Cytokinetics Inc

NASDAQ:CYTK

Earnings Call Transcript 2022-Q1

[Operator]

Good afternoon. And welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to Cytokinetics' First Quarter 2022 conference call. At this time, I’d like to inform you that this call is being recorded and that all participants are in a listen-only mode. At the c’s request, we will open the call for questions-and-answers after the presentation. [Operator Instructions].

I will now turn the call over to Diane Weiser, Cytokinetics' Senior Manager of Corporate Communications and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Diane Weiser, SVP of Corporate Communications and IR]

Good afternoon, and thanks for joining us on the call today. Robert Blum, President and Chief Executive Officer, will begin with a brief overview of the quarter and recent developments. Fady Malik, EVP of R&D, will then provide updates related to omecamtiv mecarbil and aficamten; Andrew Callos, EVP and Chief Commercial Officer, will discuss commercialization planning activities for omecamtiv mecarbil and our franchise strategy related to aficamten; Stuart Kupfer, SVP and Chief Medical Officer will provide an update on reldesemtiv. Robert Wong, VP and Chief Accounting Officer, will provide a financial overview for the past quarter. And Ching Jaw, SVP and Chief Financial Officer, will discuss our financial outlook and corporate development strategies. Finally, Robert Blum will provide closing comments and review expected key milestones for 2022.

Please note that portions of the following discussion including our responses to questions contain statements that relate to future events and performance rather than historical facts and constitute forward-looking statements. Our actual results might differ materially from those projected in these forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those in these forward-looking statements is contained in our SEC filings, including our current report regarding our first quarter 2022 financial results filed on Form 8-K today. We undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements after this call.

Now I will turn the call over to Robert.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you, Diane, and thanks again to everyone for joining us on the call today. We had a productive, and we're moving closer toward our planned transformation to become a fully integrated research development and commercial company.

Most notably, our NDA for omecamtiv mecarbil was accepted for filing by the FDA with a PDUFA date of November 20 -- I'm sorry, November 30, 2022. Since then, we've had ongoing interactions with FDA to address specific queries, and the team at Cytokinetics has worked diligently to prepare timely responses to their request. Will soon meet with FDA in a midcycle review of our application, as is customary. And for the most part queries to date, have been administrative, or have supported additional requested analyses.

The NDA acceptance was also a key derisking milestone that ungated certain spending related to our measured commercial readiness activities. We've continued to build our teams and create a commercial infrastructure to support the potential approval of omecamtiv mecarbil in the near term, and also the potential commercialization of aficamten following completion of our pivotal trials, SEQUOIA-HCM and subsequently its potential FDA submission for approval.

We're pleased to be attracting very high caliber talent, and we're hiring individuals who bring with them great experience and expertise.

From a clinical perspective, we shared additional data from two new analyses from GALACTIC-HF at ACC, and that add to our understandings of both the clinical and pharmacoeconomic impacts associated with the addition of treatment with omecamtiv mecarbil when added to standard of care therapy. We continue to believe that omecamtiv mecarbil can make a meaningful impact on important outcomes when added to standard of care and for the right patient. And we believe that clinical opportunity affords a solid business case for establishing commercial capabilities, as well as to serve our cardiac muscle franchise objectives.

Building on that theme, during the quarter, we also made significant advances in the development program for aficamten, including the opening of enrollment in SEQUOIA-HCM, the pivotal Phase 3 clinical trial of aficamten in patients with symptomatic obstructive HCM. As Fady will elaborate, site startup and activation activities are progressing on pace, as is the screening and enrollment of patients.

Following the positive results from Cohort 3 of REDWOOD-HCM shared during the quarter, we're now enrolling patients whose background therapy includes disopyramide into SEQUOIA-HCM, a key milestone and opportunity to include the sickest patients in need of new therapeutic options.

We've also opened enrollment in Cohort 4 of REDWOOD-HCM for patients with non-obstructive HCM, an important patient segment representing approximately one third of the prevalent HCM patient population.

At the end of the first quarter, we remained on strong financial footing, with over two years of projected cash runway even as we expect our operating expenses may increase next year. This year will be a transformational one for the company with key milestones across our pipeline, and we're moving closer to making good on our promise to bring forward new muscle directed medicines for patients with diseases of impaired muscle function.

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Fady please.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

Thanks, Robert. While the NDA is under review by FDA, we are continuing to pursue additional learnings from GALACTIC-HF. Last month at ACC we presented new data from an analysis of GALACTIC-HF showing that the effect of treatment with omecamtiv mecarbil versus placebo on the primary outcome was similar in hospitalized patients and outpatients indicating that omecamtiv mecarbil similarly reduced the risk of the primary outcome, both when initiated in hospitalized patients and in outpatients.

Additionally, this analysis showed that starting treatment within the omecamtiv mecarbil in the hospital was both safe and well tolerated, speaking to the ability to initiate omecamtiv mecarbil in these patients who are at greater risk for rehospitalization, and cardiovascular death. Importantly, recent published studies have shown that the medication started while patients are in the hospital have some of the best long-term adherence, making these results more significant.

Additionally, at ACC, we presented the full results from METEORIC-HF evaluating the effect of 20 weeks of treatment with omecamtiv mecarbil compared to placebo on exercise capacity. There was no effect on the primary endpoint, which was the change in peak oxygen uptake or peak VO2, as measured by cardiopulmonary exercise testing from baseline to week 20.

This study joins other studies of heart failure therapies that have shown a positive impact on cardiovascular outcomes, but have not been successful in impacting exercise performance in patients with heart failure. These data further suggests, it may be particularly challenging to impact exercise capacity in this patient population, possibly due to comorbidities, or deconditioning, associated with heart failure. The results from METEORIC do add to the safety profile of omecamtiv mecarbil showing that under conditions of peak exercise, adverse events, including major cardiac adverse events are similar between the treatment arms.

As we stated previously, we do not expect the results from METEORIC-HF to have an impact on the NDA currently under review by the FDA.

Also during ACC, new joined guidelines were issued by ACC, AHA and HFSA including updates to treatment options for treating patients with heart failure and reduced ejection fraction. In particular, the guidelines outline the characteristics of patients with persistent or worsening heart failure, whose risks of adverse cardiovascular outcomes are high.

Also, GLP-II inhibitors were added as a fourth class of medication within guideline directed medical therapy, or GDMT. We believe these updates augur well for the possibility of future inclusion of omecamtiv mecarbil and guidelines as an add on therapy to standard of care therapy, particularly in patients with persistent or worsening heart failure, who remain symptomatic, and whose risks are elevated despite being on GDMT.

We continue to prepare for the potential approval of omecamtiv mecarbil. On the medical affairs side we doubled the size of our therapeutic medical scientists team, hired a field director and began recruitment for our managed healthcare medical sciences team. I'm also pleased to announce that we have two abstracts from GALACTIC-HF accepted for presentation in the late breaking science session at the European Society of Cardiology Heart Failure 2022 taking place in Madrid from May 21 to May 24.

One is an analysis of the effects of omecamtiv mecarbil on patients with lower blood pressure, and the other is an analysis in patients with tricuspid regurgitation as baseline. We look forward to re engaging with our European colleagues that we've not seen for some time given the pandemic.

Turning now to aficamten. As Robert mentioned, it was a productive quarter for this multifaceted development program. Notably, we opened enrollment in SEQUOIA-HCM. The Phase 3 pivotal trial of aficamten in patients with symptomatic obstructive HCM. SEQUOIA-HCM will assess the potential of aficamten to improve exercise capacity, symptoms and functional class and patients with obstructive HCM and will employ a personalized dosing scheme to maximize the potential treatment effect and enable patients to reach their target dose quickly.

Following the positive results of Cohort 3 of REDWOOD-HCM, we're now including patients whose background therapy includes disopyramide. Sites across the U.S. are actively screening and enrolling patients, and many others are conducting startup activities. We expect sites outside of the US to begin screening patients in early Q3.

Additionally, during the quarter, we opened enrollment in Cohort 4 of REDWOOD-HCM for symptomatic patients with non-obstructive HCM. Cohort 4 will enroll 30 to 40 patients in an open label fashion to escalating doses of aficamten of 5-10 or 15 milligrams as informed by echocardiography.

While the primary objective is the safety and tolerability of aficamten. We're also evaluating the effect of aficamten on left ventricular ejection fraction, New York Heart Association Functional Class on Cardiac Biomarkers including NP pro-BNP, we expect the data from this cohort to inform the design and conduct of a potential pivotal Phase 3 clinical trial in non-obstructive HCM following the completion of Cohort 4.

To remind you, last quarter, we announced our plan to begin a second Phase 3 clinical trial of aficamten in obstructive HCM in the second half of this year. We received many questions about this plan trial. So let me provide some clarifications. First, this trial was not requested by FDA, and SEQUOIA-HCM remains the sole pivotal Phase 3 trial with which we believe we would submit for approval of aficamten.

Second, the goal of this additional Phase 3 trial is to better understand and position the use of aficamten relative to standard of care therapy. As such, it will not be a head-to-head trial against mavacamten. We believe we have an opportunity to advance the field with a next-in-class drug candidate by pursuing important scientific questions. And this trial along with others we may conduct may address questions important to understanding the use of a therapy with a new mechanism of action in patients with a spectrum of disease severity, and background therapy.

Often these trials await initial drug approval, but we're confident in aficamten and believe it's advantageous to embark on the study sooner. We know there's greater interest in the design of this trial. And we plan to share more detail later this year.

Towards our goal of sharing longer term data on the treatment of aficamten in patients with obstructive HCM, we're pleased to announce that the first data cut from the open label extension of REDWOOD-HCM will be presented in a late breaking science session at the Heart Failure 2022 Meeting in Madrid. This interim look will include data from up to six months of treatment with aficamten. Patients continue to be treated with aficamten, the open label extension, and further analyses of these data are still forthcoming later this year.

Looking beyond aficamten, we're pleased to see that FDA recently approved mavacamten for the treatment of patients with obstructive HCM, making it the first medical therapy for HCM to be approved by the FDA. We'd like to offer our congratulations to the teams who work to bring this new mechanism therapy to patients and take pride in this milestone given our discovery role for the program.

This is a milestone for patients with HCM who've been in desperate need for new therapies to address the heavy burden of symptoms they endure. We also believe this milestone approval will provide context for our own potential differentiation of aficamten following results from our pivotal trial.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Andrew to provide an update on our commercial readiness activities and planned cardiovascular franchise strategy.

[Andrew Callos, EVP and Chief Commercial Officer]

Thanks, Fady. During the first quarter we continue to build out our commercial capability as an organization, we began hiring our first line field-based sales force leaders, as well as filling key positions across marketing, market access, sales and commercial operations. We've selected a patient support service partner, continued payer interactions and activities supportive of deploying our field force.

As we continue engaging with payers, we are mindful of the critical importance of the potential value proposition for omecamtiv mecarbil. Recently at ACC, we presented data from a healthcare resource utilization analysis from GALACTIC-HF showing that among a subgroup of patients treatment with omecamtiv mecarbil reduced resource intensity measured by total days in the hospital. The estimated potential cost offset was $3,085 or 19% per patient, and 99% of the cost reductions were due to heart die or hospitalization among those treated with omecamtiv mecarbil.

Of course, there are limitations to these data as its relevance will be payer specific. However, if we consider the payment reduction that hospitals face for 30-day readmission for Medicare patients, and the fact that the prevalence of heart failure is increasing, this potential reduction in hospitalizations and their associated costs underscores the types of potential economic value propositions for omecamtiv mecarbil that we will continue to assess to inform strategies.

Also during this quarter, we signed a master supply agreement for drug supply, initiated several major digital system programs, including enterprise resource planning and serialization and hired key supply chain leadership roles. We also completed a risk assessment of our end-to-end supply chain and advanced approach Appropriate Mitigation Actions.

As we have said, our growing cardiovascular commercial infrastructure supportive of the launch of omecamtiv mecarbil will be leveraged for the future potential commercialization of aficamten, with increased awareness in the market of HCM and the clinical utility of cardiac myosin inhibitors, we are confident in the opportunity we have for the future potential launch of our next in class therapy. With key properties that may impact ease of titration, reversibility and the ability to reach target concentrate current target concentrations rapidly, we look forward to leveraging our commercial organization and synergies within the treatment community.

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Stuart to provide an update on reldesemtiv.

[Stuart Kupfer, SVP and Chief Medical Officer]

Thanks, Andrew. In the first quarter, we continued enrolling patients in COURAGE-ALS, the Phase 3 clinical trial of reldesemtiv in ALS. Enrollment has been progressing well with over 70 centers activated in the US, Canada, Australia and Europe and more than 150 patients enrolled.

[Indiscernible] and essential to our mission is the conduct of rigorous and disciplined clinical research. We are pleased to have enrolled the most ALS patients into recent clinical trials than any company even before COURAGE-ALS, which is planned to enroll 555 patients. The primary endpoint of the trial is a change from baseline to 24 weeks, and ALS-FRs, and endpoint being clinically relevant and both FDA and EMA guidances to evaluate a treatment effect on function of daily activities in ALS.

The main secondary endpoint is a combined assessment of function and survival, which is a joint rank test of ALS-FRSR total score, tied to onset of respiratory insufficiency, and survival time, up to 24 weeks.

Other secondary endpoints include change from baseline to 24 weeks for vital capacity, the patient reported outcome questionnaire all set 40 and bilateral handgrip strength. Reflective of our focus on patient centricity, we designed COURAGE-ALS with important input from patients and caregivers to optimize the patient experience and reduce the burden, including many remote visits.

Additionally, to ensure patients can continue therapy with background medicines, patients who are currently taking stable doses of Riluzole and or Edaravone are permitted to enroll, and the randomization is stratified accordingly. We also plan to provide continued access throughout to reldesemtiv to patients who complete COURAGE-ALS and an open label extension trial.

Furthermore, patients in COURAGE-ALS as well as patients who participated in our prior ALS trial will have the opportunity to enroll in a managed access program developed with the objective to ensure safe, ethical and equitable access to reldesemtiv. In face-to-face meetings with investigators and patient advocates, we have received enthusiastic support for the patient friendly protocol in COURAGE-ALS was built on the solid foundation of our large and robust Phase 2 trial FORTITUDE-ALS.

Later this year, we expect the data monitoring committee to conduct the first interim analysis in the COURAGE-ALS trial, which will assess for futility and is triggered 12 weeks after approximately one third of the planned number of patients is randomized.

A second interim analysis will also assess for futility. And there will be an option for a six increase in total enrollment if necessary to augment statistical power of the trial. ALS is a devastating disease, and no one knows that better than patients and their caregivers. They are desperate for new options and therapies. It is our mission to bring forward a new therapeutic option through high integrity research and diligent investigation.

And with that, I'll turn it over to Robert Wong.

[Robert Wong, VP and CAO]

Thanks, Stuart. We ended the first quarter with approximately $686 million in cash and investments. Our revenues in Q1 2022 came from Astellas to co-fund COURAGE-ALS. Our first quarter 2022 R&D expenses increased to $45.9 million from $31.6 million in the first quarter of 2021, primarily due to increases in spending on our cardiac myosin inhibitor program, our new headquarter facility and our skeletal muscle program. More than 55% of our R&D expenses were attributable to our cardiovascular program. As expected, given activity for the cardiac myosin inhibitor program and the remainder of our expenses were attributable to our skeletal and early research activities.

Our first quarter 2022 G&A expenses were $33.1 million up from $15.6 million in Q1, 2021 due to higher commercial readiness spending, and higher personnel related costs, including stock based compensation.

And now Ching will review our financial outlook and corporate development strategies.

[Ching Jaw, SVP and CFO]

Thanks, Robert. Our end of the quarter cash balance of approximately $686 million is inclusive of the $200 million in payments we received from Ji Xing and Royalty Pharma from the transactions announced in December last year and January of this year, respectively. Our balance sheet could be further bolstered by our deal with Royalty Pharma, which affords us access to long-term capital of up to an additional $300 million subject to certain conditions, primarily to support the potential commercialization of omecamtiv mecarbil and further development of aficamten.

Our approach to building a commercial infrastructure will remain prudent with spending time to key derisking milestone. Given our plans to only hire our sales force after potential NDA approval of omecamtiv mecarbil, we expect a slower ramp up in commercial spending in 2022. If only omecamtiv mecarbil receives approval in late 2022, we expect a more significant post approval related increases in spending in 2023.

Our corporate development strategy remain focused to partnering and longer term strategies of sensibly building our organization. During the quarter, we continue business development interactions focused to potential partnerships in Asia and Europe. First, we are seeking a potential partner to facilitate the launch of omecamtiv mecarbil in Europe as we focus our own U.S. launch, having a partner to commercialize omecamtiv mecarbil in Europe could afford an on ramp for us to build our own capabilities in Europe in order to support the future commercialization of aficamten ourselves.

In Japan, we are looking to partner up both omecamtiv mecarbil and aficamten together with a partner of commercializing both potential medicines, similar to how we partners both with Ji Xing and in China. We have a history of strong deal making and look forward to continuing these interactions with potential partners with the objective to close one or more deals this year.

And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Robert Blum

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[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you, Ching. So as you heard we began 2022 with important progress across our late stage pipeline, as well as impressive growth across our organization to support the potential approval of omecamtiv mecarbil later this year. We recently He surpassed 300 employees. And I'm pleased with the caliber of talent and the expertise we're building across the organization. Candidates are excited to join our team given our leadership in muscle biology and the promise of our potential medicines.

I want to take this opportunity to thank our employees for all that they're doing to build a next grade biopharmaceutical company. We recently conducted a comprehensive employee survey and had 98% employee engagement, underscoring our highly committed employees who care deeply about doing impactful work on behalf of patients.

During the quarter, we also continued intensive work towards our goal of advancing earlier stage drug candidates, including CK-136, our cardiac troponin activator, as well as other muscle directed compounds into IND enabling studies. Our cardiovascular pipeline continues to expand with novel mechanism drug candidates leveraging over two decades of our pioneering leadership in muscle biology and pharmacology, and more to come on those programs soon.

At the leadership level, we recently announced changes to our board of directors, Dr. Pat Gage who served as our Chairman of the board since 2010, retired from the board. This was a planned transition announced over a year ago. His retirement was a personal decision, and he departs with our utmost respect and admiration. We thank him for his many years of service to our board.

Upon Pat’s retirement, Dr. John Henderson was named the new chairman of the board. John has served as a member of our board since 2009. And we're confident he will lead with discipline and a strong vision for the company in his new position as Chairman.

Additionally, we appointed Dr. Bob Harrington to our board. Bob's appointment follows the resignation of Rob Califf, from our board, which was prompted by his being named FDA Commissioner. Like Rob, Bob is a cardiologist. Bob is also Chair of Medicine at Stanford, and with a distinguished academic career, bringing broad experience having overseen dozens of global cardiovascular clinical trials. We're very pleased to welcome Bob to our board.

Finally, as Ching elaborated our recent and second deal with Royalty Pharma not only extends but also expands our partnership, and provides ample runway to execute on our commercial and clinical plans in a prudent yet purposeful manner. As we continue to execute against our Vision 2025.

Our ability to monetize our pipeline in order to realize our ambitious goals remains mission critical. This newer deal is consistent with our corporate development strategies to affordably enable our transformation to a commercial stage company, while also continuing to accelerate our development plans.

Now, I'll recap our key milestones for 2022. For omecamtiv mecarbil, we expect to launch omecamtiv mecarbil in the U.S. pending potential FDA approval in Q4 2022. For aficamten, we expect to continue enrolling patients with obstructive HCM in SEQUOIA-HCM throughout 2022. We expect to continue enrolling patients with non-obstructive HCM in Cohort 4 of REDWOOD-HCM, and we expect to begin a second phase three clinical trial of aficamten in obstructive HCM in the second half of this year. And as you heard from a Fady, we expect to share data from REDWOOD-HCM OLE, the open label extension study about aficamten at the heart failure 2022 meetings later this month, May 23 2022.

For CK-136 we expect to reactivate that development program in this year. For reldesemtiv, we expect the data monitoring committee to conduct the first interim analysis from COURAGE-ALS in the second half of this year. And for our ongoing research, we expect to advance new muscle directed compounds and to conduct IND enabling studies for one to two potential drug candidates.

And operator with that we can now open up the call to questions please.

[Operator]

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Carter Gould of Barclays. Your line is open.

[Carter Gould, Barclays]

Good afternoon, guys, hey, great. Maybe good afternoon, maybe to start with for Robert and Fady. Probably an appropriate opportunity to get you guys to comment a bit on the mavacamten label and pricing and specifically, as you think about implications for differentiation, and the market opportunity? I know Robert, you never kind of explicitly guided on pricing assumptions, but it does appear directionally higher than we and much of the street had had expected. We'd love to get your thoughts on those topics.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Sure. So I'll start and maybe turn to Fady. And also we should ask Andrew to comment, especially as your question pertain to pricing.

Firstly, we want to congratulate BMS, and all the colleagues, at MyoKardia for this approval, but also the HCM patients, the clinical investigators, the advocacy groups and everyone else that participated. And that includes Cytokinetics scientists who conceived of the therapeutic hypothesis for cardiac myosin inhibition, and who participated in the discovery of mavacamten.

This is a meaningful milestone for the fact that it's the first drug approved with an indication of obstructive HCM. And the data from EXPLORE, are surely compelling. With that said, as others have commented, the label is now in the public domain. And there are things about that label that we think make sense. And things about that label that enable a next in class opportunity to potentially demonstrate differences. That's why we're doing SEQUOIA-HCM. And we hope SEQUOIA-HCM will elaborate on what could be next in class properties purposely engineered into aficamten long ago.

You asked about pricing. And yes, I think the pricing did come in higher than was consensus. And we were within that consensus, expecting price to be different. But with that said, I think pricing is now coming in as is more comparable to surgical interventions. When you consider the number of echoes that need to be performed both to get to a steady state target dose, and also a maintenance program for mavacamten, the costs are even an excess.

And we would expect BMS knows what they're doing. They have done their payer research, they've done their work around the pharmacoeconomics. And despite what ICER came in with, I expect a BMS understands where the market clearing price will be. And at the same time, I expect from the standpoint of patient assistance and contracting, there's going to be programs that will be elaborating on how that could still result in lesser net costs to patients, and also as would be assisting in reimbursement.

So I think this is all still to be playing out in connection with what I'm sure it will be sensible commercial launch plans that BMS is already implementing. So maybe with that, I'll ask Fady or Andrew if there's anything further, they want to elaborate?

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

Well, maybe I'll just expand a little bit on aficamten and how we have developed it and what we think it may provide in terms of convenience for patients and safety and so forth. You can sort of do your own comparison, also say. With aficamten, the way SEQUOIA is designed, dose escalation should be complete within six to eight weeks. We don't anticipate those interruptions if yes, or less than 50, as long as they're greater than 40, but merely dose down titration. And so hopefully, those data from SEQUOIA as well as from the ongoing open label extension would support a simple escalation scheme that's completed within six to eight weeks.

Aficamten was engineered to avoid drug-drug interactions, and to date, we haven't uncovered any significant drug-drug interactions with aficamten. We've shown the reversibility of effect and data that we've presented from REDWOOD, which I think enable its type tradability, and also, you know provide a means to safely escalate or deescalate dose.

So those are the things I would highlight, you know that and I think as well as the conduct of SEQUOIA, we're studying it in both mono therapy with other drugs like beta blockers, calcium channel blockers dual therapy with those drugs or with disopyramide and beta blockers as background therapy. So I think we have a fairly good understanding of how it performs in those various different conditions.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Andrew, anything you want to add?

[Andrew Callos, EVP and Chief Commercial Officer]

This is maybe very quickly on pricing, I won't say much about obviously BMS’s strategy, more than as Robert stated, maybe came in slightly higher than we were expecting. It'll be interesting. And we'll obviously look how the market reacts meaning payers. If there's more controls, they would put in place prior -- things like prior off the label, or step that is through beta blockers or calcium channel blockers.

So those types of things we'll see. It did come in flat pricing, meaning every dose is the same price, which is as we expected. And there could be, you know further costs in terms of support programs, and, and room to negotiate. So I think these are all the factors that likely went into it. But we have some time we'll continue to evaluate the market and see how we net out from a labelling point of view as we decide our pricing in the future.

[Carter Gould, Barclays]

Thank you.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you, Carter.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Butler with JMP. Your line is open.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Hi, I'm Troy in for Jason, thanks for taking the questions. The first one of couple clarification questions. Confused by Fady’s comments about the second obstructive HCM Phase 3 is going to start the second half. He said if it's not going head to head against mavacamten but against a drug with a novel mechanism. Can you just clarify that it? Presumably it's an approved ball drug? Is that correct?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

That's not exactly what he said. But maybe he can elaborate.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

Okay. Yeah. And what I said it would be a standard of care therapy. So I didn't elaborate on the design or of the second trial. I just said that it wouldn't be against mavacamten. And it could be against standard of care or other aspects of the disease.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Got it. That make within the process -- is this is finalizing the trial design. Is that all this gating just starting that trial now?

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

I wish starting trials were that easy. But no, no, once we finalized the trial design, the other operational things such as IRB submissions, and regulatory submissions and so forth. And we probably will also ultimately have an interaction regulatory interaction as well. So there are a few things ahead of beginning enrollment. But we've got all those under control.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Okay, great, and on COURAGE-ALS, you mentioned increasing the enrollment size. Can you do that at both of the interims? And then I guess in the event of stunningly good data, could the trial be stopped early for s efficacy? Thanks.

[Stuart Kupfer, SVP and Chief Medical Officer]

Hi. This is Stuart Kupfer. Thanks for the question. So the first interim analysis is for futility only. There's not an option for upsizing the trial. But that is an option for the second interim analysis.

In terms of stopping for efficacy, the second run outs essentially has quite a broader range includes futility and potentially stopping for superiority. But yeah, that's a very high bar. So that's not something we're necessarily counting on.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Okay, thank you.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Pantginis of H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open.

[Joe Pantginis, H.C. Wainwright]

Hey there. Good afternoon, everybody. So I also wanted to stick with COURAGE. So very encouraging the enrollment that you're seeing but also a bit disquieting, because of the underlying indication that the demand remains high. So I just wanted to focus on the interims as well and maybe overall. Are you disclosing or can you remind us what the alphas spend is for each of the interim analyses and overall, what the hurdle is?

[Stuart Kupfer, SVP and Chief Medical Officer]

Right, we haven't really If disclosed those details. What I think we can say is that for this first interim analysis for futility, it's not a really a high bar to continue the trial. So we're confident that we'll be proceeding past that interim analysis.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

And what we've learned is that the reldesemtiv treatment arm would have to do worse than the standard of care for us to meet the futility threshold for the first interim. And that's, again, as Stuart points out, that's a low bar for what we already know.

The second interim does provide for early stopping for futility or otherwise allows us to increase the size if we wanted to amplify on a signal observed, albeit that would be blinded to us. And that would be determined by the data monitoring committee. So we have not disclosed to your question any of the office spend?

[Stuart Kupfer, SVP and Chief Medical Officer]

Nope, that's just to be clear for futility. There never is alpha spent. So there's no alpha spend on any of the futility analysis solely with regards to efficacy if you decide to include that.

[Joe Pantginis, H.C. Wainwright]

Got it. Got it. Thank you for the clarification. And then just on omecamtiv, the quicker part of the question is, and I know, Robert, you said it's pretty much administrative back and forth with the FDA right now. Do you consider any of the back and forth rate limiting at this moment? And then secondly, with regard to omecamtiv, I wanted to focus on just the METEORIC data, any learnings that you would point to that allow for the potential of, say, tweaking of the population or the protocol? Or is that potential path closed at this point?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

I'll take the first one. And maybe ask Fady to speak to the second one. Regarding your question about the back and forth the interactions with FDA. Now, I don't consider any of them to be rate limiting or to affect the timeline for review and approval. These are interactions that I believe are customary for an application of the sort that we submitted. And therefore, I think we remain on the same timeline.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

And the same question with regards to METEORIC. I don't think that we haven't really identified a subgroup within the METEORIC population, where we could confidently say that there is a large treatment effect that would warrant redoing the trial per se. That said, within METEORIC, we did enroll very sick patients. They were really kind of the opposite of what we've enrolled in GALACTIC. And so one could ask if you were able to conduct the trial and much sicker patient population, might you see an improvement in exercise capacity?

And I think it's still an open question, but, but I think it's unlikely we'll pursue it. A lot of operational challenges or something like that.

[Joe Pantginis, H.C. Wainwright]

Of course. Thanks for the added color, guys.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

Thanks, Joe.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Akash Tewari with Jefferies. Your line is open.

[Unidentified Analyst]

This is Amy on for Akash. Thanks so much for taking our question. Just a couple. So the first one if we look at Mavis [ph] label, it seems like the benefit from Mavis is smaller inpatients on background beta blocker compared to those who weren't? Why do you think we're seeing this type of phenomenon?

Can it be that patients on beta blockers at baseline may have lower LVF to begin with, which could potentially limit Mavis ability to up-dose. And where do you think assay could potentially differentiate? And also what are the implications for physicians when it comes to concomitant use, given this phenomenon?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Questions, these are some of the observations that came out when these data were presented and published. Maybe I'll ask Fady if he wants to comment on that.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

I mean, it generally comment on the challenge of beta blockers and trials of exercise performance. METEORIC also had almost 90% of the patients are on beta blockers. And they have two different effects, right. They limit the amount that you can increase your heart rate, which is important to increase in cardiac output and they also act on skeletal muscle and decrease its ability to exercise as well.

And so, in the context of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, mavacamten demonstrated improvements in exercise capacity patients with beta blockers albeit the effects were attenuated not surprisingly, because of the combination of those two therapies.

I think the real question to ask is, is in the context of using a cardiac myosin inhibitors? Is a beta blocker therapy really needed in HCM? And ultimately, is that something that physicians need to institute in their patients? And might they maximize their treatment benefit and their quality of life eventually by substituting a myosin inhibitor for a beta blocker? So those are important research questions as you can imagine. And I think it will unfold answers will unfold as time goes on.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Great, that's super helpful. And then another one mava seem to show greater benefit in NYHA class 3 patients and EXPLORE. Do you think after how do you think aficamten can compare relatively to mava for your patients?

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

Again, I hate, we're not doing comparative trial. And so it's going to be very hard to compare. exact numbers from one study the other given the populations will be somewhat different. And generally that I think, sicker patients generally will achieve greater benefits there they have a greater symptomatic burden, greater exercise burden, there's more room if you will, for them to improve. And so, it's not surprising if you will, that the more severely affected patients have a greater treatment effect.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Okay got it.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

It's for aficamten.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Salim Syed of Mizuho. Your line is open.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Hello, Salim.

[Salim Syed, Mizuho Securities]

Hey, Robert. Thanks for the question, guys. Just a couple from me, the first on mavacamten. So, Robert, I'd love to know now that we have a price tag in the marketplace for mavacamten. And if I'm just running some basic math here, when I look at consensus peak, mavacamten currently has peaked around $3.5 billion. And mavacamten the best I can tell it's closer to around $1.5 billion. So that's about $5 billion. And those are worldwide numbers. But now that we have priced in the market, just using that 90k price tag and the number you have in your slides for 190k obstructive patients symptomatic just in the U.S.

Obviously, you get two tabs here that are much larger, even if you assume, you know, a 40% gross to net and 80% compliance. So just curious here, how are you thinking about TAM now that there's a price in the marketplace? Of how TAM can mature here for this particular disease?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

If you're asking us if there appear to be discrepancies between those underlying assumptions and the consensus estimates, I think there are. And I think you've pointed that out already in some of your notes. I think that now that we have a price as set by BMS, it's an opportunity for analysts and investors both but also for us at Cytokinetics to consider how we think about this market opportunity. And we will, but in line with data. And we're still enrolling patients in SEQUOIA. So it's really premature for me to be to elaborating on what I mean by that. In time, I think this will all play out. And, we continue to believe that a next in class opportunity can become the category leader.

[Salim Syed, Mizuho Securities]

Do you think there's potential here for this to be a $10 billion plus market worldwide?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

I'm not going to speak to that. I do think that where this market ultimately will go will benefit from what will be category expansion, patients who are not currently diagnosed and treated getting diagnosed and treated. And ultimately, this mechanism of action should hopefully translate beyond obstructive HCM to non-obstructive disease, including segments of patients with hav-path [ph]. So ultimately, I think there's opportunity very meaningful opportunity for this to be a big business.

[Salim Syed, Mizuho Securities]

Okay. And then just a quick one, just on the rams and how you guys are thinking about base case here for Cytokinetics and aficamten. Just I know that it's early, you don't have Phase 3 data yet. But based on what you've seen from the profile for aficamten in REDWOOD in the shorter PK/PD, the shorter half-life. There'll be a mechanistic rationale as to why you would see less toxic ejection fraction levels. What is your base case? Do you guys think that you can, is there a possibility here that you don't have a rent?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Yes. Here again, I'm not going to make a comparative statement. But, as we think about aficamten, and an independent drug development program, and for the safety data we've already seen in REDWOOD-HCM, one wouldn't necessarily expect rems. Albeit there are things that we have to demonstrate in SEQUOIA-HCMin order to be able to ensure that.

So we're approaching SEQUOIA-HCM with the goal of elaborating on what could be the next in class properties as could be affording a safety profile that would be potentially not requiring the rems.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

Salim, I think it's also important to remember, by the time we hopefully come to market, this is no longer going to be a new drug class and physicians will be more familiar with the use of a cardiac myosin inhibitor. Obviously, there would be differences between different drugs and in the need to educate on those differences. But, it's not a first in class entry. And so that may also temporarily the need for rent.

[Salim Syed, Mizuho Securities]

Super helpful. Thanks so much, guys.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you, Salim.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Madhu Kumar of Goldman Sachs, your line is open.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Hello. This is Omar [ph] on for Madhu. So we have a couple questions. First, what kind of data should we expect from the REDWOOD-OLE at Heart Failure 2022 in May. The standard endpoints and average time to follow up? And then remind us how the echo monitoring works in both REDWOOD-OLE and SEQUOIA-HCM? And how they're similar or different from prior and ongoing trials of under myosin and progress in oHCM. Then I have a second question after that.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Sure. So obviously, we don't want to do anything to jeopardize the presentation of the data by elaborating on what you should expect. But it is a study that now enables a longer durability effect to be observed. And our goal is to be able to demonstrate that with aficamten. One can achieve effects that are continuing. So you'll see data pertaining to the use of aficamten as is Fady elaborated out to six months. And I’ll turn to Fady now if there's anything more he wants to add.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

I mean, I think you can expect the kinds of things we presented in the past which have to do with gradients and EF and safety NYHA class, things like that. So I think you may will see that as a first presentation, we'll probably focus on the things that the same themes that we've elaborated on in prior presentations.

Your second part was, what to do with echo monitoring. And I'll say that the general scheme in all our trials is the same. Patients come in at least every two-week basis for an echo and potential to be escalated to the next dose. In the OLE right now, we're restricted to doses of 5-10-15 milligrams. In SEQUOIA, the top dose is 20 milligrams, so 5-10-15 and 20. And OLE is only restricted because of the need to amend the protocol to allow for the higher dose, which we're in the process of doing. So those are the -- so the dosing is quite similar amongst all the trials that we're doing.

[Stuart Kupfer, SVP and Chief Medical Officer]

I'll add an additional data set where we'll be capturing in OLE as well as SEQUOIA is a cardiac MR MRIdata, evaluating cardiac structure, function and fibrosis. So that will give us an opportunity to evaluate for reverse remodeling.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

But it will be premature to see that at this upcoming congress.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Great. And then second question, what kind of patient subsets in HCM will be most amenable to myosin inhibitor given the history of the class in [Indiscernible]

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

What types of patients would be most amenable to benefiting from a myosin inhibitor?

[Unidentified Analyst]

nHCM.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

In nHCM? Is that -- in nHCM? Okay. I was trying to parse it out. Well, I think the -- there are a few things that define nHCM patients. One, obviously, is the thickness of their ventricle. Second is the -- there are biomarkers that indicate a ventral under stress, like anti-proBNP or troponin. And the third is a functional and symptomatic domain, how severe or their symptoms or how imperative their exercise capacity.

I think just an echo that shows that you have a thickened ventricle and maybe a family history of HCM isn't necessarily adequate for, at least at this point in time, for thinking about initiating therapy with the myosin inhibitor or any therapy at this point. Most of the therapies are being studied in symptomatic or functionally limited patients. And so that's what I would think of as a population that could be studied in future trials.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Great. Thanks for answering the questions.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Yasmeen Rahimi of Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

[Unidentified Analyst]

This is Rob on for Yasmeen. A couple of questions for us. First one is we see that the mavacamten label has shown that the drug might be related to embryonic and fetal toxicity. So do we know like if this is a myosin inhibitor class effect and like what work has been done with mavacamten to roll out this tox?

And the second question is regarding the second Phase 3 trial for aficamten, although it's not a head-to-head mavacamten. Are you saying like it would be more oriented towards more severe patients? Like who are subject to therapy and the trial would be somewhat similar to the trial? Thank you for taking our questions.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Yes. So I'd rather talk about aficamten and mavacamten. So with regard to aficamten, if your question is, might we anticipate any of the repro tox or -- I'll extend that because we've been asked any of the DDIs, maybe I'll ask Fady to elaborate on what we know and what we still need to learn.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

Sure. I mean we've conducted embryo-fetal toxicity studies with aficamten. They don't indicate any direct toxicity of aficamten on fetal development. Any drug that has the potential to make the mother, the maternal host sick as a cardiac myosin inhibitor can at higher doses can certainly cause fetal toxicity as a secondary effect, but we don't see any direct fetal toxicity.

And then with regards to your second question, with respect to the profile of patients in SEQUOIA, we have biased the entry criteria to hopefully enable us to enroll a patient population that is a bit more Class 3, that's a bit more functional---

[Diane Weiser, SVP of Corporate Communications and IR]

That's second trial -- second Phase 3.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

The second Phase III, more severe. Okay. Well, we're not really commenting on that particular design. So I can't really answer your question, but I could certainly have done that first one. So I'll leave it at that.

[Unidentified Analyst]

Thanks. Got it. Thank you.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Dane Leone of Raymond James. Your line is open.

[Sean McCutcheon, Raymond James]

Hi, guys thanks for the question. This is Sean on for Dane. Just since we're at the end of the call here, just a couple of quick ones from us. One, can you comment on the enrollment rate for SEQUOIA to date and how you would expect that to be impacted by mavacamten hitting the market?

And then second, just a clarification on your OpEx for the year. You previously guided to upwards of $380 million, but it seems like maybe it could be coming down. Just a clarification there.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Sure. So with regard to the first, SEQUOIA-HCM just opened. We are in the process of convening investigator meetings. The U.S. meeting recently having been held and others to follow. It's premature to comment yet on enrollment. It's probably better to ask in how we do it on activations and initiations. And all that looks good, according to plan. I don't know if Fady, you or Stuart, want to add anything to that.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

Yeah. I think it's too early to tell to -- well, it's too early to give you a sense of how fast it's enrolling since enrollment is early. I just will say that investigator enthusiasm has been very high. And obviously, people are excited also about the availability of mavacamten, but the enrollment in SEQUOIA presents a unique opportunity for the patient to advance the field and ultimately have access to aficamten open-label extension. And that's going to be attractive to any patients I think as well. So we should also emphasize the trial will enroll in regions outside of the U.S. where there is no mavacamten availability. And ultimately, I think it will enroll quite well.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

When we indicated we thought that this study could enroll within about a year, it was with full expectation that mavacamten was going to get approved in the U.S. and the approval doesn't change our view towards that enrollment rate.

Your next question was about OpEx. I'll turn to Ching maybe to answer that one, please.

[Ching Jaw, SVP and CFO]

Sure. So you're right. We guided that for the year, we'll -- we expect the cash burn to be in the range of $365 million to $385 million. Of course, the first quarter numbers were lower than if you were to just take that number and divide by 4, but that's not really how we plan for OpEx for this year.

As we elaborated earlier, we're building our commercial organization and capability based on us achieving certain milestones throughout the year. And so naturally, as certain people get hired throughout the year, they're going to carry more cost towards the second half of the year compared to first half of the year. So do we expect the quarterly spend to ramp up from the first quarter numbers?

[Sean McCutcheon, Raymond James]

Okay. Great. Thank you.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Justin Kim of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Hello, Justin.

[Justin Kim, Oppenheimer]

Good afternoon. Hi, Robert. Thank you for taking questions. Maybe just to elaborate a little bit further on some of the questions already asked. But with the recent approval and labeling of mava seeming to suggest the importance of continued development and additional population, just curious whether it's reasonable and maybe even prudent to expect further trials even beyond a second study in symptomatic HCM, just given the fact that there are sort of a number of different populations that could see benefit.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Yeah. So Justin, you were at the American College of Cardiology meetings. I saw you there. And as you saw, there's quite a lot of enthusiasm for this new mechanism and as will likely make a meaningful difference in these patients and how they're treated. And it's not just as would be explainable by EXPLORER and SEQUOIA.

And you're right, there should be other studies even going beyond what we're contemplating with the second Phase 3 study, whether those are pre approval or post approval, it's more likely their post approval, we hope, anyway, in light of our time lines. But we already are thinking about other studies we might -- should be doing in connection with aficamten beyond the two Phase 3 studies we're talking about.

[Justin Kim, Oppenheimer]

Okay. Great. Great. And maybe just one more on the sort of line of the REMS program requiring echocardiography every 12 weeks. Just curious any or maybe more direct thoughts in terms of how the team thinks that may change broadly for myosin inhibitors or maybe specifically to secure design for afi and how that might change in the long run?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

You understand anything we might say right now is speculation for the fact that we're still doing a Phase 3 study. But we haven't been requiring of the number of echoes as is currently contemplated by the mavacamten label. While it does take a couple of echoes to get to a starting dose for aficamten, that can happen within a few weeks as opposed to a much longer period of time. And therefore, we haven't had any of the dose discontinuations or interruptions.

Our expectation is if we continue to develop aficamten the way we have, one shouldn't require the kind of frequent echo monitoring, but that's still to be determined, and we haven't done the trial yet, and we have to demonstrate that with clinical evidence.

Fady, I don't know if there's anything more you want to add.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

I just think -- again, it's going to be looking at the need for continued monitoring in the context of long-term treatment with aficamten and the open-label extension as well as what emerges from SEQUOIA. So as Robert said, data will inform eventually what the label will look like.

[Justin Kim, Oppenheimer]

Great. Thanks so much.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Charles Duncan of Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

[Pete Stavropoulos, Cantor Fitzgerald]

Hi, this is --

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Good afternoon.

[Pete Stavropoulos, Cantor Fitzgerald]

Good afternoon, Robert, this is Pete Stavropoulos on for Charles. Congrats on all the progress this past quarter. So one of our questions is what are the plans or expectations for an OMEADCoM? And what would you expect the key points of debate to be, especially with regards to the burden of disease in patients with ejection fraction, say, less than 30%?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

So as we've communicated previously, we're not anticipating an ADCOM for omecamtiv in connection with the NDA as was submitted and now on file. And that's as was communicated to us by FDA and as reflected in our public announcement. That's not to say it won't happen. And in fact, it possibly could, but we don't expect it, and we have no reason to assume it will occur based on anything that's transpired since then.

So we continue to believe that this application will be reviewed absent an ADCOM, and we're focused on the PDUFA date later this year. And your second question?

[Pete Stavropoulos, Cantor Fitzgerald]

And second question is with the PDUFA date coming up in November, what do you think is required to be in the product label from when we do sort of become part of the treatment guideline?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

So that's a very good question. The treatment guidelines are providing for both foundational treatments, but others that could be add-on therapy. And maybe I'll ask Fady and Stuart to speak about what came out in the guidelines and what that could foretell where omecamtiv mecarbil to be included in guidelines.

[Fady Malik, EVP of R&D]

Yeah. I think with the guidelines, certainly, specified foundational therapy with four classes of medication, beta blockers, a RAS inhibitor, an MRA and the GLT2 inhibitor, but not all patients can tolerate all four classes, not all patients are adequately treated. They may still have symptoms. They may still end up in the hospital. And so the guidelines also specify a number of add-on therapies or therapies that may be supplemental to those in certain scenarios.

And I think omecamtiv should be one of those. And the data that we've generated in GALACTIC and subsequently in the analyses that we've published indicate that sicker patients benefit even to a larger extent, to mavacamten. And presumably, the guidelines would reflect that.

[Pete Stavropoulos, Cantor Fitzgerald]

All right. Thank you. Thanks, Robert.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Serge Belanger of Needham & Company. Your line is open.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Hi, Serge.

[Serge Belanger, Needham & Company]

Good afternoon, Robert. Just a couple of questions regarding plans for a European partnership. I think you reiterated your willingness to partner omecamtiv and kind of hold on to aficamten rights. Just want to make sure that I got that right. And then maybe just highlight for us, timelines for European approval of aficamten and how you see that market opportunity relative to the U.S. opportunity. Thanks.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Sure. So I'll speak to this and maybe ask Andrew also to address the latter part of your question. We continue to focus to the partnering of omecamtiv mecarbil in Europe, it's in part because we're going to be plenty busy with our focused omecamtiv mecarbil in the United States and our development of aficamten. And we're sober to the reality of what it takes to be successful in Europe. And we've done under Andrew supervision exercises and planning to understand what peer group companies have done and what we think is practical from our standpoint. And you got to walk before you can run.

With that said, there is a compelling opportunity for omecamtiv mecarbil in Europe like in the United States, but it's obviously a lesser one in light of what we imagine would be some of the market access challenges and also pricing.

With that, maybe I'll turn it to you, Andrew.

[Andrew Callos, EVP and Chief Commercial Officer]

Yeah, Robert. I think, from an opportunity point of view, the prevalence in Europe is slightly higher in terms of total number, not by much. So it's similar to U.S., but obviously, price is a good bit lower. So that's really what affects the overall opportunity from a European point of view. But when you consider like the U.S. when you consider applicant and omecamtiv and the synergies across an organization, it could become more interesting from a timing point of view. So -- but I think to answer your question directly, certainly the opportunity is less, and it's really factored due to pricing.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

And we've been very clear that one of the reasons why we're so compelled to go to market with omecamtiv in the United States is what we foresee to be both the concentrated customer segments around which we can build a good business here in the U.S. and also what that affords us in the way of synergies as we intend to go to market with aficamten.

The same thing holds true in Europe, but in a different magnitude, and we have to be pragmatic about what we can do in the same timeframe. So our interest in partnering omecamtiv mecarbil is not to exclusively license it away, but rather to seek a partner around which we could build an on-ramp for a business for aficamten and where that would provide us some sharing of responsibilities for omecamtiv mecarbil. So that's the way we're approaching partnering.

[Serge Belanger, Needham & Company]

Okay. And potential European approval of omecamtiv expected in 2023? Or do we have a time line at this point?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Yeah. So we haven't spoken to that explicitly yet. It's going to obviously be a function of when we file an MAA and seek approval, and that has not yet happened. Here again, we're focusing on the U.S., but we're also pursuing those interactions with EMA and in Europe, and we'll give an update on that once we have something more concrete to speak to.

[Serge Belanger, Needham & Company]

Okay. Let me squeeze in one more. Is it too early to talk about a potential time line for readout of Cohort 4, the REDWOOD trial?

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Maybe just a bit. It's something that we could maybe talk about with the next call. Let's see how the enrollment goes. As you know, it's an open-label of cohort 30 to 40 patients, and I do expect this will enroll well. So it might be something we can talk about on the next call.

[Serge Belanger, Needham & Company]

Okay. Thanks for taking my question.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you.

[Operator]

There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to speaker, Robert Blum, for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

[Robert Blum, President and CEO]

Thank you, operator. And thanks to all the participants on our teleconference today. Thank you for your continued support and interest in Cytokinetics. Obviously, this first quarter was a very, very busy and productive one. And at the same time, we covered a lot of ground on this call, so I'll just be brief in my concluding remarks. We look forward to sharing with you the open-label extension data from REDWOOD-OLE soon and also continuing to update you on our progress, both with omecamtiv mecarbil and aficamten and as we move into the second half of the year, a first interim analysis with COURAGE-ALS. So with those as key milestones for the remainder of the year.

We thank you for your attention today. And with that, we can conclude the call, please.

[Operator]

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.