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Earnings Call Transcript
2024-Q1

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Operator

Welcome to CSN Mineração's Conference Call to present results for the first quarter of 2024. Today, we have with us the company's executive officers. We would like to inform you that this event is being recorded [Operator Instructions]

Today's event can be accessed on CSN Mineração Investor Relations website at ri.csnmineracao.com.br, where the presentation is also available. The slide presentation may be downloaded from this website, and there will be a replay service for this call.

For proceeding, we would like to clarify that some of the statements herein are mere expectations and trends that are based on current assumptions and opinions of the company's management. And future results, performance and events may differ materially from those expressed herein, which do not constitute projections. In fact, actual results, performance, events may differ materially from those expressed or implied by forward-looking statements as a result of several factors, such as: general and economic conditions in Brazil and other countries; interest rate and exchange rate levels; future rescheduling of our prepayment of debt denominated in foreign currencies; protectionist measures in the U.S., Brazil and other countries; changes in loss and regulations; and general competitive factors on a global, regional or national basis.

Now, we would like to turn the floor over to Mr. Pedro Oliva, CFO and Investor Relations Officer, who will make the presentation of the financial highlights of CSN Mineração over the period. Please, Mr. Oliva, you may proceed.

P
Pedro Barros Oliva
executive

Good morning. I'd like to thank you all for your presence. We're going to start talking about the highlights of the period this quarter. What drew most attention was the combination of record sales for the period, combined with a strong drop in the price of iron ore, resulted in an adjusted EBITDA of BRL 1.1 billion and a margin of 40.1%, despite the drop -- in iron ore drop, we had sound cash generation, reinforcing the company's resilience.

This increase in the net cash position highlights the solid capital structure with the leverage indicators remaining net debt on EBITDA, the negative 0.24x in terms of ESG, in the highlights, we have a drop of 13% in the CO2 emission volume per ton of ore produced, compared to the previous year. Renewal of the maximum stability [ certificates ] for all the company's dams, maximum level of stability and the publication of the 2023 integrated report available to all on the company's website.

On our next slide, we see production data, including purchase reached [ 915,000 ] tonnes in the first quarter of '24, with a drop of 16% considering previous quarter because of seasonality and a growth of 2% regarding the same period previous year.

What I'd like to highlight here is that there has been a great growth of our own production. We had a significant drop of purchase. As we mentioned, prioritizing unit margin with increase of our own production debt reached 28% collective increase regarding the same period last year.

Sales were relatively in line with the volume and the stock 4 million tonnes.

On the next slide, we have sales volume [ 9.145 million tonnes ], a drop of 18% expected because of seasonality. We had strong rainfall in the port with a total of over 900 millimeters of rainfall, we bring more in the port this year than previous year. Even so, we had a growth of 6% in sales regarding same period last year.

As to net revenue, the unit net revenue, we had a sales record and unit net revenue was 32% below quarter -- fourth quarter '23, reaching 61.8 tonnes because of the downward trajectory of price and the negative effect of provisional prices. Regarding price realization, we had $61.8, we had a drop of the $91.4 of the previous quarter, explained by the drop in the price of iron ore, if you look at the variation of average price, flat quarter-over-quarter, it's not so much, only $44.7 over the quarter in December.

Last year, we had a price of $136. And in March, it was $109. It was a drop of $26.8 over the quarter. This impacts both the QP basket that in the previous quarter was positive $4.6 to now it was negative $8.8, as the impact of the cargo that had exposure in the quotation periods of the future.

On the next slide, we have actually COGS variation, the drop in [ 37% ] considering previous period as a result of smaller volume and lower spending and acquisitions, and that we had a price drop verified over the period. In the first quarter, adjusted EBITDA had a drop of 58% regarding previous period, reaching BRL 1.1 billion with an EBITDA margin of 40%. This performance reflects the seasonality of the period and the lower prices realized over the quarter.

On the next slide, we have EBITDA variation compared to previous quarters. Here, we have the impact of the volume that was 11.1 million tonnes to 9.1 million, drop in 2 million tonnes. And above all, impacting the drop of price over the period. We had strong adjustment in the iron ore price and an impact on provisional prices.

On the next slide, we have the CapEx variation of the company. We had CapEx of BRL 253 million in the first quarter. Here, we have a reduction of spending with maintenance, reflects of efforts made last year to seek maximization of the use of our assets seeking excellent performance. And in the case of P15, some of the packages are still being designed for suppliers, engineering design, hence no great disbursement this quarter. Our expectation is that we should have a growth of almost exponential over the year, second semester, with CapEx of expansion, 5.2x above CapEx that we've had forecast for the first quarter.

As to net working capital, we concluded the quarter with minus BRL 536 million as a result of strong reduction in accounts receivable impacted here by a drop in volume and price over the period. This negative realized in net working capital is despite the reduction in supplies line, basically explained by the drop in volumes and also price for the purchasing of iron ore of our suppliers.

On the next slide, we have the amortization schedule of the CSN Mineração debt. And we also present the cash position with BRL 10.4 billion availability. The company continuing and reinforcing its positioning of net cash. As to free cash flow on the next slide, we had a result in line with the previous quarter, positive BRL 1 billion, by -- supported by the capital or net working capital that has been presented in previous slides here.

This quarter, strong quarter. We had decrease in resilience of company delivering sound cash generation, even in a period with great pressure in terms of results because of the drop in iron ore prices. On the last slide, we have the highlights in ESG, here I would stress the statements of revenue stability of the dams, all the dams consider stable at the highest level of the category of ANM, the publication of integrated report available to all on our website presents the development of the ESG indicators and how we're moving forward to attain the goals.

Here, I stress the advance in this front of diversity with an 88% growth in representation of women in the staff of the company, compared to the base year, which was 2019. We've also grown 30% in employment training compared to the same period last year. And in terms of health and safety, we had a drop of 33% in accident frequency rate, which account -- represents the lowest level historically in the company, a drop of 50% reduction in the number of days of absenteeism of our own employees in environmental management. Drop in 13% in the CO2 emissions per ton of iron ore compared to the first quarter 2023 and growth in volumes and also the approval we had of the Environmental Agency [indiscernible] of 98 cubic meters in water, in take of [ Lôbo d'Almada ] River, that would be enough to give you an idea of magnitude of this on to develop a new P15.

With regards to the great highlights, I would conclude the presentation that we can open for Q&A. Talking again about the growth of 28% of our ore production compared to Q1 2023 and the dividends and JCP that were announced last night to be paid out by 28th of May, BRL 1.48 billion. That accounts for 5.2% of the market cap of the company on yesterday's date.

Before we move on to Q&A, I will turn over to our Chair of the Board, Mr. Benjamin Steinbruch.

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Benjamin Steinbruch
executive

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for your participation in this earnings results call of [ CSN Mineração ]. I would like to go over our mining business. As Pedro has already mentioned, we had record production, offset by great drop in price of $25 in the quarter approximately. So this has impacted on a positive side, the better production of ours, but with a price drop. The [ hedge ] with the production will continue to be doing well. We have been showing a constant improvements in production, reducing the amount of purchased controlled cost.

Our costs are under control on all of our hands, and we have an improvement in prices expected for the second quarter. So we believe that once these conditions are maintained, we will have a recovery because of the price improvement practiced in the second quarter. Our price level is between $115, $120. We are betting on this range.

And I'd like to mention that P15 all the equipment has been hired, despite the fact that Pedro mentioned, although there has not been disbursement because of the engineering that is going on, all the project has been contracted. So now we're going to catch up and start the operations of this main project that we have, as you all are aware of.

With regards to port, we had a good port performance. I believe we are presenting this constant improvement on the port. And it's important to say that the mining business is under control with eventual changes in price variation in the market. But within this range that we have forecast, we believe now there will be a significant result improvement once conditions are maintained, the price will be quite favorable. Basically, this is what I wanted to share with you.

Let's open up for questions, and we're all available to you.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Barbara Soares from Itaú BBA.

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Barbara Soares
analyst

I have 2 questions, one that is more macro, and the other one a micro. How do you see supply and demand of steel from [ Nino's ] in April, we saw iron ore prices getting to $98 then quickly recovered with improvement in macro news. We saw some improvements in margins of steel mills, we see better sequential, it was better before the holiday. How do you see things ahead. Question more, micro, regarding purchase of the third party, you said, there was a growth of 28% in your own production. Can you give some color as to the proportion in terms of volume? How much do we have in terms of the portion of your own and the purchase of third parties and how -- if we can think about this proportion for the forthcoming quarters?

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Pedro Barros Oliva
executive

Barbara, thank you for the questions. Starting with our market vision on the side of supply. First quarter, we had a growth of transition of 7.5 million tonnes. This is explained by Brazil that grew 12 million tons, and we had a better performance. It was the case of some of our peers here, too. Australia at a high level, but compared to the same previous last year, a drop of 1.2 million tonnes and a drop in Sweden 4 million tonnes, in remains of the -- remaining part of the world it's 3 million tonnes, Ukrainian recovery and the growth of 3.6 million tonnes.

So we have an offer that has grown a bit, the production of Chinese concentrate is stronger. We had 16 million tonnes a day, compared to 480 million tonnes the same period last year, they're producing more but they have [indiscernible] that is high, they can only sustain the production at this level of price that we see now.

As to stocks of iron ore ports, they are relatively high about 147 million tonnes compared to an average of 21 million to 24, 133 million. But the stocks in the mills are low, 93.8 million tonnes compared to an average of the same period of 21 million to 24.1 million below average. So this is also explained for an effort of working capital management, considering recent history of negative margins.

But now as you've touched fortunately, are back to positive level. It's the first month that was positive since July '23 of the Chinese steel mills, last data of $3.6 per ton. The use of high furnace occurred there at a recovery. We're talking about 86% of use of those kilns and very close to where we were a year ago in 89%. The steel stock was dropped, but this is very much in line with the historical average, it's 5.1 million tonnes.

And with the traders, there's a difference of minus 2 million tonnes above compared to the average. But overall, the stock is in line with the average and the Chinese economy, which, well, there was a meeting of the Politburo that pointed to a speeding up of emission and spending resources with long-term bonds. The local government, we see as an important element to support spending in infrastructure in the Chinese economy.

And on the side of consumption, they have announced and reinforce the measure of renewing consumer goods, talking about the [ white line ], encouraging purchase of automobiles. This should be a element to offset this sector in China that has a correction downwards compared to previous industries there, exporting a lot of steel. China in 2022 to export to 67 million tonnes. Last year, it grew to 91 million tonnes.

First quarter this year, they exported 25.9 million tonnes asset growth that if you analyze 103 million tonnes, a growth of over 10% regarding last year that was quite strong. Within this context, we have this vision of prices at this level that is now $16.6. It should be $115 and $125 as the Chairman of the Board has put it.

With regards to purchase volume in the first quarter this year, we had a purchase take on the total of sales of 23%. You see a relevant drop regarding Q4, the same percentage was 30%. For the next quarter, I believe it should fluctuate within this level that is lower. That would be this new reference a bit below around 25% rather than Level 30% that we ran previous quarter. And the average last year was 34%. And -- so actually, we are running at a level that is lower. This is only possible because of this excellent operations in our own assets that result in a reduction volume that is higher.

Operator

Our next question is from Camilla [ Bader ] from Bradesco BBI.

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Unknown Analyst

My first question is related to volume. This quarter, as you've mentioned, it's been a strong quarter, growing on a strong basis. Perhaps it's a bit early to say. But should we expect production [ mark year ] to the guidance this year? If you can give more details on performance over the year, it will help.

The second question would be regarding the hedge position. Do you still have an open position? Can you comment on it, please?

P
Pedro Barros Oliva
executive

Thank you for the questions, Camilla. Regarding volumes, I think it's early to discuss the guidance, guidance is maintained. I think that top -- the search for the top of guidance is very much related to the volume of purchase that we will decide to carry out over this year. We are now working on a margin bar that is higher so that the result of purchases over the year should be better than previous year.

But with the volume, even if the volume is lower, I think this is the variable from the -- our own production standpoint, we are very confident. We will have a growth that is relevant regarding previous year. We're projecting a growth of over 2 million tons. And here, the great question will be our tactical view on volume or purchase from third parties trying to maximize absolute results, not necessarily volume.

Today, we're very comfortable in delivering the guidance of the company. That was presented to the market last year. Regarding hedge, we do have an open hedge volume, this volume over the second quarter has a total of 4.8 million tonnes at a price -- average price of $129.1.

The result of the hedge, I checked this 2 days ago, was positive BRL 384 million. And this is added to the positive result that we had in March, which is a settlement cash settlement that is only happened early April, that was positive BRL 256 million. So we are actually with a hedge position that is very relevant that should help to the company's results next quarter.

Operator

Next question is from Carlos De Alba from Morgan Stanley.

C
Carlos de Alba
analyst

So just a few questions. One is on CapEx. Pedro, I just wanted to clarify, if you can maybe give us a little bit more precise information on the level of CapEx. You said that it's going to increase exponentially going forward. But if you can give us maybe a range of how you see the second quarter and maybe the full year? And then on cash costs, good performance in the quarter. Could you maybe tell us how do you see that progressing in the coming months, in the coming quarters?

And finally, a clarification on the interest on equity that was declared or announced in December, late December. But am I correct that, that interest on equity announced in December is only being paid now in the second quarter of 2024?

P
Pedro Barros Oliva
executive

Carlos, thank you for your questions. Starting with CapEx. We believe that this year, around BRL 2 billion, half of it is sustaining and half of expansion, possibly a bit above that. And actually, this is a growth that is relevant. The second semester, we should have 5x more CapEx of the first semester, it has to do with a significant advance of the development of P15 as the Chairman of the Board mentioned.

We have moved forward quite well with the contract, and we have a cash impact as mobilizations, deliveries of equipment take place and the work advances. As to cash cost, I think this relevant drop has been a result of the smaller volume of purchase Carlos that we should keep at the lower level.

From the seasonal standpoint, second quarter, our own costs should also drop, our C1 result greater reduction of fixed costs that is expected with the entry of the dry period, and we should sustain this level below of cash cost. Obviously, subject to Platts with impact in purchases, price grows a lot, we will have an impact on our COGS and our expectation is downward in the second quarter.

As to JCP, you're correct, it's been declared last year and should be paid along with the dividends announced yesterday by the 20th of May this year.

Operator

Our next question is from Guilherme Rosito from Bank of America.

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Guilherme Rosito
analyst

I have a brief question. I just wanted to ask you to comment on the quality of this quarter as you increase the -- your own production and the mix? And how do you see this evolving over the year? Do you still see that this is a market that favors higher silica, better quality? How do you see the market?

P
Pedro Barros Oliva
executive

Guilherme, thank you for the question. As to quality, this was relatively flat, 6.3% of iron ore, aluminum a bit lower, [ 5% ] compared to 1.68% of the previous quarter. Overall, we should be very close to this figure. We see a window of low grade still existing. Actually, this applies to all. So today, we have some peers that are offering more low grade to the market.

On the negative side, this viewpoint, we have the improvement in the margins of the Chinese steel mills since we have the use of blast furnaces that is relatively low. This rationale of prioritizing unit cost is true in the current context of the Chinese economy. So we believe this window continues for some more time, and we will try to tap into this window whilst it's open. And we should have a more aggressive attitude favoring things over the second and third quarters.

G
Guilherme Rosito
analyst

Just a follow-up. How much this low-grade product favoring increases you acquiring products from third parties or having your own production, just looking ahead.

P
Pedro Barros Oliva
executive

Guilherme, this is a good question because in the spectrum of suppliers of iron ore in Minas Gerais, you have [ from ] -- produces low grade with very low content to players that have volumes of 65%, iron ore content. I'd say we have a view of seeking improvement of unit margin over this year. This quality mix will depend a bit on the negotiations with those suppliers.

So it is hard to me to position ourselves to you, how we'll end up in terms of quality over this year because of our mission, that is more tactical as to how we select our iron ore suppliers of the year. Will speak over the time to prioritize quality. I believe with the development of our own project announced, we will have a material change of quality to stop having a discount today of about $10 a bit above that in the last quarter to $12.9, though also have a premium of around $15 over the next 5 years.

So we will go over a transformational change because of the development of our own project above all P15, this year, the dynamic quality and purchase will depend very much on this tactical negotiation on a supplier by supplier basis.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no more questions. I would like to turn over to Mr. Pedro Oliva, CFO and Investor Relations Officer, for his final remarks.

P
Pedro Barros Oliva
executive

I would like to, once again, and thank you all for your attendance to our conference call. I'd like analysts -- I'd like to thank the analysts for the question. I'd like to conclude by emphasizing this improvement in operations of our assets with growth of our own production of 28%, compared to the same period, last year.

And the maintenance of our distribution policy dividends with this announcement of BRL 1.4 billion to be paid by the end of May -- by the 28th of May, accounted for 5.2% market cap. This shows that we'll move on enabling this strong dividend distribution, just as we move forward with growth projects, highlighting P15. I thank you once again and wish you all a good day.

Operator

The CSN Mineração earnings conference call is concluded. We thank you for your participation and wish you all a very good day.

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