Partnerships

In Q2 of fiscal 2025, Hamilton Lane achieved a 21% increase in management and advisory fee revenue, alongside a 21% rise in fee-related earnings. Their GAAP EPS stands at $2.85, with a dividend of $0.49 per share, aiming for a 10% annual increase. Total asset footprint rose to $947 billion, a year-on-year growth of 11%. Notably, fee-earning AUM grew to $70 billion, reflecting a 14% increase, driven by specialized funds. The company also announced a strategic partnership with Northern Trust to integrate their analytics platform, Cobalt, enhancing service offerings. For fiscal year 2025, they expect continued momentum across their fund strategies.

Strong Financial Performance in Fiscal Q2 2025

Hamilton Lane reported robust financial results for the second quarter of fiscal 2025. The company's management and advisory fee revenues surged by 21% year-over-year, reflecting strong business momentum. This impressive growth translated into a GAAP earnings per share (EPS) of $2.85 and a non-GAAP EPS of $2.58, with net income rising to $114 million and adjusted net income climbing to $140 million.

Dividend Growth Strategy

The firm declared a dividend of $0.49 per share, maintaining a strategic increase target of 10% over the previous fiscal year. This positions the company on track to achieve a dividend target of $1.96 per share for the full fiscal year 2025, appealing to income-focused investors looking for stability and growth.

Asset Under Management (AUM) Increases

Hamilton Lane reported that its total asset footprint reached $947 billion, reflecting an 11% year-over-year increase. The company's Assets Under Management (AUM) grew to $131 billion, marking a 10% rise with an addition of $12 billion over the previous year. This growth was driven by the firm's specialized funds and customized separate accounts.

Rising Fee-Earning AUM and Blended Fee Rates

The fee-earning AUM reached approximately $70 billion, with a substantial growth of $8.3 billion or 14% compared to last year. Notably, the blended fee rate increased from 57 basis points at the time of the company’s IPO in 2017 to over 60 basis points today, showcasing the shift towards higher-fee specialized funds.

Expansion of Private Market Offerings

The company continues to strengthen its presence in the private markets with significant net inflows of $5.2 billion into specialized funds, representing a 21% year-over-year increase. Particularly, Hamilton Lane’s Evergreen funds saw an impressive growth trajectory, averaging over $220 million in net inflows per month, contributing to a nearly 75% growth of total AUM within these offerings over the last year.

Partnerships and Technology Initiatives

Hamilton Lane has embarked on a strategic partnership with Northern Trust, integrating its private market data and analytics software, Cobalt, into Northern’s services. This partnership enhances service offerings for institutional clients and may provide revenue generation opportunities as it expands.

Future Growth and Market Positioning

The executives expressed confidence in capturing growth within new distribution channels as major brokers look to offer alternative investment products. They anticipate a long-term strategic shift where individual portfolios begin to mirror institutional investors, presenting an enormous potential market opportunity.

Managing Operational Expenses

Despite an increase in total expenses by $48.6 million compared to the previous year due to higher compensation related to growth initiatives, the firm managed to maintain a relatively healthy fee-related earnings (FRE) margin of 43%. This margin reflects effective cost management in line with overall firm growth.

Performance Awards and Equity Alignment

Hamilton Lane’s management emphasized their commitment to equity alignment through performance awards. These awards are structured in three tranches with a potential dilution of approximately 2% if fully vested, further ensuring that leadership is incentivized to align with shareholder interests.

Looking Ahead: Strategic Vision and Commitment

Looking ahead into fiscal 2025, Hamilton Lane's management remains optimistic about achieving measured growth and maintaining strong revenues, especially as they continue to expand their product lines and focus on performance across private and public investment markets.

Earnings Call Transcript 2025-Q2

[Operator]

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Hamilton Lane Fiscal Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded on Wednesday, November 6, 2024.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. John Oh, Head of Shareholders. Please go ahead.

[John Oh, executive]

Thank you, Nicole. Good morning, and welcome to the Hamilton Lane Q2 Fiscal 2025 Earnings Call. Today, I will be joined by Erik Hirsch, Co-Chief Executive Officer; and Jeff Armbrister, Chief Financial Officer.

Earlier this morning, we issued a press release and slide presentation, which are available on our website. Before we discuss the quarter's results, we want to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements discuss our current expectations and projections relating to our financial position, results of operations, plans, objectives, future performance and business. These forward-looking statements do not guarantee future events or performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those projected. For a discussion of these risks, please review the cautionary statements and risk factors included in the Hamilton Lane fiscal 2024 10-K and subsequent reports we file with the SEC. These forward-looking statements are made only as of today, and except as required, we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of them.

We will be also referring to non-GAAP measures that we view as important in assessing the performance of our business. Reconciliation of those non-GAAP measures to GAAP can be found in the earnings presentation materials made available on the Shareholders section of the Hamilton Lane website. Our detailed financial results will be made available when our 10-Q is filed. Please note that nothing on this call represents an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase interest in any of Hamilton Lane's products.

Let's start with the highlights. Year-to-date through the second quarter of fiscal 2025, our management and advisory fee revenue grew by 21%, while our fee-related earnings also grew by 21% versus the prior year period. This translated into GAAP EPS of $2.85 based on $114 million of GAAP net income and non-GAAP EPS of $2.58 based on $140 million of adjusted net income. We have also declared a dividend of $0.49 per share this quarter, which keeps us on track for the 10% increase over last fiscal year, equating to the targeted $1.96 per share for fiscal year 2025. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Erik.

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. Before I go into detail on the quarter's results, I want to acknowledge a milestone that occurred for Hamilton Lane during the quarter. On September 23, HLNE was officially added to the S&P MidCap 400 Index. Throughout our 33-year history, we've had a singular focus of delivering results for our clients, recognizing that doing that well will also benefit our shareholders and employees. This simple, but effective strategy continues to serve us well and being included in the S&P 400 marks another great achievement for our firm. Both Juan and I are extremely grateful and proud of all the dedication that each Hamilton Lane professional brings to work every day and helping to serve our clients and to grow our business.

Now let's move on to the results from the quarter, and I'll start with our total asset footprint. This stood at $947 billion and represents an 11% increase to our footprint year-over-year. AUM stood at $131 billion at quarter end and grew $12 billion or 10% compared to the prior year period. The growth came from both our specialized funds and customized separate accounts. AUA was up $81 billion or 11% year-over-year, primarily the result of market value growth and the addition of technology solution and back-office mandates.

Turning now to fee earning AUM. The story here continues to be the same. Strong total growth, largely driven by our specialized fund platform, where we are adding new product lines and expanding existing ones. Our total fee-earning AUM stood at approximately $70 billion and grew $8.3 billion or 14% relative to the prior year period. Now taken separately, $3.1 billion of net fee-earning AUM came from our customized separate accounts, and over the same period, $5.2 billion came from our specialized funds.

As we detailed in our Shareholder Day, our blended fee rate across the platform has been steadily increasing year-over-year. This stems from the continuing shift in the mix of our fee-earning AUM towards higher fee rate specialized funds most notably our evergreen products where growth remains impressive. When we went public in 2017, our blended fee rate was 57 basis points. Today, it stands at over 60 basis points, excluding the impact from retro fees.

Moving now to additional detail on our customized separate accounts. Fee earning AUM here stood at $39.4 billion and grew 9% year-over-year. We continue to see the growth coming from clients across type, mandate size and geographic location. As we noted on our last call, we continue to increasingly see separate account mandates include meaningful allocations to private market transactions, including secondaries and direct equity and credit investments. For our separate accounts, when possible, those allocations are fulfilled with commitments to our specialized funds focused on those specific transaction types. This results in the AUM and management fees being captured within those specific funds, not in the separate account category. While optically, this results in more modest dollar growth in separate account fee-earning AUM, we are simply capturing those separate account dollars in higher fee rate specialized funds.

Let's move now to our specialized funds where momentum continues to be strong. At quarter end, fee earning AUM here stood at $30.4 billion. Over the past 12 months, we achieved positive net inflows of $5.2 billion, representing an increase of 21% relative to the prior year period. This growth stem from additional closes for funds in market, robust investment activity and continued expansion of our Evergreen platform.

Moving on to fundraising activity during the quarter, and I'll begin here with our Strategic Opportunities Fund, which is our annual direct credit fund targeting the institutional LP. As a refresher, the series of funds is effectively always in market as we raise and deploy the capital with short investment periods and charge management fees on net invested capital. After the quarter, we held additional closes that totaled $60 million, which brought the total raise for the series to nearly $210 million. Our strategic opportunities fund remains a key component of our overall private credit platform that includes our discretionary separate accounts and our Evergreen platform. If you total our 8 prior funds, we have raised nearly $5 billion for this program going back to 2015.

Moving now to our venture product. As a reminder, we have been actively investing in the venture space since 1996, primarily through our separate account and advisory businesses. This new product combines our long-standing and successful track record with our strong access to top-performing managers in order to provide investors with a one-stop shop to the venture space, including primary, secondary and co-investment transactions. I'm pleased to announce that through the most recent closing on November 5, we've raised nearly $500 million of LP commitments for this first venture-focused fund, and we'll look to finalize fundraising in the first calendar quarter of 2025. We are proud of the successful fundraise and appreciate the support from investors.

Let's move now to our [ Impax ] product. Our [indiscernible] strategy seeks to directly invest in companies with the goal of generating returns alongside a measurable environmental and/or social impact. Our 2 prior funds in this strategy raised nearly $95 million and $370 million, respectively. On October 16, we held the first close for our third vintage in the strategy with nearly $110 million of LP commitments. Like all of our specialized fund strategies, our goal is to grow and scale each product in a tactical and methodical manner, and we are pleased with the growth of the Impact product thus far and look forward to providing you updates with this latest fundraise.

Now on to our evergreen funds. As of September 30, total AUM across our 3 existing offerings stood at nearly $8.4 billion with the platform having grown nearly 75% over the last 12 months. Monthly net inflows remained strong as we averaged over $220 million for the third calendar quarter of 2024. During our shareholder day in June, we highlighted the opportunity we believe is in front of us related to continued growth of both our existing Evergreen product offerings and our commitment to bring new products to market. On October 8, we announced the launch of our newest infrastructure Evergreen products, which now complements our diversified private markets and credit offerings. These newly launched infrastructure Evergreen products highlight our ability to execute on our strategic vision, and we remain active in the creation of additional new offerings.

Lastly, a key component to our ability to successfully launch new Evergreen products is the ability to seed these launches with balance sheet capital. Recently, we closed on a $100 million senior notes offering. The offering was well received in the market and resulted in us both diversifying our funding sources and expanding our capital markets access. We've already put some of this capital to work with our infrastructure evergreen funds and our overall goal in Evergreen remains simple: continue to deliver high-quality products to the market to ensure investors have access to the benefits of this asset class.

Now before I turn the call over to Jeff to discuss the financials, I want to take a quick moment and highlight a recent announcement regarding our newest strategic technology partnership with Northern Trust, who is a leading provider of wealth management, asset servicing, asset management and banking services to both institutional and individual investors. Northern Trust will now offer its clients access to our private markets data, analytics and tools with a key component of this partnership centering around providing Northern Trust's institutional clients with access to Cobalt. Our proprietary private market data and analytics software system. The combination of Cobalt and Northern Trust suite of front office solutions result in a powerful and comprehensive front-to-back solution for their clients.

This strategic agreement represents yet another example of our unique ability to partner with the world's leading financial institutions and deliver our private markets expertise, access and capabilities and a mutually beneficial arrangement. These unique partnerships help accomplish our goal of increased brand awareness through the integration of our advanced suite of technology and data solutions to an increasingly growing population of both institutional and noninstitutional private market investors. We are excited to embark on this journey with Northern Trust. And with that, I'll now pass the call to Jeff, who will cover the financials.

[Jeffrey Armbrister, executive]

Thank you, Erik, and good morning, everyone. Year-to-date for fiscal 2025, we've achieved strong growth in our business with management and advisory fees up 21% versus the prior year period. Our specialized funds revenue increased by $40 million or 33% compared to the prior year period. This was driven primarily by a $3.6 billion increase to fee-earning AUM in our Evergreen platform and $2.5 billion raised in our latest secondary fund over the last 12 months.

Retro fees for the fiscal year were $20.7 million, primarily stemming from the final close of our most recent secondary fund versus $8.8 million from that same fund that held closes in the prior year period. As a reminder, investors that come into later closes during a fundraise pay retroactive fees dating back to the fund's first close.

For the remainder of fiscal year 2025, our current direct equity funded market will be the primary driver of quarterly retro fees now that our secondary fund has finished fundraising. Our latest secondary fund represented our largest institutional fundraise and thus generated the largest amount of retro fees in our history during the fiscal year 2024 and the first quarter of fiscal 2025. This is expected to have some impact on the year-over-year specialized funds revenue growth comparison going forward.

Moving on to customized separate accounts. Revenue increased $4.5 million or 7% compared to the prior year period due to the addition of new accounts, re-ups from existing clients and continued investment activity. Revenue from our reporting, monitoring, data and analytics offerings increased by $2.3 million compared to the prior year period.

Lastly, the final component of our revenue is incentive fees. Year-to-date incentive fees totaled $87 million and are up 133% relative to the prior year period.

Let's now turn to our unrealized carry balance. The balance is up 9% from the prior year period, while having recognized $151.6 million of incentive fees during the last 12 months. The unrealized carry balance now stands at approximately $1.3 billion.

Moving to expenses. Total expenses year-to-date increased $48.6 million compared with the prior year period. Total compensation and benefits increased by $43.5 million, driven primarily by higher compensation associated with increased head count and incentive fee-related compensation relative to the prior year period. G&A increased $5.1 million, driven primarily by revenue-related expenses, including the third-party commissions related to our U.S. Evergreen product being offered on wire houses that we've discussed on prior calls. Fee-related earnings, or FRE, were up 21% relative to the prior year period as a result of the management fee and fee earning AUM growth discussed earlier. FRE margin for the quarter came in at 43%. Fiscal 2025 year-to-date FRE margin also came in at 43%.

We managed our expenses in line with overall firm growth and aim to continue investing and supporting growth initiatives while also maintaining healthy management fee profitability.

Before moving on, I'd like to take a moment to provide some details related to our performance awards. We strongly believe in equity alignment for our leadership team and have granted performance awards to align incentives. Each performance award is divided into 3 tranches. And each tranche includes 2 vesting conditions, a required 5-year service period following the grant date and price target thresholds for our stock. The thresholds are $150, $190 and $230 per share. The first price target threshold has been met and thus, the first tranche will vest at the end of the service period. The potential dilution, if all tranches of the performance awards vest would be approximately 2% of our current fully diluted outstanding shares.

I'll wrap up now with some commentary on our balance sheet. Our largest asset continues to be our investments alongside our clients in our customized separate accounts and specialized funds. Over the long term, we view these investments as an important component of our continued growth, and we'll continue to invest our balance sheet capital alongside our clients. With regard to our liabilities, as Erik mentioned earlier, we recently issued $100 million of senior notes that are scheduled to mature on October 15, 2029. The interest rates on the notes is fixed at 5.28% and will be paid semiannually.

Throughout our history, we've strategically utilized the firm's balance sheet and capital in support of our business. The strength of our balance sheet and our ability to invest and support continued growth through initiatives represents a key component of our strategic vision. Today, the largest asset on the firm's balance sheet is our GP commitments alongside our clients and seed investments into recently launched products, something we are extremely proud of. We aim to continue supporting these growth initiatives, and we have now secured new capital that will allow for this important work to continue while maintaining a conservative leverage profile. With that, we will now open up the call for questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our first question will be coming from Ken Worthington from JPMorgan.

[Kenneth Worthington, analyst]

There's a number of brokers that are looking to offer alternative products to their clients for the first time. Can you talk about the opportunities ahead for you in these new distribution channels? And can you sort of size what you see relative to the distribution you brought on, say, over the last 12 months or so?

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

Ken, thanks for the question. It's Erik. I'll take that. I think if we step back, you're asking a pretty macro question, and so I'll give you a macro response. I think at the widest aperture of the lens, what you see is a world where the vast majority of mass affluent individuals don't have any exposure to the private markets. And so I think what we're really beginning to see here is a change where you'll begin to see individual investors begin to have portfolios that more likely mirror institutional investors. That is going to be a change that is going to take place over a long period of time. And so I continue to use the analogy of this is we're running a marathon, not a sprint here.

And so I think when you look at the amount of wealth held in individuals hands globally, we're talking something that's in the many, many, many trillions of dollars. And so if we think about just moving 1% of that or 3% of that or eventually 10% or 15% of that into the private markets, again, more akin to what we see in the institutional world, [indiscernible] a massive amount of capital that will transform our industry as well as our business and that will take place over a long time period. So we think we're at a great starting point for what is going to be a very long and exciting journey.

[Kenneth Worthington, analyst]

Maybe as a follow-up, is more being asked of you from these new platforms as they come online versus, say, the wirehouses or the RIAs that have come online already? Or is what Hamilton Lane is being asked of essentially the same? Like are you being asked to do more on the client servicing, client management in the future versus what you've done in the past?

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

So, it's Erik. The answer is no. I think what people are looking for is consistent regardless of platforms that they're coming through. People want education. They want transparency around the asset class, and they want an easily accessible product that has good performance. And so I think whether that's a customer coming through a wire or a customer coming from an individual RIA, that's what they're looking for.

And I think one of the reasons why we've been so successful is, this is a firm that has an incredibly strong client service DNA and understands how to service customers, and we're really good at the education piece because of our data and technology. And I think that's helping to sort of stand us apart.

[Operator]

Our next question will be coming from Alex Blostein from Goldman Sachs.

[Alexander Blostein, analyst]

you guys have had lots of success on the specialized funds over the last couple of quarters with the secondary business obviously coming in strongly last quarter, but maybe help us with kind of anything on the comp as you look at the lineup of specialist funds outside of the kind of Evergreen retail-oriented vehicles, call it, over the next 12 to 18 months in terms of what's coming up?

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

Sure, Alex, it's Erik. So I think, as I mentioned, this is going to be about putting a variety of products in market, and so that's what we are doing right now. So direct equity of what we have is sort of poised to be the largest of what's currently in market impact growing nicely. Again, that was a business where when we sort of did our first one, and it was sub-$100 million, I think there were some questions of why bother? And our answer was, look, we have to start, and the goal is to start and have success and then scale, and we're doing that. And so that is growing. I think we're really happy to finally get a venture product in market that we think has a lot of market appeal. And so coming out of the gate with that as sort of an initial fund of $500-plus million that feels good.

So I think we have a lot of products in market, a lot of closings that are kind of coming up across the board, and we just have a lot of work ahead of us to make sure we do these all successfully.

[Alexander Blostein, analyst]

I got you. Great. And then a quick clarification question. I heard your comments around equity awards. Can you just refresh us on what the total equity-based comp number is going to look like from here and just the trajectory of stock-based compensation, I guess, beyond this fiscal year?

[Jeffrey Armbrister, executive]

Yes. We're looking at -- this is Jeff. We're looking at $30 million per year, and the awards are structured as a 5-year award. So that's the time horizon that we're thinking about.

[Operator]

Next is from Michael Cyprys from Morgan Stanley.

[Michael Cyprys, analyst]

Maybe just given the change in administration here in D.C. and then the election here. Just curious if you see that impacting potentially helping private markets unlock access to retirement accounts. Maybe just remind us what hurdles do you see? How might those be overcome potentially with the change in administration here? And how is Hamilton Lane positioning to access the retirement space?

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

Thanks, Mike. It's Erik. So I think like everyone, we're sort of digesting this morning and doing it amidst the earnings day. So timing, perhaps a little suboptimal. I think my macro reaction to this would be, if we're thinking about retirement, obviously, a lot of the capital that we're pulling in for Evergreen now is retirement capital. It's just not housed in a 401(k) vehicle.

So I think to your question, what we're really talking about is whether we see the 401(k) market opening up. There are, as you know, sort of a multitude of regulatory changes that will need to alter in order for that to happen. I have no idea as we sit here today, whether that's going to be a priority of this administration or not. What I can say is to the extent that the regs alter and Evergreen like products or inclusion in target date funds with a private market allocation becomes a reality, I think what that market is looking for is exactly the same as what we're already experiencing in our current Evergreen environment, which is good trusted brand, good access, good performance, good product knowledge. And so if that market alters, we feel like we're very, very well positioned to participate there in a meaningful way.

[Michael Cyprys, analyst]

Maybe if I could just follow up, just curious what specific changes you think would need to be -- to occur in order to help sort of facilitate that. And just anything practically, we hear oftentimes color from about record keeper system, maybe not being able to accommodate. Just curious how you see that and how you might be able to help move that ball forward over time?

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

Yes. I think, one, I'm not sure that will be a driver of any of the change. But if you think about how 401(k)s operate today, one, they're freely tradable. And so at a minimum, you're going to need to address sort of the valuation component of this. And then the second part is, right now, there are rules in place for a variety of fund vehicles that have to do with how much kind of potentially illiquid assets or less liquid assets can be included.

So I think there's both legal changes, but there's a lot of just practical aspects of what putting an asset that today is not sort of mark-to-market second by second into an environment where people are accustomed to having all liquid, all marked and all market-driven valuations. So I think the hurdles are real, and it's why we still today, have been talking about whether or not we will see private markets in 401(k)s for the last couple of decades, and the answer has continued to remain no.

[Operator]

Next in line will be coming from Mike Brown from Wells Fargo Securities.

[Michael Brown, analyst]

Wanted to dive into the partnership with Northern Trust. Can you just expand a little more on that, Erik? How will Northern clients utilize Cobalt. Can you maybe provide some examples there? And how do you kind of monetize that partnership? And then maybe just a follow-on there. How -- are there -- is there an opportunity to continue to expand with other financial institutions? And then is there an opportunity to actually expand into the wealth side at Northern Trust as well?

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

Yes, Mike, Erik, thanks for the question. Think if we sort of, again, think about what Northern's institutional customer is dealing with, and I don't think there's anything unique about their individual or institutional customer is that they have a portion of their assets in the private markets. And is that we sort of see growing across institutional customer bases is that proportion of assets in the private market gets bigger, your desire to analyze it and have it benchmarked and look at risk factors and think about cash flow forecasting, all of that becomes very necessary and desirable. And then if you sort of think about what is Cobalt, that is what Cobalt is doing. It's a data and analytics software system that allows people to import, upload their portfolio of private market holdings and do benchmarking, comp comparisons, cash flow forecasting, public market equivalent calculations, et cetera.

And so Northern is essentially plugging our SaaS system into their current system to kind of give, as I said, that sort of front-to-back solution for their customer base. So we're excited. We're excited, I think, largely because in Northern, you have an incredibly blue-chip organization that ran in a very rigorous process looking at what private market systems were out there. Obviously, there are choices to be made. And they made the choice in selecting us. We're very proud of that. We're excited about this from a brand enhancement standpoint as well as, obviously, some revenue generation. And certainly, our goal is to make sure that we do the best possible job we can with Northern and that ultimately have that usage expand across not only institutional investors, but also into individual investors.

And to your second point, yes, we see this as a chance to have other partnerships across the market because we believe that in Cobalt, we have built the market-leading private market analytics software system, and I think the market is recognizing that.

[Michael Brown, analyst]

Okay. Great. As a follow-up question on the specialized fund side. Obviously, growth has been very impressive there. This quarter, the fee rate, excluding the retro fees, looks like it declined quarter-over-quarter. Looks like mainly on the institutional side. Anything to point there out there? And as we think about that go forward, is this quarter the right jumping off point?

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

So it's Erik again. I'll stick with that. I think this is just simply noise in the numbers. The fee rates on our specialized funds are not altering, and so again, just depending on retro closing timings and what is just happening there, you're going to see that bounce quarter-to-quarter.

We are encouraging, and I will do so here to have people look at this year-over-year because that will take out the noise. And as we noted, if you sort of look at the year-over-year and look at that trend line, it has continued to be an up and to the right. Quarter-to-quarter, you're going to see some volatility. But year-over-year, I think you see what the actual pattern is.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] Our last question will be coming from Alan Hall from KBW.

[Unknown Analyst]

Maybe just a follow-up on the Evergreen products platform. I know it's still early days and a lot of potential growth. But I was wondering if you could kind of talk to the uptake you're seeing in the channel with clients investing in multiple products. Maybe a part of that, are you seeing more competition with products that are maybe more diversified across different asset classes. I know you -- part of the value adds you're offering is the diversity across different managers. But it would be great to just hear if you're seeing any change in appetite as it relates to single asset class products versus multi-asset class products?

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

Thanks for the question. It's Erik. So our visibility is going to be somewhat limited. We're going to know whether, in some cases, whether we are getting clients in multiple Hamilton Lane products, which we are, but we wouldn't necessarily know whether they are doing a Hamilton Lane product and a product of another service provider. We wouldn't necessarily have that visibility. What we can -- what I can say to you kind of anecdotally and sort of through, again, a lot of our interactions is that the appeal of our sort of diversified flagship funds is just that. They're a great anchor product to put down to give people kind of instant exposure across industry, across size of business, across manager. And so that has been a nice anchor tool.

And then it allows the financial adviser and customer to decide whether they want to put an additional overweight in any particular area, whether that might be infrastructure or credit or something of the like. And so that's sort of how we're positioned today. Yes, there is competition. Yes, I'm sure there's going to be increased competition, but that's the reality of a growing attractive marketplace, and we sort of see that we're well positioned, and I think the numbers really speak to that.

[John Oh, executive]

Nicole, are there any more questions?

[Operator]

There are no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Erik Hirsch, CEO, for final closing comments.

[Erik Hirsch, executive]

Again, much appreciate the time. I suspect a lot of you like us are a little tired after spending a lot of time up last night watching too much television. So we appreciate the time. We appreciate the support. Have a great day.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.